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cars for sale

Bill McCoy
 

I have the following kits for sale. All are new in box.

Bowser #55874 70 ton 2 bay covered hopper ACL 88332 dark gray, NIB,
$6.00

Bowser #55466, PRR K-9 Stock Car, PRR 131054, NIB, $6.00

Bowser # 55451, PRR K-11 Stock Car, PRR 130505, NIB, $6.00

Tichy #4025 ICC 103 large dome tank car. NIB, 6.00

Also,

Bowser #55694,70 ton 2 bay covered hopper L&N 38372 "The Dixie Line"
assembled with Kadees. $8.00

Buyer pays actual shipping. I prefer checks or money orders. No
Paypal.

Please contact me off line if interested.

Bill McCoy
Jax, FL 904-646-3485
E mail wpmccoy@...


Re: Freight yard

Tim O'Connor
 

Neat shot -- and look at those clean steam locos! Is that a CB&Q 50ft
single sheathed car in the far right background?

Schuyler wrote:


Re: Southern Covered Hopper

Tim O'Connor
 

Schuyler

That looks like either a PS 4000 or an ACF clone. No HO
models available. The AHM is a PS 2893, and yes the
Southern did have some 2893's including ex-CofG and
they ran in green letters in the mid 1970's through
the 1980's. The latest Athearn 2893 model in Southern
green is stenciled with a date of 1977.

Into the drawer it goes... you can run it during the
(hack cough) modern era op session.

Tim O'Connor

Well, sorry folks for putting you to all that trouble, and not communicating that I was asking about
a three bay car, not two. I meant one like this:

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/sout/sou6826akg.jpg

But from the discussion I gather that this style of paint didn't appear until ~1960? If that's the
case, well . . . rats! One of my better weathering jobs looks a lot like that photo, albeit on a
Robin's Rails version of the venerable AHM kit. But the Club's target date is 1955. So it has to
go in the drawer.

SGL


Re: Wabash 65' mill gons

Tim O'Connor
 

Richard

Sorry, S-3 was just a typo. I meant A-3. The bolsters resemble
photos I've seen of a "Barber lateral motion" style. They're
definitely not A-3 bolsters. I'll send you the scan and maybe
you can identify it. For all I know maybe it's one of yours!

Tim

On Mar 22, 2008, at 3:45 PM, Tim O'Connor wrote:

A fine 1959 photo of Wabash #12046 shows what looks like 70 ton
ASF S-3 truck sideframes, with 2 springs in the front, and Barber
"ride control" bolsters. These trucks have no spring plank. No
HO scale model is an exact match.
Tim, you're confused (and confusing) here. The ASF ride control trucks
were A-3s, not S-3s. Barber Stabilized trucks used "S" designations,
as in "S-2A." And ASF A-3s didn't have Barber "ride control" bolsters,
since they had their own spring-loaded wedge snubbers built in. In any
case, the trucks you're citing on WAB 12046 must have been
replacements, as all the builder's photos show spring-plankless
self-aligning AAR trucks; in fact, ASF A-3 trucks did not become
commercially available until 1944.

Richard Hendrickson


Freight yard

Schuyler Larrabee
 

http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-03-22-08/y_DLW_Binghamton_turntable.jpg

In the background and fuzzy, but kinda interesting.


SGL
La vita e breve, mangiate prima il dolce!


Southern Flat/Gon's ?

fiddlertrain
 

Hi
Got to surfing the old Steam Era freightcars web scite the other night
and found the Smokey Mountain article about a new kit that at that time
being released from Smoky Mt. It was a flat car that looked like it had
been converted to a gon by extending the sides. It was unusual in that
it had a walkway through the ends and it was lettered both on the
gondola sidea and the older flat car portion also. Could anyone tell me
what its purpose was? I took an old flat car and duplicated it from the
pictures.
Thanks in advance
fiddler


Re: ATSF see through box car

Steve SANDIFER
 

This car was featured in a movie that the ATSF produced on proper car handling. It showed a crewman and his family who just purchased their first TV. It arrived in pieces. The problem was traced back to rough handling by rail crews.
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Subject: [STMFC] Re: ATSF see through box car


It seems to me that in my youth I got a photo of similar car built by
the Union Pacific. I can try to find it if anyone is interested....

Steve Kay

--- In STMFC@..., "Michael Bishop" <goldrod_1@...> wrote:
>
> After WWII the Santa Fe had a boxcar made with Plexiglas sides. The car
> was used to show how rough handling of the car affected the load. How
> long did this car last and was it ever rebuilt with steel sides? Thanks
> for any help.
>
> Michael
>


Re: Chili's Restaurant Commercial

Miles C
 

It looks like older Union and Southern Pacific MOW equipment, like the SP
chop-top 1958cuft covered hoppers converted to ballast , and the UP green
water car, with some flats. I may be incorrect, but it sure looks like it.


Re: ATSF see through box car

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Mar 21, 2008, at 10:32 PM, Michael Bishop wrote:

After WWII the Santa Fe had a boxcar made with Plexiglas sides. The car
was used to show how rough handling of the car affected the load. How
long did this car last and was it ever rebuilt with steel sides?
Thanks
for any help.
This car , numbered ATSF 10000, was converted in 1953 from Bx-63 class
AAR 40' box car ATSF 35579 and had removable plywood sides to protect
the clear panels when in transit. It remained in use as a claim
prevention demonstration car until ca. 1965.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: Santa Fe Ship and Travel cars with Train Names...

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Mar 22, 2008, at 7:30 AM, up4024 wrote:

Last week I purchased a set of Microscale Decals-- # 87-506, which is
labeled as "Santa Fe 40'& 50' box cars 1947-1959 Ship and Travel"
First of all, the train names (The Grand Canyon Line, The San
Francisco Chief, etc) seem to be too small for 50' cars. Am I
correct in assuming the train name logos were in two sizes for 40 and
50- footers?
True on the earlier map/slogan stenciling schemes, but not on the
post-1947 "Ship and Travel..." schemes with later style slogans. The
post-1947 slogans were the same size for both 40' and 50' cars.

Also, the decal placement sheet shows a 40' plug door
box with an orange door and "DF Insulated" markings. Can any one
tell me which HO model is best for this car? Also, is there a
website that explains which train name goes with which car number?
The Santa Fe owned only two classes of 40' RBs with plug doors and DF
loaders, classes Rr-62 and Rr-63. There were only fifteen Rr-62s, and
they were rebuilt in 1958 from 1952 Bx-63 class box cars specifically
to serve Campbell Soup. Aside from the doors, they were outwardly
standard postwar AAR steel box cars with early style Improved
Dreadnaught ends and diagonal panel roofs, so it might be possible to
kit-bash one from a Branchline box car kit, but modeling the doors and
the side sheathing on either side of the doors (which had diagonal
rivet courses) wouldn't be easy. There were thirty Rr-63s, also
rebuilt in 1958 for Campbell Soup service, and they were originally
Bx-11 class single sheathed cars rebuilt ca. 1948 with raised height
(accomplished by adding panels at the top of the ends), new steel sides
and side framing, and rectangular panel roofs. They would be even
harder to kit-bash, though I suppose almost anything is possible. What
is known about the correlation of car numbers to slogan assignments is
in my Santa Fe Freight Car Paint and Lettering book, published by the
Santa Fe RR Historical and Modeling Society. However, information
about post-WW-II cars is fragmentary, so for the Rr-62 and Rr-63
classes, you have to depend on photographic evidence, which I can
provide if you really decide to try and model those cars.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: Wabash 65' mill gons

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Mar 22, 2008, at 3:45 PM, Tim O'Connor wrote:

A fine 1959 photo of Wabash #12046 shows what looks like 70 ton
ASF S-3 truck sideframes, with 2 springs in the front, and Barber
"ride control" bolsters. These trucks have no spring plank. No
HO scale model is an exact match.
Tim, you're confused (and confusing) here. The ASF ride control trucks
were A-3s, not S-3s. Barber Stabilized trucks used "S" designations,
as in "S-2A." And ASF A-3s didn't have Barber "ride control" bolsters,
since they had their own spring-loaded wedge snubbers built in. In any
case, the trucks you're citing on WAB 12046 must have been
replacements, as all the builder's photos show spring-plankless
self-aligning AAR trucks; in fact, ASF A-3 trucks did not become
commercially available until 1944.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: Wabash 65' mill gons

Brian J Carlson <brian@...>
 

Thanks Tim and Richard. I usually expect to see 3 springs for 70-ton trucks
but clearly that isn't always the case. I'd like to add brake shoes to the
Athearn trucks. I have the Kadee parts. I'll see if any fit.

Brian J Carlson P.E.
Cheektowaga NY


Re: Southern Covered Hopper

Schuyler Larrabee
 

I asked about Southern Covered Hoppers

Let's start with the first criterion:

Did the Southern have any PS2 covered hoppers?

Second, if they did, were they painted in a scheme with "SOUTHERN" in large green block letters,
probably 30" high, with the car number below that, all centered lengthwise?

If that is two "yes" answers, the final question is: When did this scheme begin to be applied to
these cars? Before 1960? (I hope?)

SGL
La vita e breve, mangiate prima il dolce!
Well, sorry folks for putting you to all that trouble, and not communicating that I was asking about
a three bay car, not two. I meant one like this:

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/sout/sou6826akg.jpg

But from the discussion I gather that this style of paint didn't appear until ~1960? If that's the
case, well . . . rats! One of my better weathering jobs looks a lot like that photo, albeit on a
Robin's Rails version of the venerable AHM kit. But the Club's target date is 1955. So it has to
go in the drawer.

SGL


Re: Southern Covered Hopper

Tim O'Connor
 

#1475 that is... I should give up now.

At 3/22/2008 07:21 PM Saturday, you wrote:

My bad again... I see Kadee did CofG #1479... don't know
the series.


At 3/22/2008 07:18 PM Saturday, you wrote:
Ben, my bad.

I looked it up -- the 95439,95655 are ex-CofG cars. Kadee
has not done either the CofG or the Southern cars, but from
your roster notes it appears that they could... I wonder why
they haven't? (CofG series was 1000-1199)

Tim O'Connor


At 3/22/2008 07:10 PM Saturday, you wrote:
Tim O'Connor wrote:
"Can you elaborate? I have jpeg's of SOU 95439, 95655 and I
can't see any obvious difference from Kadee's hatch spacing."

This looks like the proof behind John's statement that the SOU 280178-
280277 and 319234-319293 series had the later hatch arrangement.
These must be later renumberings. Anyone have the original number
series?

Ben Hom


Re: Southern Covered Hopper

Tim O'Connor
 

My bad again... I see Kadee did CofG #1479... don't know
the series.

At 3/22/2008 07:18 PM Saturday, you wrote:
Ben, my bad.

I looked it up -- the 95439,95655 are ex-CofG cars. Kadee
has not done either the CofG or the Southern cars, but from
your roster notes it appears that they could... I wonder why
they haven't? (CofG series was 1000-1199)

Tim O'Connor


At 3/22/2008 07:10 PM Saturday, you wrote:
Tim O'Connor wrote:
"Can you elaborate? I have jpeg's of SOU 95439, 95655 and I
can't see any obvious difference from Kadee's hatch spacing."

This looks like the proof behind John's statement that the SOU 280178-
280277 and 319234-319293 series had the later hatch arrangement.
These must be later renumberings. Anyone have the original number
series?

Ben Hom


Re: Southern Covered Hopper

Tim O'Connor
 

Ben, my bad.

I looked it up -- the 95439,95655 are ex-CofG cars. Kadee
has not done either the CofG or the Southern cars, but from
your roster notes it appears that they could... I wonder why
they haven't? (CofG series was 1000-1199)

Tim O'Connor

At 3/22/2008 07:10 PM Saturday, you wrote:
Tim O'Connor wrote:
"Can you elaborate? I have jpeg's of SOU 95439, 95655 and I
can't see any obvious difference from Kadee's hatch spacing."

This looks like the proof behind John's statement that the SOU 280178-
280277 and 319234-319293 series had the later hatch arrangement.
These must be later renumberings. Anyone have the original number
series?

Ben Hom


Re: Southern Covered Hopper

benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
 

Tim O'Connor wrote:
"Can you elaborate? I have jpeg's of SOU 95439, 95655 and I
can't see any obvious difference from Kadee's hatch spacing."

This looks like the proof behind John's statement that the SOU 280178-
280277 and 319234-319293 series had the later hatch arrangement.
These must be later renumberings. Anyone have the original number
series?


Ben Hom


Re: Wabash 65' mill gons

Brian J Carlson <brian@...>
 

I originally asked about one of these cars last month. I picked one up at a
show. I want to finish off the detailing. Athearn numbered their cars 12017
and 12033, which fall in the 12000 - 12049 group built in 12-1941 by
Decatur shop. What trucks were used on these cars? The models appear to
come with the Standard Athearn 50-ton truck (self aligning spring
plankless). I would have expected a 70 ton truck with a 3 visible springs
either with or without spring planks. If the model should have a 70 ton
solid bearing trucks, what options are there in HO? I am not finding any
options in the Walthers Catalog or my parts box.

Brian J Carlson P.E.
Cheektowaga NY


Re: Wabash 65' mill gons

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Mar 22, 2008, at 4:06 PM, Brian J Carlson wrote:

I originally asked about one of these cars last month. I picked one up
at a
show. I want to finish off the detailing. Athearn numbered their cars
12017
and 12033, which fall in the 12000 - 12049 group built in 12-1941 by
Decatur shop. What trucks were used on these cars? The models appear
to
come with the Standard Athearn 50-ton truck (self aligning spring
plankless). I would have expected a 70 ton truck with a 3 visible
springs
either with or without spring planks. If the model should have a 70
ton
solid bearing trucks, what options are there in HO?...
Brian, the prototype cars had 70 ton AAR self aligning spring plankless
trucks with five-spring clusters (two springs visible). The Athearn
truck is actually a pretty good representation of them; no doubt it was
intended to represent a 50 ton truck, but the journal boxes are
somewhat oversize, as on most HO scale trucks. I just got one of the
models myself and I intend to leave the Athearn trucks on it (though
with Code 88 wheels, of course).

Richard Hendrickson


Re: Wabash 65' mill gons

Tim O'Connor
 

A fine 1959 photo of Wabash #12046 shows what looks like 70 ton
ASF S-3 truck sideframes, with 2 springs in the front, and Barber
"ride control" bolsters. These trucks have no spring plank. No
HO scale model is an exact match.

Tim O'Connor

At 3/22/2008 07:06 PM Saturday, you wrote:
I originally asked about one of these cars last month. I picked one up at a
show. I want to finish off the detailing. Athearn numbered their cars 12017
and 12033, which fall in the 12000 - 12049 group built in 12-1941 by
Decatur shop. What trucks were used on these cars? The models appear to
come with the Standard Athearn 50-ton truck (self aligning spring
plankless). I would have expected a 70 ton truck with a 3 visible springs
either with or without spring planks. If the model should have a 70 ton
solid bearing trucks, what options are there in HO? I am not finding any
options in the Walthers Catalog or my parts box.

Brian J Carlson P.E.
Cheektowaga NY