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Kadee #58 couplers & metal wheelsets

Carrock1998@...
 

Jack and group,

Gid you order them direct or is their a discount hobby store where you
ordered yours from? I'm fairely new to the hobby so I have a related question.
Besides couplers, to make my freight cars look prototypical to the steam era
and improve operations I should replace any plastic wheelsets that I have with
metal ones. However, when I went to purchase a couple of NWSL wheels I
discovered that they come in various sizes. This was just totally bewildering to
me. How do I determine which is the right size? Do I use the same size for
my entire fleet? I've noticed that several of my cars have RP-25 wheelsets.
Are these compatible with NWSL or do I need to change them as well? Thanks
for your assistance.

Robert "Rocky" Jackson

Thanks Mark...I just ordered about 90 pair...

Yes, Jack. I converted and love the way they make the
cars appear, especially a hopper or tankcar.>
Sincerely, Mark Morgan






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Sunsnine kits website

Jim & Lisa Hayes <jimandlisa97225@...>
 

I have created an unofficial Sunshine Models website. It contains my
All-time lists plus current price lists, PDFs of recent flyers, info on
upcoming meets, and links to other steam era resin kit manufacturers.



If you see any errors or updates that are needed or have fresher info,
especially on upcoming Sunshine appearances, please let me know.



Try it at www.sunshinekits.com <http://www.sunshinekits.com/> and let me
know what you think.



Jim Hayes

Portland Oregon


Re: Justifying a USRA 40' gon in 1958

John Hile <john66h@...>
 

--- In STMFC@..., "George" <gsc3@...> wrote:

Is there anyway to justify a USRA 40' gon in 1958?
George,

At one point I did some research to see what unmodified (or least
modified) 40' USRA cars were still listed in the 1/53 ORER -- either
with composite sides or steel sides. Below are my notes and the 1/53
ORER number series for you to check circa 1958...

ACL 90000-90499 steel sides, 249 cars
ACL 99300-99443, 141 cars
GM&O 12200-12374 most w/solid floors, 170 cars
GM&O 44000-44249 steel sides, 249 cars
KCS 28300-28499 steel sides, solid floors or wine locks, d'naught end,
186 cars
L&N 73000-74999, 19 cars
MP 70501-73500 steel sides, 388 cars
PRR 751044-751329 G24 solid floors, steel sides, 136 cars
PRR 775755-775965 G24 solid floors, steel sides, 99 cars
PRR 882514-882563 G24 former GR&I, solid floors, steel sides, 28 cars
PRR 351473-351872 G24 former LIRR, solid floors, steel sides, 282 cars
SLSF 85000-85999 solid floors, 358 cars

Additions and/or corrections are welcome.

Hope this helps,

John Hile


UP subsidiaries ICC Valuation

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Does anyone on the list have, or know someone who has, the ICC Valuation Reports for the UP subsidiaries (LA&SL, OWR&N, OSL etc.)? I have the parent railroad report but not the subs. And yes, I know I can always go to Suitland and copy them for myself--was hoping someone already has copies. Thanks in advance for any help.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Sunshine FGEX, BREX, & WFEX war emergency reefers

pierreoliver2003 <pierre.oliver@...>
 

Thanks Bruce.
As it turns out that is exactly the answer I was hoping for. Under the
circumstances maybe I should go out and buy a lottery ticket today as
well.
Pierre Oliver

--- In STMFC@..., Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:


On Mar 10, 2008, at 11:55 AM, pierreoliver2003 wrote:

I'm about to start some of the reefere kits mentioned in the subject
line. There's a discrepancy between the instructions and the PDS
regarding painting.
The instructions call for the roof to be painted silver, while the PDS
states that the roof should be painted freight car red like the ends.
So which is correct?
Pierre Oliver
Pierre,

Both are. It depends on era <G>. In the early 1950s, some of "our
companies" reefers got silver roofs. Up until that time the roof was
always red.

Regards
Bruce

Bruce F. Smith
Auburn, AL
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Re: Sunshine FGEX, BREX, & WFEX war emergency reefers

Bruce Smith
 

On Mar 10, 2008, at 11:55 AM, pierreoliver2003 wrote:

I'm about to start some of the reefere kits mentioned in the subject
line. There's a discrepancy between the instructions and the PDS
regarding painting.
The instructions call for the roof to be painted silver, while the PDS
states that the roof should be painted freight car red like the ends.
So which is correct?
Pierre Oliver
Pierre,

Both are. It depends on era <G>. In the early 1950s, some of "our companies" reefers got silver roofs. Up until that time the roof was always red.

Regards
Bruce

Bruce F. Smith
Auburn, AL
http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu/index.pl/bruce_f._smith2

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Sunshine FGEX, BREX, & WFEX war emergency reefers

pierreoliver2003 <pierre.oliver@...>
 

I'm about to start some of the reefere kits mentioned in the subject
line. There's a discrepancy between the instructions and the PDS
regarding painting.
The instructions call for the roof to be painted silver, while the PDS
states that the roof should be painted freight car red like the ends.
So which is correct?
Pierre Oliver


FW: [nvmrc] check out National Steel Car's lively website

Aley, Jeff A
 

It appears that National Steel Car's PR dept has too much money.
Nevertheless, it's an interesting website; STMFC folks should try the
"Heritage" link.



http://www.steelcar.com/ <http://www.steelcar.com/>



Regards,



-Jeff





________________________________

From: nvmrc@... [mailto:nvmrc@...] On Behalf Of
John Rodgers
Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2008 12:35 AM

At 5:36 PM -0800 3/7/08, MICHAEL SHYLANSKI wrote:
Whoa. I had not checked the National Steel Car website in some
time. Did I get a surprise. It's flashy and full of colorful video
clips and new world music.
http://www.steelcar.com/ <http://www.steelcar.com/>
Not exactly what we'd expect from a railroad car builder.
Check out this Canadian company's website; it's quite entertaining.
Speakers on...John


Re: Justifying a USRA 40' gon in 1958

Charlie Vlk
 

The CB&Q liked the USRA composite gondola design very much, but AFAIK all the originals were gone by the 1950s..... I haven't studied the OERs to see how long theirs lasted.
They made copies which did last through the BN merger.... one of the "signature" Q cars..... very similar to the USRA design but with the bottom ends of the steel structure exposed
below the side sheathing.
The Kalmbach Modeling the 1950's book states that the composite cars were phased out in favor of more modern steel cars. This is not completely true.... at least on the Q. The
CB&Q had early all-steel general service gondolas but found that they did not hold up in coal service and phased them out in favor of the USRA cars and clones. I know that the
MILW also used their composite gons into the game, some stripped down to "peek a boo" cars for pipe service and other such commodities. The Rock Island converted their WWII
emergency 50' gons for TOFC service.
A review of the OER would tell the complete story on the USRA 40' composite gons for the roads that had them....
Charlie Vlk


Re: A USRA gon in 1958

Bruce Smith
 

On Mar 10, 2008, at 9:50 AM, George wrote:

I should rephrase what I asked. Did any road run USRA gondolas in
1958 with rebuilt steel sides. Not looking for complete rebuilds.
Just a railroad that replaced the wood sides with steel.
Thanks,
George Courtney
George,

The PRR listed 6 G24 (USRA, 50 ton) class gons in 1958 and 1 in 1963 in the ORER. All of these cars would have had steel sides. I do not know if these particular cars had rebuilt ends (some did, some did not) Not a real big fleet ;^) but considering that these were built in 1920 and rebuilt to steel sides before WWII...

Regards
Bruce

Bruce F. Smith
Auburn, AL
http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu/index.pl/bruce_f._smith2

"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."
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A USRA gon in 1958

George Courtney
 

I should rephrase what I asked. Did any road run USRA gondolas in
1958 with rebuilt steel sides. Not looking for complete rebuilds.
Just a railroad that replaced the wood sides with steel.
Thanks,
George Courtney


UP S-40-10

destron@...
 

Hi,

I saw a photo of UP 49191 and noticed yet another application of a
vertically-ribbed end, in yet another variation: this one seems to be a
5+5 outward, with blank spaces at either side (no ribs under the ladder,
or on the corresponding space on the opposite side).

I'm curious, did all the cars in this series have this end?

Frank Valoczy
Vancouver, BC

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Re: Fred Harvey Express cars

Jon Miller <atsf@...>
 

Photos seem to be very rare. Can anyone guide me to some photos.
The only pix I have is from a book Santa Fe Railway Passenger Car
Reference series - Volume One head End Cars by Ellington and Shine.<

The pictures in the book are of the early 1888 or so wood car.
To my knowledge no pictures have been found of the GAC cars which were in three versions, as built (wood), rebuilt (metal applied), and last different doors, etc.

Jon Miller
AT&SF
For me time has stopped in 1941
Digitrax, Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI user
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Re: photographic print vs. scan

Rob Kirkham <rdkirkham@...>
 

Agreed - I'm no more interested in depriving a good source of its revenue than the next guy. I still wonder whether the list of photos is permissible however. It is something they give only to members...

Rob

----- Original Message -----
From: "Schuyler Larrabee" <schuyler.larrabee@...>
To: <STMFC@...>
Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2008 8:17 PM
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Re: photographic print vs. scan


Well, OK, I apologize at the flame. This just is one sore subject with me, and most anybody else
who is involved with trying to keep an archive whole, complete, dry and accessible.

SGL

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Rob Kirkham
Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2008 7:11 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: photographic print vs. scan

The thread had moved on to the PDF list of photos Schuyler, not the photos
themselves. I didn't make that clear enough in the e-mail.

Rob Kirkham,
----- Original Message -----
From: "Schuyler Larrabee" <schuyler.larrabee@... <mailto:schuyler.larrabee%40verizon.net>

To: <STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> >
Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2008 4:07 PM
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Re: photographic print vs. scan

There sure is. NMRA charges those fees because they have to support a
building, staff, and
equipment to make it so you can BUY a copy from them. You have the right
to use if for your
personal purposes, but not to publish it. Putting it on a web page is
publication.

As a Board member of a railroad historical society which scrapes money
together (and out of my
pocket in the process) I would be absolutely BULL >>>> if someone did that
with something from our
archive.

Go buy your own copy.

SGL

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:STMFC@...
<mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of
Rob Kirkham
Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2008 6:41 PM
To: STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: photographic print vs. scan

Would there be any reason a copy of the PDF file couldn't be posted into
the
files section of this list?

Rob Kirkham
----- Original Message -----
From: "gn3397" <heninger@... <mailto:heninger%40medicine.nodak.edu>
<mailto:heninger%40medicine.nodak.edu> >
To: <STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2008 9:57 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: photographic print vs. scan

Group,

According to the research assistant at the Kalmbach Library, the
prints are actually
printed from a scan of the photo. I was also told that to burn the
scans
to a CD would
result in a charge of $5.00 for the first photo, and then I would only
be
billed a $15.00/hr
research fee dependent on how long it will take them to burn the CD.
This
seems to be
contrary to their website fee schedule. I sent my order by email late
Friday afternoon, so I
expect an email back early next week informing me of the actual cost.

As to the 100,000 photos, I am guessing that a significant percentage
are steam
locomotive "roster shots" by a gentleman named Harold Miller. There are
a
good number
of steam era freight car photos, however. If you have Kline and
Culotta's
book, you already
have about 350 of them. They will be happy to send you a PDF list of
what
they have (at no
cost if you are a member), and the turnaround is less than 24 hours.
There were about
15-20 GN photos that weren' t in the book, and about 50 PRR boxcar
photos
that didn' t
make the cut.

Hope this information is helpful to some of you.

Sincerely,
Robert D. Heninger
Stanley, ND




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N&G HO top of mast GRS 2A factory built available

Andy Carlson
 

NP B&O NYC GN and many others........


Terry Wegmann, principal of N&G Signal Co. has finished his latest HO semaphore, the GRS 2-A Top Of Mast single semaphore. Assembled and painted (and operable with a later to be released servo mechanism), available in both Yellow blade w/ chevron stripe Home signal. and a Red distant blade signal with a straight stripe.

Priced at $95.00 each (plus $5.00 priority shipping for up to 4 signals)
Please contact me off-list at <midcentury@...) if interested. Thanks,
-Andy


Re: photographic print vs. scan

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Well, OK, I apologize at the flame. This just is one sore subject with me, and most anybody else
who is involved with trying to keep an archive whole, complete, dry and accessible.

SGL

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Rob Kirkham
Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2008 7:11 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: photographic print vs. scan

The thread had moved on to the PDF list of photos Schuyler, not the photos
themselves. I didn't make that clear enough in the e-mail.

Rob Kirkham,
----- Original Message -----
From: "Schuyler Larrabee" <schuyler.larrabee@... <mailto:schuyler.larrabee%40verizon.net>

To: <STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> >
Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2008 4:07 PM
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Re: photographic print vs. scan

There sure is. NMRA charges those fees because they have to support a
building, staff, and
equipment to make it so you can BUY a copy from them. You have the right
to use if for your
personal purposes, but not to publish it. Putting it on a web page is
publication.

As a Board member of a railroad historical society which scrapes money
together (and out of my
pocket in the process) I would be absolutely BULL >>>> if someone did that
with something from our
archive.

Go buy your own copy.

SGL

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:STMFC@...
<mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of
Rob Kirkham
Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2008 6:41 PM
To: STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: photographic print vs. scan

Would there be any reason a copy of the PDF file couldn't be posted into
the
files section of this list?

Rob Kirkham
----- Original Message -----
From: "gn3397" <heninger@... <mailto:heninger%40medicine.nodak.edu>
<mailto:heninger%40medicine.nodak.edu> >
To: <STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2008 9:57 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: photographic print vs. scan

Group,

According to the research assistant at the Kalmbach Library, the
prints are actually
printed from a scan of the photo. I was also told that to burn the
scans
to a CD would
result in a charge of $5.00 for the first photo, and then I would only
be
billed a $15.00/hr
research fee dependent on how long it will take them to burn the CD.
This
seems to be
contrary to their website fee schedule. I sent my order by email late
Friday afternoon, so I
expect an email back early next week informing me of the actual cost.

As to the 100,000 photos, I am guessing that a significant percentage
are steam
locomotive "roster shots" by a gentleman named Harold Miller. There are
a
good number
of steam era freight car photos, however. If you have Kline and
Culotta's
book, you already
have about 350 of them. They will be happy to send you a PDF list of
what
they have (at no
cost if you are a member), and the turnaround is less than 24 hours.
There were about
15-20 GN photos that weren' t in the book, and about 50 PRR boxcar
photos
that didn' t
make the cut.

Hope this information is helpful to some of you.

Sincerely,
Robert D. Heninger
Stanley, ND




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Re: Camel-Allen Door Hardware

Steve Lucas <stevelucas3@...>
 

This SP drop-bottom gon is very similar to 40' Enterprise GS gons
built for CN, and 36' cars built by the Eastern Car Co. in Nova
Scotia for the Intercolonial Ry. and GTR (taken into CN stock by
1923).

There are many modellers looking for this gon in Canada, too!

Steve Lucas.



--- In STMFC@..., "Jerry" <jrs060@...> wrote:

--- In STMFC@..., "Tom Madden" <tgmadden@> wrote:

" Very nice image of an SP drop-bottom gon"
Tom Madden

Yes it sure is a nice image, you know Tom I think you my have
hit the
nail right on the head here. This is a car we really need badly,
the old
style Enterprise drop bottom gondolas. Now this would make an
interesting model for Athearn , but alas, all we will get is yet
another
wack-ball Santa Fe car that there were only 125 of, or something
like
that ?
Fondly wishing, regards, Jerry
Stewart

Woodstock, Illinois


Re: poultry cars

Kathe Robin <kathe@...>
 

Has anyone come across any color data for any of these cars?

Max

-----Original Message-----
Subject: [STMFC] poultry cars

Hello Everyone,

The Live Poultry Transit Company named their cars.
The name was placed above the door. Chantacleer and
Kernan are two that I found.

John F. Riba

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Re: photographic print vs. scan

Schuyler Larrabee
 

bobsphoto.train@...

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Frank Pearsall
Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2008 7:35 AM
To: STMFC@...
Cc: Frank Pearsall
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: photographic print vs. scan

Good:

Bob's address is:

PO Box 209
Farmers, KY 40319-0209

No e-mail or website.

Yesterday, I attended the SER, Piedmont Division Train Show in
Marietta, Georgia (just North of Atlanta). Bob was there and I was
able to purchase some nice WW I equipment photos. He's doing well.
This was the first time he had attended this particular show.

Frank Pearsall
Brevard, N.C.
Narrow Trak 08 (October 10, 11, 2008)

On Mar 8, 2008, at 7:53 PM, CYRIL DURRENBERGER wrote:

Does anyone know how to contact Bob's Photos besides attending one
of the shows he attends?

Cyril Durrenberger


Re: photographic print vs. scan

water.kresse@...
 

I have three images coming from an automobile company archive that are being donated as a courtesy, but require that any inter-net posting of the article using them must be posted in less than 100 dpi or water-marked. Their thumbnails are typically 72 dpi at a some reduced size . . . .OK for a draft space fillers only. Folks who can develop prints these days are becoming rare birds . . . and most are historian/artists (vs. business persons). You need to make more than one at a time to be cost effective. Chemicals go bad sitting around and they don't always develope out the same even if well-noted the last time around.

The C&O Historical Society still has a mixture of "slave labor" and paid professionals processing digital images, and digital prints, these days. That keeps our costs down a bit. Printers and scanners are becoming "better values" these days also . . . . but it still takes comfort with your particular software, skill, and an "eye" to produce quality prints or images for publications.

Al Kresse

-------------- Original message --------------
From: Rob Kirkham <rdkirkham@...>
Would there be any reason a copy of the PDF file couldn't be posted into the
files section of this list?

Rob Kirkham
----- Original Message -----
From: "gn3397" <heninger@...>
To: <STMFC@...>
Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2008 9:57 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: photographic print vs. scan

Group,

According to the research assistant at the Kalmbach Library, the
prints are actually
printed from a scan of the photo. I was also told that to burn the scans
to a CD would
result in a charge of $5.00 for the first photo, and then I would only be
billed a $15.00/hr
research fee dependent on how long it will take them to burn the CD. This
seems to be
contrary to their website fee schedule. I sent my order by email late
Friday afternoon, so I
expect an email back early next week informing me of the actual cost.

As to the 100,000 photos, I am guessing that a significant percentage
are steam
locomotive "roster shots" by a gentleman named Harold Miller. There are a
good number
of steam era freight car photos, however. If you have Kline and Culotta's
book, you already
have about 350 of them. They will be happy to send you a PDF list of what
they have (at no
cost if you are a member), and the turnaround is less than 24 hours.
There were about
15-20 GN photos that weren' t in the book, and about 50 PRR boxcar photos
that didn' t
make the cut.

Hope this information is helpful to some of you.

Sincerely,
Robert D. Heninger
Stanley, ND




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