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Sunshine's SFRD RR-20

John Fitts <jefitts2003@...>
 

Anyone know whether this car, introduced at Naperville in 2002, from patterns by Charlie Slater, is still available from Mr. Lofton? If so, anyone know the price?

Thanks once more.

John


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Re: Georgia RR retainer valve location?

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Jan 20, 2008, at 1:10 PM, al_brown03 wrote:

On the GA RR rebuilt USRA boxcars, does anyone know where the retainer
valve is located? The Tichy kit doesn't include this detail, and I'd
like to add it. I don't have a straight-on end picture of this car; I
know of some angled shots that show the B end, but I'm not sure if I'm
seeing the retainer line or the shadow of the handbrake staff.
Al, I have a photo which shows it, scan attached.

Richard Hendrickson


Georgia RR retainer valve location?

al_brown03
 

On the GA RR rebuilt USRA boxcars, does anyone know where the retainer
valve is located? The Tichy kit doesn't include this detail, and I'd
like to add it. I don't have a straight-on end picture of this car; I
know of some angled shots that show the B end, but I'm not sure if I'm
seeing the retainer line or the shadow of the handbrake staff.

TIA

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.


Re: WFE eaves question

hockenheim68
 

Thankyou Bob and Staffan for clearing up the eaves definition for
me. I must confess I am a bit unfailiar with ORERs as I haven't
found one for the year I model yet and given the cost of them I
likely won't purchase one unless I can find that year. The pages Bob
referenced were very helpful though and provided me with a lot of
info for projects down the line. In most cases when I am building I
can find car diagrams or photos to scale from (usually lots of both)
using whatever written evidence I can to substantiate what I am
seeing in the photos. Sometimes it works first time out, sometimes
not but after two attempts and a couple of mockups I can usually be
on my way. The good thing in 1:160th is that messing up the car sides
costs about 25 cents a go. The practice never hurts either...
Regards

Andrew Hutchinson
Surrey BC Canada

--- In STMFC@..., "Staffan Ehnbom"
<staffan.ehnbom@...> wrote:

Not a stupid question at all! It seems to be hard to establish
whether the height to eaves is to the bottom of the roof overhang or
the top of the roof at the side or to the top of the lateral running
board at the side. But judging by the GN 1940 diagram for the WFE
67000 series the 12'8" height is to the top of the roof at the side.

Staffan Ehnbom

----- Original Message -----
From: Andrew Hutchinson
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2008 2:24 AM
Subject: [STMFC] WFE eaves question


Hi, bit of a stupid question here...

I was searching for carbody heights on WFE series 67XXX wood
reefers
and I came across the FGE WFE handout. In it there was mention of
the
eaves being 12'-8" above the rail. I am not sure what the
deffintion of
the eaves is on cars of this construction. Is it the upper most
projection, ie the roof, or is it the little fascia that runs
underneath. Like I said, a stupid question but that is what I am
best
at. Thank you in advance.

Andrew Hutchinson





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


Re: WFE eaves question

Staffan Ehnbom <staffan.ehnbom@...>
 

Not a stupid question at all! It seems to be hard to establish whether the height to eaves is to the bottom of the roof overhang or the top of the roof at the side or to the top of the lateral running board at the side. But judging by the GN 1940 diagram for the WFE 67000 series the 12'8" height is to the top of the roof at the side.

Staffan Ehnbom

----- Original Message -----
From: Andrew Hutchinson
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2008 2:24 AM
Subject: [STMFC] WFE eaves question


Hi, bit of a stupid question here...

I was searching for carbody heights on WFE series 67XXX wood reefers
and I came across the FGE WFE handout. In it there was mention of the
eaves being 12'-8" above the rail. I am not sure what the deffintion of
the eaves is on cars of this construction. Is it the upper most
projection, ie the roof, or is it the little fascia that runs
underneath. Like I said, a stupid question but that is what I am best
at. Thank you in advance.

Andrew Hutchinson


Re: WFE eaves question

Tim O'Connor
 

lateral boards run 90 degrees to the lengthwise boards.

At 1/20/2008 02:33 PM Sunday, you wrote:
Hi Bob and list members,

I know what a running board is.

But I don't know what a 'latitudinal running board at side of car...' is.

Nor do I know what a 'lateral running board' is.

Can someone enlighten me?

BTW: Loved the hoppers book, Bob, thanks for writing it.

- Claus Schlund


Re: WFE eaves question

Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;)
 

Hi Bob and list members,

I know what a running board is.

But I don't know what a 'latitudinal running board at side of car...' is.

Nor do I know what a 'lateral running board' is.

Can someone enlighten me?

BTW: Loved the hoppers book, Bob, thanks for writing it.

- Claus Schlund

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Karig" <karig@...>
To: <STMFC@...>
Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2008 6:27 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] WFE eaves question


The answer to your question can be found in an ORER. That definition
reads:

"DIMENSIONS--OUTSIDE--HEIGHT FROM RAIL--TO EAVES OR TOP OF SIDES OR
PLATFORM" "...For Box, Refrigerator, Stock type of car, measurement
should
be taken from rail to top of eaves at side of car, except that where cars
are equipped with latitudinal running board measurement should be taken
from rail to top of latitudinal running board at side of car..."

In the accompanying diagram (Fig. 1), it shows the measurement being taken
to the top of the roof line at the side of the car, or, if the car has a
lateral running board, to the top of the running board.

There are some exceptions in cases where vertical type Z-bar side plates
are used, in which case there would be upper eaves and lower eaves, but
I'm
not sure that it applies in your case.

Bob



At 08:24 PM 1/19/2008, you wrote:
Hi, bit of a stupid question here...

I was searching for carbody heights on WFE series 67XXX wood reefers
and I came across the FGE WFE handout. In it there was mention of the
eaves being 12'-8" above the rail. I am not sure what the deffintion of
the eaves is on cars of this construction. Is it the upper most
projection, ie the roof, or is it the little fascia that runs
underneath. Like I said, a stupid question but that is what I am best
at. Thank you in advance.

Andrew Hutchinson



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Re: Ted's Essential Freight Cars

Richard Brennan <brennan8@...>
 

In Espee territory...
anything not within anticipation or remembrance of Xmas/New Year's... is "mid"
<VBG>

Richard B.

At 09:35 1/20/2008, Brian Paul Ehni wrote:
April is ³mid²?

8^)
--
Thanks!

Brian Ehni



From: Richard Brennan <brennan8@...>
Reply-To: <STMFC@...>
Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 08:50:45 -0800
To: <STMFC@...>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Ted's Essential Freight Cars





At 05:16 1/20/2008, John Fitts wrote:
Like a lot of you, I reckon, I've been collecting Ted Culotta's
Essential Freight Cars series from numero uno.

Now all of a sudden I've discovered I'm missing two: #27, which I
think was published in the January 2006 RMC, and #34, which
appeared between Sept.-December 2006. Can anyone help me with the
correct issue dates for nos. 27 and 34? Thanks.
The Essential Freight Cars article list through mid-2007 is in message
#61846:
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/STMFC/message/61846>

--------------------
Richard Brennan - San Leandro CA


Re: Ted's Essential Freight Cars

Brian Paul Ehni <behni@...>
 

April is ³mid²?

8^)
--
Thanks!

Brian Ehni



From: Richard Brennan <brennan8@...>
Reply-To: <STMFC@...>
Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 08:50:45 -0800
To: <STMFC@...>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Ted's Essential Freight Cars





At 05:16 1/20/2008, John Fitts wrote:
Like a lot of you, I reckon, I've been collecting Ted Culotta's
Essential Freight Cars series from numero uno.

Now all of a sudden I've discovered I'm missing two: #27, which I
think was published in the January 2006 RMC, and #34, which
appeared between Sept.-December 2006. Can anyone help me with the
correct issue dates for nos. 27 and 34? Thanks.
The Essential Freight Cars article list through mid-2007 is in message
#61846:
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/STMFC/message/61846>

--------------------
Richard Brennan - San Leandro CA


Re: Ted's Essential Freight Cars

Richard Brennan <brennan8@...>
 

At 05:16 1/20/2008, John Fitts wrote:
Like a lot of you, I reckon, I've been collecting Ted Culotta's Essential Freight Cars series from numero uno.

Now all of a sudden I've discovered I'm missing two: #27, which I think was published in the January 2006 RMC, and #34, which appeared between Sept.-December 2006. Can anyone help me with the correct issue dates for nos. 27 and 34? Thanks.
The Essential Freight Cars article list through mid-2007 is in message #61846:
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/STMFC/message/61846>


--------------------
Richard Brennan - San Leandro CA
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Re: Ted's Essential Freight Cars

jerryglow2
 

Try a search for Culotta, Ted on http://index.mrmag.com/ That's how I
got mine.

Jerry Glow

--- In STMFC@..., John Fitts <jefitts2003@...> wrote:

Like a lot of you, I reckon, I've been collecting Ted Culotta's
Essential Freight Cars series from numero uno.

Now all of a sudden I've discovered I'm missing two: #27, which I
think was published in the January 2006 RMC, and #34, which appeared
between Sept.-December 2006. Can anyone help me with the correct
issue dates for nos. 27 and 34? Thanks.

John Fitts


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Re: WFE eaves question

Bob Karig <karig@...>
 

The answer to your question can be found in an ORER. That definition reads:

"DIMENSIONS--OUTSIDE--HEIGHT FROM RAIL--TO EAVES OR TOP OF SIDES OR PLATFORM" "...For Box, Refrigerator, Stock type of car, measurement should be taken from rail to top of eaves at side of car, except that where cars are equipped with latitudinal running board measurement should be taken from rail to top of latitudinal running board at side of car..."

In the accompanying diagram (Fig. 1), it shows the measurement being taken to the top of the roof line at the side of the car, or, if the car has a lateral running board, to the top of the running board.

There are some exceptions in cases where vertical type Z-bar side plates are used, in which case there would be upper eaves and lower eaves, but I'm not sure that it applies in your case.

Bob

At 08:24 PM 1/19/2008, you wrote:
Hi, bit of a stupid question here...

I was searching for carbody heights on WFE series 67XXX wood reefers
and I came across the FGE WFE handout. In it there was mention of the
eaves being 12'-8" above the rail. I am not sure what the deffintion of
the eaves is on cars of this construction. Is it the upper most
projection, ie the roof, or is it the little fascia that runs
underneath. Like I said, a stupid question but that is what I am best
at. Thank you in advance.

Andrew Hutchinson


Re: Ted's Essential Freight Cars

Charles Morrill
 

I have #27 listed as January 2005 RMC and #34 as October 2006 in RMC.
Charlie --another EFC fan

----- Original Message -----
From: "John Fitts" <jefitts2003@...>
To: <STMFC@...>
Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2008 7:16 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Ted's Essential Freight Cars


Like a lot of you, I reckon, I've been collecting Ted Culotta's Essential Freight Cars series from numero uno.

Now all of a sudden I've discovered I'm missing two: #27, which I think was published in the January 2006 RMC, and #34, which appeared between Sept.-December 2006. Can anyone help me with the correct issue dates for nos. 27 and 34? Thanks.

John Fitts


Ted's Essential Freight Cars

John Fitts <jefitts2003@...>
 

Like a lot of you, I reckon, I've been collecting Ted Culotta's Essential Freight Cars series from numero uno.

Now all of a sudden I've discovered I'm missing two: #27, which I think was published in the January 2006 RMC, and #34, which appeared between Sept.-December 2006. Can anyone help me with the correct issue dates for nos. 27 and 34? Thanks.

John Fitts


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Re: HO scale Accurail prototypes

Mark Mathu
 

I've tried to round up a list of prototypes (or near matches) of
current Accurail models, derived from various sources on the WWW.
Here is my list: any improvements, additions, corrections & comments
are appreciated -- especially for those models appropriate for
discussion on the STMFC list.
Thanks, everyone for your comments to update the list. Here's an
updated list. I've also included the original descriptions for the
models which have been updated, in case anyone wishes to comment on
the accuracy of the changes made to the descriptions.


#2000 Center-Flow ACF Covered Hopper
http://www.accurail.com/accurail/2000.htm
BN cars built in 1982. (4600 cu.ft.?)

#2300 Canton Car Co. Great Northern Twin Hopper
http://www.accurail.com/accurail/2300.htm
GN 73000-73099 built 1929 and GN 73100-73199 built 1930 by Canton Car
Co, Canton, OH

#2400 USRA Coal Hopper
http://www.accurail.com/accurail/2400.htm
Original USRA design (year?).

#2700 55-Ton Wood Side Twin Hopper
http://www.accurail.com/accurail/2700.htm
NKP 30000-30749, built 1918
[Old description: Unique to PRR. ]

#2800 55-Ton Panel Side Twin Hopper
http://www.accurail.com/accurail/2800.htm
USRA rebuilds by Union Metal Products. SLSF, RI, others.

#3100 40' Plug Door Boxcar
http://www.accurail.com/accurail/3100.htm
Cars built for Soo Line, builder unknown, possibly home builds.

#3400 PS-1 Boxcar
http://www.accurail.com/accurail/3400.htm
Amalgam of PS-1 details: Roof 1947-50, eight foor door 1951+, ends
1951-53, side sills 1954+.

#3500 40' AAR Single Door Boxcar
http://www.accurail.com/accurail/3500.htm
1944 AAR standard design, 10'-6" height, R/3/4 late improved
dreadnaught ends. Resemble ACF boxcars built circa 1955 to 1961 for
SOO, D&M, T&P (with full-length side sills), CB&Q and C&S.
[Old description: 1944 AAR, 10'-6" height, 1/3/4 late improved
dreadnaught ends. ]

#3600 40' AAR Double Door Boxcar
http://www.accurail.com/accurail/3600.htm
Cars built by GN, ca. 1956. Roof and fishbelly side sills of GN
3000-3499 built 1955 and the sides and double 6' doors of GN 3500-3999
built in 1956.

#3700 41' AAR Steel Gondola
http://www.accurail.com/accurail/3700.htm
1941 AAR design built for ACL and GM&O.
[Old description: 41' AAR Steel Gondola ]

#4100 40' Outside Braced Boxcar - wood doors and wood ends
http://www.accurail.com/accurail/4100.htm
CN 500500-503499 cars built 1923, also AC and GTW.
[Old description: CN 500500-503499 cars built 1923. ]

#4300 40' Outside Braced Boxcar - wood doors and metal ends
http://www.accurail.com/accurail/4300.htm
GTW 1 1/2 door auto cars rebuilt with single doors after reassignment
to CN.

#4500 40' Outside Braced Boxcar - metal doors and metal ends
http://www.accurail.com/accurail/4500.htm
???

#4600 USRA Double Sheath Wood Boxcar
http://www.accurail.com/accurail/4600.htm
USRA double sheathed

#4700 40' Wood Stock Car
http://www.accurail.com/accurail/4700.htm
Great Northern 56050-56248, built in 1957 from wooden boxcars
constructed in 1919. The model has Murphy 5/5/5 rib ends; some
prototype cars had these ends and others had Murphy 6/7 ends.

#4800 40' Wood Refrigerator Car
http://www.accurail.com/accurail/4800.htm
BREX 75000-75999 built 1926, rebuilt without ice hatch platforms c. 1950.

#5000 50' Single Door Riveted-Side Boxcar
http://www.accurail.com/accurail/5000.htm
ACF 12 panel boxcar- SP and MP. (Branchline did the more common 16
panel sides.)

#5100 50' Plug Door Riveted-Side Boxcar
http://www.accurail.com/accurail/5100.htm
???

#5200 50' Double Door Riveted-Side Boxcar
http://www.accurail.com/accurail/5200.htm
Close to SP class B-50-36 and B-50-38, with some work on the side sills.
[Old description: Close to some SP cars, with some work on the side
sills. ]

#5300 50' Combo Door Riveted-Side Boxcar
http://www.accurail.com/accurail/5300.htm
???

#5600 50' Exterior Post Modern Boxcar
http://www.accurail.com/accurail/5600.htm
ACF Precision Design X-Post Plate B boxcar from late 1960s.
[Old description: ACF Precision Design X-Post boxcar ]

#5700 50' Welded-Side Single Door Boxcar
http://www.accurail.com/accurail/5700.htm
???

#5800 50' Welded-Side Plug Door Boxcar
http://www.accurail.com/accurail/5800.htm
???

#5900 50' Welded-Side Double Door Boxcar
http://www.accurail.com/accurail/5900.htm
???

#7000 6-Panel Outside Braced Boxcar with wood ends
http://www.accurail.com/accurail/7000.htm
Closest match are several groups of IC cars built in the early
twenties by Haskel & Barker, Western Steel Car Co, and ACF.

#7100 6-Panel Outside Braced Boxcar with Dreadnaught ends
http://www.accurail.com/accurail/7100.htm
IC 176000 - 176999, built in 1927 by Pullman.

#7500 70-Ton Offset-Side Triple Hopper
http://www.accurail.com/accurail/7500.htm
AAR standard of 1935. Production of the prototype cars began in the
late 1930s and continued until at least 1960.

#8900 89-Foot TOFC Piggyback Flatcar
http://www.accurail.com/accurail/8900.htm
Bethlehem Steel 89' piggyback flat introduced late 1968.

#9200 89' Open Auto Racks (Bi-Level / Tri-Level)
http://www.accurail.com/accurail/autorack.htm
Bethlehem Steel 89' piggyback flat introduced late 1968, with
Paragon's asymmetric Para-Pac introduced in 1967.

____
Mark


Re: Sunshine kits...

Jared Harper <harper-brown@...>
 

--- In STMFC@..., "Jack Burgess" <jack@...> wrote:

Did I really write "...for sell"? My 8th grade English teacher would
be
rolling in her grave...try "...for sale"!
I hate to say this, but here in the South you see things "for sell"
regularly. It is a function of the dialect. You also see "boil
peanuts."
Jared Harper
Athens, GA


Re: Harold K. Vollrath

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Garth Groff wrote:
You can get very good detail at 200 dpi in color, and 300 dpi in gray scale. If you have the processor speed and the memory, you can go to 600 dpi, which I believe is what is used for magazine reproduction. A lot depends on your scanner . . . Anything smaller tends to come out really fuzzy, especially 35 mm.
Garth, these comments and numbers simply are not meaningful. If the print is sharp or not so sharp, yes, results will vary. I have scanned images up to 1500 dpi and gotten excellent detail not visible at lower resolutions, but those were good, sharp prints. I have also scanned snapshots at 300 dpi which was largely wasted resolution, as they were simply not in focus in the first place. The limit, obviously, is the silver halide grain size, though few photographers have optics capable of that level of sharpness. That would be around 4000 dpi for most B&W film.
The problem with 35 mm slides is that the original is so small. To print such an image full page width, it is enlarged 7 times. If you divide your scanner resolution by 7, you will see where you are headed unless you have a high-end slide scanner. That said, many amateur photographers took 35 mm slides as though they were snapshots, without careful focus, and yep, they tend to be fuzzy. Better scanners can't put back that lack of focus.

The real problem is that most home printers will turn detail into mud.
Again, IT DEPENDS. Scan the print at, say, 1200 dpi and then enlarge until the part you want is around 300 dpi. If the detail is in the original photo, you will now see it, NOT mud. The interplay of image size and resolution requires you to be attentive to BOTH sides of the story.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: silver halide photography

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

ed_mines wrote:
So has anyone had recent contact with Mr. Vollrath?
Just wrote for and received permission to publish some photos a couple of weeks ago.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


WFE eaves question

hockenheim68
 

Hi, bit of a stupid question here...

I was searching for carbody heights on WFE series 67XXX wood reefers
and I came across the FGE WFE handout. In it there was mention of the
eaves being 12'-8" above the rail. I am not sure what the deffintion of
the eaves is on cars of this construction. Is it the upper most
projection, ie the roof, or is it the little fascia that runs
underneath. Like I said, a stupid question but that is what I am best
at. Thank you in advance.

Andrew Hutchinson


Re: NYC Trailer Train Prototypes

Malcolm Laughlin <mlaughlinnyc@...>
 

Before 1960 TOFC was not possible on the NYC because of clearances. There were many bridges east of Buffalo with 15'6" clearance. That's why we saw Flexivans on NYC and TOFC on the PRR. Later NYC began running TOFC to eastern points that they could get to because clearances had been increased for the multi-level autoracks.

Malcolm Laughlin, Editor 617-489-4383
New England Rail Shipper Directories
19 Holden Road, Belmont, MA 02478

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