Russ Strodtz wrote:

Not wanting to sound overly sarcastic but I left the Chicago area in 1979. The fact that something
was available at Naperville last Fall does not help very much.

Gosh, Russ, I've NEVER lived in that area. But I do visit every October nowadays, so in fact I do find it helpful to discuss what's available at Martin's meeting.
I bet you'd enjoy a visit to the Naperville meeting some time.

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Bill,

Not wanting to sound overly sarcastic but I left
the Chicago area in 1979. The fact that something
was available at Naperville last Fall does not help
very much.

Russ Strodtz

Tim O'Connor wrote:

But seriously, I have pointed out before that us SP modelers are really in hog heaven these days -- we can model about 95% of the new SP box cars built from 1920 to 1950 in HO scale, for example. And about 90% of PFE ice reefers. Perhaps PRR and ATSF fans can say as much, but not NP, UP, D&RGW, to name just a few. I think C&O, B&O, NYC (the non-PRR eastern giants) are neglected on the whole.

Remember, Tim, Elden's comment was about gondolas. Care to make that same calculation about SP gondolas? Now I'm sure there ARE neglected roads, and didn't mean to imply otherwise, only that most of us feel that OUR road, obviously important since it's MY favorite, has some much-needed prototypes with no model.
Inclusion of the D&RGW in your list is probably wrong--in the sense that it had a pretty small car fleet. I personally find that road quite interesting and would like to have more D&RGW cars available (I'm a Western modeler, after all), but nationally it WAS a small fleet. If you look at your list (B&O, C&O, NYC) and leave off the coal hoppers, the shortcomings are certainly reduced. But as I said, of COURSE there are neglected roads out there.
At least some of them are neglected because (a) they have few modelers, or (b) their modelers don't buy much. Any hobby store owner can tell you in a minute which roads sell, and which don't. Big surprise: the latter aren't well covered. I doubt we'll ever see the day when the Gilbert-Nelson freight car percentages are used as marketing tools by the manufacturers.

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--- In STMFC@..., "rwitt_2000" <rmwitt@...> wrote:

In Richard's introduction to these NYC USRA clone box cars that he
wrote a few years ago, he stated that the NYC replaced the original
roofs with Murphy rectangular and after 1948 diagonal panel roofs.
Did the NYC retain the ZU-eave roof design on the rebuilt roofs?

Bob Witt, Indianapolis, Indiana

Bob,

All cars I've seen pictures of have retained the ZU-eave.

Jeff English
Troy, New York
(where the business phrase "your satisfaction guaranteed or your money
cheerfully refunded" was coined by William H. Frear)

From: "Russ Strodtz"

The series that I can not understand the absence of is
the NYC 628xxx - 642xxx Gons. Even at the start of my
career they were the most common Gon seen.

I purchased two Sunshine kits at Naperville last fall.

Bill Darnaby

The series that I can not understand the absence of is
the NYC 628xxx - 642xxx Gons. Even at the start of my
career they were the most common Gon seen. Didn't any
other roads have Gons of this same design?

Painting the NYC's would be a breeze. Start out with
grimy black, put on initials and numbers and then
another light coat of grimy black.

We have talked a lot about chalk marks in the past.
These cars often had the Light Weight highlighted
with chalk.

Russ Strodtz

Elden Gatwood wrote:

There are dozens of cars the NYC and P&LE rostered that no one has ever touched. I don't understand, as they would sure be welcome.

In the first sentence, replace "NYC and P&LE" with your favorite road, and it's a sentiment practically everyone on this list will share. <g>

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A truly accurate of the famous NYC red and grey Pacemaker boxcar would sell
too. I think that the closest model might still be the old metal Athearn
which at least had a 3/4 end on it. Somewhere I have one of those. I don't
think Kadee makes the correct PS-1 version for a Pacemaker car. Living here in
the Buffalo area we saw those things all the time in all sorts of trains.



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Many model railroad paints reefer yellow, caboose red.....) had poor
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the color appear much darker). A layer of grey floquil primer allowed a
much thinner coating of problem colors to be applied.

I recall the white Accupaint had surprising hiding power and dried very
quickly, allowing thin layers of caboose red and Conrail blue to be
sprayed with very little time in between.

I used to strip and repaint factory painted cars and found silver paint
as primer beneath some factory painted models (MDC?). I used this on
occasion as primer.

Ed

Tim O'Connor wrote:

We do need more NYC cars,... What I'd love to see are the
rebuilds with new roofs etc. that were seen in the 50's and 60's.

In Richard's introduction to these NYC USRA clone box cars that he
wrote a few years ago, he stated that the NYC replaced the original
roofs with Murphy rectangular and after 1948 diagonal panel roofs.
Did the NYC retain the ZU-eave roof design on the rebuilt roofs?

Bob Witt, Indianapolis, Indiana

Tim;

Those would be super additions! We are currently dominated by the 1945-55
set, and we have had little either in the way of later rebuilds or new
post-55 cars, for any road. I would second that request.



There are dozens of cars the NYC and P&LE rostered that no one has ever
touched. I don't understand, as they would sure be welcome.



Elden Gatwood



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From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Tim
O'Connor
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 11:14 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Re: NYC Steel Boxcars, New Models?




We do need more NYC cars, but as Richard said Al Westerfield
already did these original cars. What I'd love to see are the
rebuilds with new roofs etc. that were seen in the 50's and 60's.

Tim O'Connor

It depends on the color. I painted (mostly brass) for 10 years and
used Scalecoat almost exclusively. I found it necessary to prime
(light gray) when the color coat was to be yellow or most reds.

Jerry Glow

--- In STMFC@..., Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@...>
wrote:

I'll second Denny's observations here. The best primer is a base

coat

of the color the model is to be painted. That's been my experience
with solvent-based paints like Scale Coat and Testor's

Modelmaster.

YMMV, of course, particularly if you're using water-based paints,

with

which I have little experience (all of it negative).

Richard Hendrickson

Sorry, I missread your post.
John

Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:


i've never tried spraying it.

At 4/11/2007 09:28 AM Wednesday, you wrote:

Tim,
What solvent did you use to thin it for spraying?
John Cizmar

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We do need more NYC cars, but as Richard said Al Westerfield
already did these original cars. What I'd love to see are the
rebuilds with new roofs etc. that were seen in the 50's and 60's.

Tim O'Connor

On Apr 10, 2007, at 8:13 PM, Tim O'Connor wrote:

SFRB 6400-6549 built 1958 Pullman-Standard, class Rr-59....

The doors were originally yellow or white, I'm not sure which.

The doors on SFRBs were Santa Fe reefer yellow-orange.

Richard Hendrickson

Whew!



Thanks, Ed. You are the man.



Elden Gatwood



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From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Ed
Hawkins
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 10:32 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] South Buffalo




On Apr 11, 2007, at 9:16 AM, Gatwood, Elden J SAD wrote:

You guys are right! Has anyone informed Kadee? They may still have
time to
correct it before they get printed.

Elden,
I notified Sam Clarke last night.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins

It would be great if they bring this to fruition, as we have sorely needed
more NYC System cars for a long time. Thanks for pursuing this.



Elden Gatwood



________________________________

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of
Richard Hendrickson
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 3:39 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: NYC Steel Boxcars, New Models?



On Apr 10, 2007, at 9:45 AM, Beckert, Shawn wrote:

In the ongoing discussion of the forthcoming New York Central cars,
I somehow missed any mention of just which boxcars we're talking
about. Does anyone have an idea of what NYC lot numbers these
boxcars will fall into?

They're the Spec. 486 cars adapted from the USRA standard steel box car
design (which was never built for the USRA). The models will represent
the cars built for the NYC between 1922 and 1927 with 7-8 corrugated
ends and either three-panel or corrugated doors. See my RMJ article
for a list of lot numbers and the NYC subsidiaries to which the cars
were originally assigned.

Richard Hendrickson

On Apr 11, 2007, at 9:16 AM, Gatwood, Elden J SAD wrote:

You guys are right! Has anyone informed Kadee? They may still have
time to
correct it before they get printed.

Elden,
I notified Sam Clarke last night.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins