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CB&Q 1937 Mod. AAR

Brian J Carlson <brian@...>
 

I'd like to model a few of the CB&Q Modified 1937 AAR cars. Can anyone
recommend decals. I see Microscale has set 87-412 has anyone used it?

Brian J Carlson P.E.
Cheektowaga NY


Re: NH 1937 AAR boxcars

Brian J Carlson <brian@...>
 

Thanks Peter, I have a Richard Burg broadside of 36003 c. 1959. At first
glance, I thought the discoloration on the sill to the left of the door was
just weathering. Upon close inspection, I see that is indeed a trust plate.
I should have expected that location since it is the same as the PS-1's and
postwar 10' IH cars.

Brian J Carlson P.E.
Cheektowaga NY


Re: Piedmont & Northern Caboose & freight cars

Bob McCarthy
 

Eric/Frank,
 
     Let me know about this publication before we go up there.
 
Bob

--- On Fri, 10/17/08, Eric Hiser <ehiser@...> wrote:

From: Eric Hiser <ehiser@...>
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Re: Piedmont & Northern Caboose & freight cars
To: STMFC@...
Date: Friday, October 17, 2008, 12:24 AM






Frank:
You said, "if you want info on the P&N's freight cars, please look
at not the last but the issue before last, that has part one of a P&N
freight
car article, covering boxcars; part two will follow in the next issue
to come out, and will cover all other freight cars plus MoW - no
cabooses though.

Which publication was this in reference to?

Thanks,
Eric Hiser















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Re: NH 1937 AAR boxcars

Peter Ness
 

Hi Brian,

There's a photo of NH 36099 rebuilt with script herald in Sweetland &
Horsley's NH Color Guide to Frt & Pass Equip. Examination of this
photo and other McGinnis "New Image" scheme 36000-series cars shows
the presence of a trust plate on the side sill to the lower left of
the door opening. You will also need Ted's D118.1 decal for the
triangular stencil to the right of the roadnumber. The triangle
contained the letters "WB" (for wire brushed) or "SB" (for
sandblasted) plus code numbers of prime and finish paint, also
location and date where the car was painted.

Unfortunately, I do not have an image or photo of a script herald
refurbished car from which I can read the information...NH 36099 is
the only photo of such a car in my references.

Hope this helps,
Peter

--- In STMFC@..., "Brian J Carlson" <brian@...> wrote:

From a post earlier this year. "A total 975 from this series of
cars were
renumbered to the 36000-36999 series in 1955. This was not just a
simple
renumbering, but involved a sale to the Harris Trust Company, and
lease for
refurbishing to Hyman-Michaels, although the actual work was
performed at
the New Haven's own Readville Shops. If not already so modified,
the cars
were equipped with Apex Tri-Lok steel running boards which replaced
the
original wood running boards at this time. Steel floor plates were
installed
between bolsters as well."

I have recently purchased Ted's excellent decals for these cars.
They come
will also excellent trust plates. I assume that the cars sold and
leased
back would have had the original trust plates removed, and possibly
new ones
attached. Does anyone know if my assumption is correct. I want to
model one
of the script herald cars in good condition so I want to model one
of the
early lease back cars. just wondering if I should use the trust
plates or
not.

Brian J Carlson P.E.
Cheektowaga NY


Multi packs Re: Re: resin versus injection molded

Brian J Carlson <brian@...>
 

The Broadway H2a hopper came in 6-packs, and the PRR K7a stock came in four
packs but every dealer I know sold them individual to those who only wanted
one car. Each Broadway hopper was individually boxed and each stockcar was
in a plastic box.

Brian J Carlson P.E.
Cheektowaga NY


Re: resin versus injection molded

mcindoefalls
 

--- In STMFC@..., "ed_mines" <ed_mines@...> wrote:

--- In STMFC@..., "mcindoefalls" <mcindoefalls@> wrote:

--- In STMFC@..., "ed_mines" <ed_mines@> wrote:

. . . I do dislike having to buy more than one
car to get a kit.
Meaning what? Trying to find enough parts that match?
Meaning more than one car comes in a package, like Kato covered hoppers
or Broadway Limited PRR stock cars or now ProtoWest.
Ah, very good point. That did bug me about the Kato hoppers (which I
never bought), and now that you mention it, didn't the Broadway N&W
hoppers only come in six-packs? That's fine if you model the N&W, but
if you just want to deliver *an* N&W car of coal to an online
industry, you likely don't want six of them.

I seem to have the problem which I mentioned . . . often in resin kits
the parts don't match, not even one side to the other, let alone the
roof and/or floor.

That's one reason I prefer a good styrene kit. I have yet to try a
one-piece body resin kit, but I look forward to doing so.

Walt Lankenau


NH 1937 AAR boxcars

Brian J Carlson <brian@...>
 

From a post earlier this year. "A total 975 from this series of cars were
renumbered to the 36000-36999 series in 1955. This was not just a simple
renumbering, but involved a sale to the Harris Trust Company, and lease for
refurbishing to Hyman-Michaels, although the actual work was performed at
the New Haven's own Readville Shops. If not already so modified, the cars
were equipped with Apex Tri-Lok steel running boards which replaced the
original wood running boards at this time. Steel floor plates were installed
between bolsters as well."

I have recently purchased Ted's excellent decals for these cars. They come
will also excellent trust plates. I assume that the cars sold and leased
back would have had the original trust plates removed, and possibly new ones
attached. Does anyone know if my assumption is correct. I want to model one
of the script herald cars in good condition so I want to model one of the
early lease back cars. just wondering if I should use the trust plates or
not.

Brian J Carlson P.E.
Cheektowaga NY


Re: Piedmont & Northern Caboose & freight cars

Frank Valoczy <destron@...>
 

Ooops. It was in the Seaboard - Coast Line Modeler. Only the current
issue is up for download with a comment that the first four issues
will be available shortly on CD.

Frank Valoczy
Vancouver, BC

--- In STMFC@..., "Eric Hiser" <ehiser@...> wrote:

Frank:
You said, "if you want info on the P&N's freight cars, please look
at not the last but the issue before last, that has part one of a P&N
freight
car article, covering boxcars; part two will follow in the next issue
to come out, and will cover all other freight cars plus MoW - no
cabooses though.

Which publication was this in reference to?

Thanks,
Eric Hiser


Re: Piedmont & Northern Caboose & freight cars

Eric Hiser <ehiser@...>
 

Frank:
You said, "if you want info on the P&N's freight cars, please look
at not the last but the issue before last, that has part one of a P&N
freight
car article, covering boxcars; part two will follow in the next issue
to come out, and will cover all other freight cars plus MoW - no
cabooses though.

Which publication was this in reference to?

Thanks,
Eric Hiser


Re: New Bulkhead HO scale 70-ton flatcar

Ed Hawkins
 

On Oct 15, 2008, at 12:57 PM, jim_mischke wrote:

After watching obscure ATSF and Missouri Pacific versions of popular
car types come out because of some consultant's favorite railroad,
it's
feels good to win one.

Jim Mischke
B&OHS Model Committee
Jim,
Uhh, what I don't quite understand is why there wasn't a similar vague
reference to the obscure Accurail triple offset-side AAR 70-ton hopper
car that was ONLY correct (albeit poorly rendered Z-sections on the
ends) for 1,000 B&O W-7 cars produced in 1947. I've often wondered how
that "rare" car happened to be selected when there were other superior
choices. Surely the decision wasn't made by some self-interested B&O
modeler. At any rate, I'm glad you have learned the process of how to
get self-interest models produced. Among other good choices, could the
B&O version of the AAR 50-ton hopper car (a car that was built in huge
numbers) be far away? <g>
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


Re: Piedmont & Northern Caboose

Bob McCarthy
 

Frank,
 
     Thanks for the lead on the site.  We will go up there next week.  Can you and Eric send us a list of shots you want on each freight/passenger/caboose/locomotive?
 
Bob McCarthy

--- On Thu, 10/16/08, Frank Valoczy <destron@...> wrote:

From: Frank Valoczy <destron@...>
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Piedmont & Northern Caboose
To: STMFC@...
Date: Thursday, October 16, 2008, 3:00 AM








The Greenwood Railroad Historical Center
(http://www.themuseu m-greenwood. org/train. shtml)

is at 106 Main Street in Greenwood, SC. According to the website,
they're open Saturdays 11 to 4 April through October, "weather
permitting", $5 for adults, $2 for kids/seniors/ students.

I too would be very interested in seeing photos of the P&N caboose (as
well as the P&N office car that's at Greenwood museum ("Carolina") ,
and the interurban car #2102), especially if there could be detail
photos to make a good model with!

Eric, if you want info on the P&N's freight cars, please look at not
the last but the issue before last, that has part one of a P&N freight
car article, covering boxcars; part two will follow in the next issue
to come out, and will cover all other freight cars plus MoW - no
cabooses though.

Regards,

Frank Valoczy
Vancouver, BC

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups. com, Bob McCarthy <thesupplycar@ ...> wrote:

Eric,

Send me a lead on the museum address and website. I will get
startedon the research immediately.

Bob
803-429-1811 1000-2300hrs daily
The mighty Central of Georgia in scale S.


--- On Wed, 10/15/08, Eric Hiser <ehiser@...> wrote:

From: Eric Hiser <ehiser@...>
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Piedmont & Northern Caboose
To: STMFC@yahoogroups. com
Date: Wednesday, October 15, 2008, 8:45 PM






Bob:
That would be fabulous. My wife's father is a railfan for the
Piedmont & Northern and my wife has asked me to build him an O scale
caboose
of his favorite line to put on the mantle of his fire place. Hence, I am
trying to get a good photo so I can find a close caboose and then
build the
requested model, helping me with both wife and father-in-law!
Your help would be deeply, deeply appreciated!
I model HO an extension of the Santa Fe's Clarkdale branch circa
1926, but am happy to learn more about the P&N and the railroads of
the SE.

Eric Hiser
Phoenix, AZ
ehiser@...

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@yahoogroups. com [mailto:STMFC@ yahoogroups. com] On
Behalf Of Bob
McCarthy
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 9:05 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Piedmont & Northern Caboose

Eric,

How about we go to Greenwood and get some pictures for you.
What else
do you need.

We are in Columbia, SC and not that far from Greenwood.
Luckily I am
married to a woman who has riddden in steam engine cabs as a child. She
likes and understand railroads.

Want a show of hands for those married guys who have a wife who
will
say while having dinner, "You know we need to start a communter line
from
Newberry, SC to Columbia, SC."
I submit I am very lucky, she even has relatives, Uncle Shelby Lowe, who
wrote the book on Southern steam, a Grandfather E.E. Lowe who was
the Senior
Conductor on The Southern Cresent when he retired, with a Great
Grandfather
Alonzo Lowe who was an engineer for a line that the Southern absorbed.

So she will say 'road trip' if you send me the website of the
museum.
We will get everything we can for you.

Are you in HO?

Bob McCarthy
Modeling in Scale S the Mighty Central of Georgia in the 1950's

--- On Wed, 10/15/08, Eric Hiser <ehiser@...> wrote:

From: Eric Hiser <ehiser@...>
Subject: [STMFC] Piedmont & Northern Caboose
To: STMFC@yahoogroups. com
Date: Wednesday, October 15, 2008, 3:43 AM

I am looking for a photograph of a Piedmont & Northern Caboose,
preferably
during the early part of the 20th Century. I have checked the P&N
book, but
the photo in it is not very helpful. I know that there is a preserved
caboose at the Railroad Historical Center in Greenwood, SC, but they
do not
have a photo of any of the equipment on the webpage. Does anyone have a
photo that they could share or a reference to where one may be? It
would be
appreciated!

Eric Hiser
Phoenix, AZ
ehiser@...

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Re: New Athearn VGN 3 bay hopper

Bruce Smith
 

On Oct 16, 2008, at 3:24 PM, timboconnor@... wrote:


True, but I got the idea from the Athearn announcement that the
model being offered is the 3-bay -ribbed- hopper, not the offset, and
that car is quite similar to some prototypes e.g. C&O. I don't know
if it is correct or even close for VGN.

Tim O'Connor
Tim,

It is the MDC ribbed hopper, but it is still, to borrow a phrase, "trying to put lipstick on a pig".

Regards
Bruce

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Re: IRC 1958 cuft hoppers

Tim O'Connor
 

Yeah, probably all 700 or 800 actual modelers left on the planet will
be very excited... :-)

Tim O'Connor

-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>

I think most modelers will be blown away by these new cars.


Re: New Athearn VGN 3 bay hopper

Tim O'Connor
 

True, but I got the idea from the Athearn announcement that the
model being offered is the 3-bay -ribbed- hopper, not the offset, and
that car is quite similar to some prototypes e.g. C&O. I don't know
if it is correct or even close for VGN.

Tim O'Connor

-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@...>

In fact, not based on any prototype. The MDC model was a generic
design and totally bogus, and Athearn's "improvements" don't change
that.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: IRC 1958 cuft hoppers

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Eric Mumper wrote:
As has been noted on this list before, there is nothing like picking up the phone and talking directly to the source. Intermountain claims these are 1 to 2 weeks from being in house and available on the first run.
Since I talked to Frank Angstead, IM's president, just two weeks ago, one could believe that was "the source," but in reality Frank is an accountant and does not really know a great deal about prototypes or even about production details. Your news that they are so close is GOOD news. I think most modelers will be blown away by these new cars.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: New Bulkhead HO scale 70-ton flatcar

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Oct 15, 2008, at 11:20 AM, Peter Ness wrote:

Hi Richard,
I was one of several that attempted to provide feedback to IM on the
New Haven NE-5 caboose two years prior to production based on the
pilot
with no result.

While there are published photos of one type of NH 19000-series
bulkhead flat (low bulkhead), I have a rare image of the high bulkhead
version.

Do you think it's worth sharing with IM or are they better off just
going on their merry way?












At this point, I think it's a waste of time. Since they have the
drawings for the B&O bulkhead, that's doubtless what they will model,
and they're certainly not going to tool two different bulkheads. At
least they're following the B&O prototype and not inventing something
that's totally bogus.


Richard Hendrickson


Re: New Athearn VGN 3 bay hopper

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Oct 16, 2008, at 9:45 AM, jim_mischke wrote:

I believe this VGN car is a tool-modified MDC three bay offset hopper.

Based on a B&LE prototype. If that.

I have purged all MDC offset triples from my model railroad. I do
not think there is anything they can do to make it acceptable.







In fact, not based on any prototype. The MDC model was a generic
design and totally bogus, and Athearn's "improvements" don't change
that.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: New Athearn VGN 3 bay hopper

jim_mischke <jmischke@...>
 

I believe this VGN car is a tool-modified MDC three bay offset hopper.

Based on a B&LE prototype. If that.

I have purged all MDC offset triples from my model railroad. I do
not think there is anything they can do to make it acceptable.





--- In STMFC@..., "Bill McCoy" <wpmccoy@...> wrote:

Is this car correct for the VGN? IIRC the Athearn 2 bay outside
braced
car is the best VGN 2 bay car out at this time. Also, Other than
the
Bowser and BLI N&W hoppers are there any other cars on the market
that
would work for the N&W.

Thanks.

Bill McCoy
Jax, FL


Re: resin versus injection molded

ed_mines
 

--- In STMFC@..., "Gatwood, Elden J SAD "
<elden.j.gatwood@...> wrote:
You are obviously not buying the right injection molded models.
Elden, you're right. I'm just disappointed that the ProtoWest kits come
2 to a box.

Many of the members of this list see each other face to face several
times a year. That's never going to happen with me. I met 2 or 3 list
memebers 25 years ago.

I'm not supposed to buy any more models but sometimes I can't help
myself - like Ted's Wabash dd SS box car or some undec P2K cars on sale.

I have enough kits in storage to last me 3 life times.

Ed


Re: IRC 1958 cuft hoppers

Eric Mumper <ericmumper@...>
 

Tony,

Thank you for the reply. I anticipate some discrepancy with regards
to latches and roof details and need to organize my reference
material to deal with that in the future. As has been noted on this
list before, there is nothing like picking up the phone and talking
directly to the source. Intermountain claims these are 1 to 2 weeks
from being in house and available on the first run.

Eric Mumper

--- In STMFC@..., Anthony Thompson <thompson@...> wrote:

Eric Mumper wrote:
Just went over to the Intermountain website and it looks like the
new
1958 cuft covered hoppers are available and the site has pictures
of
actual models - not just drawings. Has anyone seen these and can
anyone comment on their accuracy and quality of assembly? Always
want
to ask this since first runs can have "issues".
I saw a couple of complete models at the SP Society convention
last
month. They looked excellent, with fine grab iron detail like the
Kadee
PS-2 models. Of course that's not a measure of production.
Accuracy, as
Tim O'Connor pointed out a few days ago, depends on your prototype:
does it have double latch "fingers" or single? double latch bars on
each side or single? is the roof smooth, riveted or ribbed? As for
"now" I don't think you're right. Frank Angstead of Intermountain
said
they HOPED they would have the first batch in by Christmas. But if
anyone knows more, please enlighten us.

Currently there are about 150 of the Bowser/Kato/E&B Valley cars
moving silica sand around my layout and an upgrade would be nice.
They will be an immense upgrade over E&B Valley, and still
a
distinct upgrade over Bowser and Kato--far better grab irons. I
haven't
yet seen a Bowser paint job that had accurate lettering, so I have
a
low opinion of those cars and have built Katos instead. But I think
the
IM cars will be a serious piece of progress.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history