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Re: Kit needed

Scott Pitzer
 

--- In STMFC@..., "benjaminfrank_hom" <b.hom@...> wrote:
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/acy/acy3918jwa.jpg "
Of course, there's another intersting car just out of the photo -
the NKP end-door car coupled to the right, which appears to have the
recessed side sill of a rebuilt boxcar.

Ben Hom
According to Sunshine Models Prototype Data Sheet #64A, NKP 25000-25099
were rebuilds from 1947-48, with 7' doors and end doors (and indented
Murphy B end.) They were soon renumbered to 4300-4399 because of the
NKP's acquisition of the W&LE.
I don't know the kit number (I bought the similar rebuild with solid,
indented Hutchins ends.)
Scott Pitzer


Re: Speedwitch delivery time

tmolsen@...
 

Steve,

In addition to Tom Madden's reply, I can also add that Ted is also behind due to his casting person having had a heart attack sometime in mid-December which put kit production behind.

I saw Ted at the Timonium Md., train show and he said that he hoped to be back on track in time for the California shows, but that he could not push his casting person's health problems.

So in this case, it is a matter of patience as Ted will eventually catch up hopefully by the end of March when he attends the Eastern Phila. Division-NMRA RPM meet the last weekend of this month.

Regards,

Tom Olsen
7 Boundary Road, West Branch
Newark, Delaware, 19711-7479
(302) 738-4292
tmolsen@...


Re: Kit needed

Bill Darnaby
 

Ben writes,

Of course, there's another intersting car just out of the photo -
the NKP end-door car coupled to the right, which appears to have the
recessed side sill of a rebuilt boxcar.

This would be a neat kitbash - I'm tempted to add it to the "to do"
list!
Kitbashing seems like a lot of bother when you can buy the Sunshine kit <g>. See the 64.xx series.

Bill Darnaby


Re: Speedwitch delivery time

SUVCWORR@...
 

In a message dated 3/7/2008 2:51:49 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
tgmadden@... writes:

I think Ted is in California now for Sunshine's two mini-meets. I
placed an order through his web site in mid-October and received the
kits in January. In the interim Ted had a hard drive crash that
required regenerating the instruction sheets for some of his kits, plus
he was sick for a while. And had Naperville and Cocoa Beach to contend
with.



I can understand the backlog of kits. But what about books and decals?
Seems that would be a simple case of tossing them in an envelope and mailing
them. Just trying to get an idea of the turnaround time not complaining at all.

Rich Orr



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Re: Glue for resin freight cars

D. Port Jr.
 

Thanks Al,

I bought that video a few years ago, I forgot I had it!
I know it is around here somewhere!

Thanks Again.

Dan

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To: <STMFC@...>
Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 10:37 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Glue for resin freight cars


Dan - We offer a 165-minute how-to video of building our kits. It discusses how to use cyanoacrylate in detail. See our web site www.westerfield.biz for details. - Al Westerfield
----- Original Message -----
From: D. Port Jr.
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 8:51 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Glue for resin freight cars


Hi,

I am about to start work on my first resin kit. A Westerfield G25B Gondola.

My first question: is this glue http://www.horizonhobby.com/Products/Default.aspx?ProdID=MEUM5T2OZ good for working on Westerfield and Sunshine kits?

Also what type of tools do i need and any other advice someone can give me on building resin cars would be great.

Thank you for your help.

Dan Port Jr.










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Re: Glue for resin freight cars and building them...

D. Port Jr.
 

Thanks for your help Eldon and everyone who answered my question.

Lots of good information.

Once I get done with the cars I have, I am going to have to buy some more kits!

Dan

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gatwood, Elden J SAD " <Elden.J.Gatwood@...>
To: <STMFC@...>
Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 7:32 AM
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Glue for resin freight cars and building them...


Dan;



That kit is a good choice. It is pretty easy. There are not too many grabs
or add-on parts!



I have found that cyanoacrylate (CA) cement (a.k.a., "Super Glue") works best
on these guys, and the nice thing is, you can buy cheap, FRESH, super glue in
those little tubes, which are much better than the big bottles (you will
never use it all before it either gets old, or goops up the tip and causes
problems getting it out), from any place like "W__-Mart" or "H_me Depot", any
time you need it. They have such high turnover on glue that it is almost
always VERY fresh, which is very important with those kinds of cements, since
as they age, they lose their ability to "set up". There is nothing more
aggravating then bad cement!



Buy some 400- and 600-grit sandpaper. Tape a piece to a flat surface (like
my glass coffee table), and then you can sand off all the flash by just
rubbing it against the paper until it is thin enough to rub away. Take a
nice new hobby knife and shave away any remaining flash on the edges, but be
careful you don't shave off rivets and such along the edges! With the little
parts, you can just cut them off the backing, and then clean up the edges by
rubbing the edge against the sandpaper. I use sanding sticks, too.



You need a nice little pin vise, and some (buy at least a few) #78 bits, so
when you break one, you will have spares. A #74 is good to drill holes for
the stirrup steps. I replace all mine with A-Line metal ones, since I am so
good breaking any other ones off. I glue some styrene blocks on the back of
the side behind where each stirrup mounts, and then I have a nice, thick
"pad" to drill into and mount them in. You also need a #50 to drill the
holes for the 2-56 screws you will use for mounting the trucks.



Lots of folks use a simple plastic-headed tack, as a starter for all those
little holes you drill for the grabs. Just push the tip into the resin
surface to create a little dimple where you need one. The G25B comes with
many of the dimples in place, so you may only need this to make sure you get
it right on all of them.



I have shaky hands, so I hold my model between my knees sitting on the floor
with my back against the couch, but you can also figure your own way of
keeping the model steady while you drill. I balance the pin vise with my
left hand holding the tip in place, while spinning the body of the pin vise
with my right hand. Back the bit out occasionally, so it doesn't hang up in
the hole (and break the tip off). Blow or rub the resin shavings out of the
flutes when you back it out, so there is nothing to bind up in the hole.



I have a great little tool I now rely on heavily. It is called a "Magic
Clasp" or something similar, from Micro-Mark. It is essentially, a locking
small plier. I used it to grip and hold grabs, so I can cut the legs off
short, and then I dip the tips of the legs into a pool of cement I have
created on an old tub lid. I then use the pliers to shove the tips of the
legs of the grab into the drilled holes and jockey it around until it looks
straight and equal distance from the base (the grab should be a scale 3~4"
off the surface). When I am satisfied, I grip the handles a little tighter
and it releases the grab. Presto!



Oh, and you need a set of flush-cutting pliers and sprue cutters. They are
really good for cutting grabs off short and cutting wire, and cutting plastic
parts off of sprues, respectively. Those are my key tools; knife, gripping
pliers, flush-cutters, sprue cutter, pin vise & bits...oh, use a nice, strong
light! Bad lighting equals bad results.



Why don't you get started, and then you will have more questions...



Have fun!



Elden Gatwood



________________________________

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of D.
Port Jr.
Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 9:51 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Glue for resin freight cars



Hi,

I am about to start work on my first resin kit. A Westerfield G25B Gondola.

My first question: is this glue
http://www.horizonhobby.com/Products/Default.aspx?ProdID=MEUM5T2OZ
<http://www.horizonhobby.com/Products/Default.aspx?ProdID=MEUM5T2OZ> good
for working on Westerfield and Sunshine kits?

Also what type of tools do i need and any other advice someone can give me on
building resin cars would be great.

Thank you for your help.

Dan Port Jr.










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Re: Glue for resin freight cars

Tim O'Connor
 

that's a cool idea... but at the cost of the eraser vs sandpaper,
is it cost effective?

Tim O'Connor

-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "W. Lindsay Smith" <wlindsays2000@...>
I like the idea of putting sand paper on a glass or other flat
surface for truing the joint faces. I do not glue it down because I
am always short of space. I use a vinyl eraser for paper and film
like Staedtler Mars Plastic to clean the sand paper. It makes it
like new; it unloads it; and, the chaff can be dumped easily.
Lindsay


Re: Glue for resin freight cars

W. Lindsay Smith <wlindsays2000@...>
 

I like the idea of putting sand paper on a glass or other flat
surface for truing the joint faces. I do not glue it down because I
am always short of space. I use a vinyl eraser for paper and film
like Staedtler Mars Plastic to clean the sand paper. It makes it
like new; it unloads it; and, the chaff can be dumped easily.
Lindsay
. --- In STMFC@..., RUTLANDRS@... wrote:

Dan,
Welcome to the resin world!! My reply to your tool quest is
below.

Both thin and gel type AC
The "Wright-Clamp" in a couple of sizes. This will keep your
corners
square.
Sanding SCREENs of varying grits. This is not the same product
as
sandpaper, as it doesn't "load up" when sanding.
Sand Paper of varying grits.
Standard modeling tools, pin vise, drill bits, motor tool,
files, taps,
scale rule, wire cutters, tweezers, etc.
Good Luck,


Chuck Hladik
Rutland Railroad
Virginia Division
NMRA L5756
SNIP


Re: Glue for resin freight cars and building them...

Tom Madden <tgmadden@...>
 

Jim King wrote:

At a recent SRHA clinic and on the Southern Modeler list, Bob Harpe
suggested using Cy-Pox in place of the "typical" CAs.
The product is C-pox but the web site is www.cypox.com and the company
is Gowest2 International. Here's a statement from their web site:

"Gowest2 International is no longer affiliated with the CoolChem®
Cyanopoxy® System or PRS Technologies Inc. and will no longer endorse
or promote their products; however, we have developed the C-pox™
Bonding System that will continue to exceed your expectations and
fulfill your adhesive needs for a fraction of the price."

No connection with this company or their products, etc. etc.

Tom Madden


Re: Kit needed

benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
 

Dave Schroedle asked:
"Group does anyone know of a decent resin kit for this car.
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/acy/acy3918jwa.jpg "

Ray Breyer recommended:
"The old Roundhouse 50' single sheathed, single steel door box looks
to be the best (and least painful) starting point for a kitbash.
<<snip>>
The car's not perfect. The ends are indented Dreadnaught (though the
right number of panels), you'll have to steal an end door off one of
the other 50-footer body styles (which the above seller also has),
and the doors are different, but it's a start."

I agree with Ray, with the additional suggestions:

- Possible sources for the 3/3/3 Dreadnaught ends include the
Walthers 50 ft SS boxcar or the Tyco 50 ft plug door boxcar.
Neither is an exact match, but both are closer than the ends of the
MDC kit.

- The door will need to be replaced with a postwar door and the very
substantial upper door track scratchbuilt. Unfortunately, the door
of the MDC model is tooled as part of the carbody, so it will need
to be cut out and replaced.

Of course, there's another intersting car just out of the photo -
the NKP end-door car coupled to the right, which appears to have the
recessed side sill of a rebuilt boxcar.

This would be a neat kitbash - I'm tempted to add it to the "to do"
list!


Ben Hom


Re: Glue for resin freight cars and building them...

Jim King
 

At a recent SRHA clinic and on the Southern Modeler list, Bob Harpe
suggested using Cy-Pox in place of the "typical" CAs. I've switched from
Dr. Mike's to Cy-Pox with superb results. The latter doesn't dry out in the
bottle even without storing in the frig or anywhere special. I can put a
small puddle of it on a scrap of styrene and have enough working time to
install a bunch of grabs and details before it skins over (due to moisture
in the air) and I need another blob. Cy-Pox can be ordered on-line but I
don't have the web address handy, so you'll need to "Google it". Great
service, prices and service from this supplier.



Jim King

Smoky Mountain Model Works, Inc.

www.smokymountainmodelworks.com


Re: Speedwitch delivery time

Tom Madden <tgmadden@...>
 

I hate to bother Ted, he's such a busy guy and was wondering how long
to wait before inquiring on the status of my order. Anybody have a
feel for this?

Thanks in advance -
Steve Tucker in AZ
I think Ted is in California now for Sunshine's two mini-meets. I
placed an order through his web site in mid-October and received the
kits in January. In the interim Ted had a hard drive crash that
required regenerating the instruction sheets for some of his kits, plus
he was sick for a while. And had Naperville and Cocoa Beach to contend
with.

Tom Madden


Re: Enterprise GS Gondolas

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Justin Kahn wrote:
Having just acquired another brass drop-bottom gondola (the later USH solid-floor one, rather than the operating doors brought in by Max Gray--for any O scalers on the list), I don't recall whether I'd asked before, or whether anyone else had raised the question:

Which prototype roads had the Enterprise GS? I know IC (there's the view in the CBC) and I'm pretty sure M&StL, although those had the corrugated/dart ends rather than the rib raced ones, but who else?
Jace, I don't know the USH model, but the 1920s style of Enterprise gon, with plate ends, was owned in substantial numbers by SP. They also owned the later Enterprise versions with various Dreadnaught ends.

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Re: Kit needed

Doug Brown <g.brown1@...>
 

It appears that the car started life as a double door car. It also has a
radial roof. Is it ex-NP?

Doug Brown

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--- In HYPERLINK "mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com"STMFC@...,
timboconnor@-... wrote:


if only!!

In HO the selection of 50' single sheathed box car kits is
extremely limited -- Speedwitch does one NP car, Westerfield
has GN, UP, RI cars, MDC/Athearn makes a couple of plastic
kits, F&C has an SP car. I'd guess your ACY car is a 1950's
vintage rebuild and there are no kits available.
I don't know if they will work as kitbash fodderfor the ACY car, but
don't forget that Sunshine does the CB&Q XA-14 and ATSF Bx-39, Rocket
Express has a RI car (different from Westerfield)-, and Speedwitch has
announced a CB&Q XA-9.

Sincerely,
Robert D. Heninger
Stanley, ND




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Enterprise GS Gondolas

Justin Kahn
 

Having just acquired another brass drop-bottom gondola (the later USH solid-floor one, rather than the operating doors brought in by Max Gray--for any O scalers on the list), I don't recall whether I'd asked before, or whether anyone else had raised the question:

Which prototype roads had the Enterprise GS? I know IC (there's the view in the CBC) and I'm pretty sure M&StL, although those had the corrugated/dart ends rather than the rib raced ones, but who else?

Jace Kahn, General Manager
Ceres and Canisteo RR Co.


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Re: Kit needed

Ray Breyer
 

The old Roundhouse 50' single sheathed, single steel door box looks to be the best (and least painful) starting point for a kitbash. They're long OOP, but there are a few on Ebay if you look hard enough:

http://cgi.ebay.com/RCR-50FT-OSB-SSD-STYLE-BOXCARS-15-C-P_W0QQitemZ350006458533QQihZ022QQcategoryZ19139QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1742.m153.l1262

The car's not perfect. The ends are indented Dreadnaught (though the right number of panels), you'll have to steal an end door off one of the other 50-footer body styles (which the above seller also has), and the doors are different, but it's a start.

Ray Breyer

Dave Schroedle <hummerdaves@...> wrote:
Group does anyone know of a decent resin kit for this car.
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/acy/acy3918jwa.jpg
TIA
Dave S.

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Speedwitch delivery time

Stephen A. Tucker <steve1t@...>
 

Ted's latest "Essential" installment in this month's RMC reminded me that I have an
outstanding order and have no idea whether or not to expect Sunshine like delivery lead
times.

I hate to bother Ted, he's such a busy guy and was wondering how long to wait before
inquiring on the status of my order. Anybody have a feel for this?

Thanks in advance -
Steve Tucker in AZ

Modeling Santa Fe's Peavine circa 1949


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2 new services from Lanes Trains

Bill Lane
 

Hi All,

I am very happy to announce 2 new services from Lanes Trains.
www.lanestrains.com

The first is a highly detailed small volume custom train part design service
using the 3D modeling program Solidworks to produce the master patterns. If
you are like me, you bash pieces of rolling stock to make them different
from all the other pieces from that brass run. It also produces one of a
kind model when new details are added. I can help you design and achieve
your dream of detailing your favorite mode to a new level. While the main
end result is geared towards brass parts production, the masters can be used
as is or to produce a mold for further urethane casting. This application
can be used to produce scenery and lineside items too. Finally, perhaps you
have a favorite brass model with an irreplaceable part missing. Parts
duplication or replacement parts may be possible now.

I will entertain designing for a manufacturer as well.

The second new service is 35mm slide scanning using a high end Nikon slide
scanner.

See my home page for the new links. Please give the pages a THOROUGH read
through at least ONCE before replying. The instructions at the end of the
Solidworks page are very important and needs to be understood before we
begin.

Reply directly to bill@... if you are interested in either of
my new services.

Thank You,
Bill Lane

Modeling the Mighty Pennsy & PRSL in 1957 in S Scale since 1988

See my finished models at:
http://www.lanestrains.com
Winner of the 2007 Josh Seltzer NASG Website Award
Look at what has been made in PRR in S Scale!

Importing a Brass S Scale PRR X29 & G26
http://www.pennsysmodels.com

PRR Builders Photos Bought, Sold & Traded
(Trading is MUCH preferred)
http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRphotos.xls

***Join the PRR T&HS***
The other members are not ALL like me!
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Re: Kit needed

gn3397 <heninger@...>
 

--- In STMFC@..., timboconnor@... wrote:


if only!!

In HO the selection of 50' single sheathed box car kits is
extremely limited -- Speedwitch does one NP car, Westerfield
has GN, UP, RI cars, MDC/Athearn makes a couple of plastic
kits, F&C has an SP car. I'd guess your ACY car is a 1950's
vintage rebuild and there are no kits available.
I don't know if they will work as kitbash fodderfor the ACY car, but
don't forget that Sunshine does the CB&Q XA-14 and ATSF Bx-39, Rocket
Express has a RI car (different from Westerfield), and Speedwitch has
announced a CB&Q XA-9.

Sincerely,
Robert D. Heninger
Stanley, ND