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Re: Athearn Pulpwod Car

Park Varieties <parkvarieties@...>
 

Athearn produced a metal pulpwood car during the mid 1950's. Produced in one road name only - Kansas City Southern in only one documented car number - 24010. All- metal car with die cast bulkhead ends. Originals had sprung metal trucks and dummy knuckle couplers. Catalog number was A-607.
Frank Brua

----- Original Message -----
From: Francis Pehowic
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 8:47 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Athearn Pulpwod Car


I am not sure if this is the proper list but because the car is metal I would think it is an older car. I have a chance to buy an Athearn metal 53' pulpwood car ($15). I have never heard of this car. The only pulpwood car I know they made is a 40' plastic model.

Can anyone be of help? The man is reputable but cannot scan a photo and time is a factor.

Thanks!
Francis A. Pehowic, Jr.



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Re: Athearn Metal 50 ft Pulpwood Car

benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
 

Francis Pehowic wrote:
"I am not sure if this is the proper list but because the car is
metal I would think it is an older car. I have a chance to buy an
Athearn metal 53' pulpwood car ($15). I have never heard of this
car. The only pulpwood car I know they made is a 40' plastic model."

Athearn did indeed issue a 50 ft pulpwood car in its metal line of
freight car kits. This car was not retooled in plastic, and was never
reissued by Menzies, Park Varieties, DJ Baker, or Bowser. The example
documented in Greensburg's Guide to Athearn Trains is stock number A-
607, lettered as KCS 24010.

KCS did have 50 ft pulpwood cars built by AC&F in 1938 in the 24000
series; unfortunately, I don't have a photo handy to compare with the
Athearn car.


Ben Ho


Re: Freight Conductor's Train Book

Tim Gilbert <tgilbert@...>
 

finkfam98055 wrote:

I acquired a U. P. Conductor's Train Book from Eastern Oregon with
entries near the 1948 era I'm modeling. Does anyone know what the
three-number sequence in the Remarks space represents? I suspect it
has something to do with train tonnage. Examples are 30-20-2688 or 55-
30-4818. One train has 48-0-2635 = 47-0-2599.
Larry,

Loads/Empties/Gross Tonnage.

In what months of 1948 did your freight conductor record? Was the conductor's name JR Nelson? Between what stations on the UP was the report for?

Having parsed Summer/Fall 1941-1942 UP Wheels Reports between Green River WY and Montpelier ID, Fall 1947 and 1949 Wheel Reports between Laramie & Rawlins, and a Spring 1956 one between Grand Island & Council Bluffs, I have a lot of experience of how to organize an Excel spreadsheet for analysis of a UP Wheel Report. The result of a comparison of the Laramie-Rawlins Fall 1947 & Spring 1949 Reports is STMFC posting #51085 of February 3rd, 2006.

Tim Gilbert


Re: Athearn Pulpwod Car

Will Seehorn <wseehorn@...>
 

At 08:47 PM 4/28/2007, you wrote:

I am not sure if this is the proper list but because the car is metal I would think it is an older car. I have a chance to buy an Athearn metal 53' pulpwood car ($15). I have never heard of this car. The only pulpwood car I know they made is a 40' plastic model.

Can anyone be of help? The man is reputable but cannot scan a photo and time is a factor.

Thanks!
Francis A. Pehowic, Jr.


If I recall correctly Athearn started out making metal cars -- in the 50s, not sure if they did a pulpwood car.

Will


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Athearn Pulpwod Car

Francis Pehowic <fapjr53@...>
 

I am not sure if this is the proper list but because the car is metal I would think it is an older car. I have a chance to buy an Athearn metal 53' pulpwood car ($15). I have never heard of this car. The only pulpwood car I know they made is a 40' plastic model.

Can anyone be of help? The man is reputable but cannot scan a photo and time is a factor.

Thanks!
Francis A. Pehowic, Jr.




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Re: Freight Conductor's Train Book

Bill Vaughn
 

Larry when I hired out for the Santa Fe late 1970 it was loads-emties-tonnage, forth figure would be length. But in 1948 with mostly 40 footers it was not hard to figure out length.

Bill Vaughn

finkfam98055 <finkfam2@...> wrote:
I acquired a U. P. Conductor's Train Book from Eastern Oregon with
entries near the 1948 era I'm modeling. Does anyone know what the
three-number sequence in the Remarks space represents? I suspect it
has something to do with train tonnage. Examples are 30-20-2688 or 55-
30-4818. One train has 48-0-2635 = 47-0-2599.

Thanks,
Larry Fink
Renton, Washington






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Re: Freight Conductor's Train Book

Russ Strodtz <sheridan@...>
 

Almost certainly Loads-Empties-Tons. The last train set
out 1 car. CB&Q usage would have usually also included
stock, as in 20-55-4-3850. No hard and fast rule, just
common usage. Now it has changed to: 75-25-11500-8005.
Length is usually more important than tonnage. It
determines where you can fit. With current locomotives
tonnage is not that big of an issue.

Russ Strodtz

----- Original Message -----
From: finkfam98055
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Saturday, 28 April, 2007 15:35
Subject: [STMFC] Freight Conductor's Train Book


I acquired a U. P. Conductor's Train Book from Eastern Oregon
with
entries near the 1948 era I'm modeling. Does anyone know what
the
three-number sequence in the Remarks space represents? I
suspect it
has something to do with train tonnage. Examples are 30-20-2688
or 55-
30-4818. One train has 48-0-2635 = 47-0-2599.

Thanks,
Larry Fink
Renton, Washington


Re: Freight Conductor's Train Book

Mike Brock <brockm@...>
 

Larry Fink writes:

"I acquired a U. P. Conductor's Train Book from Eastern Oregon with
entries near the 1948 era I'm modeling. Does anyone know what the
three-number sequence in the Remarks space represents? I suspect it
has something to do with train tonnage. Examples are 30-20-2688 or 55-
30-4818."

My UP frt conductor's book shows "51 lds 30 mty 3980" which matches the loads & empties in the train. 3980 would be tonnage. In some cases, only the numbers are listed as in 70-28-4720. The conductor used X to indicate an empty followed by a letter to indicate the car type...such as "XR" for an empty reefer.

Mike Brock


Freight Conductor's Train Book

Larry Fink
 

I acquired a U. P. Conductor's Train Book from Eastern Oregon with
entries near the 1948 era I'm modeling. Does anyone know what the
three-number sequence in the Remarks space represents? I suspect it
has something to do with train tonnage. Examples are 30-20-2688 or 55-
30-4818. One train has 48-0-2635 = 47-0-2599.

Thanks,
Larry Fink
Renton, Washington


The Keystone Modeler - May 2007

benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
 

The May 2007 issue of The Keystone Modeler is online at
http://www.prrths.com/Keystone%20Modeler/Keystone_Modeler.htm

Articles of interest include:
- Modeling the PRR's Flat Car Fleet – Part 14 The F36 by Elden Gatwood

- Modeling the PRR's Hopper Fleet – Part 1 The H25 by Bruce Smith

- Late Breaking News From Westerfield - The Class GG Hopper Bottom
Gondola by Al Westerfield


Ben Hom


Re: ADMIN: Message rules

original_coaster <ladanas@...>
 

--- In STMFC@..., "Mike Brock" <brockm@...> wrote:

I think it's time to again remind the members about STMFC rules
regarding
messages.

1. All messages must be signed with full names. If your full name
is to the
left of the "@" in your address as it appears in the message, that
is
acceptable.

2. Do not include the entire message of a message you refer to.
Include only
those parts you refer to.

3. Make sure the subject heading is associated with your message.

This is a friendly reminder. Regretfully, mistakes happen and
always will
happen. However, part of the job of head judge is to try
to "enlighten" the
members regarding sloppiness in our message processing. Another
duty of the
head judge is that of keeping the key to Moderate Jail...and,
ugh...providing meal service for those in the jail. Best to stay
away from
there. I mean...you don't even want to visit.

Thanks.

Mike Brock
STMFC Owner
My bad, Mike . . .
In some groups to which I belong, my full name does show up; not
here, I now notice. Apologies.

Paul Dana
Los Angeles


Re: GTW Postwar Boxcar (516XXX)

Andy Cich <ajc5150@...>
 

-----Original Message-----
Hope this provides what you need.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins



Ed,

That was exactly the info I was looking for.

Many thanks,

Andy Cich


Re: speaking of decals

jim_mischke <jmischke@...>
 

There are some caveats to the B&OHS lettering on their web site.
The first drawings they uploaded are for 1.5 inch letters and
numbers (the troublesome ampersand not included)

These characters and numerals do not scale to other lettering
sizes!!!! Each size has unique features.

Full alphabets were not issued for most of the rolling stock
lettering sizes (the seven, nine, twenty three-inch, etc.) because
their only their only use was limited to "Baltimore and Ohio"
or "B&O"

Font details were chosen for their ease of stenciling on all
intended uses, all intended car classes.





--- In STMFC@..., "mcindoefalls" <mcindoefalls@...>
wrote:

--- In STMFC@..., "benjaminfrank_hom" <b.hom@> wrote:

Here's a recent example:
http://fandckits.com/Images/7051Large.html
Note that the ampersands are particularly cartoonish.
In regard to B&O decals (as applied to the kit mentioned here), the
B&O Historical Society has made available proper B&O lettering
fonts
that have been developed from B&O drawings:

http://borhs.org/Logos/bo_font_logo.html

Some B&O cars with the billboard "B&O" lettering occasionally did
look
a little rough or ill-proportioned due to the (I would assume) hand
cut stencils used to letter them.

Walt Lankenau


Re: Data Lettering (Lack Of) On Chateau Martin Wine Cars

Russ Strodtz <sheridan@...>
 

Bob,

OK, I have seen these cars when they were in service.
CMWX 141 is the right color. I would not be surprised
if Chateau Martin themselves did the paint job. I also
think that a car of this type could run around indefinitely
with no other lettering. In the case of this type of car
no one is even going to need it. It can only hold a finite
amount of liquid, the rest don't matter.

This may also have been a car that needed some siding
replaced and just did not get stenciled.

The Intermountain car is not of a plausible color.

Russ Strodtz

----- Original Message -----
From: Bob Chaparro
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Friday, 27 April, 2007 19:13
Subject: [STMFC] Data Lettering (Lack Of) On Chateau Martin Wine
Cars


I've noticed that the few available images of Chateau Martin
wine tank
cars (in the former milk tank car bodies) appear to have no data
lettering on the cars sides. Here is an example:

http://www.geocities.com/oldlahistory/cmwx141.jpg

The car offered by Intermountain (with the wrong body color)
does have
data lettering (http://www.imrcmodels.com/ho/html/48212.htm )
but if
the color is incorrect perhaps the appearance of data lettering
also is
incorrect.

Is there a good reason for this or are the cars represented in
the
images simply anomalies?

Bob Chaparro
Mission Viejo/Hemet, CA


Re: Sunshine kits on Ebay

Dave Nelson <muskoka@...>
 

Tim O'Connor wrote:
Dave

I was watching an auction this week -- an unmodified Atlas tank car
with a heavy (not realistic) weathering job. It went for $200.

Yeah, well I guess what passes for reason in some people is sheer stupidity
for most everyone else.

Ha! I gotta change that... sheer stupidity for most every... model
railroader. In my experience most non-modelers think were all pretty stupid
for paying current retail prices for our toys. 8-)

Dave Nelson


Re: GTW Postwar Boxcar (516XXX)

Ed Hawkins
 

On Apr 27, 2007, at 11:33 PM, Andy Cich wrote:

Having exhausted the resources I have, can anyone tell me how many
rungs my
ladders should have and which doors to use? The kit comes with
Youngstown
doors.
Andy,
There were two series of GTW cars in the 516000-series. First was
516000-516249, blt. 1-53, ACF lot no. 3755. Second was 516250-516599,
blt. 2-53, ACF lot no. 3876.

Both series of cars had 7' wide door openings and Youngstown doors,
diagonal panel roofs, 8-rung ladders, Universal hand brakes, Apex
running boards/brake steps, and Barber S-2 trucks. The two series
appear to be identical and the same AC&F general arrangement drawing
was used for both lot numbers.

I haven't been able to find any paint specs for these two lot numbers,
but a photo of car 516402 (available from Jay Williams) having a NEW
2-53 date and 1954 repack clearly shows an unpainted galvanized steel
roof. The photo shows that the seam caps were painted. From about 1952
to 1954 AC&F commonly specified roofs of box cars to be unpainted with
the exception of the seam caps that were first coated with black car
cement and then painted the same color as the sides.

Paint specs are available from lot 3394, GTW 515500-515999, built 9-49
(having welded sides). These cars were painted entirely Mineral Brown
with white stencils and green background for the "tilted box" emblem.
Hope this provides what you need.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


Re: Sunshine kits on Ebay

Barry Roth
 

And quitea job of selling in the listing writeup, too. Guess it worked!

Barry Roth

Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:
Dave

I was watching an auction this week -- an unmodified Atlas tank car
with a heavy (not realistic) weathering job. It went for $200.




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GTW Postwar Boxcar (516XXX)

Andy Cich <ajc5150@...>
 

I have a Branchline GTW boxcar numbered 516514 for which I am trying to get
the correct information for the details. This car has a built date of 2/53.

I have Parts 1 & 3 of the series of articles Ed Hawkins wrote for Railmodel
Journal. This article has a table that includes GTW series 51500-515499
built in 1948, but has no mention of the series I am interested in. The
table in the articles has incomplete data for the 515 series, but I found a
photo of 515668 in the 1953 CBC, and this car has 7 rung ladders and
Superior doors. Kaminski's ACF book has a photo of this same car.

I just realized Ed's articles covered the cars with the 4/4 Improved ends,
and my car has the later ends.

Having exhausted the resources I have, can anyone tell me how many rungs my
ladders should have and which doors to use? The kit comes with Youngstown
doors.

Thanks,

Andy Cich


Re: Sunshine kits on Ebay

Tim O'Connor
 

Dave

I was watching an auction this week -- an unmodified Atlas tank car
with a heavy (not realistic) weathering job. It went for $200.

At 4/27/2007 07:40 PM Friday, you wrote:
Storey Lindsay wrote:
Tim,

Look at
http://cgi.ebay.com/SUNSHINE-MODELS-REA-EXPRESS-GATC-REEFER-HO-RTR_W0QQitemZ
280107351603QQihZ018QQcategoryZ484QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
and it still has two days to go.

Storey Lindsay
Celje, Slovenia
Yes but that is a finished car not a kit. $129 for that is within reason
for many folks.

Dave Nelson


Re: new book

Rich Yoder
 

Al,
The book sounds interesting but where in the heck on the web
site is it? OR who is the publisher and what is the ISBN number?

Sincerely, Rich Yoder

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of
Westerfield
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 11:24 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] new book

I just received a copy of Shipping Planes on Trains, Volume 1. In 300
pages it covers only 1903-1918! To say the amount of research is
astounding is an understatement. See it at www.sharpspear.com. - Al
Westerfield






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