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Re: strange C&NW cars
Ray Meyer
I've seen the picture before and had the same questions (since I scratch
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built a model to this picture). They are obviously insulated box cars, and if this were out east, I would say milk reefers. Probably to haul some produce that did not refrigeration but protection from extremes of weather.
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strange C&NW cars
Miller, Andrew S. <asmiller@...>
Can anyone educate me on the purpose of these C&NW cars?
http://www.shorpy.com/files/images/1a34660uu.jpg <http://www.shorpy.com/files/images/1a34660uu.jpg> They have hinged, refrigerator car doors, but no ice hatches! Are they rebuilds? regards, Andy Miller |
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Re: Weathering DVD Now Available to Order!
smason22000 <smason2@...>
--- In STMFC@..., "pierreoliver2003" <pierre.oliver@...> wrote:
I agree with Pierre and Ben, and Mike and I address in detail the different ways modern cars weather vs. steam era or transition cars. Mike does not limit himself to weathering only modern cars in this DVD though. In "Volume 2", which will be ready to pre-order next week, I focus on steam era cars, and demonstrate weathering techniques using weathering powders and airbrushing to depict the effects of soot, rain, dust, mud and rust. Primarily, beyond soot, the main difference a steam era car rusts vs. a modern car, has to do with the type of paint that was used. In the steam era, most cars were painted with lead-based paint. Cars were pretty much bullet-proof, and didn't rust unless they were scraped, dented, scratched or otherwise damaged. What you saw was an accumulation of soot that washed down the sides and ends of the car from the roof and accumulated along the rivet and weld seams as well as the door tracks. Dust, and mud could be seen along the underside, wheels, sideframes and bottom edges of the cars. Rust could be found along hinges, door tracks, couplers and any other moving parts. Modern paints allow for blistering, fading and rapid aging, which is why you see lots of rust on modern cars Scott www.scottymason.com |
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Re: speaking of Virginian hopper cars...
Garth G. Groff <ggg9y@...>
Ben,
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Not just into the 1970s, but VGN hopper cars were still around into the mid-1980s. I used to hang out around the N&W terminal in Norfolk when I was stationed there in 1982 and 1983. Virginian and NKP happers in original paint were still quite common. Later when I moved to Charlottesville I saw my last VGN hopper in the Southern-C&O interchange around 1985. I'm not sure if many, or any, N&W-absorbed hoppers were relettered. The VGN cars I saw were mostly two-pocket ribbed types (with an occasional three-pocket), all in fairly good condition. The NKP cars were all offset triples, usually disreputable (with "straw doors") and frequently with scratch NKP lettering. I never saw any of these types wearing N&W lettering. Kind regards, Garth G. Groff Benjamin Hom wrote: Tim O'Connor wrote: |
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Re: Wartime tank car
Garth G. Groff <ggg9y@...>
Bruce,
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Some must have hung around the U.S., probably only in on-post service. One used to sit on the stub of the old C&O Hot Springs Branch at Covington, Virginia. It was apparently used by the failed Allegheny Central tourist railroad, and was left there when the rest of the equipment went elsewhere after the branch closed. It was in the company of one of those curious arch-roofed Army boxcars and a wooden C&O caboose. Kind regards, Garth G. Groff Bruce Smith wrote: On Jul 3, 2007, at 3:33 PM, timboconnor@... wrote: |
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Re: Weathering DVD Now Available to Order!
pierreoliver2003 <pierre.oliver@...>
Not to take anything away from Mike Rose and his incredible talent, I
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have to concur with Ben's position on this matter. The methods that I use for weathering freight cars change greatly depending on the era of the car. I've observed that along with the soot issue, paints fail differently, modern cars seem to have far more rust "burn spots" and that modern cars do not seem to be as well maintained. At least thats' the way I see it. Pierre Oliver
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Re: Well Packed Lump Coal
s shaffer
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From: "Steve" <winslow7076@...> To: <STMFC@...> Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 5:32 AM Subject: [STMFC] Well Packed Lump Coal Group; Found this picture at the West Virginia Historical Photographs Collection. A C&O twin hopper loaded with lump coal, laid in so cleanly it almost looks like paving stones. Is this typical loading for this size of coal, or is it so well placed for the sake of the photographer? http://images.lib.wvu.edu/cgi/i/image/getimage-idx?viewid=003502.JPG; cc=wvcp;entryid=x-003502;view=image Steve M Stull Winslow 7076 Yahoo! Groups Links -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.9.14/884 - Release Date: 7/2/2007 3:35 PM |
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The S-CL Modeler #1
golden1014
Gentlemen,
The first issue of The Seaboard-Coast Line Modeler is now available for at http://www.aclsal.org/ Yes, our magazine is a complete knock-off of TKM, but we did it with permission of the TKM guys so that makes it legal. There's minimal steam era content this issue, but we are featuring an article by one each Clark Propst on kitbashing an SAL AF-4 auto car. I hear it's a pretty funny read. If any of gentlemen would care to write something for us, please contact me at Golden1014@... or at jgolden@... for details. ACL, SAL, SCL, Seaboard System (to include former L&N), CSX, predecessor lines (C&WC, CN&L, AB&C, etc.) are fair game for articles. We'll even consider articles on run-through power (like Frisco GP-40s) or pool freight cars (like FGE) if your daring enough to submit and make your case. If you don't care to write an article, send photos of your models and we'll run them in our "Modeler's Showcase" section. We'll also publish photos of models that are in progress. We're publishing quarterly, so the next issue should be out in early September. In the meantime, we'd appreciate your thoughtful comments and suggestions so we can make our magazine better. Thanks for your time--see you at Naperville! John John Golden O'Fallon, IL http://www.pbase.com/golden1014 |
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Re: Weathering DVD Now Available to Order!
benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
Kurt Laughlin wrote:
"Are Mike's techniques "dated" solely because post-steam trains were cleaner or due to differences in loads carried (less coal?), materials (better steels), or construction (welding vs rivetting)?" Simply put, the biggest single weathering agent missing from what Mike is trying to reproduce is the steam locomotive itself. Steam era freight cars quickly accumulated a layer of soot which created a markedly different appearance than that of post-steam freight cars. Fading paint and rusted roofs tended to be masked or be far less apparent than the effect seen today. For a more detailed discussion on this subject, see Richard Hendrickson's "Vintage Dating Freight Cars with Weathering" from the December 1995 issue of Railmodel Journal. This article is required reading for anyone wanting to model steam era freight cars. Ben Hom |
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Re: Weathering DVD Now Available to Order!
Kurt Laughlin <fleeta@...>
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From: benjaminfrank_hom Mike's techniques are truly innovative and definitely deserve a place in you skills toolbox; however, be aware that these techniques are geared towards modeling post-steam freight cars. There is a definite difference in the appearance of weathered freight cars before and after the retirement of the steam locomotive, and you can't blindly apply these techniques to frieght cars of the steam-to-diesel transistion era without understanding of the prototype. ----- Original Message ----- Are Mike's techniques "dated" solely because post-steam trains were cleaner or due to differences in loads carried (less coal?), materials (better steels), or construction (welding vs rivetting)? KL |
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Re: Weathering DVD Now Available to Order!
benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
Scott Mason wrote:
"Our latest DVD project, "Weathering Freight Cars, Volume 1" is now ready to order. Volume 1 features well known weathering artist Mike Rose. Mike demonstrates his weathering techniques using artists' oils on a variety of rolling stock." Mike's techniques are truly innovative and definitely deserve a place in you skills toolbox; however, be aware that these techniques are geared towards modeling post-steam freight cars. There is a definite difference in the appearance of weathered freight cars before and after the retirement of the steam locomotive, and you can't blindly apply these techniques to frieght cars of the steam-to-diesel transistion era without understanding of the prototype. Ben Hom |
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Re: Well Packed Lump Coal
With Eudora on either platform, you can edit any message. So I
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correct the URL in the message, save it, and then click. If the URL is a transient picture (like from Ebay) I copy the picture (^A^C) and paste it (^V) into the message if I want to remember it... voila! child's play :-) Tim
At 7/4/2007 05:42 PM Wednesday, you wrote:
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Re: Well Packed Lump Coal
Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
Larry Jackman wrote:
WOW Macs with OSX.4 Tiger are good.In the broad (if occasionally OT) spirit of the Fourth, I'd say you sure got that right, Larry!! Tony Thompson 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail: thompsonmarytony@... |
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Re: Well Packed Lump Coal
Ljack70117@...
I do not know how your PCs work with e mail and URLs, But on My MAC when I get an email with a busted URL I hit reply and when that comes up I change the address from who ever to myself.
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I then go to the URL and delete the space between the two parts. This makes it one. I send the email. When it comes back to me I click on the URL and it opens Safari and goes to the web page. WOW Macs with OSX.4 Tiger are good. Thank you Larry Jackman Boca Raton FL ljack70117@... I was born with nothing and I have most of it left
On Jul 4, 2007, at 2:51 PM, toddsyr wrote:
I had a similar if not the same problem. It's fairly common with links in the mailing lists also. For me anyhow. You see the posted link, but only part of it looks like a link ( blue print ). The rest of the link doesn't look like part of it ( black print ). When you try and copy and paste the entire link, only the part in blue appears after you paste. That's ok though, just minimize the page you pasted to before hitting ENTER. I then copy and paste ONLY the missing part ( black print ) and add it to the URL in the page I minimized, thus getting the whole web address I'm trying to link to. THEN you hit ENTER to access the desired link. |
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Re: Well Packed Lump Coal
toddsyr <toddsyr@...>
I had a similar if not the same problem. It's fairly common with links in the mailing lists also. For me anyhow. You see the posted link, but only part of it looks like a link ( blue print ). The rest of the link doesn't look like part of it ( black print ). When you try and copy and paste the entire link, only the part in blue appears after you paste. That's ok though, just minimize the page you pasted to before hitting ENTER. I then copy and paste ONLY the missing part ( black print ) and add it to the URL in the page I minimized, thus getting the whole web address I'm trying to link to. THEN you hit ENTER to access the desired link.
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Todd K. Stearns ( Still getting my 2 Grand worth out of a PC I bought in 1999 )
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From: al_brown03 To: STMFC@... Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2007 7:15 AM Subject: [STMFC] Re: Well Packed Lump Coal I tried to copy the URL from the original message into my browser; it wouldn't all copy, so I had to type in the rest. *Then* I got to see this amazing coal load (almost looks like the car has a beehive oven sitting in it). Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla. --- In STMFC@..., "Jared Harper" <harper-brown@...> wrote: > > I can't bring up the image. All I get is error messages. > Jared Harper > Athens, GA > __________ NOD32 2374 (20070703) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com |
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Re: Well Packed Lump Coal
tbarney2004
--- In STMFC@..., "Jared Harper" <harper-brown@...> wrote:
it's a multi line URL...the ; is NOT the end of it...copy and paste the line after that which is the rest of the line...yahoo truncated it due to the punctuation mark in the URL and the excessive line length Tim Barney |
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Re: speaking of Virginian hopper cars...
Benjamin Hom <b.hom@...>
Tim O'Connor wrote:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130130881193 VGN 1870, from VGN 1000-2499, Class H-14. It's interesting to find a VGN car that had not been renumbered, reclassed, and repainted in N&W, much less surviving in full VGN paint into the 1970s. Ben Hom |
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speaking of Virginian hopper cars...
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Re: Well Packed Lump Coal
al_brown03
I tried to copy the URL from the original message into my browser; it
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wouldn't all copy, so I had to type in the rest. *Then* I got to see this amazing coal load (almost looks like the car has a beehive oven sitting in it). Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.
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Re: Well Packed Lump Coal
Jared Harper <harper-brown@...>
I can't bring up the image. All I get is error messages.
Jared Harper Athens, GA |
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