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CB&Q 1937 Mod. AAR
Brian J Carlson <brian@...>
I'd like to model a few of the CB&Q Modified 1937 AAR cars. Can anyone
recommend decals. I see Microscale has set 87-412 has anyone used it? Brian J Carlson P.E. Cheektowaga NY |
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Re: NH 1937 AAR boxcars
Brian J Carlson <brian@...>
Thanks Peter, I have a Richard Burg broadside of 36003 c. 1959. At first
glance, I thought the discoloration on the sill to the left of the door was just weathering. Upon close inspection, I see that is indeed a trust plate. I should have expected that location since it is the same as the PS-1's and postwar 10' IH cars. Brian J Carlson P.E. Cheektowaga NY |
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Re: Piedmont & Northern Caboose & freight cars
Bob McCarthy
Eric/Frank,
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Let me know about this publication before we go up there. Bob
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From: Eric Hiser <ehiser@...> Subject: RE: [STMFC] Re: Piedmont & Northern Caboose & freight cars To: STMFC@... Date: Friday, October 17, 2008, 12:24 AM Frank: You said, "if you want info on the P&N's freight cars, please look at not the last but the issue before last, that has part one of a P&N freight car article, covering boxcars; part two will follow in the next issue to come out, and will cover all other freight cars plus MoW - no cabooses though. Which publication was this in reference to? Thanks, Eric Hiser __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Re: NH 1937 AAR boxcars
Peter Ness
Hi Brian,
There's a photo of NH 36099 rebuilt with script herald in Sweetland & Horsley's NH Color Guide to Frt & Pass Equip. Examination of this photo and other McGinnis "New Image" scheme 36000-series cars shows the presence of a trust plate on the side sill to the lower left of the door opening. You will also need Ted's D118.1 decal for the triangular stencil to the right of the roadnumber. The triangle contained the letters "WB" (for wire brushed) or "SB" (for sandblasted) plus code numbers of prime and finish paint, also location and date where the car was painted. Unfortunately, I do not have an image or photo of a script herald refurbished car from which I can read the information...NH 36099 is the only photo of such a car in my references. Hope this helps, Peter --- In STMFC@..., "Brian J Carlson" <brian@...> wrote: cars were renumbered to the 36000-36999 series in 1955. This was not just asimple renumbering, but involved a sale to the Harris Trust Company, andlease for refurbishing to Hyman-Michaels, although the actual work wasperformed at the New Haven's own Readville Shops. If not already so modified,the cars were equipped with Apex Tri-Lok steel running boards which replacedthe original wood running boards at this time. Steel floor plates wereinstalled between bolsters as well."They come will also excellent trust plates. I assume that the cars sold andleased back would have had the original trust plates removed, and possiblynew ones attached. Does anyone know if my assumption is correct. I want tomodel one of the script herald cars in good condition so I want to model oneof the early lease back cars. just wondering if I should use the trustplates or not. |
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Multi packs Re: Re: resin versus injection molded
Brian J Carlson <brian@...>
The Broadway H2a hopper came in 6-packs, and the PRR K7a stock came in four
packs but every dealer I know sold them individual to those who only wanted one car. Each Broadway hopper was individually boxed and each stockcar was in a plastic box. Brian J Carlson P.E. Cheektowaga NY |
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Re: resin versus injection molded
mcindoefalls
--- In STMFC@..., "ed_mines" <ed_mines@...> wrote:
Ah, very good point. That did bug me about the Kato hoppers (which I never bought), and now that you mention it, didn't the Broadway N&W hoppers only come in six-packs? That's fine if you model the N&W, but if you just want to deliver *an* N&W car of coal to an online industry, you likely don't want six of them. I seem to have the problem which I mentioned . . . often in resin kits the parts don't match, not even one side to the other, let alone the roof and/or floor. That's one reason I prefer a good styrene kit. I have yet to try a one-piece body resin kit, but I look forward to doing so. Walt Lankenau |
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NH 1937 AAR boxcars
Brian J Carlson <brian@...>
From a post earlier this year. "A total 975 from this series of cars were
renumbered to the 36000-36999 series in 1955. This was not just a simple renumbering, but involved a sale to the Harris Trust Company, and lease for refurbishing to Hyman-Michaels, although the actual work was performed at the New Haven's own Readville Shops. If not already so modified, the cars were equipped with Apex Tri-Lok steel running boards which replaced the original wood running boards at this time. Steel floor plates were installed between bolsters as well." I have recently purchased Ted's excellent decals for these cars. They come will also excellent trust plates. I assume that the cars sold and leased back would have had the original trust plates removed, and possibly new ones attached. Does anyone know if my assumption is correct. I want to model one of the script herald cars in good condition so I want to model one of the early lease back cars. just wondering if I should use the trust plates or not. Brian J Carlson P.E. Cheektowaga NY |
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Re: Piedmont & Northern Caboose & freight cars
Frank Valoczy <destron@...>
Ooops. It was in the Seaboard - Coast Line Modeler. Only the current
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issue is up for download with a comment that the first four issues will be available shortly on CD. Frank Valoczy Vancouver, BC
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Re: Piedmont & Northern Caboose & freight cars
Eric Hiser <ehiser@...>
Frank:
You said, "if you want info on the P&N's freight cars, please look at not the last but the issue before last, that has part one of a P&N freight car article, covering boxcars; part two will follow in the next issue to come out, and will cover all other freight cars plus MoW - no cabooses though. Which publication was this in reference to? Thanks, Eric Hiser |
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Re: New Bulkhead HO scale 70-ton flatcar
Ed Hawkins
On Oct 15, 2008, at 12:57 PM, jim_mischke wrote:
After watching obscure ATSF and Missouri Pacific versions of popularJim, Uhh, what I don't quite understand is why there wasn't a similar vague reference to the obscure Accurail triple offset-side AAR 70-ton hopper car that was ONLY correct (albeit poorly rendered Z-sections on the ends) for 1,000 B&O W-7 cars produced in 1947. I've often wondered how that "rare" car happened to be selected when there were other superior choices. Surely the decision wasn't made by some self-interested B&O modeler. At any rate, I'm glad you have learned the process of how to get self-interest models produced. Among other good choices, could the B&O version of the AAR 50-ton hopper car (a car that was built in huge numbers) be far away? <g> Regards, Ed Hawkins |
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Re: Piedmont & Northern Caboose
Bob McCarthy
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Thanks for the lead on the site. We will go up there next week. Can you and Eric send us a list of shots you want on each freight/passenger/caboose/locomotive? Bob McCarthy
--- On Thu, 10/16/08, Frank Valoczy <destron@...> wrote:
From: Frank Valoczy <destron@...> Subject: [STMFC] Re: Piedmont & Northern Caboose To: STMFC@... Date: Thursday, October 16, 2008, 3:00 AM The Greenwood Railroad Historical Center (http://www.themuseu m-greenwood. org/train. shtml) is at 106 Main Street in Greenwood, SC. According to the website, they're open Saturdays 11 to 4 April through October, "weather permitting", $5 for adults, $2 for kids/seniors/ students. I too would be very interested in seeing photos of the P&N caboose (as well as the P&N office car that's at Greenwood museum ("Carolina") , and the interurban car #2102), especially if there could be detail photos to make a good model with! Eric, if you want info on the P&N's freight cars, please look at not the last but the issue before last, that has part one of a P&N freight car article, covering boxcars; part two will follow in the next issue to come out, and will cover all other freight cars plus MoW - no cabooses though. Regards, Frank Valoczy Vancouver, BC --- In STMFC@yahoogroups. com, Bob McCarthy <thesupplycar@ ...> wrote: startedon the research immediately. caboose of his favorite line to put on the mantle of his fire place. Hence, I ambuild the requested model, helping me with both wife and father-in-law!the SE. Behalf Of Bob McCarthyWhat else do you need.Luckily I am married to a woman who has riddden in steam engine cabs as a child. Shewill say while having dinner, "You know we need to start a communter linefrom Newberry, SC to Columbia, SC."the Senior Conductor on The Southern Cresent when he retired, with a GreatGrandfather Alonzo Lowe who was an engineer for a line that the Southern absorbed.museum. We will get everything we can for you.preferably during the early part of the 20th Century. I have checked the P&Nbook, but the photo in it is not very helpful. I know that there is a preserveddo not have a photo of any of the equipment on the webpage. Does anyone have awould be appreciated! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Re: New Athearn VGN 3 bay hopper
On Oct 16, 2008, at 3:24 PM, timboconnor@... wrote:
Tim, It is the MDC ribbed hopper, but it is still, to borrow a phrase, "trying to put lipstick on a pig". Regards Bruce Bruce F. Smith Auburn, AL http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu/index.pl/bruce_f._smith2 "Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield." __ / \ __<+--+>________________\__/___ ________________________________ |- ______/ O O \_______ -| | __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ | | / 4999 PENNSYLVANIA 4999 \ | ||__||__||__||__||__||__||__||__|| |/_____________________________\|_|________________________________| | O--O \0 0 0 0/ O--O | 0-0-0 0-0-0 |
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Re: IRC 1958 cuft hoppers
Yeah, probably all 700 or 800 actual modelers left on the planet will
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be very excited... :-) Tim O'Connor
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Re: New Athearn VGN 3 bay hopper
True, but I got the idea from the Athearn announcement that the
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model being offered is the 3-bay -ribbed- hopper, not the offset, and that car is quite similar to some prototypes e.g. C&O. I don't know if it is correct or even close for VGN. Tim O'Connor
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Re: IRC 1958 cuft hoppers
Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
Eric Mumper wrote:
As has been noted on this list before, there is nothing like picking up the phone and talking directly to the source. Intermountain claims these are 1 to 2 weeks from being in house and available on the first run.Since I talked to Frank Angstead, IM's president, just two weeks ago, one could believe that was "the source," but in reality Frank is an accountant and does not really know a great deal about prototypes or even about production details. Your news that they are so close is GOOD news. I think most modelers will be blown away by these new cars. Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@... Publishers of books on railroad history |
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Re: New Bulkhead HO scale 70-ton flatcar
Richard Hendrickson
On Oct 15, 2008, at 11:20 AM, Peter Ness wrote:
Hi Richard, At this point, I think it's a waste of time. Since they have the drawings for the B&O bulkhead, that's doubtless what they will model, and they're certainly not going to tool two different bulkheads. At least they're following the B&O prototype and not inventing something that's totally bogus. Richard Hendrickson |
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Re: New Athearn VGN 3 bay hopper
Richard Hendrickson
On Oct 16, 2008, at 9:45 AM, jim_mischke wrote:
I believe this VGN car is a tool-modified MDC three bay offset hopper. In fact, not based on any prototype. The MDC model was a generic design and totally bogus, and Athearn's "improvements" don't change that. Richard Hendrickson |
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Re: New Athearn VGN 3 bay hopper
jim_mischke <jmischke@...>
I believe this VGN car is a tool-modified MDC three bay offset hopper.
Based on a B&LE prototype. If that. I have purged all MDC offset triples from my model railroad. I do not think there is anything they can do to make it acceptable. --- In STMFC@..., "Bill McCoy" <wpmccoy@...> wrote: braced car is the best VGN 2 bay car out at this time. Also, Other thanthe Bowser and BLI N&W hoppers are there any other cars on the marketthat would work for the N&W. |
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Re: resin versus injection molded
ed_mines
--- In STMFC@..., "Gatwood, Elden J SAD "
<elden.j.gatwood@...> wrote: You are obviously not buying the right injection molded models.Elden, you're right. I'm just disappointed that the ProtoWest kits come 2 to a box. Many of the members of this list see each other face to face several times a year. That's never going to happen with me. I met 2 or 3 list memebers 25 years ago. I'm not supposed to buy any more models but sometimes I can't help myself - like Ted's Wabash dd SS box car or some undec P2K cars on sale. I have enough kits in storage to last me 3 life times. Ed |
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Re: IRC 1958 cuft hoppers
Eric Mumper <ericmumper@...>
Tony,
Thank you for the reply. I anticipate some discrepancy with regards to latches and roof details and need to organize my reference material to deal with that in the future. As has been noted on this list before, there is nothing like picking up the phone and talking directly to the source. Intermountain claims these are 1 to 2 weeks from being in house and available on the first run. Eric Mumper --- In STMFC@..., Anthony Thompson <thompson@...> wrote: new of1958 cuft covered hoppers are available and the site has pictures wantactual models - not just drawings. Has anyone seen these and can lastto ask this since first runs can have "issues".I saw a couple of complete models at the SP Society convention month. They looked excellent, with fine grab iron detail like theKadee PS-2 models. Of course that's not a measure of production.Accuracy, as Tim O'Connor pointed out a few days ago, depends on your prototype:said they HOPED they would have the first batch in by Christmas. But ifa distinct upgrade over Bowser and Kato--far better grab irons. Ihaven't yet seen a Bowser paint job that had accurate lettering, so I havea low opinion of those cars and have built Katos instead. But I thinkthe IM cars will be a serious piece of progress. |
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