On Aug 1, 2006, at 10:09 PM, Jon Miller wrote:

The single medallion scheme was applied to new cars built in 2-47<

What is the build data of this car, earlier than '47?

The first cars were built in 1933, and they were built in growing numbers through the 1930s and early 1940s. By the end of 1941, almost 400 cars were in service, the major owner/lessors being Cabot, Columbian Carbon, United Carbon, and Continental Carbon. I understand that decal sets for other owners than Cabot will be along later.

Richard Hendrickson

Armand Premo wrote:
"Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't Steve Funaro release a Cabot
carbon black car some years ago?"

Yes.
http://fandckits.com/HOFreight/6310.html

Ted Culotta covered upgrading this kit in the March 2005 issue of
Railroad Model Craftsman.


Ben Hom

Correct me if I am wrong,but didn't Steve Funaro release a Cabot carbon
black car some years ago?Armand Premo

The single medallion scheme was applied to new cars built in 2-47<

What is the build data of this car, earlier than '47?

Jon Miller
AT&SF
For me time has stopped in 1941
Digitrax, Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI user
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS

New today. Volume is out of print. Don't know seller.

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======================

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On Aug 1, 2006, at 8:24 PM, Bruce Smith wrote:

On Tue, August 1, 2006 4:56 pm, dphobbies wrote:

Chris Zygmut doesn't seem to toot his horn, so I will. He dropped off
a bushel of his new Rail Shops Carbon Black covered hopper kits in HO
and they are stunning to say the least. They come in two different
schemes - Cabot early scheme with one centered medallion or the later
scheme with two medallions - one towards each end. They are kit #CB101
for late and CB102 for early.

Dates for each scheme?

The single medallion scheme was applied to new cars built in 2-47. How much earlier than that it was used, I don't know; the early '30s Cabot P/L was a much more elaborate billboard scheme. The two-medallion scheme was applied to new cars built in 8-49 and apparently continued in use through the 1950s.

Richard Hendrickson

On Tue, August 1, 2006 4:56 pm, dphobbies wrote:

Chris Zygmut doesn't seem to toot his horn, so I will. He dropped off
a bushel of his new Rail Shops Carbon Black covered hopper kits in HO
and they are stunning to say the least. They come in two different
schemes - Cabot early scheme with one centered medallion or the later
scheme with two medallions - one towards each end. They are kit #CB101
for late and CB102 for early.

Dates for each scheme?

Regards
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL

As an O scaler who got his start with the 70's era Atlas offerings I can say that, although extremely skeptical at first, I am impressed with what I've seen.

Paul Imhoff
Baton Rouge

I thought the was an internet site for these but can't find it now.

Jon Miller
AT&SF
For me time has stopped in 1941
Digitrax, Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI user
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS

Ron,

Can I order one of each scheme from you? If so, reserve the two for me and I'll call in my Visa number tomorrow.

Virgil Young
4209 Kingston Road
Amarillo, TX 79109-5249
vyoung5622@...
806-352-4498

Chris Zygmut doesn't seem to toot his horn, so I will. He dropped off
a bushel of his new Rail Shops Carbon Black covered hopper kits in HO
and they are stunning to say the least. They come in two different
schemes - Cabot early scheme with one centered medallion or the later
scheme with two medallions - one towards each end. They are kit #CB101
for late and CB102 for early. Each kit is $35.00. They should be
available at all good hobbyshops and they are available here as well.

If I was going to the Indiana PM meet this weekend I would bring a
bushel as these are gorgeous kits - actually refreshing - nice decals,
good instructions, maybe I'll learn something. Unfortunately I am
going elsewhere, but I might just bring one of these along.

Ron Sebastian
Des Plaines Hobbies
1468 Lee Street
Des Plaines, Il 60018
1-847-297-2118 fax:1-847-297-4976

I have just uploaded an Excel spreadsheet showing the splits for each Class I US Railroad for the Solid Bottom Gons (GT High Side Coal vs. Mill Type) and Drop Bottom Gons (Side vs. Center Dump) they owned as per their Recapitulation of Equipment in the April 1949 ORER.

Tim Gilbert

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Eric,

The proper shipping of some kinds of forest products,
in particular Christmas trees, was with the doors open
wide enough for ventilation but not wide enough for
theft. These were usually in 50' double door cars.
Usually they were kept open about 3' by using notched
2X4's and a great deal of baling wire between the
hand holds or whatever on each door. In the CB&Q and
C&NW's Suburban Territory these cars would be placed
on Team Tracks that could be easily driven to and sold
right out of the car.

Think I saw a ad recently that described the lever right
in the center of a sliding door as a "latch". That was
not the case. That handle, when moved to either side,
would lift the door up on the rollers. While they may
have worked when the car was new eventually there would
be so much rust and dirt on the rollers and tracks that
it was of little value. Time for the forklift.

We had one regular movement of Copper scrap. Was a little
paranoia on the part of the scrap yard owner. They usually
shipped in 50' single door cars and would weld a small
piece of steel "L" to the door track behind the door after
the door was closed. There was no chance of those doors
coming open in transit or with the goal of theft.

While this did occur after 1960 I recall one Conductor
that was being particularly difficult and who had spent
too much time in the motel's cocktail lounge tell me he
was not going to make up a train because there were too
many box cars doors open and it was against the rules.
I just asked him if he needed any help in getting them
all closed. I suggested that I might be able to get a
Trainmaster to assist him. The door issue sort of
vanished and we moved into the area of a little "pencil
switching". That concept I could accept and after we
had modified a few tracks he finally got to work and
switched the yard and went on his way.

Russ


5. Re: Box car doors....open or closed
Posted by: "Eric" newyorkcentralfan@... lokisgodhi
Date: Mon Jul 31, 2006 7:37 pm (PDT)

Mike Brock posted:

"I will note that Union Pacific rule 855 from the 1946 rule book states:

Freight Service:

"The doors of empty cars in trains must be kept closed. The doors of loaded
cars must be kept closed and properly secured unless required to be left
open for ventilation"."

Is there any provision on freight cars in our era for securing doors in the open or partially open
position for ventilation purposes while in transit?

Eric Petersson

Folks, I just picked up two of the new 70 ton, AC&F 3 bay hoppers from
Atlas/Trainman in the C&O Progress scheme. They are spectacular!
Details and printing are excellant. They roll like the wind too. A
little bit too light without the included and removeable weight/coal
load, but that can be delt with by other means.

Get em while they last, as they definately won't last long. You can't
go any where near wrong with your choice of roads either, and also
can't beat their price. Great job Atlas!

Len Cannor

The Rutland
Route of the Whippet

--- In STMFC@..., "benjaminfrank_hom" <b.hom@...> wrote:

Ed Mines wrote:
"...only the western road offered coal in gons."

Ed, be careful with your generalizations, as this one is simply

not

true. Jerry and Walt have already identified LNE and NYO&W gons

in

anthracite service, as well as the Erie gons that have been

discussed

on this list before.

I agree Ben; sometimes I make sweeping generalizations. I don't
think that either LNE or NYO&W had very big gon fleets, at least not
in the era that I'm interested in (1945-50).

I've never seen a photo of a traditional Erie gon delivering coal
(they had 500+ of the high side gons that are the prototype for the
Mantua gons and a similar number of said gons converted to hoppers).

The car in the classic Charles Winters photo of a PRR GR (or GRa?)
gon is loaded with coal. Like most photos in that collection I
expect that photo was taken near Kansas City.

As to southeast gons, I've wondered what an appropriate load would
be for a classic 40 ft. MDC style C&O gon that wasn't coal. You're
right though - photos of L&N and C&O coal trains frequently have
gons loaded with coal mixed in with hoppers.

Ed



Ed

The Rutland had a relatively large collection of distinctive wooden
hopper bottom gons.which were relegated to on-line company service .The road
also rostered some 36' wood sided gons and two classes of 40 footers which
were mainly used in Marble sevice.Armand Premo

Armand,

In the April 1949 ORER, the RUTLAND had only 89 of these hopper bottom gons left. That is 0.37% of the 23,943 Center Dump Drop Bottom Gons on Class I RR's in the US as per that 4/49 ORER.

Tim Gilbert

Armand Premo wrote:

--- In STMFC@..., "Mark Plank" <tandocrr@...> wrote:

Was this Jay Williams/Big Four or someone else offering these

photos? I'm always looking for additional photo sources, especially
of the NYC (and particularly photos of cars seen on the Toledo & Ohio
Central, or NYC/T&OC cars in general).


Robert G Spaugh whose e-mail address was charleslafong1@... a
couple of years ago.

Ed