On Mon, May 5, 2008 7:26 pm, tmolsen@... wrote:

In regard to Ben's comment concerning the PRR's versions of troop
sleepers, many were converted from X31 Class round-roof boxcars. At the
end of WWII, these cars were converted back to box cars and returned to
freight service.

X32 ;^) (after all we're talking 50 foot cars here) and yes, they were
returned to freight service, and yes, as far as I have been able to find,
they retained a single brake system that was converted to AB-1B for use in
passenger service.

Regards
Bruce

Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL

Jim Dick asked:
May I ask for some first hand reports of people who have dug around
the Copeland reports at Northwestern University in Illinois?

I have looked at the Copeland Reports at both the Harvard Business
School Baker Library and the Northwestern University Transportation
Library. Both have a large collection of WM reports which are of
special interest to me. The NWU Library was much more laid back. I
would recommend going there. At NWU I was allowed to browse through
the stacks. At Harvard I had to request the material I wanted. NWU
allowed self copying. At Harvard I had to order copies and have them
mailed to me. I suggest contacting the NWU library staff in advance
to let them know that you are coming and to let them know about your
interests. Both of my visits to NWU were right before Naperville.

The Copeland Reports were very helpful to me because I am modeling
the Connellsville PA area where the WM interchanged with the P&WV,
P&LE, B&O and PRR. The Copeland Reports give the number of loaded
cars interchanged per year at each interchange location for each
railroad. They show that the the P&WV and P&LE were the dominant
interchange roads with the WM at Connellsville.

The reports also give tonnage in each direction for various line
segments. This was also helpful to me because I am modeling the WM
coal traffic over the B&O from the Fairmont WV area to Connellsville.
I was able to estimate the number of loads per year from the tonnage
data since almost all of the WM loads from Fairmont to Connellsville
were coal loads.

Larry Kline
Pittsburgh, PA

On May 5, 2008, at 4:41 PM, espeeac12 wrote:

What's the real roof material they used on the prototype for the
Accurail single-sheathed 40' boxcar roof? Was it canvas, wood, or
Steel
plate? Any information would be greatly appreciated.

The roof on the Accurail model represents a Hutchins "Dry Lading"
steel roof. After ca 1900, canvas roofs were almost never used on
house cars. Wood roof sheathing was typically applied over
galvanized metal (hence the term "inside metal roof"). That
construction was generally replaced in the 'teens and early '20s by
galvanized metal sheathing over wood, with flat metal-sheathed seam
caps, which was replaced in turn during the 1920s by various types of
all-steel roofs.

Richard Hendrickson

In regard to Ben's comment concerning the PRR's versions of troop sleepers, many were converted from X31 Class round-roof boxcars. At the end of WWII, these cars were converted back to box cars and returned to freight service.

I, myself, have never seen a PRR X31 box car that had been converted a troop sleeper that had not been converted back to freight service after the war.

Tom Olsen
Newark, Delaware, 19711-7479

Miles Callan wrote:

What's the real roof material they used on the prototype for the Accurail single-sheathed 40' boxcar roof? Was it canvas, wood, or Steel plate? Any information would be greatly appreciated.

None of the above, Miles. It's thin steel sheet (galvanized), over a structural wood roof, perhaps with formed steel carlines. "Plate" usually refers to thicker material, e.g. one-fourth of an inch.

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Brian, Garth and all,

Sorry I failed to sign my last post regarding this subject, but I managed to hit the wrong key when trying to correct a word duplication and it got away from me.

One other thought regarding Martin's Timonium sojourn is that, like Naperville, the majority of the kits he brings, are the latest and greatest at the time of the meet. He does bring a small number of older kits, but if you are interested in obtaining one of these...GET THERE EARLY!

Regards,

Tom Olsen
7 Boundary Road, West Branch
Newark, Delaware, 19711-7479
(302) 738-4292
tmolsen@...

Brian,

As Garth and Jim has advised, Martin generally attends the Timonium trainshow which is now held the first weekend in February. The trainshow was moved to the first February weekend so as to not be in competition with the large Amhearst Trainshow in West Springfield show in Massachusetts which has always runs the last weekend of January. A friend of mine referred to the West Springfield show as a Timonium on Steroids!

He does not attend the spring and summer shows due to low attendance, his California shows and backlog of kit orders, which grown larger even with his moving to a production facility facility. He used to attend the Fall Timonium, but preparation for his show at Naperville at the end of October has taken precedence.

What's the real roof material they used on the prototype for the
Accurail single-sheathed 40' boxcar roof? Was it canvas, wood, or Steel
plate? Any information would be greatly appreciated.

Here's a link to the car I mention:
http://www.accurail.com/accurail/art/7100/7198.jpg

-Miles Callan
Owner of http://modelrailroading.wordpress.com
Custom Modeling building at www.weatheringman.com

Ben is absolutely correct; the Walthers cars are not the Pennsy cars, but if you model B&O or WM or NYC you might want a couple of those cars. I painted a couple for my own fictitious (aka, private name) road.

Jim

Quoting Brian J Carlson <brian@...>:

On Mon, 05 May 2008 21:00:43 -0000, benjaminfrank_hom wrote

Al Kresse wrote:
"Apparently, the Pennsy built troop sleepers had different brake
arragements than the ACF and Pullman cars did. November 1943 notes
from the Newport News Divisional Offices during WW2 warned the
operators about their diffferences."

That's because they were totally different cars. The Pennsy cars
were converted automobile boxcars, while the ACF and Pullman cars
were new construction built to a different design.

Ben Hom

So we don't get too far off the original question, SGL was asking about the
Walthers cars, which are not Pennsy cars, just don't want people to get
confused.

Bran carlson

Al Kresse wrote:
"Apparently, the Pennsy built troop sleepers had different brake
arragements than the ACF and Pullman cars did. November 1943 notes
from the Newport News Divisional Offices during WW2 warned the
operators about their diffferences."

That's because they were totally different cars. The Pennsy cars were
converted automobile boxcars, while the ACF and Pullman cars were new
construction built to a different design.


Ben Hom

Apparently, the Pennsy built troop sleepers had different brake arragements than the ACF and Pullman cars did. November 1943 notes from the Newport News Divisional Offices during WW2 warned the operators about their diffferences.

Al Kresse

I looked at them years ago and felt the information was not specific
enough to add anything to the operation of my model railroad.
Perhaps if I was modeling one of the important interchange points
such as Peoria, Illinois ...

Gene Green
Out in the west Texas town of El Paso

--- In STMFC@..., "np328" <jcdworkingonthenp@...> wrote:

May I ask for some first hand reports of people who have dug

around

the Copeland reports at Northwestern University in Illinois?

And YES!, I have looked in the archives and printed out about

all

of the posts on Copeland reports, however any first hand

experiences I

feel would be most helpful.

Dave Nelson, are you still on the list? In post 30657, you

mention

that you seemed to pass muster, any helpful hints on how you did

that?

I am hoping that if I spend about several days there so I can

get

into some meaningful data by day two or three. BTW, is that overly
optimistic?

Beyond that point, I would like to think that I can do a bit
more by showing up for Naperville early and heading up to MWU for
another day or two. Jim Dick - St. Paul. MN.

O frabjous day! Guess I don't have to build that old Ambroid, unless
I really get ambitious.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.


--- In STMFC@..., Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:

On May 5, 2008, at 1:54 PM, lnbill wrote:

Did anyone notice Al Westerfields' notice about the Pennsy R7 type
reefer widely photographed in FGE and National paint! I am in

heaven.

Bill Welch

Yes I did and I am too <VBG>!!!! Apparently, model photos will

be

in this month's TKM.

Regards
Bruce

Bruce F. Smith
Auburn, AL
http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu/index.pl/bruce_f._smith2

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Jeff, I'd be happy to hear what you have. At this point I know
nothing other that what is in the prior posts.
I am afraid that about the time I find what I'd like to see,
the time bell will ring. I have done enough research to know that
nothing really fruitful happens in the first hour or two (or even
the first day) unless by accident or dumb luck. Jim

Thanks for the info!!
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On May 5, 2008, at 1:54 PM, lnbill wrote:

Did anyone notice Al Westerfields' notice about the Pennsy R7 type
reefer widely photographed in FGE and National paint! I am in heaven.

Bill Welch

Yes I did and I am too <VBG>!!!! Apparently, model photos will be in this month's TKM.

Regards
Bruce

Bruce F. Smith
Auburn, AL
http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu/index.pl/bruce_f._smith2

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Did anyone notice Al Westerfields' notice about the Pennsy R7 type
reefer widely photographed in FGE and National paint! I am in heaven.

Bill Welch

Hi Jim,



Is your question more about getting access at NWU, or is it
about the Copeland Reports themselves? If the latter, I can share what
I learned in accessing the Copeland Reports at Baker Library at Harvard.
On the other hand, I have never been to Northwestern, so I can't help
you there.



Regards,



-Jeff Aley





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May I ask for some first hand reports of people who have dug around
the Copeland reports at Northwestern University in Illinois?

Jim Dick - St. Paul. MN.