--- In STMFC@..., WaltGCox@... wrote:

A friend of mine asked me if I knew of a source for decals or dry

transfers

to letter a green GTW 50' express boxcar in yellow or dulux?

I was going to recommend C-D-S dry transfers, but their catalog does
not list a GTW express boxcar, nor a similar CNR car. Perhaps your
friend could cobble up express car lettering using several sets, for
example one of the steam generator car sets combined with a
baggage/express car set?

http://www3.sympatico.ca/cds_lettering_ltd/default.htm

Walt Lankenau

Locomotive Quarterly's Spring 1995 issue at page 41 features a June 7, 1941 picture of a NYO&W 2-10-2 helper on the Delaware River Bridge and it is pushing an out side braced door and half Wabash boxcar, a Chicago Great Western 1923 steel boxcar and a single sheathed Boston & Maine boxcar. Its a 79 car train so no telling how many distinctive freight cars were in the consist.

Great Northern moved 1,132 carloads of anthracite in 1940 and 4,612 of coke; in comparison, that year GN moved 2,365 carloads of scrap steel carloads and 3,233 carloads of beverages. The anthracite and coke had to have come from connecting carriers.

Ben,

How about a Monon hopper on the CV? Or, for that matter an L&N drop- bottom gon . . . . The real question is, of course, how many of these oddities can one include on a roster before creditability begins to stretch or snap . . .

Marty

A friend of mine asked me if I knew of a source for decals or dry transfers
to letter a green GTW 50' express boxcar in yellow or dulux? Apparently
there is a Microscale set that's not currently in production (1134?) Is anyone
aware of any other source?
Walt Cox



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We'll be there with a number of new kits: the tall GG hopper in three versions and the R7 reefer in at least two versions. Photos of the GG are on our web site; we'll have the R7 up in a couple of days. As usual, if you want us to bring specific older kits for you, let me know by a week from Monday. - Al Westerfield

George Courtney wrote:
"Tonight I watched a DVD on the Southern Railway in Reidsville, NC in
the 1955 to 1958 period from Mainline Videos. It has several runbys
of Washington to Atlanta and return freights. In one southbound I
noticed a gray C&EI twin hopper heading south. No load shows so
either mty or a heavier load such as sand or stone?"

Interesting! I'd expect a "stolen" hopper in coal country or in
Birmingham on the Southern, but not in North Carolina.


"Going north in one thru freight train was a green, Single Sheath RF&P
40' box. The roof appears to be painted silver. I thought these
were in express service on passengers only. A ferry move?"

Certainly likely. We know that empty express cars moved in freight
trains from time to time, and this could be another example.


"In the same train were several what appeared to be Western Fruit
Express Insulated boxes or reefers with the GN billy goat herald,
followed by a CB&Q reefer in the yellow scheme. Interesting."

If you read Bill Welch's handout (still available online from the
PRRT&HS, B&ORRHS, or ACL-SAL HS), you'd find that cars of the Fruit
Growers Consortium (which included Burlington Refrigerator Express
and Western Fruit Express) went wherever needed on member railroads.
The presence of these reefers on the Southern is not at all unusual;
conversely, it's not unusual to see Fruit Growers Express reefers on
the Burlington or Great Northern.


Ben Hom

Tonight I watched a DVD on the Southern Railway in Reidsville, NC in
the 1955 to 1958 period from Mainline Videos. It has several runbys
of Washington to Atlanta and return freights. In one southbound I
noticed a gray C&EI twin hopper heading south. No load shows so
either mty or a heavier load such as sand or stone?
Going north in one thru freight train was a green, Single Sheath
RF&P 40' box. The roof appears to be painted silver. I thought these
were in express service on passengers only. A ferry move?
In the same train were several what appeared to be Western Fruit
Express Insulated boxes or reefers with the GN billy goat herald,
followed by a CB&Q reefer in the yellow scheme. Interesting.
George Courtney

The bookBaltimore & Ohio Trackside, by Bruce K. Dicken and James M. Semon, at 46 to 54 has various partial views of the gray painted HWMY 487 being switched at the H.W. Madison pickle plant in Medina, OH, The car features four vertical tanks and there is an excellant rear view of the A end of the car on page 50.

Walt if you take time to click on the listing on the CNWHS website it will take you to a larger image that states you get three
castings for your $10.
http://www.cnwhs.org/shopping/product_info.php?cPath=27&products_id=318

Doug Harding
www.iowacentralrr.org

I, for one, am delighted to see this new set of hand brakes. It
looks to me like someone has really done their homework. Some of the
hand brakes are a little too modern for this group but I am delighted
to see all of them. Permit me to comment on them individually.

Ajax - introduced Feb. 1927 if housing is flat on front, Dec. 1930 if
front flares out slightly at the bottom. Ajax went to extra effort
to put all their hand brakes in the same envelope. This policy
worked until the 1980s when the required parts simply would no longer
fit inside.

Ellcon-National - can't tell for certain which model is intended.
Probably the D-1600 introduced in 1961.

Equipco 4000 - 1963-1979 Non-spin wheel, has release lever.
Equipco 3750 - 1951-1969 Non-spin wheel, no release lever.
These two Equipco hand brakes continued in production but in a
differently shaped, forged housing.

Klasing 1150 - Aug. 1961 to 1977. Intended mainly for coal hoppers.
Main gear was completely enclosed. If weep hole became clogged and
water accumulated inside then freezing temperatures would lock up
brake solid and render it unuseable. Ajax briefly made a lever hand
brake with the same problem.

Universal - Probably intended to represent 9300 (1993 to present).
Shave off release lever for a 7500 (also 1993-present).

Champion-Peacock - looks like Champion 1148 produced from 1937 to
1953 in that cast housing. This hand brake continued in production
by National but in a different housing.

Miner 6600 - 1972 to 1981. Shave off release lever and you have a
Miner 66 which was sold to N&W. N&W insisted on hand brakes without
release levers for many years.

Miner D3290 XL - D3290 introduced in 1937. D3290-X intro May 1943.
D3290-XL intro 1951. The letter L just means that a longer chain was
added.

Klasing 1500 - 1969 to Oct. 1974

-- In STMFC@..., "John Monrad" <jrmonrad@...> wrote:

--- Peter Ness wrote:
[...]

Now if someone was to produce a Klasing hand brake, that would be
worthy of top dollar - my opinion... :)

Nick Molo ('Moloco')announced these on the RPM list on 9 April:

<http://www.walthers.com/exec/productinfo/504-301>

The text of his announcement:
"As custom I have added files of production pieces of recent

parts

that I have been working on..."
"The Power Brakes (a.k.a.) hand brakes include ten types of

brakes,

two types from Miner, Equipco, Klasing, singles from Ajax,

Universal,

Ellcon-National and Champion. They are sized for Kadee brake

wheels."

One would still need to fabricate Klasing brake wheels...

John Monrad

For what it's worth, here is a link to a photo by Otto Perry of two
Speas Co. vinegar cars, ca. 1965:

http://www.answers.com/topic/op-16131-jpg-1

And Westerfield ( http://www.westerfield.biz/ )has several versions
of pickle cars in HO scale.

Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


--- In STMFC@..., Cyril and Lynn Durrenberger
<durrecj@...> wrote:

Athearn/Roundhouse is advertising what appears to be a run of the

old Athearn pickle car.

http://www.athearn.com/Newsletter/042208/21_40_pickle_042208.pdf

1. Does anyone know how accurate this model is for any sort of

similar car?

2. Does anyone know if any of the lettering schemes are

accurate? All of these companies seem to have existed at one time
or another and marketed pickles (did RIchter Vinegar Co made
pickles), but it is not clear that they owned or leased pickle cars.
In addition it is not clear that these lettering schemes are similar
to ones that were used if they owned pickle cars.

3. Richter Vinegar Co. did have at least one wood vinegar car,

but it was not like this type of car.

Cyril Durrenberger




[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Cyril Durrenberger asked recently about the forthcoming
Athearn/Roundhouse pickle car. I don't have answers to his
questions, but today I did run across a list I made a long time ago
of all the wooden tank cars (TW) listed in the 1/59 ORER. I'm
sharing it here for what it is worth. There were 248 cars listed, of
which 75 were called out as pickle cars, 38 were called out as
vinegar cars, 3 were "vat" cars, and 132 were called out just as tank
cars. It is likely that some of the cars just called tank cars were
pickle cars. All of the owners listed by Roundhouse had wooden tank
cars, and some had cars specifically called out as pickle cars, but I
have no idea regarding the specifics of the cars.

H.J. Heinz 11 pickle cars
" 16 vinegar cars
Standard Brands 85 tank cars
Bloch & Guggenheimer 3 pickle cars
Bond Pickle Co. 1 pickle car
Brown-Miller Co. 9 pickle cars, steel underframe
Budlong Pickle Co. 7 tank cars
Dyson's Ltd. 2 tank cars
The Finley Co., Inc. 6 tank cars
L.C. Forman & Sons 1 tank car
Glasser Crandal Co. 1 pickle car
Green Bay Food Co. 4 pickle cars
Hinkley & Schmidt 3 tank cars
Hirsch Bros. & Co. 12 tank cars
Hunt Foods, Inc. 1 vinegar car
Jewett & Sherman Co. 3 "vat" cars
Libby McNeill & Libby 9 pickle cars
" 2 vinegar cars
Latz & Schramm, Inc. 4 tank cars
HW Madison Co. 7 pickle cars
Monarch Foods 6 tank cars
National Fruit Product 2 vinegar cars
Perfect Packed Products 11 pickle cars
Richter Vinegar Corp 7 vinegar cars
William B Riley Co. 5 tanks
Speas Co. 10 tanks
Squire Dingee Co 10 pickle cars
M Steffen & Co 1 tank
H. Thiessen Pickle Co. 2 tanks
W&W Pickle Co. 5 pickle cars, steel underframe
Western Food Products Co 2 pickle tanks

We'll see what emailing does to the formatting. Upon departure the
list was perfectly alligned and had no question marks in it.

I will second the motion for Klasing brake wheels, but also would like to see Klasing and Equipco Pump Handle brake gear which is also amongst the missing.

Tom Olsen
Newark, Delaware

A bit more information about RC and the Superior hand brake.
when I orderd the last group of box cars, I tried to order extra hand brakes, and wase
turned down.
The last group we aquired were part of an order that some one else ordered and we picked
up what he didn't need.
I don't think we will reorder when we are out.
I doubt if we have many left, I have not checked the inventory resently. The last time I
looked there were only a few packages in the box.
I hope RC makes them available for direct sale.
Ron Christensen
CNWHS

--- Peter Ness wrote:
[...]

Now if someone was to produce a Klasing hand brake, that would be
worthy of top dollar - my opinion... :)

Nick Molo ('Moloco')announced these on the RPM list on 9 April:

<http://www.walthers.com/exec/productinfo/504-301>

The text of his announcement:
"As custom I have added files of production pieces of recent parts
that I have been working on..."
"The Power Brakes (a.k.a.) hand brakes include ten types of brakes,
two types from Miner, Equipco, Klasing, singles from Ajax, Universal,
Ellcon-National and Champion. They are sized for Kadee brake wheels."

One would still need to fabricate Klasing brake wheels...

John Monrad

Tom, just my opinion, I think the gripe is more along the lines of
either price or availability...

The brake wheels offered by Kadee are 8 for USD 2.95...

I also think that last "exclusive" run of PRR X-29's by Red Cabooose
for the shop in Texas sill leaves a bad taste in some modelers mouths
from what I heard last year...so, maybe a combination of both
factors...my opinion, I like to support historical societies, but
even in the case of my own personal favorite, F&C, Atlas and IM have
all produced commercial models available to the general market at
reasonable prices of the limited or special runs manufactured for
NHRHTA.

Now if someone was to produce a Klasing hand brake, that would be
worthy of top dollar - my opinion... :)

Regard,
Peter
http://www.freewebs.com/newhavenrailroad1959/


--- In STMFC@..., "Schuyler Larrabee"
<schuyler.larrabee@...> wrote:

In July of 2006, when those brake wheels were sent to the C&NW

Society, I contacted Ron

Christensen, who in

conjunction with Dave Phillips, advised me as to price location

to send the order. The Society, at

that time, was selling

the Superior Brake sets for three for $5. On July 24th 2006, I

ordered 18 sets which, including

postage, cost me $34

I do not think that that price including the postage was

exorbitant. My order went to the North

Riverside Illinois address

and I had the parts within two weeks.

It was the Society that ordered the special run of cars with the

Superior Brake Wheels sets in the

first place, so why

should everyone get upset when [Red Caboose] gave the Society 1st

chance to obtain the parts.

Tom Olsen

And, furthermore, the modelers who want these should not stint the

meager profit in support of a

non-profit group that works to help remember, document, and hold

the archives for that road. I am

often somewhere between annoyed and disappointed by the essentially

selfish approach modelers have

that all this information which is accumulated, often at

significant personal expense, by historical

societies, should simply be free for the asking, or supplied at

cost.

Schuyler Larrabee (aka SGL)
Past Chairman, and current Board member
Erie Lackawanna Historical Society

www.erielack.org

In July of 2006, when those brake wheels were sent to the C&NW Society, I contacted Ron

Christensen, who in

conjunction with Dave Phillips, advised me as to price location to send the order. The Society, at

that time, was selling

the Superior Brake sets for three for $5. On July 24th 2006, I ordered 18 sets which, including

postage, cost me $34

I do not think that that price including the postage was exorbitant. My order went to the North

Riverside Illinois address

and I had the parts within two weeks.

It was the Society that ordered the special run of cars with the Superior Brake Wheels sets in the

first place, so why

should everyone get upset when [Red Caboose] gave the Society 1st chance to obtain the parts.

Tom Olsen

And, furthermore, the modelers who want these should not stint the meager profit in support of a
non-profit group that works to help remember, document, and hold the archives for that road. I am
often somewhere between annoyed and disappointed by the essentially selfish approach modelers have
that all this information which is accumulated, often at significant personal expense, by historical
societies, should simply be free for the asking, or supplied at cost.

Schuyler Larrabee (aka SGL)
Past Chairman, and current Board member
Erie Lackawanna Historical Society

www.erielack.org

Can someone who is a member of the CBQ/Burlington Route SIG e mail me
off line...Thanks
Joel Norman

List,

In July of 2006, when those brake wheels were sent to the C&NW Society, I contacted Ron Christensen, who in conjunction with Dave Phillips, advised me as to price location to send the order. The Society, at that time, was selling the Superior Brake sets for three for $5. On July 24th 2006, I ordered 18 sets which, including postage, cost me $34

I do not think that that price including the postage was exorbitant. My order went to the North Riverside Illinois address and I had the parts within two weeks.

It was the Society that ordered the special run of cars with the Superior Brake Wheels sets in the first place, so why should everyone get upset when Intermountain gave the Society 1st chance to obtain the parts.

Tom Olsen
7 Boundary Road, West Branch
Newark, Delaware, 19711-7479
(302) 738-4292
tmolsen@...