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Re: Pacific Electric

Paul Doggett
 

RJ

Thank you for your explanation I now understand it. No I am not going to build any PE cars as I have not got any kits although I do have two sunshine B50-14s to build but no PE decals I think the PE had some B50-14s.
Cheers 
Paul Doggett.    England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 


On 25 Jan 2021, at 16:25, radiodial868 <radiodial57@...> wrote:

Paul, now you are talking my early era and California traction focus!
In the teens, 20's and early 30's, industry was centralized in and around south & central Los Angeles. The tracks in LA were not designed to steam standards and contained many typical streetcar and interurban type curves as PE was built from many early small lines. Some of these served the early industries.
Freight loads kinda fell into 3 buckets:
Originating. LA was a major west coast manufacturing hub, so for outbound cars they used their own PE cars (Box, Stock, Flat & Gon)
Interline. In the noted era, much of the traffic was home road. Agricultural, stockcars, LCL, oil drilling, etc. Once again PE cars.
Destination. Shipping manuals flagged customers served by sharp curve trackage, much like those throughout the country where weight or ht/width restrictions existed. Shipping clerks were very knowledgeable back then. Solution was a PE car could be ordered from PE car Mgmt Dept and travel empty to shipper. This was common for loads originating on the nearby SP & AT&SF. Usually though, the inbound was shipped to one of the outlying freight houses and then trucked. You would think that the shipper could do that with PE, SP or AT&SF, but this was the highly regulated era, and if the customer was designated as PE, too bad. (we forget about the business side as it is not as interesting as operations)
In the 1930's industry started moving out and away from core LA, lines were upgraded, and so on, so the unique cars were no longer needed by WWII. But lucky for us, PE cars kept the outside linkage usually to retirement. Probably too expensive to modify and the operational interface was the same as a conventional car.

Rather simplified explanation and missing a lot of detail, but hope it helps. You thinking of knocking out some Sunshine, Westerfield or Owl Mountain PE freight cars?
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RJ Dial

Mendocino, CA


Re: Pacific Electric

radiodial868
 

Paul, now you are talking my early era and California traction focus!
In the teens, 20's and early 30's, industry was centralized in and around south & central Los Angeles. The tracks in LA were not designed to steam standards and contained many typical streetcar and interurban type curves as PE was built from many early small lines. Some of these served the early industries.
Freight loads kinda fell into 3 buckets:
Originating. LA was a major west coast manufacturing hub, so for outbound cars they used their own PE cars (Box, Stock, Flat & Gon)
Interline. In the noted era, much of the traffic was home road. Agricultural, stockcars, LCL, oil drilling, etc. Once again PE cars.
Destination. Shipping manuals flagged customers served by sharp curve trackage, much like those throughout the country where weight or ht/width restrictions existed. Shipping clerks were very knowledgeable back then. Solution was a PE car could be ordered from PE car Mgmt Dept and travel empty to shipper. This was common for loads originating on the nearby SP & AT&SF. Usually though, the inbound was shipped to one of the outlying freight houses and then trucked. You would think that the shipper could do that with PE, SP or AT&SF, but this was the highly regulated era, and if the customer was designated as PE, too bad. (we forget about the business side as it is not as interesting as operations)
In the 1930's industry started moving out and away from core LA, lines were upgraded, and so on, so the unique cars were no longer needed by WWII. But lucky for us, PE cars kept the outside linkage usually to retirement. Probably too expensive to modify and the operational interface was the same as a conventional car.

Rather simplified explanation and missing a lot of detail, but hope it helps. You thinking of knocking out some Sunshine, Westerfield or Owl Mountain PE freight cars?
--
-------------------
RJ Dial

Mendocino, CA


Pacific Electric

Paul Doggett
 

Hi

The Pacific Electrics own cars had an unusual hand brake arrangement because of the tight curves. Foreign cars must have traveled over the PE lines with standard handbrake linkage how was this done?

Paul Doggett. England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿


Re: U.P. S-40-6 Double Deck Live Stock Car

al_brown03
 

My understanding is that double-deck stock cars were normally used for smaller animals like hogs or sheep: same kind of critter on each deck. Cattle would travel in single-deck cars. A very interesting book on live stock traffic is Sandifer, "Santa Fe Live Stock Operations". While the discussion is of the Santa Fe, much of what's said is generally applicable.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.


U.P. S-40-6 Double Deck Live Stock Car

Bryian Sones
 

So I finally got around to building some S-40-6 1955 Live Stock Car from UHPS. While building the cars I discovered that an adult Scale cow would not be able to stand in the lower deck of the car. There is plenty of clearance in the top deck. When the prototype cars were rebuilt with double decks is it possible that the upper deck was perhaps used for larger live stock and the lower used for smaller? If this is not the case perhaps the model has the deck located too low? Did anyone come across this issue when building these cars. I didn't come across this issue with the Westerfield version of the car however, that models doesn't have simulated wood where the upper deck should be so I went off of photos to located it. I also only loaded those cars with smaller live stock which leads to my final question..... Were these cars ever loaded with larger live stock such as cattle after they were rebuilt and fitted with double decks?      .

Thanks,

Bryian Sones
Union Pacific Prototype Modeler
Murrieta, CA


Re: Reply Re: [RealSTMFC] WP R-30-13-9 - 1st transmission

O Fenton Wells
 

Me too I wasn't paying attention, my bad
fenton

On Sun, Jan 24, 2021 at 9:00 PM O Fenton Wells via groups.io <srrfan1401=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
Regular mail is fine, and since you don't know me feel free to wait till the check clears before you ship.  I'm at
Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374-8956

On Sun, Jan 24, 2021 at 8:56 PM O Fenton Wells via groups.io <srrfan1401=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
Ken, that would be great and I'll get the check in the mail tomorrow for $61.96  Send me your snail mail address and I'll known where it should go
Thank you
Fenton

On Sun, Jan 24, 2021 at 8:51 PM Kenneth Montero <va661midlo@...> wrote:
Fenton,
 
You are in luck. I do have two kits #42700 FGE wood refrigerator undecorated.
 
Normally, I don't sell from my collection, but I will do so for you because of what you do for this hobby. I literally have many other projects that will get attention if I sell these to you.
 
Here is my situation:
 
I also bought different FGE/WFE decal sets  (D119 and D142) from Ted Culotta to use with these kits. I have no need for the decals if I sell the kits. Therefore, what I am offering is a package deal - both kits and both decal sets.
 
I would like to get my purchase price for each item. Each kit cost me $18.98 at Chesterfield Hobbies (price sticker on box). I paid Ted  $12.00 for decal set D142 in 2018, and assume that the other set cost the same. The total for these 4 items is $61.96.
 
Option - I also have a Champ Blue Ribbon series BRH-37 Fruit Growers Express freight reefer set for 2 different cars that I can add to the mix. It has the Great Northern goat medallion that Rich Meyers said that he would omit from later runs of this set. I paid $4.39 for it, and can add it to the package for that price.
 
I can ship via FedEx, UPS or USPS - your choice. I have plenty of free boxes and packing material, so all you would have to pay is the shipping charge. Once you pick your preferred shipper, I cab get a price quote that includes shipping.
 
I prefer payment by check or money order.
 
Let me know if you want to proceed with this transaction (and if you want the Champ decals) or have any thoughts about it. I have pulled the items awaiting your response.
 
Ken Montero
 
 
On 01/24/2021 4:03 PM O Fenton Wells <srrfan1401@...> wrote:
 
 
By the way if you have any undec kits sitting around I'd love to buy a couple
Fenton

On Sun, Jan 24, 2021 at 3:59 PM O Fenton Wells < srrfan1401@...> wrote:
Thanks Ken
Appreciate that

On Sun, Jan 24, 2021 at 3:17 PM Kenneth Montero < va661midlo@...> wrote:
Fenton,
 
Attached are the 7 pages of instructions that came with the kit. Due to my scanner limitations, each page is a separate PDF. Due to email limitations  on PDF's, I have to break up the transmission into 2e emails.
 
Ken Montero
 
On 01/24/2021 2:47 PM Kenneth Montero < va661midlo@...> wrote:
 
 
Fenton,
 
I will scan a set of the instructions from IM kit 42700 FGE Wood Refrigerator undecorated for you this afternoon.
 
Ken Montero
On 01/24/2021 2:15 PM O Fenton Wells < srrfan1401@...> wrote:
 
 
Actually I have some IM 1927 FGEX cars to disassemble then re build on the PRR R7 frame and one on the Tichy frame as FGEX rebuilt many of their cars.
I can no longer find the IM FGEX kits so I bought the RTR and I have to figure how to strip the paint and take them apart.  I will call IM to see if they have kit instructions.  FGEX also had the PFE R 40-23's so I found two of those Undec kits in inventory.  so many cars so little time
Fenton

On Sun, Jan 24, 2021 at 1:55 PM radiodial868 < radiodial57@...> wrote:
Thanks guys! 
Note to self, when attaching photos in .io groups, use attachment instead inserting as a picture as that makes a tiny pixilated photo. Trying again here.
Fenton, assuming it is the RCW kits you need to build, I'm dropping into the Facebook Resin Builders site a bunch of build pics for it along with some gotcha's to look out for. If the Red Caboose w/ Tichy underframe, send me a note.
RJ
Very nicely done RJ, I have a few of those to build as well.
fenton

They are looking good RJ.
Paul Doggett    England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 

 

 


 
--
Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
srrfan1401@...

 

 


 
--
Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
srrfan1401@...

 
--
Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
srrfan1401@...



--
Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
srrfan1401@...



--
Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
srrfan1401@...



--
Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
srrfan1401@...


Re: Reply Re: [RealSTMFC] WP R-30-13-9 - 1st transmission

O Fenton Wells
 

Regular mail is fine, and since you don't know me feel free to wait till the check clears before you ship.  I'm at
Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374-8956

On Sun, Jan 24, 2021 at 8:56 PM O Fenton Wells via groups.io <srrfan1401=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
Ken, that would be great and I'll get the check in the mail tomorrow for $61.96  Send me your snail mail address and I'll known where it should go
Thank you
Fenton

On Sun, Jan 24, 2021 at 8:51 PM Kenneth Montero <va661midlo@...> wrote:
Fenton,
 
You are in luck. I do have two kits #42700 FGE wood refrigerator undecorated.
 
Normally, I don't sell from my collection, but I will do so for you because of what you do for this hobby. I literally have many other projects that will get attention if I sell these to you.
 
Here is my situation:
 
I also bought different FGE/WFE decal sets  (D119 and D142) from Ted Culotta to use with these kits. I have no need for the decals if I sell the kits. Therefore, what I am offering is a package deal - both kits and both decal sets.
 
I would like to get my purchase price for each item. Each kit cost me $18.98 at Chesterfield Hobbies (price sticker on box). I paid Ted  $12.00 for decal set D142 in 2018, and assume that the other set cost the same. The total for these 4 items is $61.96.
 
Option - I also have a Champ Blue Ribbon series BRH-37 Fruit Growers Express freight reefer set for 2 different cars that I can add to the mix. It has the Great Northern goat medallion that Rich Meyers said that he would omit from later runs of this set. I paid $4.39 for it, and can add it to the package for that price.
 
I can ship via FedEx, UPS or USPS - your choice. I have plenty of free boxes and packing material, so all you would have to pay is the shipping charge. Once you pick your preferred shipper, I cab get a price quote that includes shipping.
 
I prefer payment by check or money order.
 
Let me know if you want to proceed with this transaction (and if you want the Champ decals) or have any thoughts about it. I have pulled the items awaiting your response.
 
Ken Montero
 
 
On 01/24/2021 4:03 PM O Fenton Wells <srrfan1401@...> wrote:
 
 
By the way if you have any undec kits sitting around I'd love to buy a couple
Fenton

On Sun, Jan 24, 2021 at 3:59 PM O Fenton Wells < srrfan1401@...> wrote:
Thanks Ken
Appreciate that

On Sun, Jan 24, 2021 at 3:17 PM Kenneth Montero < va661midlo@...> wrote:
Fenton,
 
Attached are the 7 pages of instructions that came with the kit. Due to my scanner limitations, each page is a separate PDF. Due to email limitations  on PDF's, I have to break up the transmission into 2e emails.
 
Ken Montero
 
On 01/24/2021 2:47 PM Kenneth Montero < va661midlo@...> wrote:
 
 
Fenton,
 
I will scan a set of the instructions from IM kit 42700 FGE Wood Refrigerator undecorated for you this afternoon.
 
Ken Montero
On 01/24/2021 2:15 PM O Fenton Wells < srrfan1401@...> wrote:
 
 
Actually I have some IM 1927 FGEX cars to disassemble then re build on the PRR R7 frame and one on the Tichy frame as FGEX rebuilt many of their cars.
I can no longer find the IM FGEX kits so I bought the RTR and I have to figure how to strip the paint and take them apart.  I will call IM to see if they have kit instructions.  FGEX also had the PFE R 40-23's so I found two of those Undec kits in inventory.  so many cars so little time
Fenton

On Sun, Jan 24, 2021 at 1:55 PM radiodial868 < radiodial57@...> wrote:
Thanks guys! 
Note to self, when attaching photos in .io groups, use attachment instead inserting as a picture as that makes a tiny pixilated photo. Trying again here.
Fenton, assuming it is the RCW kits you need to build, I'm dropping into the Facebook Resin Builders site a bunch of build pics for it along with some gotcha's to look out for. If the Red Caboose w/ Tichy underframe, send me a note.
RJ
Very nicely done RJ, I have a few of those to build as well.
fenton

They are looking good RJ.
Paul Doggett    England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 

 

 


 
--
Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
srrfan1401@...

 

 


 
--
Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
srrfan1401@...

 
--
Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
srrfan1401@...



--
Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
srrfan1401@...



--
Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
srrfan1401@...


Re: Reply Re: [RealSTMFC] WP R-30-13-9 - 1st transmission

Kenneth Montero
 

Dear Colleagues,
 
My error. It should have been sent off-line.
 
Ken Montero

On 01/24/2021 8:51 PM Kenneth Montero <va661midlo@...> wrote:
 
 
Fenton,
 
You are in luck. I do have two kits #42700 FGE wood refrigerator undecorated.
 
Normally, I don't sell from my collection, but I will do so for you because of what you do for this hobby. I literally have many other projects that will get attention if I sell these to you.
 
Here is my situation:
 
I also bought different FGE/WFE decal sets  (D119 and D142) from Ted Culotta to use with these kits. I have no need for the decals if I sell the kits. Therefore, what I am offering is a package deal - both kits and both decal sets.
 
I would like to get my purchase price for each item. Each kit cost me $18.98 at Chesterfield Hobbies (price sticker on box). I paid Ted  $12.00 for decal set D142 in 2018, and assume that the other set cost the same. The total for these 4 items is $61.96.
 
Option - I also have a Champ Blue Ribbon series BRH-37 Fruit Growers Express freight reefer set for 2 different cars that I can add to the mix. It has the Great Northern goat medallion that Rich Meyers said that he would omit from later runs of this set. I paid $4.39 for it, and can add it to the package for that price.
 
I can ship via FedEx, UPS or USPS - your choice. I have plenty of free boxes and packing material, so all you would have to pay is the shipping charge. Once you pick your preferred shipper, I cab get a price quote that includes shipping.
 
I prefer payment by check or money order.
 
Let me know if you want to proceed with this transaction (and if you want the Champ decals) or have any thoughts about it. I have pulled the items awaiting your response.
 
Ken Montero
 
 
On 01/24/2021 4:03 PM O Fenton Wells <srrfan1401@...> wrote:
 
 
By the way if you have any undec kits sitting around I'd love to buy a couple
Fenton

On Sun, Jan 24, 2021 at 3:59 PM O Fenton Wells < srrfan1401@...> wrote:
Thanks Ken
Appreciate that

On Sun, Jan 24, 2021 at 3:17 PM Kenneth Montero < va661midlo@...> wrote:
Fenton,
 
Attached are the 7 pages of instructions that came with the kit. Due to my scanner limitations, each page is a separate PDF. Due to email limitations  on PDF's, I have to break up the transmission into 2e emails.
 
Ken Montero
 
On 01/24/2021 2:47 PM Kenneth Montero < va661midlo@...> wrote:
 
 
Fenton,
 
I will scan a set of the instructions from IM kit 42700 FGE Wood Refrigerator undecorated for you this afternoon.
 
Ken Montero
On 01/24/2021 2:15 PM O Fenton Wells < srrfan1401@...> wrote:
 
 
Actually I have some IM 1927 FGEX cars to disassemble then re build on the PRR R7 frame and one on the Tichy frame as FGEX rebuilt many of their cars.
I can no longer find the IM FGEX kits so I bought the RTR and I have to figure how to strip the paint and take them apart.  I will call IM to see if they have kit instructions.  FGEX also had the PFE R 40-23's so I found two of those Undec kits in inventory.  so many cars so little time
Fenton

On Sun, Jan 24, 2021 at 1:55 PM radiodial868 < radiodial57@...> wrote:
Thanks guys! 
Note to self, when attaching photos in .io groups, use attachment instead inserting as a picture as that makes a tiny pixilated photo. Trying again here.
Fenton, assuming it is the RCW kits you need to build, I'm dropping into the Facebook Resin Builders site a bunch of build pics for it along with some gotcha's to look out for. If the Red Caboose w/ Tichy underframe, send me a note.
RJ
Very nicely done RJ, I have a few of those to build as well.
fenton

They are looking good RJ.
Paul Doggett    England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 

 

 


 
--
Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
srrfan1401@...

 

 


 
--
Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
srrfan1401@...

 
--
Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
srrfan1401@...


Re: Reply Re: [RealSTMFC] WP R-30-13-9 - 1st transmission

O Fenton Wells
 

Ken, that would be great and I'll get the check in the mail tomorrow for $61.96  Send me your snail mail address and I'll known where it should go
Thank you
Fenton

On Sun, Jan 24, 2021 at 8:51 PM Kenneth Montero <va661midlo@...> wrote:
Fenton,
 
You are in luck. I do have two kits #42700 FGE wood refrigerator undecorated.
 
Normally, I don't sell from my collection, but I will do so for you because of what you do for this hobby. I literally have many other projects that will get attention if I sell these to you.
 
Here is my situation:
 
I also bought different FGE/WFE decal sets  (D119 and D142) from Ted Culotta to use with these kits. I have no need for the decals if I sell the kits. Therefore, what I am offering is a package deal - both kits and both decal sets.
 
I would like to get my purchase price for each item. Each kit cost me $18.98 at Chesterfield Hobbies (price sticker on box). I paid Ted  $12.00 for decal set D142 in 2018, and assume that the other set cost the same. The total for these 4 items is $61.96.
 
Option - I also have a Champ Blue Ribbon series BRH-37 Fruit Growers Express freight reefer set for 2 different cars that I can add to the mix. It has the Great Northern goat medallion that Rich Meyers said that he would omit from later runs of this set. I paid $4.39 for it, and can add it to the package for that price.
 
I can ship via FedEx, UPS or USPS - your choice. I have plenty of free boxes and packing material, so all you would have to pay is the shipping charge. Once you pick your preferred shipper, I cab get a price quote that includes shipping.
 
I prefer payment by check or money order.
 
Let me know if you want to proceed with this transaction (and if you want the Champ decals) or have any thoughts about it. I have pulled the items awaiting your response.
 
Ken Montero
 
 
On 01/24/2021 4:03 PM O Fenton Wells <srrfan1401@...> wrote:
 
 
By the way if you have any undec kits sitting around I'd love to buy a couple
Fenton

On Sun, Jan 24, 2021 at 3:59 PM O Fenton Wells < srrfan1401@...> wrote:
Thanks Ken
Appreciate that

On Sun, Jan 24, 2021 at 3:17 PM Kenneth Montero < va661midlo@...> wrote:
Fenton,
 
Attached are the 7 pages of instructions that came with the kit. Due to my scanner limitations, each page is a separate PDF. Due to email limitations  on PDF's, I have to break up the transmission into 2e emails.
 
Ken Montero
 
On 01/24/2021 2:47 PM Kenneth Montero < va661midlo@...> wrote:
 
 
Fenton,
 
I will scan a set of the instructions from IM kit 42700 FGE Wood Refrigerator undecorated for you this afternoon.
 
Ken Montero
On 01/24/2021 2:15 PM O Fenton Wells < srrfan1401@...> wrote:
 
 
Actually I have some IM 1927 FGEX cars to disassemble then re build on the PRR R7 frame and one on the Tichy frame as FGEX rebuilt many of their cars.
I can no longer find the IM FGEX kits so I bought the RTR and I have to figure how to strip the paint and take them apart.  I will call IM to see if they have kit instructions.  FGEX also had the PFE R 40-23's so I found two of those Undec kits in inventory.  so many cars so little time
Fenton

On Sun, Jan 24, 2021 at 1:55 PM radiodial868 < radiodial57@...> wrote:
Thanks guys! 
Note to self, when attaching photos in .io groups, use attachment instead inserting as a picture as that makes a tiny pixilated photo. Trying again here.
Fenton, assuming it is the RCW kits you need to build, I'm dropping into the Facebook Resin Builders site a bunch of build pics for it along with some gotcha's to look out for. If the Red Caboose w/ Tichy underframe, send me a note.
RJ
Very nicely done RJ, I have a few of those to build as well.
fenton

They are looking good RJ.
Paul Doggett    England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 

 

 


 
--
Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
srrfan1401@...

 

 


 
--
Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
srrfan1401@...

 
--
Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
srrfan1401@...



--
Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
srrfan1401@...


Reply Re: [RealSTMFC] WP R-30-13-9 - 1st transmission

Kenneth Montero
 

Fenton,
 
You are in luck. I do have two kits #42700 FGE wood refrigerator undecorated.
 
Normally, I don't sell from my collection, but I will do so for you because of what you do for this hobby. I literally have many other projects that will get attention if I sell these to you.
 
Here is my situation:
 
I also bought different FGE/WFE decal sets  (D119 and D142) from Ted Culotta to use with these kits. I have no need for the decals if I sell the kits. Therefore, what I am offering is a package deal - both kits and both decal sets.
 
I would like to get my purchase price for each item. Each kit cost me $18.98 at Chesterfield Hobbies (price sticker on box). I paid Ted  $12.00 for decal set D142 in 2018, and assume that the other set cost the same. The total for these 4 items is $61.96.
 
Option - I also have a Champ Blue Ribbon series BRH-37 Fruit Growers Express freight reefer set for 2 different cars that I can add to the mix. It has the Great Northern goat medallion that Rich Meyers said that he would omit from later runs of this set. I paid $4.39 for it, and can add it to the package for that price.
 
I can ship via FedEx, UPS or USPS - your choice. I have plenty of free boxes and packing material, so all you would have to pay is the shipping charge. Once you pick your preferred shipper, I cab get a price quote that includes shipping.
 
I prefer payment by check or money order.
 
Let me know if you want to proceed with this transaction (and if you want the Champ decals) or have any thoughts about it. I have pulled the items awaiting your response.
 
Ken Montero
 
 

On 01/24/2021 4:03 PM O Fenton Wells <srrfan1401@...> wrote:
 
 
By the way if you have any undec kits sitting around I'd love to buy a couple
Fenton

On Sun, Jan 24, 2021 at 3:59 PM O Fenton Wells < srrfan1401@...> wrote:
Thanks Ken
Appreciate that

On Sun, Jan 24, 2021 at 3:17 PM Kenneth Montero < va661midlo@...> wrote:
Fenton,
 
Attached are the 7 pages of instructions that came with the kit. Due to my scanner limitations, each page is a separate PDF. Due to email limitations  on PDF's, I have to break up the transmission into 2e emails.
 
Ken Montero
 
On 01/24/2021 2:47 PM Kenneth Montero < va661midlo@...> wrote:
 
 
Fenton,
 
I will scan a set of the instructions from IM kit 42700 FGE Wood Refrigerator undecorated for you this afternoon.
 
Ken Montero
On 01/24/2021 2:15 PM O Fenton Wells < srrfan1401@...> wrote:
 
 
Actually I have some IM 1927 FGEX cars to disassemble then re build on the PRR R7 frame and one on the Tichy frame as FGEX rebuilt many of their cars.
I can no longer find the IM FGEX kits so I bought the RTR and I have to figure how to strip the paint and take them apart.  I will call IM to see if they have kit instructions.  FGEX also had the PFE R 40-23's so I found two of those Undec kits in inventory.  so many cars so little time
Fenton

On Sun, Jan 24, 2021 at 1:55 PM radiodial868 < radiodial57@...> wrote:
Thanks guys! 
Note to self, when attaching photos in .io groups, use attachment instead inserting as a picture as that makes a tiny pixilated photo. Trying again here.
Fenton, assuming it is the RCW kits you need to build, I'm dropping into the Facebook Resin Builders site a bunch of build pics for it along with some gotcha's to look out for. If the Red Caboose w/ Tichy underframe, send me a note.
RJ
Very nicely done RJ, I have a few of those to build as well.
fenton

They are looking good RJ.
Paul Doggett    England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 

 

 


 
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Re: Who manufactured this car?

Tony Thompson
 

The subject car appears to be a precursor of the Ulrich car with the cast metal sides.  Ulrich was certainly heavily into die casting in the late fifties.  I wonder if he was selling non-die cast kits earlier.  Like this one.

   Yes, earlier Ulrich kits varied in a number of ways. I have an early Ulrich twin hopper with wood parts -- later those were gone. And some early brass parts were later replaced with die-cast.
     On the topic of this box car, as a novice modeler in the mid-1950s, I was given an unfinished kit of this car, ALL die-cast parts. I still have it, still not completed because of the botched aspects of what was done first. I've thought of posing it on the layout as a car under repair.

Tony Thompson




Re: Who manufactured this car?

Douglas Harding
 

HO Seeker publishes catalogs. The date cited may just be the date of the catalog, not the actual debut of the model.

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kenneth Montero
Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2021 1:17 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Who manufactured this car?

 

Mike,

 

You most likely are correct regarding the first date of production. I assumed that the HO Seeker info was the first date of production - and we all know the derivation of the word "assume".

 

Ken Montero

On 01/24/2021 11:13 AM Schleigh Mike via groups.io <mike_schleigh@...> wrote:

 

 

 

Not to pick too many points, Ken & Group, but----

 

I believe this Ulrich 'outside-braced' (sic?) boxcar kit first appeared in late 1940s Model Railroader advertising.  I have not looked for it in my collection but it was out there long before 1960.  I believe the first I purchased was in 1958.  Two of these I used to make my first WAG box car models.  See attached.

 

Regards from cold Grove City in western Penna.  ----  Mike Schleigh

 

On Saturday, January 23, 2021, 10:09:06 PM EST, Kenneth Montero <va661midlo@...> wrote:

 

 

Chuck,

 

I believe that is an Ulrich model that first appeared in 1960. See below from  from HO Seeker.com

 

Ken Montero

On 01/23/2021 4:25 PM Chuck Cover <chuck.cover@...> wrote:

 

 

Hi,

Looking for some help identifying the manufacturer of this model.  The model has wood sides and ends, has white metal bolsters, and has brass pieces that act as roof cross braces (not sure what to call them) and brass z-braces for vertical and diagonal side supports.  I purchased this model many years ago and it has been operating on my layout.  I would like to learn something about it.  Thanks

Chuck Cover
Santa Fe, NM

 


is this a top chord reinforcement

David
 

Top chord reinforcements weren't intended to resist vertical sagging so much as to keep the sides from bowing in and out sideways.

David Thompson


Re: Who manufactured this car?

spsalso
 

The subject car appears to be a precursor of the Ulrich car with the cast metal sides.  Ulrich was certainly heavily into die casting in the late fifties.  I wonder if he was selling non-die cast kits earlier.  Like this one.

The "late" stock car (as seen in the sample catalog page) used the same cast side structure as the box car.

Unfortunately, Ulrich used low quality metals, and the models get zinc pest a lot more often than they should.

I sure loved their triple hopper and GS gon, back in the day.


Ed

Edward Sutorik


Re: WP R-30-13-9

O Fenton Wells
 

Thanks Andy Appreciate that


On Sun, Jan 24, 2021 at 2:41 PM Andy Cich <ajc5150@...> wrote:

FGEX kit instructions here:

https://www.intermountain-railway.com/customerservice/instructions/HO%20FGE%20WOOD%20REFRIGERATOR%20-%20Kit.pdf

 

All Intermountain kit instructions here:

https://www.intermountain-railway.com/customerservice/cshoinstructions.html

 

Andy Cich

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of O Fenton Wells
Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2021 1:15 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] WP R-30-13-9

 

I will call IM to see if they have kit instructions



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Re: WP R-30-13-9 - 1st trawnsmission

O Fenton Wells
 

By the way if you have any undec kits sitting around I'd love to buy a couple
Fenton

On Sun, Jan 24, 2021 at 3:59 PM O Fenton Wells <srrfan1401@...> wrote:
Thanks Ken
Appreciate that

On Sun, Jan 24, 2021 at 3:17 PM Kenneth Montero <va661midlo@...> wrote:
Fenton,
 
Attached are the 7 pages of instructions that came with the kit. Due to my scanner limitations, each page is a separate PDF. Due to email limitations  on PDF's, I have to break up the transmission into 2e emails.
 
Ken Montero
 
On 01/24/2021 2:47 PM Kenneth Montero <va661midlo@...> wrote:
 
 
Fenton,
 
I will scan a set of the instructions from IM kit 42700 FGE Wood Refrigerator undecorated for you this afternoon.
 
Ken Montero
On 01/24/2021 2:15 PM O Fenton Wells <srrfan1401@...> wrote:
 
 
Actually I have some IM 1927 FGEX cars to disassemble then re build on the PRR R7 frame and one on the Tichy frame as FGEX rebuilt many of their cars.
I can no longer find the IM FGEX kits so I bought the RTR and I have to figure how to strip the paint and take them apart.  I will call IM to see if they have kit instructions.  FGEX also had the PFE R 40-23's so I found two of those Undec kits in inventory.  so many cars so little time
Fenton

On Sun, Jan 24, 2021 at 1:55 PM radiodial868 < radiodial57@...> wrote:
Thanks guys! 
Note to self, when attaching photos in .io groups, use attachment instead inserting as a picture as that makes a tiny pixilated photo. Trying again here.
Fenton, assuming it is the RCW kits you need to build, I'm dropping into the Facebook Resin Builders site a bunch of build pics for it along with some gotcha's to look out for. If the Red Caboose w/ Tichy underframe, send me a note.
RJ
Very nicely done RJ, I have a few of those to build as well.
fenton

They are looking good RJ.
Paul Doggett    England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 

 

 


 
--
Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
srrfan1401@...



--
Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
srrfan1401@...


--
Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
srrfan1401@...


Re: WP R-30-13-9 - 1st trawnsmission

O Fenton Wells
 

Thanks Ken
Appreciate that

On Sun, Jan 24, 2021 at 3:17 PM Kenneth Montero <va661midlo@...> wrote:
Fenton,
 
Attached are the 7 pages of instructions that came with the kit. Due to my scanner limitations, each page is a separate PDF. Due to email limitations  on PDF's, I have to break up the transmission into 2e emails.
 
Ken Montero
 
On 01/24/2021 2:47 PM Kenneth Montero <va661midlo@...> wrote:
 
 
Fenton,
 
I will scan a set of the instructions from IM kit 42700 FGE Wood Refrigerator undecorated for you this afternoon.
 
Ken Montero
On 01/24/2021 2:15 PM O Fenton Wells <srrfan1401@...> wrote:
 
 
Actually I have some IM 1927 FGEX cars to disassemble then re build on the PRR R7 frame and one on the Tichy frame as FGEX rebuilt many of their cars.
I can no longer find the IM FGEX kits so I bought the RTR and I have to figure how to strip the paint and take them apart.  I will call IM to see if they have kit instructions.  FGEX also had the PFE R 40-23's so I found two of those Undec kits in inventory.  so many cars so little time
Fenton

On Sun, Jan 24, 2021 at 1:55 PM radiodial868 < radiodial57@...> wrote:
Thanks guys! 
Note to self, when attaching photos in .io groups, use attachment instead inserting as a picture as that makes a tiny pixilated photo. Trying again here.
Fenton, assuming it is the RCW kits you need to build, I'm dropping into the Facebook Resin Builders site a bunch of build pics for it along with some gotcha's to look out for. If the Red Caboose w/ Tichy underframe, send me a note.
RJ
Very nicely done RJ, I have a few of those to build as well.
fenton

They are looking good RJ.
Paul Doggett    England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 

 

 


 
--
Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
srrfan1401@...



--
Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
srrfan1401@...


Re: is this a top chord reinforcement

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Yes, reinforcement, and I’d venture that the car’s already got a sag in it, and the reinforcement is intended to not let that get worse!

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2021 5:39 PM
To: STMFC <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [RealSTMFC] is this a top chord reinforcement

 

Hi List Members,

 

The link below shows a RDG gondola. Along the top chord, I see an area that has been altered - is this a top chord reinforcement, or is this damage that has not yet been repaired?

 

 

 

Claus Schlund

 


Re: Jim Kinkaid's Freight Car Photos Collection

akerboomk
 

Note for downloads from the Kinkaid collection:
If you click on a picture in the "gallery" view, it appears that Smugmug creates a "reduced resolution" JPG to display
If you then right-click -> Save Image As, you get a "gibberish" filename at reduced resolution
For one file I did, it was 65KB (vs. 431KB for the actual file)
You must click on the "download" button (filename should be "reasonable"!)
Either the one Steve indicated, or (in the Gallery view) if you hover over an image, there is a "download" icon in the lower right corner (see attached? image)
--
Ken Akerboom


Re: WP R-30-13-9

Kenneth Montero
 

Fenton,
 
Second transmission.
 
Ken Montero

On 01/24/2021 2:47 PM Kenneth Montero <va661midlo@...> wrote:
 
 
Fenton,
 
I will scan a set of the instructions from IM kit 42700 FGE Wood Refrigerator undecorated for you this afternoon.
 
Ken Montero
On 01/24/2021 2:15 PM O Fenton Wells <srrfan1401@...> wrote:
 
 
Actually I have some IM 1927 FGEX cars to disassemble then re build on the PRR R7 frame and one on the Tichy frame as FGEX rebuilt many of their cars.
I can no longer find the IM FGEX kits so I bought the RTR and I have to figure how to strip the paint and take them apart.  I will call IM to see if they have kit instructions.  FGEX also had the PFE R 40-23's so I found two of those Undec kits in inventory.  so many cars so little time
Fenton

On Sun, Jan 24, 2021 at 1:55 PM radiodial868 < radiodial57@...> wrote:
Thanks guys! 
Note to self, when attaching photos in .io groups, use attachment instead inserting as a picture as that makes a tiny pixilated photo. Trying again here.
Fenton, assuming it is the RCW kits you need to build, I'm dropping into the Facebook Resin Builders site a bunch of build pics for it along with some gotcha's to look out for. If the Red Caboose w/ Tichy underframe, send me a note.
RJ
Very nicely done RJ, I have a few of those to build as well.
fenton

They are looking good RJ.
Paul Doggett    England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 

 

 


 
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Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
srrfan1401@...

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