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George Elwood's son

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Many of us make use of George Elwood's Fallen Flags site. The following announcement is copied from
his main page.

COMMENT
My 26 year old son died Friday 8 Jun in the ICU of a Chicago hospital
after a long battle from the effects of cancer treatment he received 9
years ago. I was present at his death as was his brother and an uncle.
It was peaceful and I have to believe that he was greeted by his
grandparents.
He will be buried in Dayton OH on Wednesday. Viewing Tuesday night at
Tobias in Beavercreek OH.
Because of this, I will not be posting material daily. Your prayers
were/are appreciated!


I think those of us who rely on this resource should respond appropriately.



SGL
La vita e breve, mangiate prima il dolce!


Re: U. S. Gypsum Roofwalks

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Very nice job answering that, Dennis, you beat me to it. But I'd observe that Plasterboard and
Gypsum Board are not the same animal. Plasterboard's main component is too obvious to repeat.
Gypsum is an ingredient in some plasters but not all, and can be used in a non-plaster form, which
is what gypsum drywall is. Plasterboard CAN be a finish material, but is often the base for either
a skim coat, or a whole 'nother layer of wet plaster. My house, gut renovated in 1945, is
completely finished with this, a 3/8" layer of plasterboard, overlaid with a 3/8" layer of plaster.
Nice job, few cracks, and you have to >>really<< want to make holes in it. When I've needed to do
so, it takes three or four energetic whacks with a hammer, if I'm not partic'ler about the neatness
of the opening. And it dulls drills toot sweet!! Gypboard is whole lot easier to work.

SGL
La vita e breve, mangiate prima il dolce!

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On
Behalf Of Dennis Storzek
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 4:31 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: U. S. Gypsum Roofwalks

--- In STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>
, "Bob Chaparro" <thecitrusbelt@...> wrote:

U. S. Gypsum Company was a supplier of expanded metal
roofwalks to the
railroad industry. Can anyone tell me how the company got into that
line of business? Metal roodwalks seem so foreign to what
the company
typically produced.

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro
Mission Viejo/Hemet, CA
I've been waiting weeks for someone to ask that question :-) Remember
our discussion about hauling plaster board several weeks ago, and how
we learned that plaster board is not only drywall, but also a product
called "rock lath" which was a replacement for the traditional wood
lath? There was a third class of product for fireproof applications
where the architect or building department wouldn't allow the use of
rock lath. "wire lath".

Wire lath is expanded metal. A sheet of steel was run through a
special roller that incised slits, maybe an inch long, in an
alternating pattern all across the sheet. The sheet was then
mechanically grasped by the edges parallel to the slits, and pulled,
which stretched the slits into a pattern of diamond shaped openings,
appx. 1/4" wide and maybe 5/8" long. This material was then nailed to
the studs, or more often wired to steel support bars. When the first
coat of plaster was troweled on, it pushed through the openings and
keyed itself in place, just like with wood lath.

USG seemed to like to popularize it's products by offering a complete
line, so acquired the machinery to produce wire lath, and formed
corner moldings with wire lath like flanges to lock them into the
basecoat plaster, in house. From this point I'm sure they went looking
for other markets for the product, and walkway gratings was a natural
extension. When the sheet is stretched, the edges of the diamonds turn
outward. making for very sure footing. Railroad car running boards are
nothing more than specialized walkway gratings, and I'm sure at the
time the large stable market was inviting.

Dennis (who has wrestled with more wire lath than he cares to
remember) Storzek





Re: Portland, OR area hobby shops

Schuyler Larrabee
 

None of you mentioned a shop I found in the phone book when I was in Portland in April: Stever
Locomotives, 2537 NW 29th. I found most of the others that have been mentioned, but I did not find
the time to get to any of them . . . .8^((

What can be told about Stever Locomotives??

SGL
La vita e breve, mangiate prima il dolce!

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On
Behalf Of richtownsend@...
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 1:54 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Portland, OR area hobby shops

Whistle Stop, on Division (just east of I-205), is pretty
good. Their Steam Era Freight Car kit selection is fairly
small, but they do have the usual selection of RTR and simpler kits.

Tammies, in Beaverton (east of Portland out OR 26), is sort
of like Grand-dad's (which I imagine is your LHS) on
steroids. They have trains, RC, military, etc., but their
STFC selection can be better than Whistle Stop. As can their
prices, in my experience.

A little farther out is Mainline Trains, in Forest Grove.
It's a small shop but usually has an interesting selection of
kits, RTR, and used items. IMHO it is worth the drive out there.

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, Oregon

-----Original Message-----
From: lnbill <bwelch@... <mailto:bwelch%40uucf.org> >
To: STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 8:09 am
Subject: [STMFC] Portland, OR area hobby shops

I will be in Portland, OR the week of June 18. Are there any
"not to be
missed" hobby shops in that area?

I know about about the Used Technical Bookstore.

Bill Welch

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Re: Portland, OR area hobby shops

estcbq@...
 

vic's is now close to the Lloyd center shopping mall on Broadway the east side of the river and as far as i know the "O"  club is in the basement of the store--haven't been there is a while--jim young

-----Original Message-----
From: Charles Morrill <badlands@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 11:12 am
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Portland, OR area hobby shops






Is Vic's hobby shop still in business in Portland? They had a good sized O
gauge club layout in the back when I was there a few years ago.
Charlie

----- Original Message -----

Whistle Stop, on Division (just east of I-205), is pretty good. Their Steam
Era Freight Car kit selection is fairly small, but they do have the usual
selection of RTR and simpler kits.

Tammies, in Beaverton (east of Portland out OR 26), is sort of like
Grand-dad's (which I imagine is your LHS) on steroids. They have trains, RC,
military, etc., but their STFC selection can be better than Whistle Stop. As
can their prices, in my experience.

A little farther out is Mainline Trains, in Forest Grove. It's a small shop
but usually has an interesting selection of kits, RTR, and used items. IMHO
it is worth the drive out there.

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, Oregon





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Re: Helium Car Kits and Decals

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Peter J. McClosky wrote:
There was also a siding for helium cars in the Simi Valley (just north of the Rocketydne plant mentioned below).
If I recall correctly, it held two or three cars.
Correct location, on the Simi Valley side of the hills which had Canoga Park on the other side; the engine test stands were (and I believe are) on top of the hills.
Incorrect siding size. There were two sidings, each holding at least four cars, as I have photos of that many there--and can't see whether the sidings were even full. Piping for unloading the cars was EXTREMELY sparse. Couple of pipes just came up out of the ground.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Helium Car Kits and Decals

Steve SANDIFER
 

See also a page at
http://www.atsfrr.net/Reviews/HO/Freight/Helium/Index.htm

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Church: http://www.swcentral.org

----- Original Message -----
From: benjaminfrank_hom
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 12:25 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Fwd: Helium Car Kits and Decals


Robert Federle wrote:
"I believe the 30 tube car had been produced years ago by Bachmann
(I think)."

No. The styrene model was produced by AHM/Roco:
http://tycotrain.tripod.com/ahmhoscaletrainscollectorsresource/id3.html

Ben Hom


Re: Helium Car Kits and Decals

rfederle@...
 

That explains Crude's foul odor.

Robert Federle
---- Westerfield <westerfield@...> wrote:

Years ago when I joined an operating group in Illinois I was presented with a Roco helium car that all the members used. It was lettered for Dino Gas (DDGX). One of the members operated a dino dung mine and bottling plant on his layout. It was said that Dino Gas was much more efficient than propane and you didn't have to add a smell to it..... - Al Westerfield




Re: U. S. Gypsum Roofwalks

Dennis Storzek <destorzek@...>
 

--- In STMFC@..., "Bob Chaparro" <thecitrusbelt@...> wrote:

U. S. Gypsum Company was a supplier of expanded metal roofwalks to the
railroad industry. Can anyone tell me how the company got into that
line of business? Metal roodwalks seem so foreign to what the company
typically produced.

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro
Mission Viejo/Hemet, CA
I've been waiting weeks for someone to ask that question :-) Remember
our discussion about hauling plaster board several weeks ago, and how
we learned that plaster board is not only drywall, but also a product
called "rock lath" which was a replacement for the traditional wood
lath? There was a third class of product for fireproof applications
where the architect or building department wouldn't allow the use of
rock lath… "wire lath".

Wire lath is expanded metal. A sheet of steel was run through a
special roller that incised slits, maybe an inch long, in an
alternating pattern all across the sheet. The sheet was then
mechanically grasped by the edges parallel to the slits, and pulled,
which stretched the slits into a pattern of diamond shaped openings,
appx. 1/4" wide and maybe 5/8" long. This material was then nailed to
the studs, or more often wired to steel support bars. When the first
coat of plaster was troweled on, it pushed through the openings and
keyed itself in place, just like with wood lath.

USG seemed to like to popularize it's products by offering a complete
line, so acquired the machinery to produce wire lath, and formed
corner moldings with wire lath like flanges to lock them into the
basecoat plaster, in house. From this point I'm sure they went looking
for other markets for the product, and walkway gratings was a natural
extension. When the sheet is stretched, the edges of the diamonds turn
outward. making for very sure footing. Railroad car running boards are
nothing more than specialized walkway gratings, and I'm sure at the
time the large stable market was inviting.

Dennis (who has wrestled with more wire lath than he cares to
remember) Storzek


Re: Portland, OR area hobby shops

Paul Lyons
 

What happened to Vic's, which was downtown?



Paul Lyons

Laguna NIguel, CA

-----Original Message-----
From: richtownsend@...
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 10:54 am
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Portland, OR area hobby shops







Whistle Stop, on Division (just east of I-205), is pretty good. Their Steam Era Freight Car kit selection is fairly small, but they do have the usual selection of RTR and simpler kits.

Tammies, in Beaverton (east of Portland out OR 26), is sort of like Grand-dad's (which I imagine is your LHS) on steroids.  They have trains, RC, military, etc., but their STFC selection can be better than Whistle Stop.  As can their prices, in my experience. 

A little farther out is Mainline Trains, in Forest Grove.  It's a small shop but usually has an interesting selection of kits, RTR, and used items.  IMHO it is worth the drive out there.

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, Oregon

-----Original Message-----
From: lnbill <bwelch@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 8:09 am
Subject: [STMFC] Portland, OR area hobby shops

I will be in Portland, OR the week of June 18. Are there any "not to be
missed" hobby shops in that area?

I know about about the Used Technical Bookstore.

Bill Welch

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Re: Helium Car Kits and Decals

Peter J. McClosky <pmcclosky@...>
 

There was also a siding for helium cars in the Simi Valley (just north
of the Rocketydne plant mentioned below).

If I recall correctly, it held two or three cars.

Peter
======

Anthony Thompson wrote:


Yes, I see that in my crystal ball also, and the ball's cloudy
image suggests that there would be several at a time in the sidings at
Rocketydne's facility (rocket engine test stands) outside Canoga Park,
California.

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Re: Helium Car Kits and Decals

Westerfield <westerfield@...>
 

Years ago when I joined an operating group in Illinois I was presented with a Roco helium car that all the members used. It was lettered for Dino Gas (DDGX). One of the members operated a dino dung mine and bottling plant on his layout. It was said that Dino Gas was much more efficient than propane and you didn't have to add a smell to it..... - Al Westerfield


Re: U. S. Gypsum Roofwalks

Tim O'Connor
 

I guess they entered the business as a by-product of their construction
metals business. There is no specific information on the web site about
railroad industry products.

At 6/11/2007 02:16 PM Monday, you wrote:
U. S. Gypsum Company was a supplier of expanded metal roofwalks to the
railroad industry. Can anyone tell me how the company got into that
line of business? Metal roodwalks seem so foreign to what the company
typically produced.

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro
Mission Viejo/Hemet, CA


Re: U. S. Gypsum Roofwalks

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Bob Chaparro wrote:
U. S. Gypsum Company was a supplier of expanded metal roofwalks to the railroad industry. Can anyone tell me how the company got into that line of business? Metal roodwalks seem so foreign to what the company typically produced.
I don't know the answer to your question, Bob, though of course MANY companies over the years have bought up promising outfits in other fields "to make money." And remember that the original USG running board (preferred term to "roofwalk") of expanded metal was later supplanted with a more conventional grid type, like the familiar Apex board.

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Re: Portland, OR area hobby shops

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Jun 11, 2007, at 10:54 AM, richtownsend@... wrote:

Tammies, in Beaverton (east of Portland out OR 26)....
Uh, Rich, the last time I flew over the Portland area Beaverton was
WEST of Portland. Have they moved it? If so, we should notify the FAA
so they can change its location on the sectional.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: Helium Car Kits and Decals

Garth G. Groff <ggg9y@...>
 

Bruce,

The Navy ended their airship program around 1962, IICR. However, the armed forces were already using lots of helium to launch weather balloons, and this probably still happens. When I was a lad I used to occasionally see helium cars on the lead into Mather AFB near Sacramento.

As military use declined, the helium cars were used for civilian purposes. Into the 1970s there was one parked on a disconnected track in Berkeley, California, at some local industrial plant around University and 6th. I have no idea why it was there.

Kind regards,


Garth G. Groff

Bruce Smith wrote:

On Mon, June 11, 2007 12:45 pm, rfederle@... wrote:

I may have missed that post but when "helium service ended" is mentioned,
what service was that referenced too, if anyone recalls?
Robert,

The original service for these cars was for the Navy, but not for dive
gasses - they were designed to provide helium for the Navy's
lighter-than-air ships. During WWII the fleet blossomed due to the number
of blimps used for costal patrol. This use declined over the rest of the
steam era. From calculations I posted here several years ago, it would
appear that 2 cars would fill one large Navy blimp, and I would note that
the cars were usually seen in pairs.

In the future (post 1960), I would speculate that these cars will be used
to haul Helium from the production sites (out west, IIRC) to NASA for use
where an inert atmosphere will be needed.

Regards
Bruce


U. S. Gypsum Roofwalks

Bob Chaparro <thecitrusbelt@...>
 

U. S. Gypsum Company was a supplier of expanded metal roofwalks to the
railroad industry. Can anyone tell me how the company got into that
line of business? Metal roodwalks seem so foreign to what the company
typically produced.

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro
Mission Viejo/Hemet, CA


Re: Portland, OR area hobby shops

Charles Morrill
 

Is Vic's hobby shop still in business in Portland? They had a good sized O gauge club layout in the back when I was there a few years ago.
Charlie

----- Original Message -----

Whistle Stop, on Division (just east of I-205), is pretty good. Their Steam Era Freight Car kit selection is fairly small, but they do have the usual selection of RTR and simpler kits.

Tammies, in Beaverton (east of Portland out OR 26), is sort of like Grand-dad's (which I imagine is your LHS) on steroids. They have trains, RC, military, etc., but their STFC selection can be better than Whistle Stop. As can their prices, in my experience.

A little farther out is Mainline Trains, in Forest Grove. It's a small shop but usually has an interesting selection of kits, RTR, and used items. IMHO it is worth the drive out there.


Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, Oregon


Re: Helium Car Kits and Decals

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Bruce Smith wrote:
In the future (post 1960), I would speculate that these cars will be used to haul Helium from the production sites (out west, IIRC) to NASA for use where an inert atmosphere will be needed.
Yes, I see that in my crystal ball also, and the ball's cloudy image suggests that there would be several at a time in the sidings at Rocketydne's facility (rocket engine test stands) outside Canoga Park, California.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Helium Car Kits and Decals

Tim O'Connor
 

I had no idea that UP and SP had helium cars! Now I'm really
excited!

Tim "not just hot air" O'Connor

Robert Federle wrote:
"I believe the 30 tube car had been produced years ago by Bachmann
(I think)."

No. The styrene model was produced by AHM/Roco:
http://tycotrain.tripod.com/ahmhoscaletrainscollectorsresource/id3.html

Ben Hom


Re: Helium Car Kits and Decals

Bruce Smith
 

On Mon, June 11, 2007 12:45 pm, rfederle@... wrote:
I may have missed that post but when "helium service ended" is mentioned,
what service was that referenced too, if anyone recalls?
Robert,

The original service for these cars was for the Navy, but not for dive
gasses - they were designed to provide helium for the Navy's
lighter-than-air ships. During WWII the fleet blossomed due to the number
of blimps used for costal patrol. This use declined over the rest of the
steam era. From calculations I posted here several years ago, it would
appear that 2 cars would fill one large Navy blimp, and I would note that
the cars were usually seen in pairs.

In the future (post 1960), I would speculate that these cars will be used
to haul Helium from the production sites (out west, IIRC) to NASA for use
where an inert atmosphere will be needed.

Regards
Bruce

Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL

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