--- In STMFC@..., Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@...>
wrote:

Richard, thanks for the info on the HPCX Type 21's.

-John Hile

Thank you Richard.

Rod

Richard Hendrickson wrote:

--- In STMFC@..., "John Hile" <john66h@...> wrote:

Rosin is used in the preparation of
synthetic resins like ester gum, bakelites, paints and varnishes, an
in crude forms as an addition to concrete to prevent cracking during
cold weather.

Oops! Forgot to add that rosin can be used as a sizing for paper!

From "Standard Tank Car Journeys"..."The greatest use of rosin is in
the manufacture of soap and in surfacing writing and printing paper.
Other uses...varnishes and paint driers...waterproofing compounds, in
roofing materials, in leather dressings and shoe polishes, in sealing
wax and shoemakers' wax, in the making of linoleum and oil cloth, in
dry batteries and electrical insulations, as a lubricant for
high-speed machinery, in steel hardening, floor waxes and polishes, in
disinfectant sweeping materials, in cements, in printing inks, in
rubber substitutes, axle grease, to dust molds in foundries, in many
pharmaceutical preparations... For rosin a standard car without coils
is used. For pitch a coiled car must be used in order to melt it with
steam before unloading it. After once having been used for pitch, the
cars are unfit for anything else but crude and fuel oils, as they are
very difficult to clean."

-John Hile

Mark (?) wrote:
"You could probably add it to your MOW fleet."

Unless you have specific evidence to the contrary, this really isn't
plausible for a Mather boxcar, because the railroads operating these
cars didn't own them, they LEASED them. Once the leases expired, they
went back to Mather. If you can't offer up specific evidence of a
Mather boxcar in somebody's company service (wrecked car that paid off
but kept, secondhand purchase, etc.), this backstory simply won't
stand.


Ben Hom

Hi Jim,

You could probably add it to your MOW fleet. They're a nice kit and
relaxing to put together.

Mark

--- In STMFC@..., Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@...>
wrote:

On Feb 27, 2008, at 1:06 PM, jim_mischke wrote:

I am considering adding a Mather boxcar to my fleet, for fun and
variety. I model 1960 or so.

I see Walthers/P2K offers such a car, in various road names. I

am

familiar with Muncie and Western and C&IM.

Did any of these cars last past 1960? Which road names of those
offered and lettering variation would be appropriate for this

late

date?

Sorry, Jim, all of the P/L schemes on the P2K models represent

1940s

through mid-1950s, and by 1960 all of those cars had gone to the

great

freight yard in the sky. By that time, Mather had been purchased

by

North American Car Co. (mostly to get Mather's Chicago Ridge car

shops)

and only some later (1941) box cars and some stock cars remained

in the

NACC leasing fleet.

Richard Hendrickson

Since we are talking about the SP B-50-15. I have four Challenger Imports cars available for sale of the B-50-15. I have both wood sides and steeel rebuilds. They have the "Southern Pacific" lettering. $200 each mint in the box.

Jason Sanford

ed_mines <ed_mines@...> wrote:
Hey, you guys are missing the obvious.

For new guys the SP single sheathed box cars we've been discussing
have Pratt truss outside bracing. The diagonals closest to the doors
form a "V" or a "capital M". The diagonal braces start/end at the
bottom by the door.

My guess is that about 1/7 of all SS box cars had Pratt trusses.

The rest (with at least 1 exception) had the more common Howe truss
where the diagonals run in the other direction. The diagonal braces
start/end by the top of the door forming a pyramid.

Sunshine has real nice kits for SP-B-50-15 box cars; the data sheet
is very detailed.

Years ago (1950-1965?) Ulrich has a kit for these cars.

Ed






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Hey, you guys are missing the obvious.

For new guys the SP single sheathed box cars we've been discussing
have Pratt truss outside bracing. The diagonals closest to the doors
form a "V" or a "capital M". The diagonal braces start/end at the
bottom by the door.

My guess is that about 1/7 of all SS box cars had Pratt trusses.

The rest (with at least 1 exception) had the more common Howe truss
where the diagonals run in the other direction. The diagonal braces
start/end by the top of the door forming a pyramid.

Sunshine has real nice kits for SP-B-50-15 box cars; the data sheet
is very detailed.

Years ago (1950-1965?) Ulrich has a kit for these cars.

Ed

On Feb 29, 2008, at 12:02 PM, Rod Miller wrote:

This car is on eBay:

http://tinyurl.com/2lo6oq

Note the red underframe. I have another Mobilgas car, bought
painted, that has a black underframe.

I am curious to know which one is correct. Perhaps both are
correct in that a red or black underframe has some significance
WRT assignment/cargo.

Rod, numerous photos show that, without exception, the Mobilgas cars
with red tanks had black underframes, bottom tank sheets, and black
domes.

Richard Hendrickson

Peter,

How often were tank cars boarded on a float? Just because I don't recall a photo of one does not mean they never went by water. My first thought was Maybrook; and depending on the time frame one could trace a routing. My bet is with Maybrook. You might have some luck on the NH group site. I've had very good replies from it's members about PRR / NH joint ops.

Fred Freitas

Peter Ness <prness@...> wrote:
Thanks very much for posting that link! That's a great history and
more complete than I have stumbled across in a couple of half-hearted
attempts.

For my modeling efforts, my assumption is the tank cars were used to
carry products used in the printing industry which survived in the
Boston area into the period I model.

Now, if I could only learn where the cars were routed from to get on
the New Haven...the two photos I have show cars in Boston (a terminal
yard most likely for these cars) and Cedar Hill; but traffic from
Maybrook and the New York float facilities was routed through Cedar
Hill, so I am no wiser as to the connecting railroad...

Anyone aware of these cars routed via either Pennsy, B&O, DL&W,
Erie? Any of these would help nail down the routing. My opinion
only, but these cars were fun to build compared to the IM SHPX tanks,
and I went so far as to contact Walthers to find out if the well-
printed placards were available as a separate part.

Regards,
Peter
http://www.freewebs.com/newhavenrailroad1959/

--- In STMFC@..., "John Hile" <john66h@...> wrote:

--- In STMFC@..., "Kurt Laughlin" <fleeta@> wrote:

My guess - based on the origin of the cars and Hercules' business

in

printing and paper chemicals - is that they were hauling paper-

making

chemicals.

I believe Kurt is on the right track here. From the nice Hercules
company history at
http://www.fundinguniverse.com/company-histories/Hercules-Inc-

Company-History.html

"The paper products division began in 1931 with the purchase of

Paper

Makers Chemical Corporation, which provided 70 percent of U.S.

demand

for the rosin "sizing" used to stiffen paper."


-John Hile

Carl J. Marsico wrote:

Good info re: this class at this link:
http://www.railgoat.railfan.net/spcars/byclass/box/b050-15.htm

Yes, it's a good summary.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history

This car is on eBay:

http://tinyurl.com/2lo6oq

Note the red underframe. I have another Mobilgas car, bought
painted, that has a black underframe.

I am curious to know which one is correct. Perhaps both are
correct in that a red or black underframe has some significance
WRT assignment/cargo.

Thanks

Rod

Good info re: this class at this link:

http://www.railgoat.railfan.net/spcars/byclass/box/b050-15.htm

CJM

Steve Lucas <stevelucas3@...> wrote:
On page 86 of Spring, 2008 Classic Trains, there is a photo of a train
ascending Saluda grade on the Southern Ry. As usual, the photographer
concentrated on that black smoky thing pullin the train instead of the
what was behind it. Can anyone shed some light on the boxcar behind
the loco in the photo--the reporting marks seem to be SP 1xxxx, but
looks like a USRA steel sided-rebuild such as the Gerogia RR cars, with
a radial roof??

--- In STMFC@..., "Mark Mathu" <mark@...> wrote:

John Hile wrote:

I have the following ACF Type III wood reefers with wood ends as
still around in the early 50's. [...snip...]
...
Photo of WRX 9405 (9000-9499) in 1964 with GBW logo to right of
doors, sans-serif lettering.

Here's an image of WRX 9785 in revenue service and still with wood
ends in 1968:
http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=69303

____
Mark Mathu
Whitefish Bay, Wis.

An interesting looking car. Does anyone know its history?


Phil Marcus

Steve Lucas wrote:

. . . looks like a USRA steel sided-rebuild . . .

I should have added, No, it's not a USRA car, much closer to (though not the same as) the 1925 ARA proposed standard car.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history

John Hile wrote:

I have the following ACF Type III wood reefers with wood ends as
still around in the early 50's. [...snip...]
...
Photo of WRX 9405 (9000-9499) in 1964 with GBW logo to right of
doors, sans-serif lettering.

Here's an image of WRX 9785 in revenue service and still with wood
ends in 1968:
http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=69303

____
Mark Mathu
Whitefish Bay, Wis.

Steve Lucas wrote:

On page 86 of Spring, 2008 Classic Trains, there is a photo of a train ascending Saluda grade on the Southern Ry. As usual, the photographer concentrated on that black smoky thing pullin the train instead of the what was behind it. Can anyone shed some light on the boxcar behind the loco in the photo--the reporting marks seem to be SP 1xxxx, but looks like a USRA steel sided-rebuild such as the Gerogia RR cars, with a radial roof??

Yep, and the second digit is "4" -- it's an SP Class B-50-15 box car, rebuilt with steel sheet replacing the old wood sheathing. There are many photos, and a detailed class history, for these cars in my Vol. 4 on SP Freight Cars, which covers box cars.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history

On page 86 of Spring, 2008 Classic Trains, there is a photo of a train
ascending Saluda grade on the Southern Ry. As usual, the photographer
concentrated on that black smoky thing pullin the train instead of the
what was behind it. Can anyone shed some light on the boxcar behind
the loco in the photo--the reporting marks seem to be SP 1xxxx, but
looks like a USRA steel sided-rebuild such as the Gerogia RR cars, with
a radial roof??

Oops! My second question was answered right above. Guess I need to
pay more attention, at least that is what my wife says.

Gene Green
--- In STMFC@..., "Gene Green" <bierglaeser@...> wrote:

--- In STMFC@..., "leakinmywaders" <leakinmywaders@>
wrote: <snip>

There is one really nice Alba Bloss color shot ca. late 1950s of

NP

30603, a 50-ft single sheathed auto box, rebuilt to single door:

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/np/np30603abr.jpg

Chris Frissell
Polson, MT

That is an awfully nice photo. Thanks for bringing it to our
attention.

When was that car built?
Does the apparently excess door track indicate the car originally

had

double doors?
Is that an arched roof as opposed to peaked?

Gene Green
Out in the west Texas town of El Paso
It is 57 deg. now and we expect high 70s this afternoon.
But remember, it is a dry heat.

Back in the day AHM offered a RTR PMTX car, 3 domes I think.

One of these is among my souvenirs.

Ed

On Feb 29, 2008, at 6:09 AM, Gene Green wrote:

When was that car built?
Does the apparently excess door track indicate the car originally had
double doors?
Is that an arched roof as opposed to peaked?

Built in September, 1923, as a 1-1/2 door car with 10' door openings,
series 9000-9099. Rebuilt as single door cars and renumbered into the
30600 series in the 1930s. The roof is the original NP-designed
curved, metal sheathed wood roof which the NP called a "circular" roof
and applied to all of its house cars from the teens through the early
1930s.

Richard Hendrickson