Claus,
Contact me off line at Rdietrichson@... and send you my list.
Rick

Enzo:



It's not white but MW Gray. At the time the picture was taken the car in
question was in maintaince of way service.



Paul C. Koehler



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From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Enzo
Fortuna
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 8:38 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Please explain this: SP 40' boxcar in "white" livree ?



In search of pictures of Sp cars, I fall on the
http://www.boxcars. <http://www.boxcars.us/index.html> us/index.html
site "Boxcars & Freight Cars of North America"
Inside the SP section found this:
http://www.boxcars. <http://www.boxcars.us/SP-SZ/pages/image013.html>
us/SP-SZ/pages/image013.html
Some explanation for the unusual paint color ?
Thanks
Enzo Fortuna (Italy)

Speaking of two dome tank cars can someone help my bad memory. Some years ago I pick-up (ebay I think) a brass model by Ajin. It appears to be 8K and has some very narrow tread wheels (less than .088, maybe scale) on it. Does anyone know who's car this is? Also is it accurate?

Jon Miller
AT&SF
For me time has stopped in 1941
Digitrax, Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI user
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS

I am looking at the specifications for B&O class M-58a 50'
double door boxcar, 297000-499, 500 cars, built 1947. Section
is called "Split Specialties" and shows how B&O distributed
vendor parts to suppliers.


1. Air Brakes - New York Air Brake 100, Westinghouse 400

2. Paint - Thresher 100, Pittsburgh Plate Glass 400

3. Running boards - Morton 1 (sample car 297000), Apex 499

4. Trucks - Ride Control 100, National Malleable 100, Barber 300

5. Wheels - ARMCO 100, Carnegie Illinois 400

6. Bolsters and side frames - American Steel Foundries 100,
National Malleable 100, Buckeye 300

7. Journal Bearings - Magnus 100, National Bearing 400

8. Brake Beams - Buffalo 100, Nat'l. Malleable 100, Chicago
100, Buffalo #15 200


In addition there were two different brake regulators, two
regulator support brackets, two cylinder levers, two floating
levers, two brake diagram plates, three spring specifications,
three brake beam hangers, three truck levers, three bottom rod
guards. Many of these seemed to accompany the three different
truck designs.


This shows how hard it is to divine boxcar hardware from a
single photo. And how misleading a builders photo of a sample
car (the first one) can be. The first M-58a was the only one
with Morton running boards but it is the most circulated photo.


Source is the Barriger library in St. Louis. Documents
originally saved by Ed Hawkins.

Greetings Group:

Thought I would take some time out this morning to let you all know the progress of the HO Scale Standard Tank Car project that I have been working on. It's done. No, this is not my attempt at humor. It's for real, the tank cars are in production and will be ready for shipment mid November ( It kind of resembles Sharon, PA around here. )

The first two tank car types that will be available are the 8K gallon 6 course radial course tank car, which will have decals for Spencer Kellogg; and the other car will be the 8K gallon two compartment car( two dome) which will have decals to represent GATX 1638. There will be 3 other versions to follow after these have been released. There will be an 8K Insulated version, an 8K 5 course radial car, and a 6K gallon radial course car.

The kit features are: one piece cast frame, one piece cast running boards, two part tank with dome(s) already cast into place. Etched brass steps, Intermountain and Tichy Train Group styrene parts for brake systems ( which include both "K" and "AB" brake systems), ladders, etc. Kadee #78 couplers and decals done by Ted Culotta of Speedwitch Media ( nicely done I might add ).

Instructions are being prepared at this time. I will be in Naperville accepting orders and also showing everyone how easy these kits are to put together. I will have a few production kits on hand for people to review and play with as well. The kits will retail for $49.00 plus $7.50 shipping and handling for up to 3 kits. And since there are always more than one tank car in a train, I will offer a baker's dozen to anyone willing to purchase 12 at one time. A bakers dozen is 13.

You will not find any of this information on the web site as it is under a complete re-construction at this time.

Last but certainly not least a Big Sincere Thank You goes to Mr. Richard Hendrickson and Mr. Gene Green for supplying the technical information and documentation to make this project happen. And also Ted Culotta for creating the artwork for the decals. Thank You Gentlemen.

Thank you all for your patience and I look forward to seeing those who will be in Naperville. Don't forget about Cocoa Beach guys, there will be lots of boxes filled with tankcars and I will debut another release there as well. ( hhmmm, i wonder which one it will be, the 6K car, the insulated car, only the Shadow knows ).

For additional information you can contact me at the3dworkshop@...

see ya,
jon

--- In STMFC@..., "Gatwood, Elden J SAD "
<elden.j.gatwood@...> wrote:

Guys;



Is Dick Kuelbs still providing photos, and if not, who has his

collection?

Also, who currently administers Paul Winters' collection?



Thanks,



Elden Gatwood

Fellow members,

My phone number (for those who were looking for me) is 810 743
1003.
I don't have a phone book for heaven, so I can't help with Paul
Dunn's number. He passed away in the mid 1980's. I own about 1500
of his freight car negatives (and a couple hundred PRR diesel shots
too). I sell prints of the freight cars, so if that is your interest
contact me directly.
Richard Burg

________________________________

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On

Behalf Of

Anthony Thompson
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 7:45 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Seeking Good Phone Numbers for Burg, Bob's

Photo,

and Paul Dunn



jim_mischke wrote:> > The Winters freight car photos were mostly

taken by fellow Kansas

City resident Gene Sisk . . .

That would be GEORGE Sisk.

Harold Vollrath and Charlie Winters traded copy negatives of

their

collections to each other, but this is mostly steam locomotives,

their

mutual favorite subject.

Entirely true, but Harold has at least a few of the Winters
images. Joe Collias, who was a big help to Charlie in his last

days,

also has at least prints if not copy negatives of many of the

Winters

images, including freight cars.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
<mailto:thompson%40signaturepress.com>
Publishers of books on railroad history

In search of pictures of Sp cars, I fall on the
http://www.boxcars.us/index.html
site "Boxcars & Freight Cars of North America"
Inside the SP section found this:
http://www.boxcars.us/SP-SZ/pages/image013.html
Some explanation for the unusual paint color ?
Thanks
Enzo Fortuna (Italy)

Ben:



On behalf of Pat Bray and the SPH&TS thanks for the nice plug on our
magazine.



Paul C. Koehler



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From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of
benjaminfrank_hom
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 7:02 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Article of Interest - SP Flatcars



The Fall 2008 issue of the SP society's SP Trainline has a very
intersting article by Pat Bray on "How to Model a 1960s Era MUG
Train". As the title indicates, it's written in the context of cars in
service in the 1960s and covers some prototypes beyond the scope of
this list, but it does have write-ups on improving the appearance of
the Red Caboose Class F-70-7 flatcar, creative use of the Mantua/Tyco
50 ft flats (not to be confused with the ex-Lindberg flat in the
Mantua "Heavies" line) as stand-in models, and some really neat
scratchbuilding techniques for welded flatcars.
http://tinyurl. <http://tinyurl.com/5o5w2p> com/5o5w2p

Ben Hom

The Fall 2008 issue of the SP society's SP Trainline has a very
intersting article by Pat Bray on "How to Model a 1960s Era MUG
Train". As the title indicates, it's written in the context of cars in
service in the 1960s and covers some prototypes beyond the scope of
this list, but it does have write-ups on improving the appearance of
the Red Caboose Class F-70-7 flatcar, creative use of the Mantua/Tyco
50 ft flats (not to be confused with the ex-Lindberg flat in the
Mantua "Heavies" line) as stand-in models, and some really neat
scratchbuilding techniques for welded flatcars.
http://tinyurl.com/5o5w2p


Ben Hom

--- In STMFC@..., "Dave Nelson" <Lake_Muskoka@...> wrote:

Ted, nice to see a PM car being done. IMO they had a very interesting
looking boxcar fleet. I see I'll have to do some saving before I

can spring

for one of these models....

Dave Nelson

"Interesting" is a very kind way of putting it. Some of us might
phrase it as "frustrating combination of heights, ends and roofs" once
you get away from some of the steel boxcars...

I'm positively ecstatic to see this car come out. It's a signature car
of the PM boxcar fleet, and the only design of PM wooden boxcar to
still exist in any quantity. Examples still exist at the B&O Museum in
Baltimore, a park in Taylor, Michigan, the Steam Railroading Institute
(SRI) in Owosso, Michigan, and a couple on a stretch of neglected
track in Ludington, Michigan. The one at SRI was in pretty poor shape
when they got it, and the conventional thought is that it is beyond
reasonable repair.

I'm actually glad that it took a while to get this model out, since it
gave me a chance to stash away the money for the first ten I'll need...

-Fritz Milhaupt
Web Guy and Modeling Editor, Pere Marquette Historical Society, Inc.
http://www.pmhistsoc.org

First off a question: they aren't in the Revenue Freight cars book, but do
Atlas' 70-ton ore cars in Pere Marquette lettering (#39990A, road #CF1512;
#39991A, road #CF1523) have a prototype?

Beyond that, I've started poking through what's available in N scale to
determine what could be used as basis models for modelling PM freight
cars... here's the list I've made so far. If anyone has tips for others,
or better solutions to the ones I've listed, I'd love to hear it!

13000-13999
14000-14499 - Microtrains twin hopper: The picture on the website is
small, but looks right at a quick inspection.

16000-16099 - Red Caboose USRA flatcar: overall a good basis I think, only
would have to rearrange the stake pockets and the brake staff to make an
accurate model.

17000-17249
17250-17649 - Intermountain USRA drop-bottom gon: I think this will need a
little bit of tweaking, but the general appearance looks right. I picked
one of these kits up today, so will be attempting to build one of these
cars first.

20000-20024
20025-20049
20050-20149 - Deluxe Innovations ACF 2-Bay covered hopper: The pictures on
the website are small, but overall look right enough to use as a basis for
these PM cars

72200-72399 - Intermountain 50' AAR double-door boxcar: this would I think
be a standin at best, judging from the photos of the model (which are
here, too, almost uselessly small on the website, so it may be better than
I think, or conversely worse than I think).

80000-81999 - Atlas USRA double-sheath car: pretty much as-is, I think,
apart from detailing.

82000-83499 - Red Caboose X29 with Dreadnaught ends and Youngstown doors:
the handbrake and roof are wrong, but this is probably fixable. The
dimensions of the X29 and the 82000srs cars are pretty close (in the April
1942 ORER), and appearance-wise, it looks like this model could serve
(with modification) to represent the first PM all-steel boxcars.

83500-83649
83650-83799
83800-83999
84100-84399 - Intermountain 40' 1937 AAR boxcar. With IM's interchangeable
parts, the differences in ends and doors shouldn't be an issue, I don't
think, if they have a 4/5 W end and both 7-panel Superior and 5-7-5
Youngstown doors.

85000-85999
86000-87499 - Atlas USRA double-sheath car: for the single-door versions
the Atlas car could serve as a starting point for a kitbash. The Vulcan
and Hutchins ends would of course have to be scratchbuilt, and steel-door
versions would need the doors changed... even the door-and-a-half versions
could be done, I think, with the Atlas model as a basis. I'm planning to
do several of these over the next while (as I can get my hands on the
models!)

That's it for now, still need to look at available steel gondola models.
If there's one or two available that could serve as basis models, I think
with a bit of effort a good representation of the PM's freight car fleet
can be made in 1:160. :)

Frank Valoczy
Vancouver, BC

Frank Valoczy
Vancouver, BC

Hello Tom,

welcome to the wonderful world of Modelrailroading in Marklin-Style...

basically, Marklin and Trix are the same, just that the Marklin is the AC-Version and Trix the DC-Version (reflecting the deeply rooted separation of the german HO MR scene). If you decide to replace the underframe, it is the same work.

as for paint removal, I seriously doubt that this can be answered without destructive testing (of which you have provided a thorough base already).
I can try whether I have some success with some German products for this purpose on some leftover parts from a Trix boxcar which has been reduced to the sides in regards of useful parts (and even those require some work, since they are neither scale 10� nor 10�6", but something in between....


best regards

Bernd

firmly on the DC side of the trench

At 11:18 PM 28/10/2008, you wrote:

Ed Mines was nice enough to e-mail me privately to point out that I
was likely thinking of the ad in the November MR, and sure enough,
there it was right on my desk.

It appears they have created a new floor, underframe, details and
trucks for what was the LifeLike Canada P1K Dominion / Fowler boxcar,
then crafted new sides and doors to make the stockcar version. The pix
don't look bad, hope I can see them at Milwaukee Trainfest.

Thanks, Dennis

David Altbaum, owner of True Line Trains noted the following on another list (Thu Oct 9, 2008)


"With regards to the retooling project of the Fowler box and stock cars are concerned, these 2 projects have been put on hold until I get a clearer view of exactly what (detail & parts) was on the car. When I was given the original information for the retooling I sent it off to the factory and gave them the go ahead to tool. Then, well into the tooling (3 months later) I was advised that some of things that was on the information and already tooled was in fact not on the car and other information that had been tooled as it was on the original information was in fact not on the car.
The bottom line here is that my tens of thousands of dollars for the work already done is out the window and at this point in time there is too much changing information to continue.
I can tell you that the information I receive is from some of the best minds in our hobby and considered the brain trust. These people are bright and very trustworthy and I have a high regards and respect for them. They do the very best they can but sometimes there are projects that at the get-go the information is too sketchy but we try to plod ahead
If I decide to continue after I have recouped a substantial amount of money wasted on this project I will revisit it but for now it is on hold.
I will tell you that if and when I proceed it will be for both CN & CP but not at the same time.
Thank you very much for your input.
Yours Truly
David Altbaum"


I hope this helps clears the air as to the status of the project.

Peter Bowers



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Jason - The MTS version was built from MR plans that had the doors opening in the wrong direction! So go with Overland. - Al Westerfield

The number I gave Bob sent me via email today.

SGL

Howdy!

Spoke with Bob today before he left for [Naperville], IL; his number today was 916-322- 0395.

He will return next

week. If you need his address let me know later.

Bob McCarthy
Modeling the Mighty Central of Georgia in Scale S

--- On Tue, 10/28/08, Schuyler Larrabee <schuyler.larrabee@...

<mailto:schuyler.larrabee%40verizon.net> >

wrote:

From: Schuyler Larrabee <schuyler.larrabee@... <mailto:schuyler.larrabee%40verizon.net> >
Subject: [STMFC] Bob's Photo
To: STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, October 28, 2008, 10:07 PM

606-845-3323

SGL
La vita e breve, mangiate prima il dolce!

Jason,

Do yourself a favor and make another selection for the brass collection. All of the brass X23's are pretty bad when compared to Al Westerfield's resin offering.

Paul Lyons
Laguna Niguel, Ca

I would like to add a PRR X23 to my HO scale collection of brass
freight cars. I see there have been a few importers who have done
this car such as Overland and MTS. Any thoughts to which importer did
the better X23? I know there are resin versions out there but this is
for the brass collection. Thanks.

Jason Sanford

Howdy!
 
     Spoke with Bob today before he left for Napiere(?), IL; his number today was 916-322- 0395.  He will return next week.  If you need his address let me know later.
 
Bob McCarthy
Modeling the Mighty Central of Georgia in Scale S

Union Pacific welded underframe parts set (for Trix B-50-24/27 and
Sunshine B-50-32/33)
http://www.speedwitch.com/Models/p105.htm

[snip]

UP B-50-24/27 box car decals
http://www.speedwitch.com/Decals/d125.htm

Are the Trix and Marklin B-50-24/27 the same? I bought two of the
Marklin models with the Be Specific with large UNION PACIFIC lettering
when they first came out and would certainly use the above parts and
decals to upgrade/backdate them. Problem is, I was unable to strip the
one Marklin I tried using any paint stripper on hand. (Brake fluid,
Chameleon, Scalecoat, all with ultrasonic, alcohol without ultrasonic.)
I finally tried a light, low-angle grit blast, but that removed the
rivets as well as the paint. So now I have one. Any ideas??

Tom Madden

Hi Rick,

So could you direct us to where we might see a copy of your work on the topic?

Inquiring minds want to know...

Thanks - Claus Schlund