Jon,

I read the two columns as the member (left) and non member (right), with the prices quoted for a regular photographic process print. If you want the scanned image, the price is, apparently, less and the presumption is that you are ordering more than one. It appears that they are providing the images via CD and there is a charge, $2.00, for the CD for either members or non members.

So for 10 - 8 x 10 photo process prints, the non member would pay $180 or quite a bit more than Bob's photos.

On the other hand, for the scanned images, the same 10 would be $75 plus $2 or $77 which is right on par with Bob.

Please understand that I have not actually done this, but this is the way I read it. There is an obvious break provided to NMRA members on either approach.

Subject matter searches of the photo databases seem to be gratis in Adobe format. I need to check that out!

Regards,
Steve Hile

It says "scanning of photos". However who knows. I can't even figure out the charges. Nothing lines up but that's the site. There are two numbers (charges) for everything and I can't see any headers indicating what they mean.
Example;
Photographs
B/W, 5-inch $8.00 $12.00
B/W, 7-inch $12.00 $15.00

Scanning of photos $5.00/image $7.50/image

Up at the top it says (Plus photocopy charge). Is the second number the photocopy charge? Is it really 8 + 12 = $20 per 5"? If so Bob is really a bar!

Jon Miller
AT&SF
For me time has stopped in 1941
Digitrax, Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI user
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS

I tried calling around the time thing thread started but no one was there.

Hi Folks

I hope this isn't too far off topic, but I thought Mike Brock and some
others might be interested in this tidbit. The following items are
part of a database on historical houses in Laramie that Judy Knight, a
local historian, compiled:

"812 S. 4th. In 1892, this was the home of E.F. Stewart, fireman. Lewis
H. Fraley, 1929"
"501 S. 11th. Harold M. Burke, 1929; Lewis H. and Julia S.Fraley, 1937
owners. He was a UPRR conductor. Andy & Ann Marie Hart, 2002
owner/residents."

I believe that Lewis H. Fraley is the author of the Conductor's Reports
that Mike and the late Tim Gilbert have analyzed so thoroughly.

Best wishes,
Larry Ostresh
Laramie, Wyoming

Try the local hardware store. Big Lots also carries it.

Doug Brown

--- In STMFC@..., "gn3397" <heninger@...> wrote:

Hello all,
I am hoping once again to tap into the collective wisdom of the
group. I recently discovered that you can order prints from the NMRA
collection. They charge 15.00 for a 8"x10" print, or 5.00 for a 600-dpi
TIFF scan, intended to print at 8"x10". I am wondering the best route
to take. I know that a B&W print stored properly will outlive me, but I
could also print the images from the CD as well. Are most commercial
photo printers able to print from TIFF files? I would like the ability
to have a hard copy to use while working on a model. I am unfamiliar
with this format, and know that JPEGs are compressed and you lose some
image detail. What does everyone on the the list do with their
collections? Thanks.

Sincerely,
Robert D. Heninger
Stanley, ND

Does the NMRA print from the negative, or are they using a photocopy
process?

I recently scanned an old B&W print for someone, and while the
resolution was high (600 dpi), I could not match the exposure latitude
of the print. Don't know if my scanner is going bad, but if I adjusted
the settings so details in the brightest region could be seen, then
details in the darkest regions were solid black and not visible.
Conversely, changing the settings to show the details in the darker
regions resulted in a washout of the bright areas.

Simply could not match the lattitude of the print. My scanner is 24
bit color, but a 32 bit scanner, or a 12-16 bit B&W scanner should do
a better job.

Anyone know what NMRA is using? Ideally a high quality film scanner is
even better than scanning a print (but they are not cheap).

Dave Evans

Jon Miller,
According to the NMRA website, they have over 100,000 images. To me
that's not too "limited.

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Bob, do you (or does anyone else) know the a) complete span of numbers in this series and b) which
among them were 10'-2" vs 10'-8" IH?

SGL

Schuyler, Though both ex-Frisco cars were reconditioned by St. Louis
Refrigerator about the same time, AC&Y 3930 was in the last leased
series of 22 cars and was rebuilt as a 10'2 IH car vs. 10'8 for AC&Y
3918, thus the visual difference in the upper steel plate. Why the
IH height was changed is unknown except the tire companies no doubt
had a say? Additionally, AC&Y sported a facinating roster of single-
sheathed 40' Mathers and ex-P&N 40' autocars, the latter which also
beg to be a resin kit offering. Bob

Bob, 3930 and 3918 don't quite match. The upper steel plate on 3918
is taller than the corresponding plate on 3930. Any thoughts on that?

An appealing car, somehow, and if it did start with Frisco and move
to ACY, that is good for the sales of the resin kit maker that brings
it out. Right, Ted? Or is that you, Al?

SGL

-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Lucas

Dave, AC&Y 3918 originated as a circa 30's SLSF Frisco 50'6" DD

car.

To meet increased tire and rim demand in the 50's, AC&Y leased
roughly 200 ex-Frisco wood single-sheathed autocars, ideal for

(hot)

tire shipments. AC&Y 3875-3926 were reconditioned by St. Louis
Refrigerator in 1958 wherein the roof was raised to 10'8" IH (note
upper steel panel). A single 9' door was installed replacing the
SLSF double doors.

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/acy/acy3918jwa.jpg.

<http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/acy/acy3918jwa.jpg.>

<http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/acy/acy3918jwa.jpg.

<http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/acy/acy3918jwa.jpg.> >

What you don't see with AC&Y 3918 and others (four series) is that
all had end auto doors, albeit sealed. Also, 125 cars in series

AC&Y

3750-3874 were rebuilt with double steel doors with a 10'2" IH.

See

the photo of one of the DD cars wrecked on the CNW.

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=771451

<http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=771451>

<http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=771451

<http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=771451> >

The final series, AC&Y 3927-3949, were rebuilt 10'2" IH with a

single

9' door. Note the panels reflect the sealing of the left DD door.

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/acy/acy3930ajw.jpg

<http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/acy/acy3930ajw.jpg>

<http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/acy/acy3930ajw.jpg

<http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/acy/acy3930ajw.jpg> >

As others on the list have mentioned, there is currently no resin

kit

for the AC&Y cars. However, the old Roundhouse/MDC kits 2100 and
2130, no longer in production, can be easily modified as pretty
reasonable stand-ins. Bob Lucas

Schuyler, Though both ex-Frisco cars were reconditioned by St. Louis
Refrigerator about the same time, AC&Y 3930 was in the last leased
series of 22 cars and was rebuilt as a 10'2 IH car vs. 10'8 for AC&Y
3918, thus the visual difference in the upper steel plate. Why the
IH height was changed is unknown except the tire companies no doubt
had a say? Additionally, AC&Y sported a facinating roster of single-
sheathed 40' Mathers and ex-P&N 40' autocars, the latter which also
beg to be a resin kit offering. Bob

Bob, 3930 and 3918 don't quite match. The upper steel plate on 3918
is taller than the corresponding plate on 3930. Any thoughts on that?

An appealing car, somehow, and if it did start with Frisco and move
to ACY, that is good for the sales of the resin kit maker that brings
it out. Right, Ted? Or is that you, Al?

SGL

-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Lucas

Dave, AC&Y 3918 originated as a circa 30's SLSF Frisco 50'6" DD

car.

To meet increased tire and rim demand in the 50's, AC&Y leased
roughly 200 ex-Frisco wood single-sheathed autocars, ideal for

(hot)

tire shipments. AC&Y 3875-3926 were reconditioned by St. Louis
Refrigerator in 1958 wherein the roof was raised to 10'8" IH (note
upper steel panel). A single 9' door was installed replacing the
SLSF double doors.

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/acy/acy3918jwa.jpg.

<http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/acy/acy3918jwa.jpg.>

What you don't see with AC&Y 3918 and others (four series) is that
all had end auto doors, albeit sealed. Also, 125 cars in series

AC&Y

3750-3874 were rebuilt with double steel doors with a 10'2" IH.

See

the photo of one of the DD cars wrecked on the CNW.

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=771451
<http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=771451>

The final series, AC&Y 3927-3949, were rebuilt 10'2" IH with a

single

9' door. Note the panels reflect the sealing of the left DD door.

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/acy/acy3930ajw.jpg

<http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/acy/acy3930ajw.jpg>

As others on the list have mentioned, there is currently no resin

kit

for the AC&Y cars. However, the old Roundhouse/MDC kits 2100 and
2130, no longer in production, can be easily modified as pretty
reasonable stand-ins. Bob Lucas

Tom,
Looks like Dave's instruction cup runneth over. They went into the
mail last night. Now we'll get to see how fast US mail is compared to
Canada Post. I'm not sure who to put my money on.
As for the CN decals, the "horizontal" herald sets are the only ones
out of era for you. I've seen photos from the 50's showing all the
preceding styles. The most common in 53 would be the green leaf with
the tilted herald of course. Mind you I have a soft spot for the
"Canada's Largest Railway
Be sure and look up Stafford Swain's articles mentioned in the review
so you can model the car correctly. Sylvan Scale Models sells the
ends, roofs, end walks, and tack boards. You can get the correct 8
rung ladders with integral stirrup from Des PLaines Hobbies. And
CNLines SIG markets the correct CN Mineral Red #11. It's a fun project.
Pierre Oliver


--- In STMFC@..., <tmolsen@...> wrote:

Hi Pierre,

Just a short note that I sent Dave the 41.3 instructions and the PDS

that he needed, so that you won't need to look for yours. Sorry I did
not get back to you sooner so that you knew about my sending them.

I saw your review of the Black Cat decals for the CN cars. I am in

1953, which sets would be applicable in my time frame? I would think
that the white set would be gone by then, but what of the others?

Regards,

Tom Olsen
7 Boundary Road, West Branch
Newark, Delaware, 19711-7479
(302) 738-4292

Fellow chemist Wayne Wesolowski wrote an article in MRR years ago
about cyanoacrylate ... in brief: it sets by polymerizing, and one of
the things that polymerizes it is water e.g. in the atmosphere. So I
store CA in a Mason jar with some desiccant from the lab, and I get
the cheap "super glue" from the supermarket so I don't get too peeved
when it's time to pitch it. Been using my current tube for about 3
months. I apply it on the tip of a toothpick.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.


--- In STMFC@..., "Schuyler Larrabee"
<schuyler.larrabee@...> wrote:

In the rest of Denny Anspach's good advice, was:

Store your unused ACC in the freezer, if you can.

Denny

SWMBO* will not give you QUITE as much grief about "That stuff in

my freezer" if you invest in one

of those little plastic tubs with the snap-on covers. Find one

that is watertight (fill it with

water and turn it over . . .) and then, after you've dried it out

COMPLETELY, put some of the silica

gel packets in there with the glue. It also won't get lost under

the frozen pizza . . .

SGL






*
She
Who
Must
Be
Obeyed

Hi Pierre,

Just a short note that I sent Dave the 41.3 instructions and the PDS that he needed, so that you won't need to look for yours. Sorry I did not get back to you sooner so that you knew about my sending them.

I saw your review of the Black Cat decals for the CN cars. I am in 1953, which sets would be applicable in my time frame? I would think that the white set would be gone by then, but what of the others?

Regards,

Tom Olsen
7 Boundary Road, West Branch
Newark, Delaware, 19711-7479
(302) 738-4292

Bob, 3930 and 3918 don't quite match. The upper steel plate on 3918 is taller than the
corresponding plate on 3930. Any thoughts on that?

An appealing car, somehow, and if it did start with Frisco and move to ACY, that is good for the
sales of the resin kit maker that brings it out. Right, Ted? Or is that you, Al?

SGL

Or do like me and have six projects going at once, at any given moment.
This way I work on whatever I feel like at the moment... provided I
haven't mixed parts up and need to spend my free hours sorting through
everything. :D

Frank Valoczy
Vancouver, BC

Dan,
Why should you be different than the rest of us on the list. You
don't
have to wait to finish them, keep stockpiling!!!

Chuck Hladik
Rutland Railroad
Virginia Division
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In the rest of Denny Anspach's good advice, was:

Store your unused ACC in the freezer, if you can.

Denny

SWMBO* will not give you QUITE as much grief about "That stuff in my freezer" if you invest in one
of those little plastic tubs with the snap-on covers. Find one that is watertight (fill it with
water and turn it over . . .) and then, after you've dried it out COMPLETELY, put some of the silica
gel packets in there with the glue. It also won't get lost under the frozen pizza . . .

SGL






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Must
Be
Obeyed

Jon,

No trouble at all. Remember, Pullman (Standard) built a few freight
cars, too. All kidding aside, it's a great town, out on the eastern
Washington plains, population about 25,000 and a college town
(Washington State University) too. Just a few miles to the east, over
the border in Idaho, is the town of Moscow, also about 25,000
population and the site of the University of Idaho. Pullman was
served by both the Union Pacific and Northern Pacific and still has a
short line serving the town.

Back to Steam Era Freight Cars, I lived all my first 58 years in
California, wishing for a basement. Now I have a basement where I'm
setting up my shop to start building some of those resin kits I've
been collecting. I have a room about 15 feet by 30 feet, all to my
own. Maybe not mainline of the northwest kind of space but a whole
lot better than the 10 by 10 bedroom I had in our previous house. Now
to get back to that next order to Al Westerfield.

Time stopped in November 1941
Walter M. Clark
Pullman, Washington

--- In STMFC@..., "Jon Miller" <atsf@...> wrote:

Walter,
Considering the name of the town are you sure you are on the

right list?

Do they actually let you build freight cars in Pullman?

Jon Miller
AT&SF
For me time has stopped in 1941
Digitrax, Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI user
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS

Also, they market

"future glue" (a later generation of ACC) which will cement many
engineering plastics (such as Delrin) the same way in many of the same
places.<

Have never seen this glue at my local HF. Any idea which national stores might carry it?

Jon Miller
AT&SF
For me time has stopped in 1941
Digitrax, Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI user
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS

Dave, AC&Y 3918 originated as a circa 30's SLSF Frisco 50'6" DD car.
To meet increased tire and rim demand in the 50's, AC&Y leased
roughly 200 ex-Frisco wood single-sheathed autocars, ideal for (hot)
tire shipments. AC&Y 3875-3926 were reconditioned by St. Louis
Refrigerator in 1958 wherein the roof was raised to 10'8" IH (note
upper steel panel). A single 9' door was installed replacing the
SLSF double doors.

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/acy/acy3918jwa.jpg.

What you don't see with AC&Y 3918 and others (four series) is that
all had end auto doors, albeit sealed. Also, 125 cars in series AC&Y
3750-3874 were rebuilt with double steel doors with a 10'2" IH. See
the photo of one of the DD cars wrecked on the CNW.

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=771451

The final series, AC&Y 3927-3949, were rebuilt 10'2" IH with a single
9' door. Note the panels reflect the sealing of the left DD door.

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/acy/acy3930ajw.jpg

As others on the list have mentioned, there is currently no resin kit
for the AC&Y cars. However, the old Roundhouse/MDC kits 2100 and
2130, no longer in production, can be easily modified as pretty
reasonable stand-ins. Bob Lucas

While many are concerned about CA hardening in the tube or bottle, that is
not my experience. As mentioned earlier, I use the fastest CA in the 1/4 oz
bottle with the Teflon tube. I don't cap the bottle and don't store it in
the refrigerator. However, mine stays fine for 6-9 months or more.

Jack Burgess
www.yosemitevalleyrr.com

Dan- You have received lots of very good advice on the subject, but
one bit of caution which I received before starting-it saved me a lot
of grief and haven't seen it here. ACC "Superglue" and "resin" have a
very strong affinity for each other! Glue which may set in 30 seconds
on a plastic model will set fast enough on resin that you may not be
able to reposition a part after 5 seconds. Also, the small tube advice
is very good. Large bottles accumulate air, which carry moisture,
which causes the ACC to begin to thicken in the bottle. Tubes have
very little air, which can be squeezed-out, preserving your remainder.
Also Pacer Technologies, the maker of "superglue" market many of their
products in tiny tubes at many discount stores. Often you can get 2 to
4 for $0.99.
This stuff keeps a LONG time until you open it. Also, they market
"future glue" (a later generation of ACC) which will cement many
engineering plastics (such as Delrin) the same way in many of the same
places.
John Cathcart, "Cardept1" LMMRRC.

I posted a number of items on eBay that may be of interest including Kadee
PS-1 box cars and PS-2 hoppers; Red Caboose PFE reefers; and a variety of
books
http://stores.ebay.com/Espee-F-5

Thanks for looking!


Rob Sarberenyi