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VGN H21's

Justin Kahn
 

I can't say it's definitive (we all know that manufacturers, by and large, have to amortize their development and production costs), but Atlas has been offering a VGN lettering scheme for the joint Middle Division PRR H21, and Atlas CLAIMS they will do only authentic schemes.
Jace Kahn, General Manager
Ceres and Canisteo RR Co.


Frank Bongiovanni wrote:
"It's an open question as to whether or not [any leased PRR Class
H21A hoppers] were ever lettered for Virginian. Yes, Bowser did
them, but there's also been information that the lettering scheme was
(nicely done but) conjectural."

On page 45-46 of Teichmoeller's Pennsylvania Railroad Steel Open
Hopper Cars, John states that"...in 1998 Bowser issued a Virginian
leased car based purely on a conjectural lettering diagram I did as a
Saturday night entertainment which apparently bent some of the
prototype police's rods." I'd say that's conclusive information that
the Bowser VGN cars are conjectural.

"It's also been said that because they were on Virginian property
entirely during the war, that photos are going to be tough to find if
they exist at all."

I'd keep my eyes open. After all, we didn't have photographic proof
of the cars leased to the N&W when John's articles first appeared in
Model RailroaDING, but since then, several have surfaced in various
collections including one car (not the primary subject of the photo)
after return to the PRR.

Do you know of any company source material (memoranda, car records,
etc.) detailing the lease? They'll give a more complete picture than
just the ORER listings at least.


Ben Hom
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HO Scale P&WV, Montour, and Union Decals

benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
 

Jack Consoli will be doing another run of his HO scale custom freight
car decals for Pittsburgh & West Virginia, Montour, and Union
Railroad. See the PDF file titled "Pittsburgh - Mon Valley Decals
(Jack Consoli)" in the group files section for a description of these
sets.

These will be available retail from Scott Schaller. Please contact
him at tracksidephotos 'at' yahoo 'dot' com for pricing and
availability.


Ben Hom


New file uploaded to STMFC

STMFC@...
 

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Description : Pittsburgh - Mon Valley shortline decals by Jack Consoli available from Scott Schaller (tracksidephotos@...)

You can access this file at the URL:
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New file uploaded to STMFC

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Re: Well Packed Lump Coal

Richard Brennan <brennan8@...>
 

Photo 003499 on the same site shows C&O 56516 again plus two other cars,
staged at the Price Hill Colliery loader, seemingly to showcase the product line:
"Lump", "Egg", and "Stove" coal.

Richard Brennan - San Leandro, CA

At 09:14 7/3/2007, Frederick Freitas wrote:
Steve,

Most deffinitely a photo op for the RR. That may be the only neat as a pin photo of a hopper ever produced.

Fred Freitas

Steve <winslow7076@...> wrote:
Group;

Found this picture at the West Virginia Historical Photographs
Collection. A C&O twin hopper loaded with lump coal, laid in so
cleanly it almost looks like paving stones. Is this typical loading
for this size of coal, or is it so well placed for the sake of the
photographer?

<http://images.lib.wvu.edu/cgi/i/image/getimage-idx?viewid=003502.JPG;cc=wvcp;entryid=x-003502;view=image>

Steve M Stull
Winslow 7076


Re: Well Packed Lump Coal

Frederick Freitas <prrinvt@...>
 

Steve,

Most deffinitely a photo op for the RR. That may be the only neat as a pin photo of a hopper ever produced.

Fred Freitas

Steve <winslow7076@...> wrote:
Group;

Found this picture at the West Virginia Historical Photographs
Collection. A C&O twin hopper loaded with lump coal, laid in so
cleanly it almost looks like paving stones. Is this typical loading
for this size of coal, or is it so well placed for the sake of the
photographer?

http://images.lib.wvu.edu/cgi/i/image/getimage-idx?viewid=003502.JPG;
cc=wvcp;entryid=x-003502;view=image

Steve M Stull
Winslow 7076


Re: New book: Stock Cars

ed_mines
 

--- In STMFC@..., "Steve Sandifer" <steve.sandifer@...>
wrote: I just stumbled across and purchased a new book by Robert
Hundman, Stock Car Cyclopedia Vol. 1.

Can anyone tell how much of this is reprinted from MM?

Ed


Re: Stockcar book

rfederle@...
 

On the Hundman Publishing site at left is a contents bar. Click on Contact. Has all sorts of contact info. Here is a link

http://www.hundman.com/html/contact.html

Hope it helps

Robert Federle
---- bill_d_goat <billdgoat@...> wrote:

Can anybody provide me with a telephone number or e-mail address for
Hundman publishing. Their WEB SITe has neither.
Thanks
Bill Williams


Re: Request for info/Virginian hoppers

vgnry <vgnry212@...>
 

--- In STMFC@..., "benjaminfrank_hom" <b.hom@...> wrote:

Frank Bongiovanni wrote:
"It's an open question as to whether or not [any leased PRR Class
H21A hoppers] were ever lettered for Virginian. Yes, Bowser did
them, but there's also been information that the lettering scheme w
<snip>

Do you know of any company source material (memoranda, car records,
etc.) detailing the lease? They'll give a more complete picture than
just the ORER listings at least.
Frank, Ben,

The only reference I have seen is contained in the VGN's 1944 Annual
Report: "To take care of immediate needs, 1,000 coal cars were rented
from the Pennsylvania Railroad during 1943. The return of these cars
at the request of the owners (sic) was accomplished during 1944."

In its Annual Reports each year the VGN would comment on changes in
its equipment. Thus there are references to significant coal car
building and rebuilding programs during the war years, but the above
is the only reference to the PRR lease...or to any lease.

Those reports also include tables showing the number of cars in each
class at the end of the year. In the 1941 Annual Report the table
shows 428 50- and 55-ton coal cars leased from "SBPX" in 1940 and
purchased in 1941. However, the same tables for 1943 and 1944 have no
references to the cars leased from the PRR. Why would one lease be
mentioned and another omitted? Perhaps the lease from PRR was of very
short duration. Perhaps the SBPX cars were listed because they were
purchased in 1941. In other words, maybe leased equipment was never
listed, only mentioned in the comments section.

While I ave been told by someone in whom I have great faith that he
has seen a photo of a PRR H21 in VGN lettering, I have been unable to
find such a photo. And if the lease were so short-lived that the
addition didn't make the equipemnt table, then I wonder if they were
ever relettered VGN.

Just another of those mysteries that have great interest to a very few
people! <g>

Bill McClure
Richmond


Well Packed Lump Coal

Steve Stull
 

Group;

Found this picture at the West Virginia Historical Photographs
Collection. A C&O twin hopper loaded with lump coal, laid in so
cleanly it almost looks like paving stones. Is this typical loading
for this size of coal, or is it so well placed for the sake of the
photographer?

http://images.lib.wvu.edu/cgi/i/image/getimage-idx?viewid=003502.JPG;
cc=wvcp;entryid=x-003502;view=image

Steve M Stull
Winslow 7076


Stockcar book

bill_d_goat
 

Can anybody provide me with a telephone number or e-mail address for
Hundman publishing. Their WEB SITe has neither.
Thanks
Bill Williams


Re: Request for info/Virginian hoppers

benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
 

Frank Bongiovanni wrote:
"It's an open question as to whether or not [any leased PRR Class
H21A hoppers] were ever lettered for Virginian. Yes, Bowser did
them, but there's also been information that the lettering scheme was
(nicely done but) conjectural."

On page 45-46 of Teichmoeller's Pennsylvania Railroad Steel Open
Hopper Cars, John states that"...in 1998 Bowser issued a Virginian
leased car based purely on a conjectural lettering diagram I did as a
Saturday night entertainment which apparently bent some of the
prototype police's rods." I'd say that's conclusive information that
the Bowser VGN cars are conjectural.

"It's also been said that because they were on Virginian property
entirely during the war, that photos are going to be tough to find if
they exist at all."

I'd keep my eyes open. After all, we didn't have photographic proof
of the cars leased to the N&W when John's articles first appeared in
Model RailroaDING, but since then, several have surfaced in various
collections including one car (not the primary subject of the photo)
after return to the PRR.

Do you know of any company source material (memoranda, car records,
etc.) detailing the lease? They'll give a more complete picture than
just the ORER listings at least.


Ben Hom


Request for info/Virginian hoppers

bongiovanni12001
 

Does anyone know anything about Pennsy H21 hoppers that might have
been leased by the VGN at some point? We have heard a photo exists, but
we have not seen one. This has been kicked around, and what we think
we know is that during WWII Virginian leased a goodly number of these
cars from the PRR, that were apparently returned before the end of the
war. It's an open question as to whether or not they were ever
lettered for Virginian. Yes, Bowser did them, but there's also been
information that the lettering scheme was (nicely done but)
conjectural. It's also been said that because they were on Virginian
properly entirely during the war, that photos are going to be tough to
find if they exist at all.

This is a long setup for the request for a)good information, b)any
pictures that might be out there. Thanks for any assistance.

Frank Bongiovanni (and a number of Virginian "enthusiasts")


Re: sewer pipes

Philip Dove <philip.dove@...>
 

----- Original Message -----
From: Anthony Thompson
To: STMFC@...
Sent: 29 June 2007 18:57
Subject: Re: [STMFC] sewer pipes


The cast Iron or or steel sewer pipe I saw in the early sixties had plaited straw collars to protect them during transport. Cast Iron is brittle and I don't doubt it could be quite easily chipped and smashed if they swung against each other or against something hard when being lifted by crane off a flatcar or Gon. Even plastic pipe comes with shaped wooden packing strips to stop it rolling around.
Philip Dove


Re: New book: Stock Cars

benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
 

Chuck Hladik wrote:
"You'll probably hear from Ben, NO DASHES in Pennsy classes."

Nah - I know full well Marty's just jerking my chain, something some
other folks on this list don't seem to be able to recognize.


Ben Hom


Re: brass car

Westerfield <westerfield@...>
 

Strangely, I just won a brass car on eBay this afternoon. - Al Westerfield


Re: brass car

Bruce Smith
 

On Jul 2, 2007, at 11:57 AM, eabracher@... wrote:

Currently on E Bay there is a Westerfield model (a brass model) for sale.
Looks to me someone put a brass model in a Westerfield box or did Westerfield
really import one?
E Bay # 300125398300
Eric,

Its not a Westerfield. You'll note that further down the auction page, two other folks have pointed out that the model is a GEM, SH-104 St. Paul & Pacific Baggage Car.

Regards
Bruce

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Auburn, AL
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Re: brass car

benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
 

Eric (?) wrote:
"Currently on E Bay there is a Westerfield model (a brass model) for
sale. Looks to me someone put a brass model in a Westerfield box or
did Westerfield really import one?
E Bay # 300125398300"

The former. As posted on the page from follow-up questions to the
seller, it's a Gem piece. Remember, Al's tagline is "The Alternative
to Brass."


Ben Hom


Mainline Modeler...Was: Re: Re: New book: Stock Cars

Mike Brock <brockm@...>
 

Armand Premo writes about MM:

"The series on heavyweight passenger cars and all the good
material by John Nehrich and the RPI group.I am a happy owner of every
issue."

And, of course, there are the two collector's issues...Jan 2002 and Feb 2003. Each, of course, has articles about freight cars...I think.

Mike Brock


Re: New book: Stock Cars

armprem
 

Now Marty,if that is all you got out of MM you must have missed more than a few issues.The series on heavyweight passenger cars and all the good material by John Nehrich and the RPI group.I am a happy owner of every issue.Now if I could only convince my wife .Armand Premo

----- Original Message -----
From: <mjmcguirk@...>
To: <STMFC@...>
Cc: "captmix" <tamix@...>
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 10:17 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: New book: Stock Cars


Wished I'd known people actually paid for old issues of Mainline Modeler.

A few months ago I went through the boxes of these thing that I've moved from one corner of the country to the other and realized that although I'd fallen into the "this is one of the best resorces out there" trap myself I have, with few exceptions, never used any of the information in Mainline to build a model of anything. I kept a few articles which seemed of use (the rivet making article as well as Ben's X-29 piece, and the Lakers series of all things . . . ) and dumped the rest in the recycling bin.

Marty



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