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speaking of box car interiors -- L&NE ARA box

Tim O'Connor
 

Here's a nice interior view (grab it now, this Ebay seller
will delete it very soon) -- Note how the boards only go about
3/4 of the way up the interior. Since these cars were mostly
used for bagged cement, I guess the owner didn't need to waste
money on lining the whole interior.

http://members.aol.com/bigdog244212/0303107.jpg

Tim O'Connor


Re: O.T. lanterns

Dennis Storzek <destorzek@...>
 

--- In STMFC@..., "Fred Mullins" <fmullins@...> wrote:

I know this is off topic but could anyone tell me when did the
railroads stop using the kero lanterns? You can reply off-list if you
like.
thanks
Fred Mullins
Fred,

I remember watching a signal maintainer waddle from switch to switch
filling the lamps with oil in 1969 or '70. This was in the Soo Line's
yard at North Fond du Lac, WI. The Soo's wood cabooses also would have
been still using kerosene marker lamps at this time, as they never had
electricity. However, at some point in the sixties or seventies,
reflective paddles were deemed OK for night use as markers.

My best guess is mid to late sixties was the end of kerosene marker lamps.

Dennis


Re: Des Plaines Hobbies Viking boxcar roof, observations and questions

 

There is also an Australian outfit called Molco (?) which makes
a very nice diagonal panel roof.
Nick MOLOCO does indeed produce a gorgeous Stanray
diagonal panel ZU eave roof.
That would be Nick Molo who runs Moloco, 42 Alpha Mills Road, Streetsville,
Ontario, CANADA L5N-1H6

Dan Stinson
Helena, Montana


Re: new approach to stocking freight car kit parts

W.R.Dixon
 

ed_mines wrote:
Kodos to Andy Carlson for offering kits and parts for steam era freight cars and manufacturers like Intermountain & Red Caboose who sell parts at very attractive prices.
Can I suggest that hobby shops that stock parts make their inventories available online to service mail orders?
Such a simple suggestion. A pity it is not so simple to setup or maintain.
I suspect that the return may not pay for the effort.

Mike has censured many of messages criticizing the business practices of the Walthers company. They are in business to make money, not serve the hobby.
They make money By Serving the Hobby. If they weren't doing a good job they would not be in business.

I work for a store that does a lot of business with Walthers, three or more orders a week. If someone orders something I can tell them if it is in stock and when to expect to see it. If they want to know how many are in stock I can have an answer in three minutes.

If we had to deal separately with every company whose product Walthers carries, we couldn't do that. Instead of just putting it on the current order (due in the store in a week to ten days), we would have to accumulate orders until we had enough for a minimum order from a company. That could take months!

The test of whether a company is doing a good job is who is their competition. If Wally was doing a crappy job competition would be cropping up all over. It isn't. Their only close competition is Hobby Horizons and if they didn't have a monopoly on Athearn and MDC they wouldn't be in the game.

Walthers is not perfect but they currently are the best game in town.

And since we were speaking about parts, we stock a lot of them. 30+ double sided pegboard panels of them and more coming. A big pain at inventory time!

Now back to steam era freight cars. I like the series on gondolas.

Bill Dixon


Re: 4th gon in the saga

Chet French <cfrench@...>
 

John,

My untrained eyes see the Speedwitch large WABASH lettering being
very close to the correct 18" in height, while the F&C set measures
21 inches.

Chet French
Dixon, IL




--- In STMFC@..., "golden1014" <golden1014@...> wrote:

Clark, All,

I checked the Speedwitch Wabash gondola decals vs. the F&C decals
last night. The Speedwitch decals are appox. six inches shorter in
height than the F&C decals supplied with the gondola kit. I
wouldn'd
discount using the SW set yet, as you should compare the F&C decals
with a prototype photo.

Anyway, thought you'd like to know. My Westerfield DS car with the
SW decals turned out quite nice IMHO.

John

John Golden
O'Fallon, IL


--- In STMFC@..., "golden1014" <golden1014@> wrote:

Hey Clark,

I'm halfway through building the same F&C car, although I'm doing
the ACL version. You're right--it's a nice car and the side/end
castings are pretty nice.

As for decals, I recently used a set of Speedwitch decals to
finish
a Wabash DS box car. Ted offers a Wabash set for the 65' mill gon
and the large WABASH lettering fits the Westerfield box just
right
and isn't as bulky as the Westerfield set.

I'll do a TLAR (That Looks About Right) check with Ted's set on
the
ACL car and let you know if that set could work for the 'Bash car.

John

John Golden
O'Fallon, IL


Re: 4th gon in the saga

golden1014
 

Clark, All,

I checked the Speedwitch Wabash gondola decals vs. the F&C decals
last night. The Speedwitch decals are appox. six inches shorter in
height than the F&C decals supplied with the gondola kit. I wouldn'd
discount using the SW set yet, as you should compare the F&C decals
with a prototype photo.

Anyway, thought you'd like to know. My Westerfield DS car with the
SW decals turned out quite nice IMHO.

John

John Golden
O'Fallon, IL


--- In STMFC@..., "golden1014" <golden1014@...> wrote:

Hey Clark,

I'm halfway through building the same F&C car, although I'm doing
the ACL version. You're right--it's a nice car and the side/end
castings are pretty nice.

As for decals, I recently used a set of Speedwitch decals to
finish
a Wabash DS box car. Ted offers a Wabash set for the 65' mill gon
and the large WABASH lettering fits the Westerfield box just right
and isn't as bulky as the Westerfield set.

I'll do a TLAR (That Looks About Right) check with Ted's set on
the
ACL car and let you know if that set could work for the 'Bash car.

John

John Golden
O'Fallon, IL


O.T. lanterns

Fred Mullins
 

I know this is off topic but could anyone tell me when did the
railroads stop using the kero lanterns? You can reply off-list if you
like.
thanks
Fred Mullins


Painting of GN DS boxcars

Kurt Laughlin <fleeta@...>
 

Hi:

Were any of the Great Northern double sheathed 40-ft boxcars (45000 - 52999) painted in the "tilted roadname" scheme, or whatever it was called?

Thanks,
KL


Rio Grande and Eagle Pass

Justin Kahn
 

I've always been fascinated by the Rio Grande and Eagle Pass, perhaps because they did have a 44T (although only for a few years before abandonment). A couple of years ago, among a large collection of prints of locomotives on ebay were two or three RG&EP steam locomotives, one of which I'm pretty sure was a Brooks 2-8-0 (the bidding went higher than I wanted to go). A 2-8-0 (and other power) suggests a fair amount of tonnage, and that area didn't have much industry or population to justify it otherwise, so A. T.'s speculation about coal traffic seems plausible.
Of course, by the time a 44T could handle the traffic, one might infer the deposits were pretty well exhausted.
Jace Kahn, General Manager
Ceres and Canisteo RR Co.




That was probably metallurgical grade coal or coke in the MP hoppers
out there. It may have come from Arkansas or Illinois.

Down here in south Texas, there was some lignite coal (quite nice
lignite coal on the I-GN at Rockdale, Texas - almost as good quality
as bitumenous), but no anthracite. It was used locally as fuel.
Also found in poorer quality at Lytle, Texas on MP.

The anthracite used in water treatment plants most certainly came
from Pennsylvania - it was specially cleaned, washed and graded for
that purpose.

There was some bitumenous coal on the T&P west of Ft Worth. It had
no special characteristics, other than for use as fuel. T&P rostered
some double offset-side hoppers in the steam era for this traffic.

There was/is some wierd, unique coal in a small area that was served
by the I-GN at Laredo, Texas. A shortline, Rio Grande & Eagle Pass,
ran northwest out of Laredo to a "cannel" coal field at Minera, Texas
on the Rio Grande. This was a waxey coal - I have no idea what it
was used for, but it had a specialty use during the steam era -
possibly as a component of varnishes. It was similar, but not
identical to, gilsonite in the Book Cliff area of Colorado.

Note that Piedras Negras, Mexico is across the river from Eagle Pass,
Texas. Piedras Negras means "black rock" in Spanish - coal, but not
the cannel type, despite the nearness to Minera. There was a huge
steel rolling mill on the Mexican side during the steam era. A now-
deceased friend purchased the RG&EP rail and equipment in 1942 so
that he could construct the AFbase at Del Rio - he could not obtain
heavy equipment any faster way in those times. Their only loco was
an ex-LV GE 44-tonner, I recall.

A.T. Kott
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Re: 4th gon in the saga

rockroll50401 <cepropst@...>
 

Thanks Chet and Tim, but I'm already lying in the decal bed I made...a
tacky bed at that.
Clark Propst


Re: Freight car parts availability

rockroll50401 <cepropst@...>
 

Scale Model Supply in St Paul is another well stocked shop. I don't
know if hey deal on the internet. I was amazed to see a wall of Grandt
line parts last time I was there. They still have Front Range kits on
the shelf at full list price of course.
Clark Propst


Re: Des Plaines Hobbies Viking boxcar roof, observations and questions

armprem
 

Do they have the correct trucks?Armand Premo

----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert MANLEY" <robev1630@...>
To: <STMFC@...>
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 1:04 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Des Plaines Hobbies Viking boxcar roof, observations and questions


> Guys,
> I got this off the Desplaines Hobby website.
> The Erie car is available as:
> DPH276 thru DPH279
> 4#'s available - 78519, 78525, 78603, 78777
> Viking Boxcar - Erie Black and White Large Diamond AAR Boxcar
> Freight Car Red Car with White Lettering
> Black Viking Roof with Black Ends
> $17.98 each.
>
> In response to another thread concerning parts,
> Desplaines is a grocery store full of parts and decals.
> They also deal on the internet. Many of my strolls down
> Ron's aisles resulted in new projects and the further advancement
> of my hobby skills. He keeps all of his detail parts out in the open
> allowing you to hold and examine the parts.
> Rob Manley
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: bill_d_goat <billdgoat@...>
> To: STMFC@...
> Sent: Friday, March 9, 2007 10:58:28 AM
> Subject: [STMFC] Re: Des Plaines Hobbies Viking boxcar roof, observations and questions
>
> --- In STMFC@yahoogroups. com, Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@ ...>
> wrote:
>>
>> On Mar 8, 2007, at 3:34 PM, timboconnor@ ... wrote:
>>
>> > Yep, your brain cells are still hitting on all cylinders. :-) Ron
> had
>> > all
>> > four road names. The C&EI cars had a "Buy War Bonds" logo... IIRC
>> > some of the cars originally had black painted doors, a detail DPH
> may
>> > have overlooked.
>>
>> In fact, there were two C&EI kits, one with the War Bonds slogan
> and
>> one without.
>>
>> Richard Hendrickson
>>
> FWIW, a few years ago I ordered the War Bonds C&EI car since I model
> 1943. It was a great kit to assemble.
> Later I happened to be looking through some WWII era "Railroad"
> magazines and found in one a reference about C&EI painting this
> slogan on some cars, listing the car number of the first car to be so
> painted. I checked my model and found that it had the same number.
> DPH is to be commended for outstanding prototype research.
>
>
>
>
> >
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: Des Plaines Hobbies Viking boxcar roof, observations and questions

Mike Fortney
 

DPH in Des Plaines,IL and Hawkin's Rail Service in Lafayette,IN. are
two of the best in the Midwest for in-stock parts. Hawkin's is just
like walking into a catalog despite its appearance that a bomb just
went off. You pull up a chair and at your leisure go thru box after
box of parts, pieces, you name it. I visit every year or so and can't
leave without dropping a couple C notes for parts alone.

Mike Fortney

--- In STMFC@..., Robert MANLEY <robev1630@...> wrote:

Guys,
I got this off the Desplaines Hobby website.
The Erie car is available as:
DPH276 thru DPH279
4#'s available - 78519, 78525, 78603, 78777
Viking Boxcar - Erie Black and White Large Diamond AAR Boxcar
Freight Car Red Car with White Lettering
Black Viking Roof with Black Ends
$17.98 each.

In response to another thread concerning parts,
Desplaines is a grocery store full of parts and decals.
They also deal on the internet. Many of my strolls down
Ron's aisles resulted in new projects and the further advancement
of my hobby skills. He keeps all of his detail parts out in the open
allowing you to hold and examine the parts.
Rob Manley




----- Original Message ----
From: bill_d_goat <billdgoat@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Friday, March 9, 2007 10:58:28 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Des Plaines Hobbies Viking boxcar roof,
observations and questions

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups. com, Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@ ...>
wrote:

On Mar 8, 2007, at 3:34 PM, timboconnor@ ... wrote:

Yep, your brain cells are still hitting on all cylinders. :-) Ron
had
all
four road names. The C&EI cars had a "Buy War Bonds" logo... IIRC
some of the cars originally had black painted doors, a detail DPH
may
have overlooked.
In fact, there were two C&EI kits, one with the War Bonds slogan
and
one without.

Richard Hendrickson
FWIW, a few years ago I ordered the War Bonds C&EI car since I model
1943. It was a great kit to assemble.
Later I happened to be looking through some WWII era "Railroad"
magazines and found in one a reference about C&EI painting this
slogan on some cars, listing the car number of the first car to be so
painted. I checked my model and found that it had the same number.
DPH is to be commended for outstanding prototype research.






Re: 4th gon in the saga

Chet French <cfrench@...>
 

Clark,

Both Mark Vaughn's and Speedwitch decals would work The large WABASH
lettering is 18" in height. The reporting marks WAB is 9" and the
car number 7". Capy, Lt Lmt, Lt Wgt, are 3" and dimensional data
2". The end lettering include 4" WABASH and numbers.

Chet French
Dixon, IL


--- In STMFC@..., Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:


Speedwitch makes a Wabash gondola set now, it may have the right
size letters, if not the data.


At 3/9/2007 11:01 AM Friday, you wrote:

I'm halfway through building the same F&C car, although I'm
doing
the ACL version.
John Golden
John,
I have a set of Mark Vaughan's box car decals. I didn't use them
because the large letters appear to be different on the gondola.
They
probably aren't. I really didn't notice how bad the F&C deacls
were
until a got them off the paper and on the darker model. Weathering
can
fix any screw up:)

I am going to try to paint the inside of the ends to'look'like
they are
stamped. We'll see how it works out now that the car is assembled.
I
wish I'd thought of it before I put the thing together. I'm also
going
to make masks for individual boards for the inside sides and
overspary
them to see how that works. Again I should have thought of this
stuff
before assembly.
Clark Propst


Re: Freight car parts availability

Jack Burgess <jack@...>
 

While I purchase parts from The Train Shop in San Jose whenever possible, it
is difficult since they put all parts in boxes behind the counter. You
therefore need to come in with a list since you can't "browse" the parts
themselves. When I have a large project, it is frustrating to visit the
hobby shop and find that they have everything except 1 package of these and
1 package of those. To avoid those problems, I sometimes mail order
everything I need for such a project. I try to avoid Walthers and instead
mail order parts from Caboose Hobbies. They show the availability of parts
on their website and, if you prefer, you can call them and talk to a real
person to put in your order. I did have them mess up a very large order of
Evergreen styrene once and not only did they make it right, but they
reimbursed my card for mailing back the wrong stuff. Everyone makes mistakes
sometimes, but they really handled this problem correctly.

Jack Burgess
www.yosemitevalleyrr.com


Re: Des Plaines Hobbies Viking boxcar roof, observations and questions

Rob & Bev Manley
 

Guys,
I got this off the Desplaines Hobby website.
The Erie car is available as:
DPH276 thru DPH279
4#'s available - 78519, 78525, 78603, 78777
Viking Boxcar - Erie Black and White Large Diamond AAR Boxcar
Freight Car Red Car with White Lettering
Black Viking Roof with Black Ends
$17.98 each.

In response to another thread concerning parts,
Desplaines is a grocery store full of parts and decals.
They also deal on the internet. Many of my strolls down
Ron's aisles resulted in new projects and the further advancement
of my hobby skills. He keeps all of his detail parts out in the open
allowing you to hold and examine the parts.
Rob Manley

----- Original Message ----
From: bill_d_goat <billdgoat@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Friday, March 9, 2007 10:58:28 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Des Plaines Hobbies Viking boxcar roof, observations and questions

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups. com, Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@ ...>
wrote:

On Mar 8, 2007, at 3:34 PM, timboconnor@ ... wrote:

Yep, your brain cells are still hitting on all cylinders. :-) Ron
had
all
four road names. The C&EI cars had a "Buy War Bonds" logo... IIRC
some of the cars originally had black painted doors, a detail DPH
may
have overlooked.
In fact, there were two C&EI kits, one with the War Bonds slogan
and
one without.

Richard Hendrickson
FWIW, a few years ago I ordered the War Bonds C&EI car since I model
1943. It was a great kit to assemble.
Later I happened to be looking through some WWII era "Railroad"
magazines and found in one a reference about C&EI painting this
slogan on some cars, listing the car number of the first car to be so
painted. I checked my model and found that it had the same number.
DPH is to be commended for outstanding prototype research.


new approach to stocking freight car kit parts

ed_mines
 

Kodos to Andy Carlson for offering kits and parts for steam era
freight cars and manufacturers like Intermountain & Red Caboose who
sell parts at very attractive prices.

Can I suggest that hobby shops that stock parts make their
inventories available online to service mail orders?

It would be easier to order parts and general hobby supplies from
several companies from one source rather pay shipping several times.
We shouldn't begrudge them if they charge full price.

Parts usually don't move at a general hobby shop, especially now
there are so many.

Mike has censured many of messages criticizing the business practices
of the Walthers company. They are in business to make money, not
serve the hobby. Until a recent post it never occured to me that
manufacturers pay them to be listed in the Walthers catalog. I hope
their business practices come back to bite them in the ass.

My "local" hobby shop - Trainland in Lynbrook - appears to be doing
very well (haven't been inside in a few years). They charge full
price for paint, adhesives ......Parts? ha,ha.

Ed


Re: Des Plaines Hobbies Viking boxcar roof, observations and questions

bill_d_goat
 

--- In STMFC@..., Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@...>
wrote:

On Mar 8, 2007, at 3:34 PM, timboconnor@... wrote:

Yep, your brain cells are still hitting on all cylinders. :-) Ron
had
all
four road names. The C&EI cars had a "Buy War Bonds" logo... IIRC
some of the cars originally had black painted doors, a detail DPH
may
have overlooked.
In fact, there were two C&EI kits, one with the War Bonds slogan
and
one without.

Richard Hendrickson
FWIW, a few years ago I ordered the War Bonds C&EI car since I model
1943. It was a great kit to assemble.
Later I happened to be looking through some WWII era "Railroad"
magazines and found in one a reference about C&EI painting this
slogan on some cars, listing the car number of the first car to be so
painted. I checked my model and found that it had the same number.
DPH is to be commended for outstanding prototype research.


Re: 4th gon in the saga

Tim O'Connor
 

Speedwitch makes a Wabash gondola set now, it may have the right
size letters, if not the data.

At 3/9/2007 11:01 AM Friday, you wrote:

I'm halfway through building the same F&C car, although I'm doing
the ACL version.
John Golden
John,
I have a set of Mark Vaughan's box car decals. I didn't use them
because the large letters appear to be different on the gondola. They
probably aren't. I really didn't notice how bad the F&C deacls were
until a got them off the paper and on the darker model. Weathering can
fix any screw up:)

I am going to try to paint the inside of the ends to'look'like they are
stamped. We'll see how it works out now that the car is assembled. I
wish I'd thought of it before I put the thing together. I'm also going
to make masks for individual boards for the inside sides and overspary
them to see how that works. Again I should have thought of this stuff
before assembly.
Clark Propst


Re: Des Plaines Hobbies Viking boxcar roof, observations and questions

rockroll50401 <cepropst@...>
 

(if I remember correctly). Ron may have done C&O as well.

Tom Madden
You are correct. I renumbered the C&O car and used Kieth Renterrer (sp)
parts to make my C&O 5400 series car.
Clark Propst

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