--- In STMFC@..., Malcolm Laughlin <mlaughlinnyc@...>
wrote:

Perhaps asking when truss rods were outlawed is asking the wrong

question. The more relevant questions are:

1. When were the rules changed so that truss rods alone would not

do ? -- requiring steel center sill.

After that time, truss rods might still have been used for

additional suupport.

2. At what time were strnght requirements for underframes

increase to the extent that the additional support provided by truss
rods became irrelevant.

Malcolm Laughlin, Editor 617-489-4383
New England Rail Shipper Directories
19 Holden Road, Belmont, MA 02478

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Good questions!
I know GN had rebuilt reefers with steel underframes which still
retained trussrods. Was it done that way because it was cheaper than
rebuilding with stronger steel underframes (and it was allowed) or
was there another reason?
Bill Williams

Perhaps asking when truss rods were outlawed is asking the wrong question. The more relevant questions are:

1. When were the rules changed so that truss rods alone would not do ? -- requiring steel center sill.

After that time, truss rods might still have been used for additional suupport.

2. At what time were strnght requirements for underframes increase to the extent that the additional support provided by truss rods became irrelevant.



Malcolm Laughlin, Editor 617-489-4383
New England Rail Shipper Directories
19 Holden Road, Belmont, MA 02478

... Collinsville, Conn.

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Go to:
http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/collections/habs_haer/ (LIBRARY of Congress)

Look for the Browse Collection header,
select subject then yards!!! Includes maps as well as photos, mysteriously with a fair number of freight cars.

Delaware, Lackawanna & Western Railroad, Scranton Yards
Baltimore & Ohio Railroad, Mount Clare Shops

Plus others

Don't get lost for too long ;)

Jim

last summer I ordered a new "staff" type hand brake for a PPGX tank
car, very few of these cars left.
Jeff Coleman

Tim,

It is interesting to note that much later some GTW cars started
showing up with the logo of a processed foods company about a
foot square stuck on them. I will acknowledge this could have been
just a loading dock Foreman with a good supply of stickers but I
doubt there was any effort made to cover them up or remove them.

Russ Strodtz

Meyers Vinegar was located in Freeport, IL. Meyers received vinegar in bulk in both the horizontal wooden tank and vertical circular vat cars. The vinegar was repackaged in jars and shipped in refers. As to whick owners cars, I have not yet found out as Meyers has been gone for years.

Personal comment. Is there any end to the facinating things involved with this hobby?

John Swanson

Wayner's book "Freight Car Pictorial" shows a war surplus Army flatcar
in use to haul municipal trash seen at Council Bluffs on the U.P. ca.
1971. It clearly has truss rods.I know this is "the exception that
proves the rule",but I think Richard is right about there never being a
specific ban on truss rods. Of course the rules on age of underframes
would have weeded out any cars from the 1920's and earlier that had
truss rods, (assuming there were any such still in service) by the late
1960's.I saw a few vertical staff brake wheels when I first started
railfanning in the early 1970's,but they were rare by then.They were
pretty common on non-revenue equipment on C&O and NYC in my area
(Detroit, MI)however.

Larry King
<lrkdbn@...>

On Mar 27, 2007, at 9:10 PM, Tim O'Connor wrote:

And if I recall these cars are interesting because they used a
special Santa Fe emblem that was sized to fit the 12 panel side.
As far as I know Champ was the only source for this.

Correct. The heralds applied to these cars were 2' square instead of
3', so that the stencils would fit the narrower side sheathing panels
without overlapping the rivet seams – though when repainted in the
1950s 3' heralds were sometimes applied by shops that didn't have the
2' herald stencils. Champ still catalogs the 2' heralds, and, IIRC,
Microscale also has/had a set for covered hoppers which included the 2'
heralds, as the larger heralds would not fit between the side posts on
some Santa Fe covered hopper classes.

Richard Hendrickson


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Allen mentioned:

The ladders are so close there isn't clearance to fit most.
Even with angling of the ladders outward there was insufficient
clearance for any of my trucks even with limited curves. The Taho
archbar may be narrower, I haven't seen one yet. The solution I used
was to add a 2X6 outboard on the walkway, making the walkway wider and
mounted the ladder to that thus gaining an additional foot of
clearance for the trucks.

On my first build, I used Kadee arch bar trucks (5'-6" wheelbase) and just
clipped off the lowest rung and bottom of the stiles of the ladders. They
still look like they should as long as HO scale brakemen don't try to
actually use them...

Jack Burgess
www.yosemitevalleyrr.com

Allen

I have used 20/30 series coupler 'draft gear' in many cases because
they are much smaller and unobtrusive. They fit the standard Kadee
shanks found on #5, scale #58, and most other Kadees. And lastly
you can build them in several permutations allowing for subtle height
adjustments.

I have built this kit, and it's a little sweety. Assembly is more like
a resin kit than an Intermountain. The KD 78's fit with a little
shortining of the box and the end channel. I couldn't imagine how
gross a number 5 box would look. The problem with trucks isn't the
wheelbase- which is a visual problem, but the width of our HO model
trucks. The ladders are so close there isn't clearance to fit most.
Even with angling of the ladders outward there was insufficient
clearance for any of my trucks even with limited curves. The Taho
archbar may be narrower, I haven't seen one yet. The solution I used
was to add a 2X6 outboard on the walkway, making the walkway wider and
mounted the ladder to that thus gaining an additional foot of
clearance for the trucks.
Allen Ferguson

ALL cars are New Assembled, ready to run freight cars.

Branchline Trains of CT. has just recently joined the ranks of US companys having their plastic car offerings painted and assembled in China. I have a few of these very recently imported Branchline boxcars and reefers which I wish to offer to interested STMFC'ers. All are brand new, and are unopened new stock with no hobby store labels affixed. All prices are less shipping. If interested, contact me off-list (Please) at <midcentury@...>

BRANCHLINE 11072 Blt.1953 M-K-T riveted 50' 8'SD boxcar, delivery scheme "the Katy serves the southwest...............have 2................$20.00
BRANCHLINE 111033 Blt. 1955 NKP riveted 50' AAR DD boxcar, delivery scheme boxcar red, black ends...................................$20.00
BRANCHLINE 114122 Blt. 5-47 Georgia 40' AAR 6' SD boxcar, delivery scheme boxcar red, white lettering..........................................$20.00
BRANCHLINE 114192 Blt. 6-47 L&N 40' AAR 6' SD boxcar, 1953 reweigh boxcar red, white lettering "Old Reliable" scheme....have 2......$20.00
BRANCHLINE 120063 Blt. 1957 Milwaukee riveted 50' AAR 9' SD boxcar, boxcar red, white lettering "The Milwaukee Road" del scheme have 3...$20.00
BRANCHLINE 110063 Blt. 1959 Texas & Pacific 50' AAR 8' SD boxcar, delivery scheme boxcar red, white lettering...........have 4.............$20.00
BRANCHLINE Blt. 1956 ERIE riveted 50' AAR 8' SD boxcar, Delivery scheme Diamond herald..............................................................$20.00
BRANCHLINE 112174 Blt. 1929 Chicago & Northwestern 40' ACF Reefer NWX reweigh 2-56 scheme Yellow & Green.........................$21.00
BRANCHLINE 112134 Blt. 1929 Milwaukee URTX 40' ACF Wood Reefer 2-46 reweigh scheme..........................have 2....................$21.00
Same, reweigh 5-52.....................have 2....................$21.00

RED CABOOSE RR 38061 Blt. 1944 Chicago & Great Western '37 AAR boxcar 8-47 reweigh "Cornbelt Route" scheme......have 2..........$16.00
RED CABOOSE RR 38075 Blt. 3-45 Central of Georgia '37 AAR boxcar reweigh-8-47.............................have 2.........................$16.00
RED CABOOSE RR 38092 Blt. 7-40 Pittsburgh & Lake Erie '37 AAR boxcar 5-57 reweigh Black cigar band Billboard lettering.....have 3.......$16.00
RED CABOOSE RR38070 Blt. 1941 New Haven Black w/ orange door '37 AAR boxcar, reweigh 8-55............have 4.................................$16.00
RED CABOOSE RR 38066 Blt 1940 LS&I '37 AAR boxcar, reweigh 10-51 boxcar red "Lake Superior & Ishpeming"......................................$16.00
RED CABOOSE RR 38009 Blt. 8-38 Canadian Pacific Square Corner '37 AAR boxcar, "Spans the World" 9-47 scheme.....have 5.............$16.00
RED CABOOSE RR 37160 Blt. 7-29 Maine Central ARA (X29) 40' boxcar, Green "Pine Tree" 2-54 scheme.........have 4...............................$16.00
RED CABOOSE RR 31002 reweigh 8-45 Mather Meat Refrigerator M.U.N.X. Orange body, red ends/roof, black hardware....................$16.00
RED CABOOSE RR 31001 reweigh 4-44 Mather Meat Refrigerator M.R.R.X.
with "refrigerator" spelled out ..........................................$16.00

INTERMOUNTAIN 49006 Pennsylvania Powered EMD F-7A (ph 1) loco # 9779 Brunswick Green with single stripe......have 4 different #'s...............$55.00
INTERMOUNTAIN same, but F-7B unit, have 2 #'s................$50.00
INTERMOUNTAIN 49102 Southern Pacific EMD F-3A Black Widow, latest run w/ metal handrails, have 300, 334, 6100 and 6137..................$60.00
INTERMOUNTAIN 48401 Blt. 7-57 Armour PCX steel ART Reefer w/ Universal brakes, and horizontal rivet strip 1/2 way up car side...Have 4.....$16.00
INTERMOUNTAIN 48402 Blt. 7-57 Rock Island URTX steel ART reefer w/ Universal brakes, and horizontal rivet strip, reweigh 11-65 have 4...$16.00
INTERMOUNTAIN 48403 Blt. 6-54 URTX "Raskin Packing Co" steel ART reefer w/ horizontal rivet strip, and universal brakes 6-68 reweigh...........$16.00

LIFE LIKE Blt. 3-44 GM&O 50 ton War Emergency Composite Hopper, black scheme reweigh 5-48..........have 3............................................$12.00
LIFE LIKE Blt. 8-41 Cotton Belt 50' AAR SD Boxcar, reweigh 1-58 "Cotton Belt Blue Streak Fast Freight" scheme..............................................$16.00
LIFE LIKE Blt. 2-46 GTW 50' SD AAR boxcar w/ green maple leaf herald, reweigh 6-57..............................................................................$16.00

Thanks,
-Andy Carlson <midcentury@...>
Ojai CA

In older times, the bakers grew yeast in the plant. Farm kitchens had a crock in back of the stove and the yeast was fed sugar. Vintners guarded their yeasts because bad yeasts make poor wine; bad wine becomes brandy or vinegar. The UC Davis Agricultural College has produced several different yeast varieties. Because it is grown on site in quantity, the shipment is actually very small quantities in thermos bottles.
Heinz still sells a great quantity of vinegar; it is a significant ingredient in ketchup and pickles.
Lindsay Smith


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Barry & group,

I gave up waiting. Have three CB&T kits presently in the shop. The
first of which is about to pop out fully finished and weathered(!)...
it is amazing how that happens... :-)... in a couple of days. Used the
body and almost everything else is new. Looks fairly good to me.

Cheers,
-- Bill Keene
Irvine, CA

We still seem to be waiting for the Branchline 10'6" IH 12-panel box,
said to be "forthcoming" back then.

--- In STMFC@..., "Schuyler Larrabee"
<schuyler.larrabee@...> wrote:

Your point is?

SGL

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On
Behalf Of Barry Roth
Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 12:16 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] IRC AT&SF 12 panel box car

Is this thread redux of another, along about message #30334, May

2004?

Your point is?

SGL

Is this thread redux of another, along about message #30334, May 2004?

Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@...> wrote: On Mar 27, 2007, at 6:47 PM, Schuyler Larrabee wrote:

So, if the roof were replaced with a rectangular panel roof, and if
the ends are right, this car'd
be pretty darn good (pending etched roof walk, stirrups, replacement
brakewheel etc., etc.)?

[etc.]

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And if I recall these cars are interesting because they used a
special Santa Fe emblem that was sized to fit the 12 panel side.
As far as I know Champ was the only source for this.

Tim O'Connor