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Re: Carbody Window Screens

lnnrr <lnnrr@...>
 

-Bob, I can't recall who recommended it to me, but I've been
experimenting with a easily available material. Lipton teabags.
Not the regular paper, but their premium line which comes in
little mesh bags. I've used an india ink/alcohol wash to tint
it a little gray but it retains a bit of shine. OK for new
screen I guess. Haven't tried making it rusty yet.
Project isn't yet to the stage of dull coat and now I'm not sure
if I'll mask it off before risking it getting filled with dull coat.
If you try it, please let us know how you fare.
Regards,
Chuck Peck



-- In STMFC@..., chapbob@... wrote:

Does anyone have a favorite product to recommend for HO scale
window screens
as found on cabooses, camp cars, etc.?

What I'm looking for is a fine mesh, but not so fine as to totally
hide the
window behind it.

Thanks!
Bob Chapman
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Re: Box car floor boards (was running boards...painted or not?)

Tim O'Connor
 

Denny

I hesitate to make any generalizations or assumptions about
paint anymore. Without a complete specification from a builder
or owner, I think it's all guess work. Looking at some photos
of overturned cars, I've seen a few painted underbodies, but
most are so dirty you can't tell. Of course, I have seen one
or two photos showing completely unpainted floor boards too.

The neatest photo is an overturned Santa Fe box car -- most
of the floor boards are black with filth, but some are clean.
Obviously a floor repair! This would be a challenge to model
well, and then you have the problem that no one would ever
know...

Tim O'Connor

I have a feeling that the very practical answer to the unsurprising
(to me) unpainted bottom of car floor boards is something akin to
this: The underframe was finished and painted before the floor was
laid in sometime later. It would have been considered a waste of time
to either pre-paint the boards prior to laying, or to go back in and
paint them later in the midst of the under-frame labyrinth. Also, in
those days, very commonly the planks may well have already been
immersed in a clear anti-fungicide pentachorophenol or similar (very
effective and once applied invisible to the eye, but now illegal).

As to rot: Dry rot (actually, never "dry") would have been less
likely in this position if only because the planks would be naturally
self-draining, and they are out of the sun (dry rot ONLY occurs
between specific parameters of water, oxygen content, and heat in wood
species subject to this fungus infestation. If any level is
particularly high or low beyond these parameters, rot will not occur).
This is not to say that paint offers no protection whatsoever (it
does), but the protection is much less of value in certain locations
than others. If moisture is seeping from above, one can argue that the
paint would be likely to "trap" the water, while no paint at all
would let it freely drip or wick off.

For those of us who have lived in the wood boat restoration culture
for so long, dry rot and understanding of same are quite central to
putting together intelligent preservation efforts.

Denny


Re: Box car running boards...painted or not?

Denny Anspach <danspach@...>
 

I have a feeling that the very practical answer to the unsurprising (to me) unpainted bottom of car floor boards is something akin to this: The underframe was finished and painted before the floor was laid in sometime later. It would have been considered a waste of time to either pre-paint the boards prior to laying, or to go back in and paint them later in the midst of the under-frame labyrinth. Also, in those days, very commonly the planks may well have already been immersed in a clear anti-fungicide pentachorophenol or similar (very effective and once applied invisible to the eye, but now illegal).

As to rot: Dry rot (actually, never "dry") would have been less likely in this position if only because the planks would be naturally self-draining, and they are out of the sun (dry rot ONLY occurs between specific parameters of water, oxygen content, and heat in wood species subject to this fungus infestation. If any level is particularly high or low beyond these parameters, rot will not occur). This is not to say that paint offers no protection whatsoever (it does), but the protection is much less of value in certain locations than others. If moisture is seeping from above, one can argue that the paint would be likely to "trap" the water, while no paint at all would let it freely drip or wick off.

For those of us who have lived in the wood boat restoration culture for so long, dry rot and understanding of same are quite central to putting together intelligent preservation efforts.

Denny

Denny S. Anspach MD
Sacramento


Re: Reciprocal switching

Tim O'Connor
 

Greg

The UP circular shows charges ranging from $160 to $650...
And even more interesting, within Chicago the charges can
vary almost 300% between different railroads -- UP has a
hefty $650 charge with CN, and smaller charges for others.

I don't know what the average "revenue per carload" was in
the 1950's, but I estimate it was in the $250-$300 range.
I recall reading Southern Pacific 10k filings in 1995/1996
and their average revenue was around $1000/carload.

The point being that you can see these "reciprocal fees"
are pretty stiff, compared to the total bill. In fact, if
you had to pay a reciprocal fee at origin and destination,
your share of the total bill might be miniscule!

Tim O'Connor

At 12/8/2008 02:51 PM Monday, you wrote:
Tim,

Pretty good calculating in "today's dollars" considering that the current circulars say that the railroads absorb the first $300.00 for reciprocal switch charges. These are posted on all current headings for Letter Quotes.

Grag Martin


-----Original Message-----
From: Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 9:23 am
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Reciprocal switching






Larry

$35 in 1950 is equivalent to $314.53 today. That was a pretty
hefty charge for spotting a freight car.

Tim O'

At 12/8/2008 08:52 AM Monday, you wrote:
In Salina Ks on the Un Pac the charge was 35 dollars in the 40 and 50.
Thank you
Larry Jackman
ljack70117@...


Southern War Emergency Gon

Michael Aufderheide
 

All,
 
See:
 
http://steamfreightcars.com/prototype/catalog/mvcmc/mvcmcp21main.html
 
This interesting photo of a Southern gon in Jeff Koeller's Mt. Vernon catalog led me to wonder if these cars are the same as those offered by Funaro:
 
http://www.walthers.com/exec/productinfo/279-6260
 
It would be an interesting variation on the steel gons I have from Sunshine & Speedwitch.  Does anyone have a roster of the 41ft war emergency gons?
 
Regards,
 
Mike Aufderheide
 
 




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Re: IRC War Emergency Boxcars

Tim O'Connor
 

Paul, I did not know that about the NP cars. What is special
about the NP underframes?

Tim O'

At 12/8/2008 02:08 PM Monday, you wrote:
Tim,
Interestingly, the real odd version were the Northern Pacific
war emergency cars, which Sunshine did do. Abeit, with the wrong
underframe.

Paul Lyons
Laguna Niguel, Ca


Re: C&BT Santa Fe reefer question -- error in book

Tim O'Connor
 

Keith, you probably already noticed but there is an error
on page 233 of the SFRD ice reefer book -- the Rr-35 series
is listed as 7029-7058 but it should be 7029-7358. I knew
something was wrong because there's a photo of Rr-35 7346
on page 240...

Tim O'Connor

Thus a C1 is an Rr-35, 36, 39 or 40 after modernization with six foot
sliding doors and electric fans. I hope this helps.
Keith Jordan


Proto 2000 Automobile Boxcar Erie # 65039

Mark
 

Greetings.

I have one of these and while assembling looked on this site and the
internet.
Found in one photo that the car appears to have a steel roofwalk. I
have the frame done and am heading towards doing the rest.

Any suggestions?

Thanks Mark Morgan


Re: Cudahy meat reefers

Garth G. Groff <ggg9y@...>
 

Richard,

Excellent! I'm sure you are right. Some entries for similar destinations in the list use "meat products". Probably depended on who typed up the entries. Fuel dealers have the same sort of inconsistency with "pet. products" or "gas and oil".

Kind regards,


Garth G. Groff

richtownsend@... wrote:

"PHP" likely means packing house products.


Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, Oregon


Re: IRC War Emergency Boxcars

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Dec 8, 2008, at 10:13 AM, Tim O'Connor wrote:

The Wabash car sides were somewhat different than the other
owners. I assume that's why Sunshine never did them. And I
think the ATSF cars had unique doors. Did you notice if the
test shots were all identical or not?





In fact, the doors on the Santa Fe cars weren't unique; they were the
same composite doors (corrugated steel lower, wood upper) that were
applied to the Alton cars, which in 1947 went to the GM&O. Both
groups of cars were built at about the same time by GATC and were
essentially identical except for the trucks (ASF A-3 on the Santa Fe
cars, AAR with spring planks on the Alton cars).

Richard Hendrickson


Re: Reciprocal switching

Greg Martin
 

Tim,

Pretty good calculating in "today's dollars" considering that the current circulars say that the railroads absorb the first $300.00 for reciprocal switch charges. These are posted on all current headings for Letter Quotes.

Grag Martin

-----Original Message-----
From: Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 9:23 am
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Reciprocal switching






Larry

$35 in 1950 is equivalent to $314.53 today. That was a pretty
hefty charge for spotting a freight car.

Tim O'

At 12/8/2008 08:52 AM Monday, you wrote:
In Salina Ks on the Un Pac the charge was 35 dollars in the 40 and 50.
Thank you
Larry Jackman
ljack70117@...


Re: Delano color photo

Bruce Smith
 

On Dec 8, 2008, at 12:59 PM, ed_mines wrote:

Someone (Gene Deimling?) downloaded a classic Delano photo showing the
roofs of some C&NW house cars.

Look at those reefers on the right side of the photo. Doesn't that
round herald look like it's on a PFE car? The cars look yellow to me,
not orange.

What else could that reefer be?

Ed Mines
Ed,

So, you're not content with the hot air being expended over reciprocal switching eh? <VBG>.

Sure looks like a pair of dirty <GASP>, weathered orange PFE reefers to me.

BTW, here's a link so folks don't have to hunt it.
http://tinyurl.com/5uo9e5

Regards
Bruce

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Re: The SHAKE N TAKE clinic is full.

Misc Clark
 

Gee, that was easy! Wish it was that easy to get to Cocoa Beach!
Thanks, Clark

On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 1:42 PM, <tgregmrtn@...> wrote:

Clark,

All you have to do is ask, your in...

Greg Martin

-----Original Message-----
From: Misc Clark <clark.cone4@... <clark.cone4%40gmail.com>>
To: STMFC@... <STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 6:36 am
Subject: Re: [STMFC] The SHAKE N TAKE clinic is full.

Greg, how do I get added to the "Instruction Only" list?
Clark Cone

On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 7:41 PM, <tgregmrtn@... <tgregmrtn%40aol.com>>
wrote:





Guys,
The list is now complete for the online pre registration for the Shake N
Take clinic. We'll have a just few slots left for those registering at
the
door
with no Internet access. I have also added for slots for what Al Brown
suggests as "Instruction Only" which will give you access to a handout
for
the
modeling of the kit that I provide for the folks listed below. So let me
get this
out to you all and know that if you would like to add yourself under
"Instruction Only".
Also let me correct the time for the clinic: Friday January 09, 2009 at
3:30
PM in the Seahorse & Starfish Roo.

Here's the current list"

1.) Armend Premo
2.) Dr. Denny Anspach
3.) Tony Thompson
4.) Mont Switzer
5.) Schuyler Larrabee
6.) John Greedy
7.) William Bell
8.) Jeff Alley
9.) Mike Brock (if we can get him to stand still for 5 minutes)
10.) Gary Laakso
11.) Roger Hinman
13.) Richard Hendrickson
14.) Paul Lyons
15.) Bruce Smith
16.) Brian Carlson
17.) Jerry Glow
18.) John G Wheeler
19.) Dick Berry
20.) Lindsay Raley
21.) John Golden
22.) Owne Thorne
23.) Chirs Zygmont
24.) Ted Cullota
25.) Bill MCCoy
26.) Paul Bizier
27.) John Burroughs

INSTRUCTION ONLY:
1.) Al Brown
2.)
3.)
4.)
Thanks,
Greg Martin

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Re: IRC War Emergency Boxcars

Paul Lyons
 

Tim,
Interestingly, the real odd version?were the Northern Pacific war emergency cars, which Sunshine did do. Abeit, with the wrong underframe.

Paul Lyons
Laguna Niguel, Ca

-----Original Message-----
From: Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 10:13 am
Subject: [STMFC] Re: IRC War Emergency Boxcars






The Wabash car sides were somewhat different than the other
owners. I assume that's why Sunshine never did them. And I
think the ATSF cars had unique doors. Did you notice if the
test shots were all identical or not?

Tim O'Connor

At 12/8/2008 11:45 AM Monday, you wrote:
Group,

The Oklahoma City Train show proved to be a great trip since so many
manufacturers were there including Intermountain. They were publicly
showing something that should be of great interest to all of us: 40'
War Emergency single sheathed boxcar test shots. There were 3 of them
labeled underneath for NKP/Wabash, ATSF/GM&O/Alton, and CNW. They were
sitting on top of a photocopied article by Richard Hendrickson about
the ATSF cars. Since I had not gotten my eyeballs calibrated before
going, I cannot really comment on accuracy although the tooling for the
sides looked great.

Eric Mumper


Delano color photo

ed_mines
 

Someone (Gene Deimling?) downloaded a classic Delano photo showing the
roofs of some C&NW house cars.

Look at those reefers on the right side of the photo. Doesn't that
round herald look like it's on a PFE car? The cars look yellow to me,
not orange.

What else could that reefer be?

Ed Mines


Re: Reciprocal bitching

Walter M. Clark
 

--- In STMFC@..., "brianehni" <behni@...> wrote:

--- In STMFC@..., "Dennis Storzek" <destorzek@> wrote:
Well, as they say, stuff happens, and we all
realize that everyone makes mistakes (most of us, anyway).

Dennis
I thought I made a mistake once, but I was wrong. 8^)

Brian Ehni
Just Couldn't Resist, TN
I had a professor in grad school who frequently said "The only people
who don't make mistakes are those who do nothing at all." His
follow-up to that was "Progress is making new mistakes, not repeating
the same old ones."

Time stopped in November 1941
Walter M. Clark
Pullman, Washington, USA


Re: The SHAKE N TAKE clinic is full.

Greg Martin
 

Clark,

All you have to do is ask, your in...

Greg Martin

-----Original Message-----
From: Misc Clark <clark.cone4@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 6:36 am
Subject: Re: [STMFC] The SHAKE N TAKE clinic is full.






Greg, how do I get added to the "Instruction Only" list?
Clark Cone

On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 7:41 PM, <tgregmrtn@...> wrote:





Guys,
The list is now complete for the online pre registration for the Shake N
Take clinic. We'll have a just few slots left for those registering at the
door
with no Internet access. I have also added for slots for what Al Brown
suggests as "Instruction Only" which will give you access to a handout for
the
modeling of the kit that I provide for the folks listed below. So let me
get this
out to you all and know that if you would like to add yourself under
"Instruction Only".
Also let me correct the time for the clinic: Friday January 09, 2009 at
3:30
PM in the Seahorse & Starfish Roo.

Here's the current list"

1.) Armend Premo
2.) Dr. Denny Anspach
3.) Tony Thompson
4.) Mont Switzer
5.) Schuyler Larrabee
6.) John Greedy
7.) William Bell
8.) Jeff Alley
9.) Mike Brock (if we can get him to stand still for 5 minutes)
10.) Gary Laakso
11.) Roger Hinman
13.) Richard Hendrickson
14.) Paul Lyons
15.) Bruce Smith
16.) Brian Carlson
17.) Jerry Glow
18.) John G Wheeler
19.) Dick Berry
20.) Lindsay Raley
21.) John Golden
22.) Owne Thorne
23.) Chirs Zygmont
24.) Ted Cullota
25.) Bill MCCoy
26.) Paul Bizier
27.) John Burroughs

INSTRUCTION ONLY:
1.) Al Brown
2.)
3.)
4.)
Thanks,
Greg Martin

.

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Re: IRC War Emergency Boxcars

Tim O'Connor
 

The Wabash car sides were somewhat different than the other
owners. I assume that's why Sunshine never did them. And I
think the ATSF cars had unique doors. Did you notice if the
test shots were all identical or not?

Tim O'Connor

At 12/8/2008 11:45 AM Monday, you wrote:
Group,

The Oklahoma City Train show proved to be a great trip since so many
manufacturers were there including Intermountain. They were publicly
showing something that should be of great interest to all of us: 40'
War Emergency single sheathed boxcar test shots. There were 3 of them
labeled underneath for NKP/Wabash, ATSF/GM&O/Alton, and CNW. They were
sitting on top of a photocopied article by Richard Hendrickson about
the ATSF cars. Since I had not gotten my eyeballs calibrated before
going, I cannot really comment on accuracy although the tooling for the
sides looked great.

Eric Mumper


Re: Cudahy meat reefers

Richard Townsend
 

"PHP" likely means packing house products.


Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, Oregon


Re: Reciprocal bitching

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Dennis Storzek wrote:
I donno, Tony, it seems that Kurt finding and directing us to the
Union Pacific Railroad's current reciprocal switching circular is
better than spun gold… polished platinum, perhaps.
I wasn't replying to the specific site identified by Kurt, but
to the generalization he appeared to be making about attitudes
regarding the internet. And UP's CURRENT circular may or may not
reflect pre-1960 rules, as you of all people should be well aware.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
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