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Re: Van Iderstine Tank Cars

Schuyler Larrabee
 


Schuyler Larrabee wrote:
The joints (and the plates) are radial, as opposed to being
longitudinal. They go "around" the car,
and not "along" the car. Perfectly sensible to me.
Ah yes, Schuyler, but they don't go "along a radius" (by analogy
to your "along the car"), but are perpendicular to a radius. "Around"
happens to be exactly what "circumferential" means.

Tony Thompson Editor
Mr Editor, I didn't say they go "along a radius," now did I? I said they go "around" the car. And
since last night, I realized that the rivets, if you look at them in a section through the car, are
in a radial array.

SGL


Re: Van Iderstine Tank Cars

toddsyr <toddsyr@...>
 

Care to share the information? I've been wondering too. Thanks!

Todd K. Stearns

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Subject: [STMFC] Re: Van Iderstine Tank Cars


Thanks guys, I figured it out between the time I made the post and now.
I've seen the display at CCB.
Clark Propst





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Richard Hendrickson
 

Bill, please contact me off-list; I need your snail mail address.

Richard Hendrickson


Virginian hopper notes

bongiovanni12001
 

Just uploaded a spreadsheet and a writeup on Virginian hoppers. When I
did this last fall for the NWHS and Virginian groups I said I'd post a
copy on this list, but there was no room. Now there is. A stack of
people from the Virginian and N&W lists contributed/added/supplemented,
and then Ben Hom redid it and made it much better. Hope it's useful.


Frank Bongiovanni


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Re: anthracite car travel

Miller, Andrew S. <asmiller@...>
 

They could be in transit to a scrap dealer for disposal ;-)
We need to get coal loads to put more CW hoppers in service.

regards,

Andy Miller

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Malcolm Laughlin
Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 11:45 AM
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Subject: [STMFC] Re: anthracite car travel

(1957)," 23,000 tons of PA Anthracite was terminated in WV and 78,000
tons were terminated in VA in 19850.
Tim Gilbert
=========

Thanks Tim. That indicates about two carloads a weekday in WV and
seven or so in VA. Makes the two dozen D&H, RDG, DLW and ERIE cars
that we have on the Chesapeake System seem rather excessive.


Malcolm Laughlin, Editor 617-489-4383
New England Rail Shipper Directories
19 Holden Road, Belmont, MA 02478

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Re: Van Iderstine Tank Cars

rockroll50401 <cepropst@...>
 

Thanks guys, I figured it out between the time I made the post and now.
I've seen the display at CCB.
Clark Propst


Re: Van Iderstine Tank Cars

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Feb 28, 2007, at 7:37 AM, rockroll50401 wrote:

I have a much simpler question. Who is SC&F?
Clark Propst
Southern Car & Foundry, makers of the resin HO scale Harriman baggage car kits.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: anthracite car travel

Malcolm Laughlin <mlaughlinnyc@...>
 

(1957)," 23,000 tons of PA Anthracite was terminated in WV and 78,000
tons were terminated in VA in 19850.
Tim Gilbert
=========

Thanks Tim. That indicates about two carloads a weekday in WV and seven or so in VA. Makes the two dozen D&H, RDG, DLW and ERIE cars that we have on the Chesapeake System seem rather excessive.


Malcolm Laughlin, Editor 617-489-4383
New England Rail Shipper Directories
19 Holden Road, Belmont, MA 02478


Re: Car travel - example - BOX CAR SELECTION

Malcolm Laughlin <mlaughlinnyc@...>
 

There was another step in the chain beyond just switching empty box cars into a track for distribution. It was common, especially at yards serving a lot of box car loading industry, for the cars to be inspected in the receiving yard or switched to a cleaning track and inspected there. Cars would be classified A, B, C or X (NYC 60's practice). In some yards a class card was tacked to the side of the car. Where there were enough cars to justify it cars might be classified by class. Alternatively they would be switched out of the empty track, or the whole empty track might be switched as locals and industry jobs were being made up. this is one of those cases where there is no one right way. The right way for any yard is the method that gets the daily switching work done most efficiently in that yard.


Malcolm Laughlin, Editor 617-489-4383
New England Rail Shipper Directories
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Re: Van Iderstine Tank Cars

Mike Fortney
 

Southern Car & Foundry?

http://southerncarandfoundry.com/

Mike Fortney

--- In STMFC@..., "rockroll50401" <cepropst@...> wrote:

I have a much simpler question. Who is SC&F?
Clark Propst


Re: Van Iderstine Tank Cars

rockroll50401 <cepropst@...>
 

I have a much simpler question. Who is SC&F?
Clark Propst


Re: GARX 50' RB Insulated Box Cars Leased by NKP and IC

Ed Hawkins
 

On Feb 27, 2007, at 9:46 PM, Brian J Carlson wrote:

A photo of GARX 51421 leased to the NKP appeared in the Spring 2002
Issue of
the NKPHTS magazine. According to the information there were 25 cars.
The
actual number series is unknown. I have a friend looking at older NKP
annual
reports from 1955 to see if these cars are mentioned.

Sincerely,

Brian J. Carlson P.E.
Brian,
Thanks for this piece of information. Based on the general car
numbering methods used by General American, and based on the car
numbers documented by photographs, my best guess at this point is the
number series was 51400-51424. However, it's best that this is
substantiated with some source data.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


Re: Van Iderstine Tank Cars

Kurt Laughlin <fleeta@...>
 

----- Original Message -----
From: Schuyler Larrabee

The joints (and the plates) are radial, as opposed to being longitudinal. They go "around" the car,
and not "along" the car. Perfecly sensible to me.

----- Original Message -----

If you look at a bicycle wheel, the spokes are radial, the rim is circumferental. Having been inculcated by Tony's colleages at CMU to always use a r-z-theta coordinate system (*) when dealing with cylinders, you can see why it struck me as odd. :-)

KL

(*) The seams on a typical riveted tank car have a constant r, a varying z, and a constant theta. On these cars the seams have a constant r, a constant z, and a varying theta.


Re: Van Iderstine Tank Cars

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Schuyler Larrabee wrote:
The joints (and the plates) are radial, as opposed to being longitudinal. They go "around" the car,
and not "along" the car. Perfecly sensible to me.
Ah yes, Schuyler, but they don't go "along a radius" (by analogy to your "along the car"), but are perpendicular to a radius. "Around" happens to be exactly what "circumferential" means.

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Re: Van Iderstine Tank Cars

Schuyler Larrabee
 

From: Richard Hendrickson

Both of the cars shown in the photos were 8,000 gal.
Standard Tank Car Co. radial course tank cars, . . .

----- Original Message -----

Why are they called "radial course" when the joints were
circumferential?

KL
The joints (and the plates) are radial, as opposed to being longitudinal. They go "around" the car,
and not "along" the car. Perfecly sensible to me.

SGL


Re: GARX 50' RB Insulated Box Cars Leased by NKP and IC

Brian J Carlson <brian@...>
 

A photo of GARX 51421 leased to the NKP appeared in the Spring 2002 Issue of
the NKPHTS magazine. According to the information there were 25 cars. The
actual number series is unknown. I have a friend looking at older NKP annual
reports from 1955 to see if these cars are mentioned.

Sincerely,

Brian J. Carlson P.E.
NKPHTS Membership # 2972
NKPHTS Special Projects Director
Nickel Plate Road Historical & Technical Society
www.nkphts.org

NKPHTS, Inc.
P.O. Box 381
New Haven, IN 46774-0381

----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 5:17 PM
Subject: [STMFC] GARX 50' RB Insulated Box Cars Leased by NKP and IC


STMFC,
Does anyone have information on the quantity and inclusive car number
series of GARX 50' insulated box cars built by General American in 1955
and 1957 and leased to Illinois Central and Nickel Plate? I have spent
considerable time searching for this information, but have not been
able to find answers.

For the cars leased to NKP, I have a builder's photo of 51412 (built
3-55) and have seen 51416 published in Railmodel Journal. For the cars
leased to IC, I have a builders' photo of GARX 51659 (built 4-57) and
have seen a slide taken by Dick Kuelbs of GARX 51655.

Any assistance on the respective quantities and GARX car number series
of these cars will be greatly appreciated. It will be used in the
forthcoming Railway Prototype Cyclopedia Volume 15 (soon to go to the
printer).
Regards,
Ed Hawkins





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Re: Van Iderstine Tank Cars

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Kurt Laughlin wrote:
The rivets' axes are along a true radius, so one could argue that is the
source of the term, but then again, so are the rivets in a longitudinal seam
tank (if that's what they are called) . . .

In a similar vein, the Hutchins Radial Roof should probably have been called
a radiused or semicircular roof. But what would be the fun in that?
Just where the "radial" term came into use for this particular description, I don't know, but you do see it in early engineering literature (say, 100 years ago), for example where an oil tank for a factory is described as "radial" when it is cylindrical in shape (as opposed, I guess, to "rectangular"). Moreover, the makers of those roofs called them "radial roofs," so I suppose we should too. One example is the Murphy radial roof in the 1928 Cyc.

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Re: Lackawanna Refrigerator

Roger Hinman <rhinman@...>
 

Sorry on this one, I know no more than what's been shared

Roger Hinman

On Feb 27, 2007, at 12:19 AM, MDelvec952@... wrote:


In a message dated 2/26/2007 8:44:25 PM Eastern Standard Time,
jamesh@... writes:

If you look at the Lackawanna
Line lettering it looks lighter that the other lettering also compare
it to the black ladder. I also have a photo from Bob's Photo taken at
the Worlds Fair that shows this clear [to me] I would guess orange or
light green. In what I have learned about this car I think the sides
were white untill MDT came on the scene when they became MDT
orange.'The Postwar Freight Car Fleet' has a latter photo that looks
like orange sides. James Hickey

I've been waiting to see what the responses to this would be, but
my own
research came up with orange on the reefer at the '39 World's Fair.
The stripe
was green, the lettering black, the ends boxcar red. The LRX was an
MDT
reporting mark, so using MDT orange and green would be a good
start. Perhaps
Roger Hinman has more concrete data, and if so I'd love to see it.
Later in life
some of these did see yellow. One of the PRR Glory videotapes shows
a string
of these on the PRR in various colors, including white.

Intermountain offered the PFE reefers in the '39 Fair paint and
lettering
about 5 years ago or more. The overall image was realistic, but my
eyes still
saw a PFE car rather than a big ACF reefer. I offered one of the
four numbers
on ebay about two months ago and it sold for more than $150. I felt so
guilty taking the money that I sent him two.

Mike Del Vecchio
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