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Re: Photo: Pickle Car - further question

Eric Hansmann
 

John,

 

I checked through my October 1926 ORER and to not see this listing. In what ORER have you seen this? Also, where would it be? After the private lines listing? In the back near the editorial content?

 

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Barry
Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2021 3:18 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Pickle Car - further question

 

Eric,

 

Check the listing of reporting marks in the back of your ORERs that are missing the L&S cars.  Not all private car owners listings appeared in every ORER.  When a company had cars but wasn't listed in that edition, there was a mark like the dagger symbol indicating such.  I discovered that with True's Oil Company, TOCX, which had the same 3 compartment car forever, but it only showed up in half of the ORERs I checked.   

 

John Barry

 

ATSF North Bay Lines 

Golden Gates & Fast Freights 

Lovettsville, VA

 

 

707-490-9696 

 

 

 

 

 

 

On Wednesday, June 30, 2021, 03:49:39 PM EDT, Eric Hansmann <eric@...> wrote:

 

 

Thank you, David. I caught up with the details in your book. I am focused on 1926 so both companies would be independent.

 

The ownership table on page 132 of your book indicates ten Lutz & Schramm cars in December 1926, but I do not see a listing for L&S in the October 1926 or May 1925 ORERs. I don’t understand why there isn’t a listing in either ORER. I see L&S in the June 1917 ORER, but not in the two issues I have from the mid-1920s.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

 

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Leider
Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2021 10:04 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Pickle Car - further question

 

Lutz & Schramm was purchased by Squire-Dingee in 1937, although it kept its name. At one time they had 14 cars.  There is a photo in my pickle book showing a L&S car new in 1946. It was built by the Thrall Car company. 
They purchased Cruikshank Brothers in 1952. They had 3 cars at one time. Both used the typical 4 vat cars. Heinz also had 4 vat cars, but most were the enclosed type.
Hope this helps
David Leider


Another eBay listing

Clark Propst
 


Re: Photo: Pickle Car - further question

John Barry
 

Eric,

Check the listing of reporting marks in the back of your ORERs that are missing the L&S cars.  Not all private car owners listings appeared in every ORER.  When a company had cars but wasn't listed in that edition, there was a mark like the dagger symbol indicating such.  I discovered that with True's Oil Company, TOCX, which had the same 3 compartment car forever, but it only showed up in half of the ORERs I checked.   

John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA


707-490-9696 






On Wednesday, June 30, 2021, 03:49:39 PM EDT, Eric Hansmann <eric@...> wrote:


Thank you, David. I caught up with the details in your book. I am focused on 1926 so both companies would be independent.

 

The ownership table on page 132 of your book indicates ten Lutz & Schramm cars in December 1926, but I do not see a listing for L&S in the October 1926 or May 1925 ORERs. I don’t understand why there isn’t a listing in either ORER. I see L&S in the June 1917 ORER, but not in the two issues I have from the mid-1920s.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

 

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Leider
Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2021 10:04 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Pickle Car - further question

 

Lutz & Schramm was purchased by Squire-Dingee in 1937, although it kept its name. At one time they had 14 cars.  There is a photo in my pickle book showing a L&S car new in 1946. It was built by the Thrall Car company. 
They purchased Cruikshank Brothers in 1952. They had 3 cars at one time. Both used the typical 4 vat cars. Heinz also had 4 vat cars, but most were the enclosed type.
Hope this helps
David Leider


Re: Photo: Pickle Car - further question

Eric Hansmann
 

Thank you, David. I caught up with the details in your book. I am focused on 1926 so both companies would be independent.

 

The ownership table on page 132 of your book indicates ten Lutz & Schramm cars in December 1926, but I do not see a listing for L&S in the October 1926 or May 1925 ORERs. I don’t understand why there isn’t a listing in either ORER. I see L&S in the June 1917 ORER, but not in the two issues I have from the mid-1920s.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

 

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Leider
Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2021 10:04 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Pickle Car - further question

 

Lutz & Schramm was purchased by Squire-Dingee in 1937, although it kept its name. At one time they had 14 cars.  There is a photo in my pickle book showing a L&S car new in 1946. It was built by the Thrall Car company. 
They purchased Cruikshank Brothers in 1952. They had 3 cars at one time. Both used the typical 4 vat cars. Heinz also had 4 vat cars, but most were the enclosed type.
Hope this helps
David Leider


Re: Photo: Pickle Car6 further question

Eric Hansmann
 

Mel,

 

Part of your answer lies in your years of focus.

 

 

The October 1926 ORER (page 882) lists the following for HJ Heinz Refrigerator cars.

400-502 :: Outside length 36-ft, 1-in; 1953 cubic foot capacity; 60,000 lbs capacity - 34 cars
A notation for these cars indicates they are insulated but do not have ice tanks or ventilating devices.

400-502 :: Outside length 36-ft, 1-in; 1953 cubic foot capacity; 50,000 lbs capacity - 7 cars
A note indicates these are for car #s 424, 448, 472, 482, 488, 496, and 502.
Another notation indicates they are insulated but do not have ice tanks or ventilating devices.

The January 1943 ORER only lists pickle and vinegar tank cars in the HJ Heinz fleet (page 855). There are no refrigerator or insulated boxcars.

What years do you model?

 

Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of mel perry
Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2021 10:15 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Pickle Car6 further question

 

john:

are you fimilar with the.HJH boxcars/reefes? were they 34 or 36 footers? and  did the two paint schemes

have anything to do with their size?

were plans/drawings of these ever

published

thanks

;-)

mel perry

On Fri, Jun 25, 2021, 12:57 PM John <jbopp007@...> wrote:

The Heinz 57 SIG was quite active from 1984 through, maybe, 1991.  It was fairly large, too.  I was member #90 and by no means the last.  Al Westerfield was member #1.  There were four to six newsletters per year, some of them running to twenty pages, IIRC.  In the beginning, plenty of Heinz freight car photos and other information came to light.  But, eventually, that well dried up and interest fell off.  As there was little new information to be found there were fewer newsletters.  Eventually the group shut down.

 

John Bopp

Farmington Hills, MI

Modeling the Nineteen Aughts


Re: FS: Railway Prototype Cyclopedia 31-32

Charlie Duckworth
 

Above book is sold. 
--
Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.


FS: Railway Prototype Cyclopedia 31-32

Charlie Duckworth
 

Mint condition RPC 31-32 256 pages. $40 plus $4 media shipping.   Contact me off list. Shipping to US lower 48 only. 
--
Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.


Re: Photo: Pickle Car6 further question

mel perry
 

john:
are you fimilar with the.HJH boxcars/reefes? were they 34 or 36 footers? and  did the two paint schemes
have anything to do with their size?
were plans/drawings of these ever
published
thanks
;-)
mel perry


On Fri, Jun 25, 2021, 12:57 PM John <jbopp007@...> wrote:
The Heinz 57 SIG was quite active from 1984 through, maybe, 1991.  It was fairly large, too.  I was member #90 and by no means the last.  Al Westerfield was member #1.  There were four to six newsletters per year, some of them running to twenty pages, IIRC.  In the beginning, plenty of Heinz freight car photos and other information came to light.  But, eventually, that well dried up and interest fell off.  As there was little new information to be found there were fewer newsletters.  Eventually the group shut down.

John Bopp
Farmington Hills, MI
Modeling the Nineteen Aughts


Re: New YouTube video...

Jack Burgess <jack@...>
 

Thanks Gary…I was gone all day but you confirmed my statement. I had been doing this for years but went online to confirm my understanding before we made that video…

 

Jack

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gary Roe
Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2021 5:13 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] New YouTube video...

 

Bob,

Yes, that is the way I understood it as well.

 

gary roe

quincy, illinois

 

 

 

On Tuesday, June 29, 2021, 07:09:20 PM CDT, Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:

 

 

If I am understanding the proper use of the drill bit gauge Jack discusses at 13:35, you test the drill bit in successively smaller holes until it will not fit into a hole. That hole indicates the proper drill bit size, correct?
Thanks.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


Re: Express Reefer brakes

Dennis Storzek <destorzek@...>
 

And a photo:



Dennis Storzek


Re: Express Reefer brakes

Dennis Storzek <destorzek@...>
 

On Tue, Jun 29, 2021 at 06:17 PM, Steve SANDIFER wrote:
This is the end of an ATSF express reefer. 1) what kind of brake is this?
It's a Miner product made for passenger cars. It was available  with both inside and outside operating handles if needed:


I'm not sure anyone makes thia exact part; when I did some etched brass Soo Line passenger cars twenty years ago I had to make the hand brake from a stack of etchings.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Express Reefer brakes

Dave Parker
 

That hand brake is very similar, if not quite identical, to what Miner called a "chain type" brake in their 1921 catalog.

I have never seen a Pre Scale part that's a match.  Athearn makes one, but it is not sold as a separate part.  It can be found on some of their Roundhouse milk cars.
--
Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA


Re: Express Reefer brakes

O Fenton Wells
 

I believe Precision Scale make this brake device
Fenton 


On Jun 29, 2021, at 9:17 PM, Steve SANDIFER <steve.sandifer@...> wrote:

This is the end of an ATSF express reefer. 1) what kind of brake is this? 2) does anyone make a model of it, plastic or brass? 
<4016 Exp reefer brake.jpg>


Express Reefer brakes

Steve SANDIFER
 

This is the end of an ATSF express reefer. 1) what kind of brake is this? 2) does anyone make a model of it, plastic or brass? 


Re: New YouTube video...

Gary Roe
 

Bob,
Yes, that is the way I understood it as well.

gary roe
quincy, illinois



On Tuesday, June 29, 2021, 07:09:20 PM CDT, Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:


If I am understanding the proper use of the drill bit gauge Jack discusses at 13:35, you test the drill bit in successively smaller holes until it will not fit into a hole. That hole indicates the proper drill bit size, correct?
Thanks.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


Re: New YouTube video...

Bob Chaparro
 

If I am understanding the proper use of the drill bit gauge Jack discusses at 13:35, you test the drill bit in successively smaller holes until it will not fit into a hole. That hole indicates the proper drill bit size, correct?
Thanks.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


Re: Walthers HO Scale Gondola

Bob Chapman
 

Chad Boas also offered similar (the same?) spiral dreadnaught ends at Chicagoland a few years back.
 
Regards,
Bob Chapman


Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Pittsburgh_Coke & Chemicals 3 compartment tank in 1954...

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Group;

 

Big in the post-war were many products produced for manufacturers that made things like wire insulation, vinyl, flooring, synthetic leathers, synthetic rubbers, etc.

 

There were manufacturers all over the country receiving cars like this.  More than we realize.

 

Pittsburgh Coke and Chemical, Pennsylvania Industrial Chemical Co., and USSteel’s Clairton Byproducts plant, in the Mon/Ohio River valley, were all shipping out chemicals used in “plastics”.  Hundreds of carloads a month.

 

Here’s Howard Fogg’s painting of the former….

 

Elden Gatwood

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2021 11:15 AM
To: STMFC <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Pittsburgh_Coke & Chemicals 3 compartment tank in 1954...

 

Hi List Members,

 

Pittsburgh_Coke & Chemicals 3 compartment tank in 1954...

 

 

Info I have is " Pittsburgh PA: Pittsburgh Coke and Chemical railroad car being filled up at the plant on Neville Island. Plasticizers are used for the production of flexible PVC products such as cables, pipes and hoses, leather cloth, shoes, film for packaging. Copyright:Brady Stewart Studio"

 

The link below might work to get you additional info...

 

 

 

Enjoy!

 

Claus Schlund

 


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Walthers HO Scale Gondola

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Nice job, Chuck!

 

Elden Gatwood

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chuck Cover
Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2021 8:21 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Walthers HO Scale Gondola

 

Group,

 

I kit bashed this gondola from a flat Walthers gondola kit that I bought for a dollar at the Lancaster PRRT&HS and a set of Shapeways Van Dorn ends.  Photo of prototype is also attached.

 

Chuck Cover

Santa Fe, NM


Re: Walthers HO Scale Gondola

Tony Thompson
 

Ben Hom wrote:

Tony Thompson wrote:
"Not sure whose tooling this was originally, maybe LifeLike, but it ain’t an SP gondola. It’s an 8-panel car, numbered for SP Class G-50-2, but those were 14-panel cars, with two of the panels wider than the others."

I found these kitbashes by Jason Hill interesting, especially since I have a bunch of these things:

Jason’s article is indeed interesting, and produced reasonable stand-ins for some of these cars. My own problem is that Classes G-50-3 and -6 were greatly reduced by 1940 and entirely gone soon after WW II, so that for transition-era modelers, these aren’t too useful (Jason addressed this by marking them as MOW cars). Class G-50-8 did survive well after the war, but was primarily used on T&NO, so of less interest. 

Tony Thompson


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