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NS lowside gon
seaboard_1966
Hey guys, need a bit of help here. WrightTRAK is looking for photos of Original NS low side gons.
Any help is greatly appreciated. Regards, Denis Blake Marysville, OH
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Forgot the link
seaboard_1966
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Re: Elden Gatwood, your server is blocking email too
Gatwood, Elden J SAD <Elden.J.Gatwood@...>
Tom;
I am sorry! I do not like this set-up. Try elden.j.gatwood "at" usace "dot" army "dot" mil And if that doesn't work, let me know and I will speak to IT. Thanks, Elden ________________________________ From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Tom Madden Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 10:14 AM To: STMFC@... Subject: [STMFC] Elden Gatwood, your server is blocking email too Very sorry to take up the bandwith here. Elden, I've tried sending two emails to your address as listed in TKM, one with an attachment and one without, both with benign subjects. Both bounced and your ISP says: The following message to <Gatwood@...<mailto:Gatwood%40sad01.usace.army.mil> > was undeliverable.Tom Madden
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Elden Gatwood, your server is blocking email too
Tom Madden <tgmadden@...>
Very sorry to take up the bandwith here. Elden, I've tried sending two
emails to your address as listed in TKM, one with an attachment and one without, both with benign subjects. Both bounced and your ISP says: The following message to <Gatwood@...> wasTom Madden
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Re: Question re 12-Panel boxcars
Gatwood, Elden J SAD <Elden.J.Gatwood@...>
Tim;
You are right. My C&BT X29B has rivets the size of my fist (well, if I was little, that is). Elden ________________________________ From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 8:47 AM To: STMFC@... Subject: RE: [STMFC] Question re 12-Panel boxcars The C&BT tooling is pretty crude by current standards. At 1/18/2008 07:36 AM Friday, you wrote: Thank you, Carl![mailto:STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Carl J. Marsico
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Re: Question re 12-Panel boxcars
The C&BT tooling is pretty crude by current standards.
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At 1/18/2008 07:36 AM Friday, you wrote:
Thank you, Carl!
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Re: Harold K. Vollrath
An important factor in pulling detail out of shadows is
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the scanner's "dynamic range". You can find inexpensive scanners now with a DR above 3.2, which is very good. But note that DR claims can be deceiving -- http://www.scantips.com/basic14b.html Tim O'Connor
At 1/18/2008 01:38 AM Friday, you wrote:
I take your points Rufus, My comment arises from my experience with
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Re: Harold K. Vollrath
Rufus, do you know the size (pixel dimensions) of the scans on
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the NP freight car CD's? I usually avoid CD's because scans are often 1024x768 or some other 'tiny' format... (my screen size is 1920x1200) Tim O'Connor
To keep this discussion on track with freight cars, it is worthwhile to point
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Re: Harold K. Vollrath
Garth Groff <ggg9y@...>
Rob,
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You can get very good detail at 200 dpi in color, and 300 dpi in gray scale. If you have the processor speed and the memory, you can go to 600 dpi, which I believe is what is used for magazine reproduction. A lot depends on your scanner and the size of the negative or print that is being scanned. Most classic rainfan negatives were shot on 616 film, IIRC 2 1/4 x 4 inches or so. This is about the minimum sized negative for a good scan. Anything smaller tends to come out really fuzzy, especially 35 mm. The real problem is that most home printers will turn detail into mud. I use an Epson Photo 870, which was once one of the best home ink jets available. My test prints looked about the same at 300 and 600 dpi, so I settled on 300 to save memory. They are good images, but not as good as a sharp darkroom print. I've come to the conclusion that a laser printer would do better, and their price has dropped to about what I paid for the Epson. If you lose detail with digital photos, you can also gain in the ability to correct flaws like scratches and dust spots that are hard to fix with darkroom prints. It's a trade-off. A bigger problem seems to be some resistance to digital photos by buyers. If it didn't come from a dark room, some buyers feel the image isn't worth buying. For several years I have tried to sell digital copies of my WP and SN collection, and have been met with stony indifference. Kind regards, Garth G. Groff Rob Kirkham wrote:
But surely in the process all of that lovely fine detail that one could pick out of a chemical process print is lost on a digital print (unless they are going to huge resolution files)? No?
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Re: Question re 12-Panel boxcars
Gatwood, Elden J SAD <Elden.J.Gatwood@...>
Thank you, Carl!
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Elden Gatwood ________________________________ From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Carl J. Marsico Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 7:36 AM To: STMFC@... Subject: Re: [STMFC] Question re 12-Panel boxcars CB&T is 10'6" IH, Intermountain is 10' IH. Branchline had announced 12-panel cars awhile back, presumably 10'6" IH to fit their existing components, but I've heard a problem arose w/their die maker. Carl J. Marsico
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From: "Gatwood, Elden J SAD" <Elden.J.Gatwood@... <mailto:Elden.J.Gatwood%40sad01.usace.army.mil> > To: STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 6:24:02 AM Subject: RE: [STMFC] Question re 12-Panel boxcars Guys; How does the C&BT compare to the Intermountain 12-panel? Is there some difference that makes the C&BT the only choice for this application? Thanks, Elden Gatwood ____________ _________ _________ __ From: STMFC@yahoogroups. com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of jim peters Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 12:09 PM To: stmfc@yahoogroups. com Subject: RE: [STMFC] Question re 12-Panel boxcars Sorry for the late respose, In your post from a month ago, Mark you mentioned C&BT kits 10'-6" IH, 12-pnl boxcar. Looking at Walthers "Reference" book, I see 3 different kit numbers listed (193-13500, -10500, -11300) . . . it was my understanding most of C&BT's later efforts are more like "Blue-Box" wanna-be's. The question is are any of the kit number above the older style kit with separate ladders, grabs, etc? All I really want is the body shell/s. Jim Peters Coquitlam, BC To: STMFC@yahoogroups. comFrom <mailto:STMFC% 40yahoogroups. comFrom> : Goatfisher2@ comcast.netDate <mailto:Goatfisher2 %40comcast. netDate> : Sun, 16 Dec 2007 20:35:44 -0800Subject: RE: [STMFC] Boxcar details and paint, series GN 20500-21449 Mark,Here's some info that may help you out:3) All in this series had the 5 panel Superior Door.5) Build date for series 20500 - 21499 is 1952.6) Yup - that's original paint. Consider also Microscale 87-185.For references:Mainline Modeler - 9/85, 11/2001, 12/2001RMJ - 10/1998 IIRC, the Mainline articles are your better bet - the RMJ article was mostlyabout a Duane Buck customization of an Intermountain 10' 12 panel car, butmight have had photos of the 10' 6" car.Best starting point - C&BT 10'6" 12-panel car* with 4/3/1 ends. Throw awaythe details and replace with appropriate details from Plano, Branchline,etc. * At some point in the past there was discussion of Branchline bringing outa 10' 6" 12-panel car. I'm not aware of this happening, but if it did, itmight well be a better choice.Ping me if you need more.Best regards,Steve HaasSammamish, WA ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _
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Re: Question re 12-Panel boxcars
Carl J. Marsico <Carlmarsico@...>
CB&T is 10'6" IH, Intermountain is 10' IH. Branchline had announced 12-panel cars awhile back, presumably 10'6" IH to fit their existing components, but I've heard a problem arose w/their die maker.
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Carl J. Marsico
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From: "Gatwood, Elden J SAD" <Elden.J.Gatwood@...> To: STMFC@... Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 6:24:02 AM Subject: RE: [STMFC] Question re 12-Panel boxcars Guys; How does the C&BT compare to the Intermountain 12-panel? Is there some difference that makes the C&BT the only choice for this application? Thanks, Elden Gatwood ____________ _________ _________ __ From: STMFC@yahoogroups. com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of jim peters Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 12:09 PM To: stmfc@yahoogroups. com Subject: RE: [STMFC] Question re 12-Panel boxcars Sorry for the late respose, In your post from a month ago, Mark you mentioned C&BT kits 10'-6" IH, 12-pnl boxcar. Looking at Walthers "Reference" book, I see 3 different kit numbers listed (193-13500, -10500, -11300) . . . it was my understanding most of C&BT's later efforts are more like "Blue-Box" wanna-be's. The question is are any of the kit number above the older style kit with separate ladders, grabs, etc? All I really want is the body shell/s. Jim Peters Coquitlam, BC To: STMFC@yahoogroups. comFrom <mailto:STMFC% 40yahoogroups. comFrom> : Goatfisher2@ comcast.netDate <mailto:Goatfisher2 %40comcast. netDate> : Sun, 16 Dec 2007 20:35:44 -0800Subject: RE: [STMFC] Boxcar details and paint, series GN 20500-21449 Mark,Here's some info that may help you out:3) All in this series had the 5 panel Superior Door.5) Build date for series 20500 - 21499 is 1952.6) Yup - that's original paint. Consider also Microscale 87-185.For references:Mainline Modeler - 9/85, 11/2001, 12/2001RMJ - 10/1998 IIRC, the Mainline articles are your better bet - the RMJ article was mostlyabout a Duane Buck customization of an Intermountain 10' 12 panel car, butmight have had photos of the 10' 6" car.Best starting point - C&BT 10'6" 12-panel car* with 4/3/1 ends. Throw awaythe details and replace with appropriate details from Plano, Branchline,etc. * At some point in the past there was discussion of Branchline bringing outa 10' 6" 12-panel car. I'm not aware of this happening, but if it did, itmight well be a better choice.Ping me if you need more.Best regards,Steve HaasSammamish, WA ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _
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Fw: N&W in 1903 -- New Cars
James F. Brewer <jfbrewer@...>
All,
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Here is a posting from the NWHS mailing list that I thought might interest some here. Jim Brewer Glenwood MD
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From: NW Mailing List To: N&W Mailing 1List Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 10:07 PM Subject: N&W in 1903 -- New Cars ORDERS PLACED FOR LARGE NUMBER OF COAL CARS ------ To meet the constantly increasing growth of its coal traffic the Norfolk and Western railway has announced that it will build 500 new cars at its own shops, for fall delivery. The cars will have a carrying capacity of 100,000 pounds and will have frames of steel. Double I-beam bolsters and truck frames of the barber* type will be used, with cast steel center plates. The bottom will be constructed of copper. The additional rolling stock will represent an outlay of about $500,000. Norfolk is one of the greatest coal distributing points on the Atlantic coast, and the trade is rapidly increasing in volume every year. The Norfolk and Western has announced that it will continue to haul cars as the conditions justify. The 500 new cars will be ready for service when the fall activity in shipping begins. Bluefield Daily Telegraph July 30, 1903 [*John C. Barber developed the freight car truck that bears his name in the 1890's , and he shortly thereafter founded Standard Car Truck Co., which has developed a much refined version that is available today. The traditional Barber truck is characterized by variable damping, meaning that the snubbing action is load dependent, i.e., the resistance to bouncing is greater for a loaded car than an empty car. The traditional competitive freight car truck has been characterized by constant snubbing force regardless of the loaded or empty state of the car.] Gordon Hamilton -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ________________________________________ NW-Mailing-List@... To change your subscription go to http://list.nwhs.org/mailman/options/nw-mailing-list Browse the NW-Mailing-List archives at http://list.nwhs.org/pipermail/nw-mailing-list/
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Re: Question re 12-Panel boxcars
Gatwood, Elden J SAD <Elden.J.Gatwood@...>
Guys;
How does the C&BT compare to the Intermountain 12-panel? Is there some difference that makes the C&BT the only choice for this application? Thanks, Elden Gatwood ________________________________ From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of jim peters Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 12:09 PM To: stmfc@... Subject: RE: [STMFC] Question re 12-Panel boxcars Sorry for the late respose, In your post from a month ago, Mark you mentioned C&BT kits 10'-6" IH, 12-pnl boxcar. Looking at Walthers "Reference" book, I see 3 different kit numbers listed (193-13500, -10500, -11300) . . . it was my understanding most of C&BT's later efforts are more like "Blue-Box" wanna-be's. The question is are any of the kit number above the older style kit with separate ladders, grabs, etc? All I really want is the body shell/s. Jim Peters Coquitlam, BC To: STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.comFrom> : Goatfisher2@... <mailto:Goatfisher2%40comcast.netDate> : Sun, 16 Dec 2007 20:35:44 -0800Subject: RE: [STMFC] Boxcar details and paint, series GN 20500-21449 Mark,Here's some info that may help you out:3) All in this series had the 5 panel Superior Door.5) Build date for series 20500 - 21499 is 1952.6) Yup - that's original paint. Consider also Microscale 87-185.For references:Mainline Modeler - 9/85, 11/2001, 12/2001RMJ - 10/1998 IIRC, the Mainline articles are your better bet - the RMJ article was mostlyabout a Duane Buck customization of an Intermountain 10' 12 panel car, butmight have had photos of the 10' 6" car.Best starting point - C&BT 10'6" 12-panel car* with 4/3/1 ends. Throw awaythe details and replace with appropriate details from Plano, Branchline,etc.* At some point in the past there was discussion of Branchline bringing outa 10' 6" 12-panel car. I'm not aware of this happening, but if it did, itmight well be a better choice.Ping me if you need more.Best regards,Steve HaasSammamish, WA __________________________________________________________
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Re: Speedwitch web site (Was Athearn C&NW 65 ft mill gon)
Gatwood, Elden J SAD <Elden.J.Gatwood@...>
Guys;
Sorry for using up your time. My server is blocking access to that site for some reason. I have tried changing what settings I can change, and no dice. It must be the Army filter or something. Maybe it is the words "model" and "witch" in combination.... Thanks for helping, Elden Gatwood ________________________________ From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of tbarney2004 Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 6:48 PM To: STMFC@... Subject: [STMFC] Re: Speedwitch web site (Was Athearn C&NW 65 ft mill gon) --- In STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> , "Gatwood, Elden J SAD " <Elden.J.Gatwood@...> wrote: several days...I just tried here Elden, about 6:$5pm Thursday...came right up, no hesitation. Tim Barney
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Re: SPAM-BL Re: Re: Harold K. Vollrath
Rufus Cone <cone@...>
Yes, I too greatly value traditional high resolution silver halide prints, for
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example, builders photographs from Alco Historic Photos. Contact prints made from historic 8x10 negatives have detail that is amazing even under a high powered loupe magnifier. On the other hand some of the silver halide freight car prints that I have purchased over the years are disappointing. Many are still "the only thing out there" on those cars, though, so the prints can be quite valuable for freight car research despite the quality. Either approach - silver halide or digital - can give good results in the right hands. The right originals of old images are important in either case - good full-range negatives that were well focused and properly exposed and developed, instead of poor "thin" copy negatives. I used to use Kodak Technical Pan film to make copy negatives of historic black and white freight car photos. The negatives were great, but often it was a challenge to control tonality in printing. Reflections on the originals also presented challenges, even with polarized light. It is much easier to copy prints with a digital flatbed scanner. The digital scan generally gives you far greater ability to pull out shadow detail on freigh car underbodies when copying prints that have "blocked-up" shadows than does copying onto film. Scanning from negatives is always preferred over scanning from a print; the print always has less range than the negative unless made by an exceptionally skilled printer. Also, I second Tony Thompson's remarks that paper and chemical supplies for silver halide photography will continue to be available for many years. Rufus Cone Bozeman, MT Rob Kirkham wrote:
I take your points Rufus, My comment arises from my experience with
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Re: Harold K. Vollrath
Rob Kirkham <rdkirkham@...>
I take your points Rufus, My comment arises from my experience with prints - and scanning them at very high resolution to identify tiny details in the background - often freight cars in a yard of interest. I have found that a 30 or 50 year old black and white print will provide a lot more information when blown up that way than will the typical 8x10 print I buy from the local archives. I suspect that is simply because they scan at 300 dpi, and it isn't sufficient for those tiny details....
Rob Kirkham
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Re: Harold K. Vollrath
Rufus Cone <cone@...>
All the lovely fine detail that one could pick out of a well-done chemical
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process print is _not necessarily_ lost in a digital print. Quite the contrary, even if you have middle range equipment. With Photoshop or lower priced image processing, you can "bring up the shadows" by manipulating "curves" or using "shadow/highlight" commands, revealing shadow detail that would be lost to all chemical darkroom printers except the most skilled and dedicated. This can give spectacular improvement in underbody detail, hopper end detail, etc. It is widely accepted among very critical fine art photographers that even if they still shoot negatives or transparencies, color or black and white, and even if they are still using 4x5 cameras for image capture, that they should scan their negatives or transparencies and print them digitally. Fine art digital printing has surpassed the quality of silver halide printing except for very specialized situations. Fine art digital prints are concerned with the rendering of detail and smooth tonal variation that we have associated with silver halid photography. Digital printers that are far less expensive than a brass locomotive are capable of exceptional quality. Assuming you already have image processing software for your digital camera, you can get a scanner and printer capable of this competitive quality for less that $1000 total for both (not each). To keep this discussion on track with freight cars, it is worthwhile to point out that many railway historical societies are producing CD's of scanned photographs. NPRHA is an example http://www1.storehost.com/stores/xq/xfm/store_id.615/page_id.23/Item_ID.134651/parent_ids.0,0,11/qx/store.htm http://www1.storehost.com/stores/xq/xfm/store_id.615/page_id.23/Item_ID.151419/parent_ids.0,0,11/qx/store.htm I make these judgements after long personal experience with traditional silver halide photography. The customers of Jack's high end lab would not accept the change to digital if improved quality were not provided by that lab after the change. They have to face their own commercial customers who demand the best. Rufus Cone Bozeman, MT Rob Kirkham wrote:
But surely in the process all of that lovely fine detail that one could pick
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Re: Sunshine kits...
Scott Pitzer
--- In STMFC@..., "Jack Burgess" <jack@...> wrote:
------------------------------------ Last time I looked, the group rules included a section about "items for sell"-- and Mike didn't seem like he was going to change it (when I pointed it out.) He had a justification for it... or something. Scott Pitzer
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Re: Question re 12-Panel boxcars
Larry Jackman <Ljack70117@...>
I do not believe that either. How many 10s of thousand mold makers are there in this world. One could not stop the project> If one wont do it then find a second or third. The person doing the project is at fault.
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Thank you Larry Jackman ljack70117@... Boca Raton FL 33434 I was born with nothing and I have most of it left.
On Jan 17, 2008, at 8:31 PM, SUVCWORR@... wrote:
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Re: Harold K. Vollrath
Rob Kirkham <rdkirkham@...>
But surely in the process all of that lovely fine detail that one could pick out of a chemical process print is lost on a digital print (unless they are going to huge resolution files)? No?
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Rob Kirkham
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From: "Jack Burgess" <jack@...> To: <STMFC@...> Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 10:30 AM Subject: RE: [STMFC] Re: Harold K. Vollrath I've long used a high-end professional lab for developing slide film, B/W
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