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Re: Wabash 65' mill gons

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Mar 22, 2008, at 4:06 PM, Brian J Carlson wrote:

I originally asked about one of these cars last month. I picked one up
at a
show. I want to finish off the detailing. Athearn numbered their cars
12017
and 12033, which fall in the 12000 - 12049 group built in 12-1941 by
Decatur shop. What trucks were used on these cars? The models appear
to
come with the Standard Athearn 50-ton truck (self aligning spring
plankless). I would have expected a 70 ton truck with a 3 visible
springs
either with or without spring planks. If the model should have a 70
ton
solid bearing trucks, what options are there in HO?...
Brian, the prototype cars had 70 ton AAR self aligning spring plankless
trucks with five-spring clusters (two springs visible). The Athearn
truck is actually a pretty good representation of them; no doubt it was
intended to represent a 50 ton truck, but the journal boxes are
somewhat oversize, as on most HO scale trucks. I just got one of the
models myself and I intend to leave the Athearn trucks on it (though
with Code 88 wheels, of course).

Richard Hendrickson


Re: Wabash 65' mill gons

Tim O'Connor
 

A fine 1959 photo of Wabash #12046 shows what looks like 70 ton
ASF S-3 truck sideframes, with 2 springs in the front, and Barber
"ride control" bolsters. These trucks have no spring plank. No
HO scale model is an exact match.

Tim O'Connor

At 3/22/2008 07:06 PM Saturday, you wrote:
I originally asked about one of these cars last month. I picked one up at a
show. I want to finish off the detailing. Athearn numbered their cars 12017
and 12033, which fall in the 12000 - 12049 group built in 12-1941 by
Decatur shop. What trucks were used on these cars? The models appear to
come with the Standard Athearn 50-ton truck (self aligning spring
plankless). I would have expected a 70 ton truck with a 3 visible springs
either with or without spring planks. If the model should have a 70 ton
solid bearing trucks, what options are there in HO? I am not finding any
options in the Walthers Catalog or my parts box.

Brian J Carlson P.E.
Cheektowaga NY


Re: Southern Covered Hopper

benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
 

Schuyler Larrabee asked:
"Did the Southern have any PS2 covered hoppers?"

Mike Turner replied:
"SOU had PS2 covered hoppers. The hatch spacing is different from
the KD."

Yes and (maybe) no on the hatch spacing. The SOU 2003 cu ft PS-2s
were as follows:
SOU 94181-94420
SOU 280178-280277
SOU 319234-319293

All cars were built in 1957 and had the REFC ("hat") section side
posts ("side stakes") vice channels over the bolsters. SOU 94181-
94420 had the earlier narrow hatch spacing and roller bearing
trucks; these cars cannot be modeled with either Kadee, Atlas, or
MDC models out of the box and will require either hatch surgery or
roof swaps. (Some southeastern roads continued to order cars with
the narrow hatch spacing after P-S made the wider hatch spacing
change.) Nehrich reports that the other two number series had the
wider hatch spacing; however, I haven't had the chance this
afternoon to locate a photo illustrating this.

"Second, if they did, were they painted in a scheme with "SOUTHERN"
in large green block letters, probably 30" high, with the car number
below that, all centered lengthwise?"

Tim O'Connor replied:
"From the information I have, the gothic lettering first appeared on
Southern freight cars in 1960. Prior to that time the lettering was
roman on box car red (there was a change from black to red for
hoppers at some point but I don't have a date for that)."

Yes for the changeover to the gothic lettering; however, these cars
were delivered in gray, NOT black or red. See page 72 of the July
1991 issue of Mainline Modeler for a Howard Ameling photo of SOU
94387 taken in June 1959.


Ben Hom


Re: Southern Covered Hopper

Tim O'Connor
 

Mike

Can you elaborate? I have jpeg's of SOU 95439, 95655 and I
can't see any obvious difference from Kadee's hatch spacing.

Tim O'Connor

SOU had PS2 covered hoppers. The hatch spacing is different from the KD.
Some also received topside extensions.

Mike Turner
Simpsonville, SC


Re: Southern Covered Hopper

mike turner <yardcoolieyahoo@...>
 

SOU had PS2 covered hoppers. The hatch spacing is different from the KD. Some also received topside extensions.

Mike Turner
Simpsonville, SC


Re: Southern Covered Hopper

George Courtney
 

--- In STMFC@..., "Schuyler Larrabee"
<schuyler.larrabee@...> wrote:

You might want to try the website for TIES magazine. Sorry don't
have it handy. I picked a couple of photos of Southern covered
hoppers out on this site. Gray with black lettering apparently. I
doubt the Gothic was used before 1958, perhaps not that early but
certainly no earlier.
George Courtney

Let's start with the first criterion:

Did the Southern have any PS2 covered hoppers?

Second, if they did, were they painted in a scheme with "SOUTHERN"
in large green block letters,
probably 30" high, with the car number below that, all centered
lengthwise?

If that is two "yes" answers, the final question is: When did
this scheme begin to be applied to
these cars? Before 1960? (I hope?)

SGL
La vita e breve, mangiate prima il dolce!


Re: Chili's Restaurant Commercial

Larry Jackman <Ljack70117@...>
 

Thank you
Larry Jackman
ljack70117@...
Boca Raton FL 33434
I was born with nothing and
I have most of it left.

On Mar 22, 2008, at 3:49 PM, Rod Miller wrote:

I have see this commercial on the ABC channel between 7PM
and 8PM.

It shows a group of people in a car at a railroad crossing
waiting for the train to pass and while doing so discussing
what to have for dinner.

Then the view moves to a top view of the train. Two open
hoppers pass, then a light colored tank car with a platform
around the dome. The final shot is a flat car with of course
a giant chili on it.

The equipment is all steam-era and either is well preserved
or are some very nicely built and weathered models.

If anyone else has seen this commercial, can they shed any
light? Models or real, and if the latter, what museum or
organization supplied it?

Thx

Rod

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Re: Southern Covered Hopper

Tim O'Connor
 

Schuyler

From the information I have, the gothic lettering first
appeared on Southern freight cars in 1960. Prior to that
time the lettering was roman on box car red (there was a
change from black to red for hoppers at some point but I
don't have a date for that).

Tim O'Connor

At 3/22/2008 04:07 PM Saturday, you wrote:
Let's start with the first criterion:
Did the Southern have any PS2 covered hoppers?
Second, if they did, were they painted in a scheme with "SOUTHERN" in large green block letters,
probably 30" high, with the car number below that, all centered lengthwise?
If that is two "yes" answers, the final question is: When did this scheme begin to be applied to
these cars? Before 1960? (I hope?)


Re: Chili's Restaurant Commercial

Rod Miller
 

Thanks Andy. Rod

Andy Carlson wrote:
Commercial shot 3 blocks from Robert Smaus's Sunkist Packing Plant in Fillmore, on the Fillmore & Western (movie) Railroad. The weathered open hoppers are extra weathered having survived a staged train wreck last year for a made for TV movie.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA
Rod Miller <rod@...> wrote:
I have see this commercial on the ABC channel between 7PM
and 8PM.
It shows a group of people in a car at a railroad crossing
waiting for the train to pass and while doing so discussing
what to have for dinner.
Then the view moves to a top view of the train. Two open
hoppers pass, then a light colored tank car with a platform
around the dome. The final shot is a flat car with of course
a giant chili on it.
The equipment is all steam-era and either is well preserved
or are some very nicely built and weathered models.
If anyone else has seen this commercial, can they shed any
light? Models or real, and if the latter, what museum or
organization supplied it?
Thx
Rod


Southern Covered Hopper

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Let's start with the first criterion:

Did the Southern have any PS2 covered hoppers?

Second, if they did, were they painted in a scheme with "SOUTHERN" in large green block letters,
probably 30" high, with the car number below that, all centered lengthwise?

If that is two "yes" answers, the final question is: When did this scheme begin to be applied to
these cars? Before 1960? (I hope?)

SGL
La vita e breve, mangiate prima il dolce!


Re: Chili's Restaurant Commercial

Andy Carlson
 

Commercial shot 3 blocks from Robert Smaus's Sunkist Packing Plant in Fillmore, on the Fillmore & Western (movie) Railroad. The weathered open hoppers are extra weathered having survived a staged train wreck last year for a made for TV movie.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

Rod Miller <rod@...> wrote: I have see this commercial on the ABC channel between 7PM
and 8PM.

It shows a group of people in a car at a railroad crossing
waiting for the train to pass and while doing so discussing
what to have for dinner.

Then the view moves to a top view of the train. Two open
hoppers pass, then a light colored tank car with a platform
around the dome. The final shot is a flat car with of course
a giant chili on it.

The equipment is all steam-era and either is well preserved
or are some very nicely built and weathered models.

If anyone else has seen this commercial, can they shed any
light? Models or real, and if the latter, what museum or
organization supplied it?

Thx

Rod


Chili's Restaurant Commercial

Rod Miller
 

I have see this commercial on the ABC channel between 7PM
and 8PM.

It shows a group of people in a car at a railroad crossing
waiting for the train to pass and while doing so discussing
what to have for dinner.

Then the view moves to a top view of the train. Two open
hoppers pass, then a light colored tank car with a platform
around the dome. The final shot is a flat car with of course
a giant chili on it.

The equipment is all steam-era and either is well preserved
or are some very nicely built and weathered models.

If anyone else has seen this commercial, can they shed any
light? Models or real, and if the latter, what museum or
organization supplied it?

Thx

Rod


Re: Ted's new book

al_brown03
 

It's called "Steam Era Freight Cars Reference Manual, volume 1"; see:
www.speedwitch.com

I'm just as enthusiastic about it as Ed is; it's already been a major
aid in carrying out one project and designing another. And, its
being "volume 1" has me downright titillated.

Usual disclaimer: I have no financial stake, I'm just a happy
customer.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.


--- In STMFC@..., "Dave & Donna Johnson" <ironhoss@...>
wrote:

Ed,

Do you have more information about the book, i.e. title, where on
the net is it for sale.

Thanks

Dave J.

----- Original Message -----
From: ed_mines
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 2:04 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Ted's new book


Ted's new book is great, comparable to the NMRA freight car book.

It contains atleast 300 good pictures and a number of charts
similar to
the ones in his RMC articles.

I have 1000s of freight car photos (Richard Hendrickson must have
10,000s) but I've never seen half of the photos in the book. The
text
is very good also.

Ed







Re: Ted's new book

Dave & Donna Johnson <ironhoss@...>
 

Ed,

Do you have more information about the book, i.e. title, where on the net is it for sale.

Thanks

Dave J.

----- Original Message -----
From: ed_mines
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 2:04 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Ted's new book


Ted's new book is great, comparable to the NMRA freight car book.

It contains atleast 300 good pictures and a number of charts similar to
the ones in his RMC articles.

I have 1000s of freight car photos (Richard Hendrickson must have
10,000s) but I've never seen half of the photos in the book. The text
is very good also.

Ed


Re: ATSF see through box car

mike turner <yardcoolieyahoo@...>
 

Southern Railway removed one entire side of a couple of boxcars and covered the opening with pig wire. I have the films of the hard couples with the resulting demonstration of Newton's laws. :) Terra cotta pipe, loaded boxes, some liquid stuff, and other debris were used in the various scenes. One film even has the deliberate wrecks of a couple of SU boxcars.

Mike Turner
Simpsonville, SC


Ted's new book

ed_mines
 

Ted's new book is great, comparable to the NMRA freight car book.

It contains atleast 300 good pictures and a number of charts similar to
the ones in his RMC articles.

I have 1000s of freight car photos (Richard Hendrickson must have
10,000s) but I've never seen half of the photos in the book. The text
is very good also.

Ed


Re: ATSF see through box car

Paul <buygone@...>
 

All:



The Southern Pacific also had a Plexiglas side box car SP 200. I have
posted in the files section three scans of this car taken in Los Angeles in
the early 1960's. Look for SP 200-1, SP 200-2 and SP 200-3.



Paul C. Koehler



_____

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of
Steve Lucas
Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 8:59 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: ATSF see through box car



CN had a similar car, as did at least another US road besides UP and
ATSF.

Steve Lucas.

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups. <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> com, "up4024"
<thekays100@...> wrote:

It seems to me that in my youth I got a photo of similar car built
by
the Union Pacific. I can try to find it if anyone is interested....

Steve Kay

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups. <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> com, "Michael
Bishop" <goldrod_1@> wrote:

After WWII the Santa Fe had a boxcar made with Plexiglas sides.
The car
was used to show how rough handling of the car affected the load.
How
long did this car last and was it ever rebuilt with steel sides?
Thanks
for any help.

Michael


Re: Santa Fe Ship and Travel cars with Train Names...

William Keene <wakeene@...>
 

I thought that I read somewhere that when the Santa Fe changed the
lettering from the Map / train slogan scheme to the S&T / Slogan
scheme that they went to a one size fits all template. The Map/slogan
scheme did have different sizes for 40- and 50-foot cars.

-- Bill Keene
Irvine, CA

On Mar 22, 2008, at 7:30 AM, up4024 wrote:

Last week I purchased a set of Microscale Decals-- # 87-506, which is
labeled as "Santa Fe 40'& 50' box cars 1947-1959 Ship and Travel"
First of all, the train names (The Grand Canyon Line, The San
Francisco Chief, etc) seem to be too small for 50' cars. Am I
correct in assuming the train name logos were in two sizes for 40 and
50- footers?

Also, the decal placement sheet shows a 40' plug door
box with an orange door and "DF Insulated" markings. Can any one
tell me which HO model is best for this car? Also, is there a
website that explains which train name goes with which car number?

Thanks,

SKay



Re: ATSF see through box car

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Steve Kay wrote:
It seems to me that in my youth I got a photo of similar car built by the Union Pacific. I can try to find it if anyone is interested....
SP built one too. It's covered via several photos in my volume on SP box cars.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: ATSF see through box car

Steve Lucas <stevelucas3@...>
 

CN had a similar car, as did at least another US road besides UP and
ATSF.

Steve Lucas.

--- In STMFC@..., "up4024" <thekays100@...> wrote:

It seems to me that in my youth I got a photo of similar car built
by
the Union Pacific. I can try to find it if anyone is interested....

Steve Kay

--- In STMFC@..., "Michael Bishop" <goldrod_1@> wrote:

After WWII the Santa Fe had a boxcar made with Plexiglas sides.
The car
was used to show how rough handling of the car affected the load.
How
long did this car last and was it ever rebuilt with steel sides?
Thanks
for any help.

Michael

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