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Re: Piano Wire

Dennis Storzek <destorzek@...>
 

--- In STMFC@..., timboconnor@... wrote:


looks great... but I am puzzled. How can they ship a single piece of
straight wire that is 6 feet long? The shipping charge is $9 to my house
for one length of wire.

Tim O'
Tim,

I donno, I've never bought from them. I would suspect, however, that
they do the same as McMaster Carr does with rod and bar stock, and put
it in a 6' long mailling tube.

I'm a little put out that they show a whole chart of cut lengths, but
don't have any prices (well, they do show $0.00, but that's not much
help) Clicking on the price seems to be what you do to build the
order, so it seems that no value, no stock.

I bet you can get a whole bunch of different sizes shipped for the
same $9 :-)

Dennis


Re: Piano Wire

Tim O'Connor
 

looks great... but I am puzzled. How can they ship a single piece of
straight wire that is 6 feet long? The shipping charge is $9 to my house
for one length of wire.

Tim O'

-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Dennis Storzek" <destorzek@...>

Try Small Parts at:
http://tinyurl.com/2ckur2
Many diameters from .003" to 1/8"
Dennis


Piano Wire

Dennis Storzek <destorzek@...>
 

--- In STMFC@..., "ed_mines" <ed_mines@...> wrote:

Can the average Joe get a small piece of piano wire less than 15 mils?

Ed
Try Small Parts at:

http://tinyurl.com/2ckur2

Many diameters from .003" to 1/8"

Dennis


Re: Coal Hoppers on the M&StL

rwitt_2000 <rmwitt@...>
 

Bob Karig wrote:

Note the different number of grab irons on the ends of cars 73699 and
73700. This should help you identify the vintage of the M&StL car.<

Another observation I made after enlarging the photo a little
http://www.sjcook.com/trains/mccall/misc/msl0105.jpg
<http://www.sjcook.com/trains/mccall/misc/msl0105.jpg> .

It appears that these hoppers received new hand holds on their ends and
this explains the "extra" end brace noted in the discussion. The
"additional" end brace is actually the right hand stile for the
replacement hand holds. The replacement hand holds are apparently
narrower than those applied to the original cars.

Bob Witt


Re: Coal Hoppers on the M&StL

Bob Karig <karig@...>
 

Doug,

Note the different number of grab irons on the ends of cars 73699 and 73700. This should help you identify the vintage of the M&StL car.

Bob

At 08:20 AM 1/3/2008, you wrote:
Thanks to Ben, Bob and Bob. We have a definate answer, and photos. This will
give Clark and I something to chew on at Cocoa Beach. By the way arrived in
Florida late Wed. night, was 39 degrees when I landed, so don't feel too
sorry for us.

Doug Harding
www.iowacentralrr.org


Re: ADMIN: needles

Jon Cagle <jscagle@...>
 

Gee Mike:

I thought you where referring to how you are doing right now, on "pins and needles" with the meet starting up.

jon


To: STMFC@...: brockm@...: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 08:55:57 -0500Subject: [STMFC] ADMIN: needles




Todd Stearns writes:"By the way, the "dirty needle" problem is caused by drug addicts, not dumb laws. Though NY does have it's share of both."OK, guys, this thread is moving away from steam era frt cars and into politics...most definitely a subject prohibited from the STMFC. Therefore, the thread is now terminated.Mike BrockSTMFC Owner


ADMIN: needles

Mike Brock <brockm@...>
 

Todd Stearns writes:

"By the way, the "dirty needle" problem is caused by drug addicts, not dumb laws. Though NY does have it's share of both."

OK, guys, this thread is moving away from steam era frt cars and into politics...most definitely a subject prohibited from the STMFC. Therefore, the thread is now terminated.

Mike Brock
STMFC Owner


Re: Coal Hoppers on the M&StL

Douglas Harding <dharding@...>
 

Thanks to Ben, Bob and Bob. We have a definate answer, and photos. This will
give Clark and I something to chew on at Cocoa Beach. By the way arrived in
Florida late Wed. night, was 39 degrees when I landed, so don't feel too
sorry for us.

Doug Harding
www.iowacentralrr.org

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Pink Blush Weathering

asychis@...
 

In a message dated 1/3/2008 5:06:02 A.M. Central Standard Time,
STMFC@... writes:

Anyone know of situations that led to pink blush coloured weathering on a
freight car?

Well, not a freight car per se, but anyone who saw Magor-type C&EI cabooses
in the late 1970s on the MoPac after the merger would have a good case for
red paint weathering to pink.

Jerry Michels






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Re: giving a face lift

Todd Stearns <toddsyr@...>
 

Okay, looks like I stand corrected. It used to be illegal though, except of course with a medical need. I just wanted to warn folks because I didn't want anyone getting into trouble. By the way, the "dirty needle" problem is caused by drug addicts, not dumb laws. Though NY does have it's share of both.

Todd K. Stearns


hypodermic needles

ed_mines
 

I used to use 'em a lot in work. We didn't need pointy ones, but
they're much cheaper (<$20/case of 100) than the ones cut flush.

They're really nasty bastards to have around. Even with the protective
tips you get stuck a lot.

Can the average Joe get a small piece of piano wire less than 15 mils?

Ed


Re: giving a face lift

Brian J Carlson <brian@...>
 

----- Original Message -----

Todd Stearns wrote:
Just a note. I'm pretty sure possession of a hypodermic needle in NY
state by non-medical personnel is a felony.
I doubt it. Many diabetics and others have to give themselves
injections. But it might require a prescription. Either way, it's a
dumb law--that's what's caused all the "dirty needle" problems with
addicts.


Re: giving a face lift

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Todd Stearns wrote:
Just a note. I'm pretty sure possession of a hypodermic needle in NY state by non-medical personnel is a felony.
I doubt it. Many diabetics and others have to give themselves injections. But it might require a prescription. Either way, it's a dumb law--that's what's caused all the "dirty needle" problems with addicts.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: giving a face lift

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Not . . . . .necessarily. Many states changed that law to cater to the druggies, and help keep
hepatitis and AIDS transmission down, and it has helped. But that should be checked. IIRC, you can
buy them in CVS here in Massachusetts.


SGL

-----Original Message-----

Just a note. I'm pretty sure possession of a hypodermic needle in NY state by non-medical
personnel is a felony.

Todd K. Stearns


Re: giving a face lift

Todd Stearns <toddsyr@...>
 

Just a note. I'm pretty sure possession of a hypodermic needle in NY state by non-medical personnel is a felony.

Todd K. Stearns


Re: Coal Hoppers on the M&StL

rwitt_2000 <rmwitt@...>
 

Bob Karig wrote:

I agree with Ben's assessment and have sent you a scan of a builders
photo
of one of these cars built by Standard Steel, which I got from Keith
Retterer.
I also agree with Ben's reply.

Here is another photo more clearly showing the end with its three
braces.

http://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/images/ccc&stl-73700.jpg

Bob Witt


Re: Time Periods for Different Truck Types

Rich Yoder
 

FYI,
IN "O" scale 5 out of 6 truck styles I have built have spring
planks.
Rich Yoder
7 Edgedale Court
Wyomissing PA 19610-1913
610-678-2834 after 6:00PM est until 10:00PM
www.richyodermodels.com

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of
Dennis Storzek
Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 2:09 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Time Periods for Different Truck Types

--- In STMFC@..., "Tony Higgins" <earthman92853@...> wrote:

...What is
a spring plank and what was it's purpose? From your response below,
it seems somehow related to bolster/sideframe alignment and lateral
stability? I can understand why this was a concern but how did spring
planks address it? Can you please elaborate?

Thanks,
Tony Higgins
The spring plank is/was a channel section that runs between the bottom
of the side frames, each end located directly under the spring seats.
These were sometimes made from structural channel, sometimes from a
steel pressing, and were originally a wooden plank, thus the name.

In the old time swing motion trucks this plank actually hung free of
the truck frame and held the springs the bolster was supported by.
When swing motion freightcar trucks fell out of favor (too much
complexity, too many wear points) the spring plank was retained with
so called rigid frame trucks, which is what almost all cast sideframe
freight trucks are. The purpose for retaining the spring plank was to
keep the bottoms of the sideframes in line. However, improvements to
the form and fit of the gibs that hold the bolster in the sideframes
made the spring plank unnecessary, and the use was dropped shortly
before WWII again to reduce weight and complexity.

Most one piece model trucks don't attempt to model the spring plank
between the sideframes, due to the complexity it would cause to the
part. Typically, only the ends are modeled where they show under the
springs on the outside of the sideframe; both the Accurail
"Bettendorf" and Andrews trucks have this detail. One could, of
course, fit the spring plank between the sideframes, but then getting
to the truck screw would be problematic.

Dennis





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Re: Hypodermic needle drills???

Dennis Storzek <destorzek@...>
 

--- In STMFC@..., "Tom Madden" <tgmadden@...> wrote:

Philip Dove wrote:
New Hypodermic needles for drilling plastic...
Whoa! Let's hear more about this. Are we talking about sharply pointed
needles with the hole in the side of the tapered tip, or ones that
aren't tapered and the hole is in the end? I've used the latter for
drawing liquid samples for analysis, but they've tended to be larger
sizes. And do you spin, or just push the needle through the material?

Tom,

Side, spun.

Actually, piano wire is way cheaper. Just cut it on the diagonal with
a cut-off wheel, then grind on a long flat point. It's an easy way to
make a bastard single lip cutter, but they work fine in soft materials
like styrene and resin.

The real way to make a single lip cutter would be to grind the end to
a cone, the grind half the diameter away. In reality, the conical
point should also have a slight spiral to provide relief for the
single cutting edge, but in soft material it doesn't really make any
difference.

The wire with diagonal points work great in variable speed motor
tools, but cut a bit slowly to use with a hand pin vise. What actually
happens is the point starts scraping away at the material around the
dimple, or pin prick used as a starting mark. As the point goes down,
the cylindrical side of the wire forces the point over, so that when
the full surface of the wire is in the material, it's centered on the
spot the point first entered. Of course, when the full depth of the
point is in the work, there is no longer anyplace for the chips (in
this case scrapings) to go, but typically by this time the point is
coming through the other side of the material, so it doesn't make much
difference. These are not for really deep holes. The only thing to
watch is that the speed of the drill doesn't melt the surrounding plastic.

Dennis


Hypodermic needle drills???

Tom Madden <tgmadden@...>
 

Philip Dove wrote:

I went to an NMRA clinic in St Louis or Kansas city, where IIRC
Leslie was doing a clinic on weathering brick structures with makeup,
the results were extremely good,...
[Snip]
...many of the tips she gave were very good, they including using
New Hypodermic needles for drilling plastic...
Whoa! Let's hear more about this. Are we talking about sharply pointed
needles with the hole in the side of the tapered tip, or ones that
aren't tapered and the hole is in the end? I've used the latter for
drawing liquid samples for analysis, but they've tended to be larger
sizes. And do you spin, or just push the needle through the material?

You learn something new every day. Sometimes two things. I never
thought much about spring planks, now I know what they are. Then this
needle thing.....

Tom Madden


Re: Time Periods for Different Truck Types

Dennis Storzek <destorzek@...>
 

--- In STMFC@..., "Tony Higgins" <earthman92853@...> wrote:

...What is
a spring plank and what was it's purpose? From your response below,
it seems somehow related to bolster/sideframe alignment and lateral
stability? I can understand why this was a concern but how did spring
planks address it? Can you please elaborate?

Thanks,
Tony Higgins
The spring plank is/was a channel section that runs between the bottom
of the side frames, each end located directly under the spring seats.
These were sometimes made from structural channel, sometimes from a
steel pressing, and were originally a wooden plank, thus the name.

In the old time swing motion trucks this plank actually hung free of
the truck frame and held the springs the bolster was supported by.
When swing motion freightcar trucks fell out of favor (too much
complexity, too many wear points) the spring plank was retained with
so called rigid frame trucks, which is what almost all cast sideframe
freight trucks are. The purpose for retaining the spring plank was to
keep the bottoms of the sideframes in line. However, improvements to
the form and fit of the gibs that hold the bolster in the sideframes
made the spring plank unnecessary, and the use was dropped shortly
before WWII again to reduce weight and complexity.

Most one piece model trucks don't attempt to model the spring plank
between the sideframes, due to the complexity it would cause to the
part. Typically, only the ends are modeled where they show under the
springs on the outside of the sideframe; both the Accurail
"Bettendorf" and Andrews trucks have this detail. One could, of
course, fit the spring plank between the sideframes, but then getting
to the truck screw would be problematic.

Dennis

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