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Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Box Car flooring question

Tim O'Connor
 


Rejection of empty cars by shippers is a common occurence. I don't know anyone who
"models" it (or cleanout tracks, for that matter), but it's definitely a part of real railroading.

Tim O'Connor


On 4/21/2021 11:18 AM, Gatwood, Elden J SAD wrote:

Fritz, you made my day!

 

I won’t stop smiling!

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Fritz Milhaupt via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2021 11:12 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Box Car flooring question

 

Woe betide the man who accidentally sends this car to a grain elevator for loading...

-Fritz Milhaupt


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: A busy time at the team track Chicago 1934

Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;)
 


Hi Jim and List members,
 
Jim wrote: "I love the guy in the light colored hat who is looking directly at the camera!"
 
I noticed that too! He's the big boss, not going to get his clothes dirty!
 
Claus Schlund
 

----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Betz
Sent: Monday, May 10, 2021 11:30 AM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] A busy time at the team track Chicago 1934

Claus,
  I love the guy in the light colored hat who is looking directly at the camera!

  I noticed that the 'crews' at the individual cars that are unloading all seem to be
food/household goods.  And that all of them seem to be unloading product in
cardboard boxes.  No reefers in this line of cars.

  "A busy time at the team track" ... INDEED.  I have never seen a team track
that long nor one with anything even close to that many cars.  Each guy 
probably had to "check in" to get the car number for his load.  Most of them
seem to be only one or two guys doing the unloading from the train ... so
they were going to be there for a little while.  

  Question - is this a "30's scene" that was replaced by palletized loads
that were unloading in a freight dock soon after?
                                                                                                       - Jim
                                                                                                                            - Jim


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Re: A busy time at the team track Chicago 1934

Jim Betz
 

Claus,
  I love the guy in the light colored hat who is looking directly at the camera!

  I noticed that the 'crews' at the individual cars that are unloading all seem to be
food/household goods.  And that all of them seem to be unloading product in
cardboard boxes.  No reefers in this line of cars.

  "A busy time at the team track" ... INDEED.  I have never seen a team track
that long nor one with anything even close to that many cars.  Each guy 
probably had to "check in" to get the car number for his load.  Most of them
seem to be only one or two guys doing the unloading from the train ... so
they were going to be there for a little while.  

  Question - is this a "30's scene" that was replaced by palletized loads
that were unloading in a freight dock soon after?
                                                                                                       - Jim
                                                                                                                            - Jim


Re: A busy time at the team track Chicago 1934

Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;)
 

Hi Tim and List Members,
 
Another thing to notice - the NYC steel boxcar closest to thte camera is being unloaded - boxes and boxes of RINSO.
 
Now look two cars back from there, a second NYC steel boxcar loaded with boxes of RINSO.
 
Now look at the next car back from there (USRA ss boxcar, road name unknown) - it is also full of boxes of RINSO.
 
Now look at the truck parked there - LOUIS DOBBRATZ SOAD DISTRIBUTORS! Think they might sell RINSO?
 
Now look at the fully loaded horse cart just past the DOBBRATZ truck - it is full to the top with - you guessed it - RINSO boxes
 
I bet the railroad crews simply refered to this as the RINSO track!
 
Claus Schlund
 
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, May 10, 2021 11:20 AM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] A busy time at the team track Chicago 1934

Claus

Horses == TEAMS => TEAMSTERS => TEAM TRACKS :-D

Railroads in the Chicago area had many of these team track yards - tracks with space in between
for teams and later for trucks. Team tracks still exist to serve offline customers with carload service.

Tim O'Connor


On 5/10/2021 10:47 AM, Claus Schlund wrote:
Hi List Members,
 
A busy time at the team track Chicago 1934 - an image I find to be spectacular that simply transports us back more than 90 years into the past
 
"Men with products on trucks and horse-drawn wagons near train at Chicago Northwestern Railroad Depot"
 
It is clearly wintertime - everyone is wearing their coats, even the horses!
 
 
Quite a number of things immediately jump out at me, a few of them are...
 
(1) Note how many businesses were still using horses to get the job done in this relatively late 1934 date
 
(2) Note how a few of the conveyances are positioned for side-loading, but the vast majority are positioned for diagonal loading, at maybe a 45 degree angle relative to the freight car involved. None of the vehicles has been positioned at a 90 degree angle against the freight cars - I would think this 90 degree angle would make for the easiest work, with the vehicle back loading door flush against the freight car side, but perhaps that would also entirely block the flow of all other vehicular traffic
 
(3) There is a building clearly marked RAILWAY EXPRESS AGENCY above the left end of the activity
 
More info can be found at the link below...
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Flat car with lumber load Vancouver Island

Larry Rice
 

Yes, as I wrote and is clearly shown in the video I provided the link to, the lumber is being loaded onto the ship. 

The flatcars were loaded in the vicinity of Lake Cowichan, roughly centered in the southernmost portion of the island, and then taken eastward to saltwater at Cowichan Bay.

This was an export operation in Cowichan Bay on the eastern shore of Vancouver Island.

Larry Rice
Port Townsend  WA


Re: A busy time at the team track Chicago 1934

Tim O'Connor
 

Claus

Horses == TEAMS => TEAMSTERS => TEAM TRACKS :-D

Railroads in the Chicago area had many of these team track yards - tracks with space in between
for teams and later for trucks. Team tracks still exist to serve offline customers with carload service.

Tim O'Connor


On 5/10/2021 10:47 AM, Claus Schlund wrote:

Hi List Members,
 
A busy time at the team track Chicago 1934 - an image I find to be spectacular that simply transports us back more than 90 years into the past
 
"Men with products on trucks and horse-drawn wagons near train at Chicago Northwestern Railroad Depot"
 
It is clearly wintertime - everyone is wearing their coats, even the horses!
 
 
Quite a number of things immediately jump out at me, a few of them are...
 
(1) Note how many businesses were still using horses to get the job done in this relatively late 1934 date
 
(2) Note how a few of the conveyances are positioned for side-loading, but the vast majority are positioned for diagonal loading, at maybe a 45 degree angle relative to the freight car involved. None of the vehicles has been positioned at a 90 degree angle against the freight cars - I would think this 90 degree angle would make for the easiest work, with the vehicle back loading door flush against the freight car side, but perhaps that would also entirely block the flow of all other vehicular traffic
 
(3) There is a building clearly marked RAILWAY EXPRESS AGENCY above the left end of the activity
 
More info can be found at the link below...
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] A variety of steel boxcars, Chicago

Tim O'Connor
 


605941 - X29G


On 5/10/2021 10:55 AM, Gatwood, Elden J SAD wrote:

That is a fabulous collection of cars.

 

I don’t know the classes of many cars, but I think the PRR box car to left is either class X29F or X29G, due to carbody, lettering in late Shadow Keystone sans serif “PRR”, and the deep side sill with “box” supports.

 

I think the car number begins with “605”, but can anyone make out the complete car number?

 

These cars were often used in appliance shipment out of mid-west states like Ohio and Indiana.  Its appearance in Chicago empty could make sense.

 


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


team track Channing MI 1927 (Views of C&NW 91635 and CM&StP 99344)

Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;)
 

Hi List Members,
 
A team track in Channing MI 1927
 
"8/27 Channing - street & ry [railway] yards fr.[from] station. 10:30 a.m. N"
 
 
It looks like an end door boxcar got converted to an elevated storage shed. Or were the end doors added later, like when the freight car first became a shed?
 
Views of C&NW 91635 and CM&StP 99344
 
More info at the link below...
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 
 


Re: GN 50ft boxcar in two-tone paint scheme lettered as STORAGE MAIL EXPRESS (in 1983!)

Tim O'Connor
 


I photographed this SAME car in 1991 in Denver (NMRA convention), near the old "union stock yards".

I hope someone preserved it. :-)

Tim O'Connor


On 5/10/2021 10:58 AM, Claus Schlund wrote:

Hi List Members,
 
GN 50ft boxcar in two-tone paint scheme lettered as
 
STORAGE MAIL
EXPRESS
 
and also spray painted TOOL CAR at Denver Union Station
 
 
Altho dated 1983, I suspect this car may have been in service in 1960 or earlier - others will know better than I do.
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


LS&I ds boxcar (road number might be 2003) Munising MI 1930

Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;)
 

Hi List Members,
 
LS&I ds boxcar (road number might be 2003) Munising MI 1930
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 

 


Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] A variety of steel boxcars, Chicago

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

That is a fabulous collection of cars.

 

I don’t know the classes of many cars, but I think the PRR box car to left is either class X29F or X29G, due to carbody, lettering in late Shadow Keystone sans serif “PRR”, and the deep side sill with “box” supports.

 

I think the car number begins with “605”, but can anyone make out the complete car number?

 

These cars were often used in appliance shipment out of mid-west states like Ohio and Indiana.  Its appearance in Chicago empty could make sense.

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
Sent: Monday, May 10, 2021 10:20 AM
To: STMFC <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] A variety of steel boxcars, Chicago

 

Hi List Members,

 

A variety of steel boxcars, Chicago

 

 

Enjoy!

 

Claus Schlund

 

 


GN 50ft boxcar in two-tone paint scheme lettered as STORAGE MAIL EXPRESS (in 1983!)

Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;)
 

Hi List Members,
 
GN 50ft boxcar in two-tone paint scheme lettered as
 
STORAGE MAIL
EXPRESS
 
and also spray painted TOOL CAR at Denver Union Station
 
 
Altho dated 1983, I suspect this car may have been in service in 1960 or earlier - others will know better than I do.
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund


Re: NP 25685 and other steel boxcars in Minneapolis

Tim O'Connor
 


Definitely 1962 or later. Beautiful picture, though.

Tim O'Connor


On 5/9/2021 12:22 PM, Claus Schlund wrote:

Hi List Members,
 
NP 25685 and other steel boxcars in Minneapolis
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


A busy time at the team track Chicago 1934

Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;)
 

Hi List Members,
 
A busy time at the team track Chicago 1934 - an image I find to be spectacular that simply transports us back more than 90 years into the past
 
"Men with products on trucks and horse-drawn wagons near train at Chicago Northwestern Railroad Depot"
 
It is clearly wintertime - everyone is wearing their coats, even the horses!
 
 
Quite a number of things immediately jump out at me, a few of them are...
 
(1) Note how many businesses were still using horses to get the job done in this relatively late 1934 date
 
(2) Note how a few of the conveyances are positioned for side-loading, but the vast majority are positioned for diagonal loading, at maybe a 45 degree angle relative to the freight car involved. None of the vehicles has been positioned at a 90 degree angle against the freight cars - I would think this 90 degree angle would make for the easiest work, with the vehicle back loading door flush against the freight car side, but perhaps that would also entirely block the flow of all other vehicular traffic
 
(3) There is a building clearly marked RAILWAY EXPRESS AGENCY above the left end of the activity
 
More info can be found at the link below...
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 
 


Re: A variety of steel boxcars, Chicago

Tim O'Connor
 


Claus all of those IC terminal shots in Chicago are circa 1960 or slightly later. Many of them
contain views of piggyback cars. They are fabulous photos!

Tim O'Connor

On 5/10/2021 10:19 AM, Claus wrote:

Hi List Members,
 
A variety of steel boxcars, Chicago
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


A variety of steel boxcars, Chicago

Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;)
 

Hi List Members,
 
A variety of steel boxcars, Chicago
 
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 
 


Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] B&O Gon Carrying Big Inch Pipe

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Well done, Mike!

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Schleigh Mike via groups.io
Sent: Monday, May 10, 2021 9:26 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io; main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] B&O Gon Carrying Big Inch Pipe

 

The car number is 260986 making it an O-59a (260500-260999) from 1940.

 

Mike Schleigh in Grove City, Penna.

 

On Monday, May 10, 2021, 08:56:39 AM EDT, Gatwood, Elden J SAD <elden.j.gatwood@...> wrote:

 

 

Bruce, Group;

 

This guy looks like it might be a B&O O-59.  What do you think?

 

This definitely looks like it is on one of the tracks inside National Tube Company in McKeesport, PA.  That building in back looks like one of the oldies in that plant I saw back in the day while railfanning the area.

 

B&O interchanged here through McKeesport Connecting RR, to their own tracks, also P&LE and PRR.

 

Elden Gatwood

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bruce Griffin
Sent: Sunday, May 9, 2021 3:12 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] B&O Gon Carrying Big Inch Pipe

 

I’m sharing a post from the B&0 IO group that would be of interest to some on this list. 
--

May 8   #5359  

 

Hello to all.

 

While looking at pipeline pages I came across this neat photo.

 

B&O 260986 is a 1940-vintage, Bethlehem Steel, 52’ - 6” steel, flat bottom, drop end, cushion underframe gondola.

 

In the photo it is hauling the first load of 24-inch pipe for the Big Inch and Little Big Inch pipelines built in WW-2.

 

Pipe was made by National Tube but I cannot read the small print to see what city it was.

National Tube had several locations but probably in McKeesport, PA.

 

I searched on the car number and it seems that Tangent Scale Model made a model with this car number. Cool.

https://www.tangentscalemodels.com/product/baltimore-ohio-bo-o-59a-capitol-dome/

https://www.tangentscalemodels.com/bethlehem-70-ton-riveted-drop-end-gondola/

 

Photos of National Tube in McKeesport, PA

national tube mckeesport pa

 

 

 

Bruce D. Griffin
Ashland, MD
https://bomodeling.com/blog/

 


Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] B&O Gon Carrying Big Inch Pipe

Schleigh Mike
 

The car number is 260986 making it an O-59a (260500-260999) from 1940.

Mike Schleigh in Grove City, Penna.

On Monday, May 10, 2021, 08:56:39 AM EDT, Gatwood, Elden J SAD <elden.j.gatwood@...> wrote:


Bruce, Group;

 

This guy looks like it might be a B&O O-59.  What do you think?

 

This definitely looks like it is on one of the tracks inside National Tube Company in McKeesport, PA.  That building in back looks like one of the oldies in that plant I saw back in the day while railfanning the area.

 

B&O interchanged here through McKeesport Connecting RR, to their own tracks, also P&LE and PRR.

 

Elden Gatwood

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bruce Griffin
Sent: Sunday, May 9, 2021 3:12 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] B&O Gon Carrying Big Inch Pipe

 

I’m sharing a post from the B&0 IO group that would be of interest to some on this list. 
--

May 8   #5359  

 

Hello to all.

 

While looking at pipeline pages I came across this neat photo.

 

B&O 260986 is a 1940-vintage, Bethlehem Steel, 52’ - 6” steel, flat bottom, drop end, cushion underframe gondola.

 

In the photo it is hauling the first load of 24-inch pipe for the Big Inch and Little Big Inch pipelines built in WW-2.

 

Pipe was made by National Tube but I cannot read the small print to see what city it was.

National Tube had several locations but probably in McKeesport, PA.

 

I searched on the car number and it seems that Tangent Scale Model made a model with this car number. Cool.

https://www.tangentscalemodels.com/product/baltimore-ohio-bo-o-59a-capitol-dome/

https://www.tangentscalemodels.com/bethlehem-70-ton-riveted-drop-end-gondola/

 

Photos of National Tube in McKeesport, PA

national tube mckeesport pa

 

 

 

Bruce D. Griffin
Ashland, MD
https://bomodeling.com/blog/

 


Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] B&O Gon Carrying Big Inch Pipe

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Bruce, Group;

 

This guy looks like it might be a B&O O-59.  What do you think?

 

This definitely looks like it is on one of the tracks inside National Tube Company in McKeesport, PA.  That building in back looks like one of the oldies in that plant I saw back in the day while railfanning the area.

 

B&O interchanged here through McKeesport Connecting RR, to their own tracks, also P&LE and PRR.

 

Elden Gatwood

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bruce Griffin
Sent: Sunday, May 9, 2021 3:12 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] B&O Gon Carrying Big Inch Pipe

 

I’m sharing a post from the B&0 IO group that would be of interest to some on this list. 
--

May 8   

 

Hello to all.

 

While looking at pipeline pages I came across this neat photo.

 

B&O 260986 is a 1940-vintage, Bethlehem Steel, 52’ - 6” steel, flat bottom, drop end, cushion underframe gondola.

 

In the photo it is hauling the first load of 24-inch pipe for the Big Inch and Little Big Inch pipelines built in WW-2.

 

Pipe was made by National Tube but I cannot read the small print to see what city it was.

National Tube had several locations but probably in McKeesport, PA.

 

I searched on the car number and it seems that Tangent Scale Model made a model with this car number. Cool.

 

Photos of National Tube in McKeesport, PA

 

 

 

Bruce D. Griffin
Ashland, MD
https://bomodeling.com/blog/

 

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