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Re: Freight car details/parts

Miller, Andrew S. <asmiller@...>
 

Fred,

My experience says to avoid plastic grabs and stirrups. They will only
break off in use. I use A-Line metal stirrups, and Tichy metal side
grabs (I keep both straight and drop style) and running board corner
grabs.


regards,

Andy Miller

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of
Fred Mullins
Sent: Friday, November 24, 2006 1:16 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Freight car details/parts

Folks,
I'm hoping to clean up and area and start to build detailed frt cats
for my 1955-62 era layout. Could someone tell me what detail parts I
should have in stock such as grab irons, stirrups and other parts I
should have on hand to start off with? Is there certain parts I show
get vs others? If there is anything others have learned over the years
of frt car building that they can pass on? I want to build both resin
kits and other detail kits such as intermountain, red caboose and
others along these lines.
I welcome all comments and thanks in advance,
Fred Mullins
modeling the Atlantic & Danville Railway!





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Re: Soo Express Refrigerator 4266

Russ Strodtz <sheridan@...>
 

Charlie,

While the CB&Q did not seem interested in express reefers they
did use a lot of REX equipment. The Railway Express Agency was
also one of the duties, (and benefits), of many of the Suburban
Agent's jobs.

Can recall off-peak dinkies setting out REX cars at Western Springs.

La Grange was sort of strange. The REA freight house was just West
of Brainard Ave. but the Stone Ave. Agent was not an REA Agent.
That job went to the Agent at La Grange Road and I heard at the time
there was a rather significant salary bonus connected with those duties.

Russ

----- Original Message -----
From: Charlie Vlk
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Friday, 24 November, 2006 11:37
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Soo Express Refrigerator 4266


On the subject of REA Express Reefers....
I am struck by the absence of some major roads having REA Express Reefers.....
For example, the CB&Q.
Other roads operating in similar territory had them... Rock Island, Soo and Milwaukee Road for example....
What operating patterns, equipment utilization, or other factors caused this?
Likewise, the Eastern roads seem to be light in REA equipment, even home road versions.
Anyone have any insight into this??
Charlie Vlk






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Re: Soo Express Refrigerator 4266

Russ Strodtz <sheridan@...>
 

Can think of a couple obvious places that the SOO could profitably
utilize express reefers. They would be Duluth and Vancouver BC.
In both cases it would be loading fish.

I know there was fish loading done in Duluth and I think it would be reasonable to assume that the same business would be available in Vancouver BC. Can not see any reason why the CP would not handle
these cars as far East as Portal where they could go back to the
SOO Line.

As to whether they would move in passenger or freight trains I guess
that would depend on how much the Customer wanted to pay and what the tariff rate difference was.

After the REX cars went to the San Luis Central I can recall some
large movements of export food products in those cars via Duluth.
Since this was not even refrigerated service there must be something
involved with the docks that gave these cars some appeal.

Russ

----- Original Message -----
From: Rob Kirkham
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Friday, 24 November, 2006 07:59
Subject: [STMFC] Soo Express Refrigerator 4266


OK - thanks Dennis. For obvious reasons, I avoided mentioning the one
predictable way in which this car might have travelled to Vancouver - in a
passenger train. But I have no more evidence for that than via a GNR
freight....

For a MR, I suppose it doesn't matter a whole lot. I'll just pick one 8>)


Rob Kirkham


Freight car details/parts

Fred Mullins
 

Folks,
I'm hoping to clean up and area and start to build detailed frt cats
for my 1955-62 era layout. Could someone tell me what detail parts I
should have in stock such as grab irons, stirrups and other parts I
should have on hand to start off with? Is there certain parts I show
get vs others? If there is anything others have learned over the years
of frt car building that they can pass on? I want to build both resin
kits and other detail kits such as intermountain, red caboose and
others along these lines.
I welcome all comments and thanks in advance,
Fred Mullins
modeling the Atlantic & Danville Railway!


Re: Soo Express Refrigerator 4266

Charlie Vlk
 

On the subject of REA Express Reefers....
I am struck by the absence of some major roads having REA Express Reefers.....
For example, the CB&Q.
Other roads operating in similar territory had them... Rock Island, Soo and Milwaukee Road for example....
What operating patterns, equipment utilization, or other factors caused this?
Likewise, the Eastern roads seem to be light in REA equipment, even home road versions.
Anyone have any insight into this??
Charlie Vlk


Soo Express Refrigerator 4266

Rob Kirkham <rdkirkham@...>
 

OK - thanks Dennis. For obvious reasons, I avoided mentioning the one predictable way in which this car might have travelled to Vancouver - in a passenger train. But I have no more evidence for that than via a GNR freight....

For a MR, I suppose it doesn't matter a whole lot. I'll just pick one 8>)


Rob Kirkham


Re: Soo Express Refrigerator 4266

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Dennis Storzek wrote:
I have always felt that one hundred express reefers was way too many cars for the Soo Line's own needs. Heck, that's half again as many cars as the entire rest of their passenger car fleet. Judging from the lack of photos of the cars in trains from the immediate post WWII era, they must have been hiding ninety of them somewhere, as the ten milk cars the Soo owned outright show up in photos just as often.
Interesting point. The Soo did not participate in the REA pool, to my knowledge, after WW II, so that is not where the express reefers were.

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Re: Soo Express Refrigerator 4266

Dennis Storzek <dstorzek@...>
 

--- In STMFC@..., "robert_kirkham" <rdkirkham@...> wrote:

Hey - that's great news Dennis! Thanks for the Walthers reference.
That's one I don't have to paint and letter....

I am curious about one thing. The photo is taken on GNR trackage or
GN/CPR interchange trackage on the Vancouver waterfront. Is there any
basis to guess at its routing - i.e. was it more likely the case that
the car was travelling GN all the way, or perhaps CPR and return via
GN? Were these cars in anything like captive service?

Rob Kirkham

Rob,

I have no information on assignments other than photographic evidence
of which trains they appeared in down on my portion of the Soo Line,
which, of course, doesn't relate to your modeling of Vancouver on the
CP at all.

I will toss out one thought, before Mike wakes up to the fact that we
are talking about a passenger car and embargos the discussion from
this list :-)

I have always felt that one hundred express reefers was way too many
cars for the Soo Line's own needs. Heck, that's half again as many
cars as the entire rest of their passenger car fleet. Judging from the
lack of photos of the cars in trains from the immediate post WWII era,
they must have been hiding ninety of them somewhere, as the ten milk
cars the Soo owned outright show up in photos just as often.

It occurs to me that there may have been some sort of Customs
regulation in effect at that time that made it advantageous for the
Canadian roads to have cars that were making runs into the US owned or
leased by their US subsidiaries. The Soo Line did not have the same
close integration with the CP as the GTW did with the CN, but the
roads did cooperate at the executive level, and certainly, if the CP
needed a US company to lease cars for their international service, the
Soo would have obliged. I've had a report elsewhere of a Soo Line car
in a photo taken on the B&M during this same period, which tends to
support this thesis, but I have neither the means nor the inclination
to research the matter further.

However, if the car shows up in a photo of Vancouver, it certainly
proves that one got to Vancouver, at least once in a while.

Dennis


Re: pre-war Carbon Black hopper info

Alan Gilchrist <rag1957@...>
 

Brian Leppert wrote:

Martin Lofton had a 7 page article on these Carbon Black hoppers in the May 1993 issue of Mainline Modeler.
Thanks for the info Brian.

Alan

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Re: Atlas Ore Cars

Russ Strodtz <sheridan@...>
 

Justin,

Will agree with the general concept that ore cars were not
commonly interchanged.

There were exceptions:

Winter all-rail operations. As to the B&LE the U.S.Steel roads
were always likely to pool equipment to meet the needs of their owners. If all-rail operations were necessary U.S.Steel would
provide equipment.

Sand & gravel operations that also had their own Railroad.
Omaha Lincoln & Beatrice is the obvious example.

Ore operations from the Cuyuna Range mixed NP and SOO cars as both
roads had access to the mines but pooled equipment.

On the other hand U.S.Steel's affiliated cement operations counted
on the carrier's to supply cars when they had to switch to all-rail.
Since the Illinois River only occasionally froze up to the extent
that it shut off barge traffic this was rather unrealistic. One of
the cures found for this problem was by the CB&Q/BN getting the
AT&SF involved in the move. With both 70ton car fleets utilized the
volume could be moved. In order for the AT&SF to profit from this
move there had to be a Galesburg IL interchange on a portion of the
traffic. The empties would usually get mixed up but that was not a
problem.

Russ

----- Original Message -----
From: Justin Kahn
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Wednesday, 22 November, 2006 10:19
Subject: [STMFC] RE: Atlas Ore Cars


From what I've heard over the years (and what I remember of what I've
heard), there WAS a prototype for all the older-run Atlas cars; the problem
was/is that most of them were very limited prototypes. My sole Atlas car
(somewhat re-detailed, as much as one can--sow's ears, etc) and my three or
four brass Max Gray ore cars will almost certainly end up in a sand and
gravel operation, as I don't believe such ore cars ended up in interchange
as a usual thing.
I shall be interested in the experts citing exceptions to my assumption.
Jace Kahn, General Manager
Ceres and Canisteo RR Co.


Re: pre-war Carbon Black hopper info

Brian Leppert <b.leppert@...>
 

Martin Lofton had a 7 page article on these Carbon Black hoppers in the May 1993 issue of Mainline Modeler.

Brian Leppert
Carson City, NV

----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan Gilchrist" <rag1957@...>
To: <STMFC@...>
Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 6:33 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] pre-war Carbon Black hopper info



Bruce Smith wrote:

In part inspired by Richard's Carbon Black hopper talk, I picked up one of
the Rail Shops Cabon Black Hopper kits at Naperville, along with their new
decals for Continental Carbon Company.
I was looking at one of these kits during the past weekend, and
would like to have a few, but I need some photos of them, anyone know
of any sources ?.

Alan


Re: pre-war Carbon Black hopper info

mopac1 <mopac1@...>
 

Eric Neubauer has a book covering Carbon Black Cars (Freight Cars Journal
Monograph #15 which diagrams for all the cars built with a number of photo
illustrations.

Check it out at http://www.enter.net/~eaneubauer/Catalog.pdf

Gene S.

From: Alan Gilchrist <rag1957@...>
Reply-To: STMFC@...
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] pre-war Carbon Black hopper info
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 21:33:39 -0500


Bruce Smith wrote:

In part inspired by Richard's Carbon Black hopper talk, I picked up one
of
the Rail Shops Cabon Black Hopper kits at Naperville, along with their
new
decals for Continental Carbon Company.
I was looking at one of these kits during the past weekend, and
would like to have a few, but I need some photos of them, anyone know
of any sources ?.

Alan


Re: Question about two Fowler Clone Boxcars in Red Wing, MN

rrhistorian
 

Hello all,

Has anybody heard an update on the status of these cars?

Many thanks,
Tom Cornillie

--- In STMFC@..., "rrhistorian" <rrhistorian@...> wrote:

Hello all,

Thanks again for the information on these cars. Apparantly they were
sold at the auction - please let me know if anybody here sees them on
the move or at their new location.

Many thanks,
Tom Cornillie


http://www-personal.umich.edu/~tcornill/Redwing_Boxcars/


Re: Soo Express Refrigerator 4266

robert_kirkham <rdkirkham@...>
 

Hey - that's great news Dennis! Thanks for the Walthers reference.
That's one I don't have to paint and letter....

I am curious about one thing. The photo is taken on GNR trackage or
GN/CPR interchange trackage on the Vancouver waterfront. Is there any
basis to guess at its routing - i.e. was it more likely the case that
the car was travelling GN all the way, or perhaps CPR and return via
GN? Were these cars in anything like captive service?

Rob Kirkham


Athearn ATSF 50' Reefer

Denny Anspach <danspach@...>
 

I recently purchased one of these fine models, and Wow! This model is certainly a number of light years from the Athearn reefers that at one time liberally peopled my own roster. In this regard, I will surely not hesitate to attribute many if not most of the accurate and fine detailing to Richard Hendrickson.

Trucks: The very sharp-looking National B-1 trucks with their metal wheels and plastic axle ends roll well enough as is (17-18 rolls on the Rolltester). A tested variety of Reboxx wheel sets of different axle lengths resulted in no significant rolling improvements.

The wheel sets have very little sideplay, and the axles measure 0.970". In this regard, if one wishes to routinely change to narrow semi scale 0.088" wheels (as I do), then he will have to restrict his choices to either the Reboxx 0.070" wheel sets, or the to the specific NWSL sets with the short European axles (providentially also 0.970") only. Any of the standard IM or Branchline narrow wheel sets will bring you only grief (axle lengths c. 1.012" and 1.018"respectively).

Couplers: Not good. The coupler heads droop down loosely from their boxes on the ends of too-long shanks. If looking terrible would not be enough, one of the plastic knuckle springs had already stopped working before the car was even removed from the box. Both couplers made the quick trip direct to the trash under the bench. Deciding not to replace the standard large coupler pockets, replacement drop-in scale sized short- shank Kadee #153s were found to be perfect physical and visual fits. Pending resolution of the current brake hose problems, I deferred my usual clipping-of-the-magnetic-glad-hands ritual.

The height of the coupler heads were dead-on correct to the MicroMark gauge without any adjustments whatsoever, as were the glad hand clearances

The car is currently on the paint track awaiting its appointment with the weathering crew.

Summary: Extremely handsome finely designed, finished, and decorated car model. I love it! Bring us more.

The sad instant throw-away couplers are very irritating if only because they are such an obvious contrast with the quality of the rest of the model. This is same type of manufacturer arrogance that also routinely gives us $50,000 automobiles delivered also routinely with only the very cheapest of OEM $10 tires! I do not understand it.

Denny


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Sacramento


Re: pre-war Carbon Black hopper info

charles slater
 

I think Richard Hendrickson has done an article for an upcoming issue of "Rail Model Journal" to be out in the near future.
Charlie Slater


From: Alan Gilchrist <rag1957@...>
Reply-To: STMFC@...
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] pre-war Carbon Black hopper info
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 21:33:39 -0500


Bruce Smith wrote:

In part inspired by Richard's Carbon Black hopper talk, I picked up one
of
the Rail Shops Cabon Black Hopper kits at Naperville, along with their
new
decals for Continental Carbon Company.
I was looking at one of these kits during the past weekend, and
would like to have a few, but I need some photos of them, anyone know
of any sources ?.

Alan
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Re: pre-war Carbon Black hopper info

Alan Gilchrist <rag1957@...>
 

Bruce Smith wrote:

In part inspired by Richard's Carbon Black hopper talk, I picked up one of
the Rail Shops Cabon Black Hopper kits at Naperville, along with their new
decals for Continental Carbon Company.
I was looking at one of these kits during the past weekend, and would like to have a few, but I need some photos of them, anyone know of any sources ?.

Alan
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Re: Atlas ore cars

Curt Fortenberry <arrphoto@...>
 

Hmm, east coast. I know it looks almost like a DMIR car of the late
steam era, but not quite. Thanks.

Curt Fortenberry


Yes, a series of cars built for B&LE. Unfortunately, not correct for
any of the upper Great Lakes ore roads.

Jack Mullen
Some of the B&LE cars were sold to the C&NW in later years. I shot a
slide of one of them in northern Wisconsin near uppper Michigan back in
1976. You could still make out the B&LE lettering under the new C&NW
lettering. Maybe someone else will have more informaton. I know this is
way past the steam era.

Stan Schwedler
Coronado Scale Models


Con-Cor "Watermelon Car"?

Edwin C. Kirstatter <Q1xaMacArthur1@...>
 

All,
I have one of those cars, mine is lettered F.E.C. 17021.
The car body measures 37 feet, The truck center is 25'-3".
They machined the center sill so that it no longer says
Austria, only the US is remaining. Maybe they do have the
molds here in the U.S.A.

I have a Kadee #5 couplers mounted using their pockets and
a .010" shim under the shanks. Also had to use .020" plastic
washers on each truck bolster made from an old credit card.
One coupler is still a tad low.

I also replaced their trucks with some old Athearn sprung
metal trucks. Good enough for me!

Since it is a "Watermelon Car" that is what I put in it with the
ventilated doors open. Found some green plastic molding pellets,
placed them on a bed of straw made from a scrub brush. Works
for me.

This model has a questionable ancestry, but it needs up grading
of the Brake wheel, Grabirons, Sill steps and total brake system.
Edwin C. Kirstatter


Complete HO DALMAN trucks w/semi-scale or Fat wheels

Andy Carlson
 

For those who have admired from afar the Tahoe Model Works Dalman 2 level HO trucks, now they can get them with factory packaging and choice of 2 styles of wheels.

TMW 101- "Plain" Dalmans W/ IM code 110 wheelsets ("FAT") $5.00 pair
TMW 102- Lateral Motion Dalmans w/ code 110 wheels $5.00 pair
TMW 201- "Plain" Dalmans W/ IM code 88 "semi-scale" wheels $5.00 pair
TMV 202- Lateral Motion Dalmans W/ code 88 wheels $5.00 pair

Also available are Dalman trucks less wheelsets
TMW 001 "Plain" Dalman trucks $2.50 pair
TMW 002 Lateral Motion Dalman trucks $2.50 pair

Prices do not include shipping, which will vary by weight. If interested, contact me at <midcentury@...> off-list, please. Thanks,
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

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