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Re: Stake pocket castings

jerryglow2
 

I don't have a digital camera capable of a sharp enough photo close up
but Richard's kit was an ARA flat which is what P2K now has. I suspect
looking at one of those should provide you an idea of what they look
like.

Jerry Glow

--- In STMFC@..., Rob Kirkham <rdkirkham@s...> wrote:

Can someone post a photo of these, please.

Rob Kirkham


Re: UTLX Proto 2000 8K Gallon Tank Car

Ted Culotta <tculotta@...>
 

On Dec 17, 2005, at 8:19 AM, benjaminfrank_hom wrote:

Arnold van Heyst asked:
"I'm still in search for the 8.000 gallon UTLX by Proto 2000. They
have released it some years ago. Is there someone in this magnificent
group who is willing to sell me some unbuild kits?"

There's one on eBay:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6022432745

The seller will ship U.S. only, but I'm willing to act as a broker.
Contact me off-list if you're interested.

A search on "Proto 2000 tank car" turns up 11 other listings in other
roadnames if you're willing to do some paint stripping.
M. B. Klein is also a good place to troll for Proto 2000 stuff - www.modeltrainstuff.com. However, they don't have the car you seek currently.

Regards,
Ted Culotta

Speedwitch Media
645 Tanner Marsh Road, Guilford, CT 06437
info@...
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(650) 787-1912


Re: UTLX Proto 2000 8K Gallon Tank Car

benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
 

Arnold van Heyst asked:
"I'm still in search for the 8.000 gallon UTLX by Proto 2000. They
have released it some years ago. Is there someone in this magnificent
group who is willing to sell me some unbuild kits?"

There's one on eBay:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6022432745

The seller will ship U.S. only, but I'm willing to act as a broker.
Contact me off-list if you're interested.

A search on "Proto 2000 tank car" turns up 11 other listings in other
roadnames if you're willing to do some paint stripping.


Ben Hom


UTLX.

Arnold van Heyst
 

I'm asking this because they are no longer available in holland,
and on the internetstores anymore.
I hope a local trainshop?

--- In STMFC@..., "Arnold" <mrdata1968@y...> wrote:

Thanks for this enormous feedback about this subject.

Another one...........
I'm still in search for the 8.000 gallon UTLX by Proto 2000.
They have released it some years ago.
Is there someone in this magnificent group who is willing to sell me
some unbuild kits?

Arnold van Heyst
Netherlands.


Re: SP Tank Car Domes

Mike Calvert
 

The O-50-11 dome ID is 54".

There is a drawing available from CSRM
(http://66.129.110.33/SearchDrawingsBasic.htm)

Southern Pacific. 21861 / Special Oct. 23, 1939 Common standard, 12,500-gallon oil car [elevation, plan and sections]. Used on: Oil car class O-50-11. 30 x 55 in. Van Dyke. Filing location:Tube 5615 ID 4006

Mike Calvert


Re: W vs H

SUVCWORR@...
 

In a message dated 12/17/2005 9:41:19 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
tculotta@... writes:

On Dec 17, 2005, at 9:34 AM, Clark Propst wrote:

I went the hobby shop yesterday to order the Intermountain SFRD
reefer trucks for my RPI CGW 90000 series box car kit (notice I didn't
say PS-0). I looked in the Walthers catalog, no IM. I was told they
now are exclusively sold through Horizon. I asked for the Horizon
catalog, there isn't one. How do I buy IM stuff?? I came home, looked
up their web site, very few parts are listed, lots of those tempting
RTR models. So, I emailed them, they responded saying they would be
happy to sell the trucks to me. But, now I've cut out my local dealer
and the discount he gives me. I don't want to make a big deal out of
this, but this is a problem
Clark:

Maybe your local dealer could contact them about parts and see if they
will sell parts directly to dealers.

Regards,
Ted Culotta



FWIW, my dealer had no problem ordering trucks for me directly from IM.
Yes, IM has entered into an agreement with Horizon Hobbies to be the sole
distributor of IM products. But those who had direct dealer accounts before the
agreement can still order everything direct from IM. That is part of the
agreement. This was all contained in a newsletter to pre-existing dealers.

Rich Orr


Weighing Freight Cars

Patrick Wider <pwider@...>
 

Would someone please tell me everything they know about weighing freight cars? With an
emphasis on the B&O railroad? Hey wait a minute........I think I remember an article in.......

Pat Wider


Stake pocket castings

Rob Kirkham <rdkirkham@...>
 

Can someone post a photo of these, please.

Rob Kirkham

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Palmer" <remlapmot@...>
To: "STMFC" <STMFC@...>
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 6:55 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Stake pocket castings


Gents,
Richard Hendrickson has been kind enough to give permission to allow me to get the stake pockets that he had made for Westrail flatcar kits made. These are cast steel pockets unlike the u-bolt types offered by Grandt Line and others. I am in the process of getting 400-500 of these into production for myself and a few other list members. If anyone else has an interest in some of these parts please contact me off list so I can get a total for a run to the casting supplier which will help reduce the cost. Please let me know your wants by the first week in the new year so I can get the ball rolling.
Thank you , best regards and Merry Christmas,
Tom Palmer


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Re: SP Tank Car Domes

Tony Thompson
 

Shawn, would you happen to have measurements for the O-50-11 ?
I don't think I've ever run across any info on the O-50-9. What
do you know about them?
I have an O-50-9 drawing, and the dome is 54 inches. Don't have the -11. But the -9 class had the elbow safety valves, while both -10 and -11 had the more modern type. All three classes had radial courses and were 12,500 gallons. Tim, I have good photo coverage of the O-50-9 and will publish it in due course <g>.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Proto 2000 Mather Stock Car kits

jaley <jaley@...>
 

On Dec 16, 9:03pm, Brad Bourbina wrote:
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Proto 2000 Mather Stock Car kits
I don't care if your point was to single me out or not, Ted. What I
find
reprehensible is the idea that I cannot ask "Does anyone have
information
regarding who used the Mather Stock car produced by P2K" without getting
a
lecture about how to find the information for myself. It completely and
utterly defeats the purpose of a "forum" in my opinion. Hell, I just
wanted
to know if someone happened to have a roster of the things. Got an
off-list
reply stating they were used primarily by Midwest railroads and by
Gotham,
which is pretty much what I was wanting in the first damned place. Why
was
that so hard to put in an e-mail?

Brad Bourbina

-- End of excerpt from Brad Bourbina
Brad,

In a remarkably ironic twist, this subject has been discussed
before. But rather than tell you to go look it up :-), I'll summarize the
prior discussion:

1) While the group is a "community" and has a set of rules, it is composed
of individuals.
2) Any individual may feel free to ask any on-topic question he likes.
3) Any other individual may feel free to NOT answer a question if he
doesn't want to. Membership in STMFC does not COMPEL anyone to answer
anything. Many experts choose to answer our questions anyway.

Of course, the nature of the answers that we get to any of our questions
is going to depend on the individuals who choose to write those answers.
Some answers may be just plain wrong, others terse, some verbose, some
unhelpful, all of which depend on the mood and temprament of the author.
In some cases, you may get a direct answer, in others, folks may tell you
how to easily find it, and in yet others, you'll be told how to do the
research at great personal expense and effort!

All of the above are acceptable on STMFC, so I suggest simply thanking
those who were the most helpful, and moving on.

Regards,

-Jeff Aley
Deputy Moderator, STMFC





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Re: Gould/Tichy tank car

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Dec 16, 2005, at 7:52 PM, Tim O'Connor wrote:

Richard, and other tank car fans:

If Don Tichy could be persuaded to make a new underframe for
the tank car, to model the War Emergency cars, would that be
a worthwhile effort?? I think if such a car were correct that
Intermountain could have them assembled in China and they
just might be a great success. What do you think? Is the tank
body salvageable for this use?
That's an interesting idea, Tim. In fact, since most of the War Emergency tanks were mounted on standard AC&F Type 27 underframes, it might only be necessary to modify the tooling for the tank saddles and such so the Tichy tanks could be combined with IM underframes. It might be worth looking into.

Richard Hendrickson


Asking questions and courtesy, was Proto 2000 Mather Stock Car kits

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Brad Bourbina asks:

So this isn't a forum in which to share information if you
have it? I appreciate you sending me in the right direction
for the articles but I really don't understand your comment.
I've been to index.mrmag.com, but I know if someone asked for
information on NYC cars from 1936 I'd be checking my ORER
from that year to see what I could do, not just tell them to
"go look it up on (insert website here)".
Well, it should be. And some of those who've figured all this out years ago, and have talked it all
through here a few times should realize that a forum like this attracts new people all the time, and
yes, some of them will ask a question which has been beaten to death before. That doesn't mean that
we can't discuss it again. Something new might fall out of the conversation. Yes, you can tell the
questioner to search the list archives (though this isn't as easy as it might be . . .). But you
can also do things like ANSWER the question, or direct the questioner to someone in particular who
knows a good deal about the topic. Giving somebody the brush-off with "go look here" is often just
NOT useful. Sometimes you have to have some help in even framing your question, or getting your
question whittled down to a question that can be answered within a normal lifetime.

SGL


Ore Cars

PBowers <waiting@...>
 

I'm almost afraid to ask this question.<GG>

In my research on CP 373001 and 375001 series ore cars I find it
interesting that the size of car does not seem to follow in the direction
that other railway's cars did. The CP prototypes are 22' 7" and 26' 6"
interior length with 5' 11" and 6' 7" interior height vs the 19' 7" 6' 7"
of the ore cars shown in the Car Builders Cyclopedia and the seeming basis
of most models. The smaller CP cars were 8' 7 1/8" to top of car from rail
top so the larger CP car would be about 9' 3". Extensions on these cars
were about 16-8" high. Typical ore cars like the MDC and Atlas cars and
other models currently available seem to follow this 10' 2" high over rail
size.

MDC produced a "CP" ore car with a questionable paint scheme. The 373001
series was the likely seed for the fictitious paint scheme and choice of
car. Plans for the real 373001 series cars was in Jan 2004 Mainline
Modeler. Comparing the cars show that the two cars are vastly different.

I find it interesting that this car seems to be very one of a kind. I have
looked to see if any other railway had similar cars and haven't found
anything although I seem to remember seeing another similar ore car.

Does anyone know of any other ore cars similar to the CP ones or a good
book or source of information on ore cars.

Thanks!!

Peter Bowers

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Re: Stake pocket castings

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Dec 16, 2005, at 6:55 PM, Tom Palmer wrote:

Gents,
Richard Hendrickson has been kind enough to give permission to allow me to get the stake pockets that he had made for Westrail flatcar kits made. These are cast steel pockets unlike the u-bolt types offered by Grandt Line and others.
Small correction. The castings represent the pressed steel stake pockets that were used on AAR 50 ton flat cars (and numerous other flat cars in the 1940s and '50s).

Richard Hendrickson


Re: SP Tank Car Domes

Tim O'Connor
 

Shawn, would you happen to have measurements for the O-50-11 ?

I don't think I've ever run across any info on the O-50-9. What
do you know about them?

Tim O.

Whoa, Tony, wait a sec. What about those partial drawings I sent
you recently? Doesn't the diagram for the O-50-13 indicate a 61 1/2"
(interior diameter) dome?

Class Drawing Date Gal. Dome Hgt Dome Dia.(int)
------- ------------ ------ --------- --------------
O-50-12 11-9-28 12,500 24" 54"
O-50-13 6-26-43 12,500 22" 61 1/2"
O-50-14 7-31-43 8,000 19" 54"


Re: MDT/NYC reefers

Tim O'Connor
 

I strongly suspect the fellow who saw the white cars in the
1950's is partly right -- probably he saw white MDT reefers but
they were steel.

You're absolutely correct; this thread started with the wood cars and
I had that thought.
I could start an entirely different thread on how long the steel cars
lasted in white

Roger H.


Re: New file uploaded to STMFC

Tim O'Connor
 

Scott

The pad printed UTLX lettering always seems a bit washed out
to my eye -- a painted & decaled car looks better. And if you
mix decals and pad printing, it's just not going to look good.

Tim O.

P.S. Steve Hile also had some excellent UTLX decals at one time,
although not for this particular car. And Sunshine generally has
sold their decals separately if they have enough on hand.

At 07:09 PM 12/16/2005, you wrote:
So the 1950s modeler should have on his shopping list
1. Red Caboose welded tank car
2. (The upcoming) Black Cat UTLX decal set

But my question is, should we hunt for the RC UTLX-lettered car, and use the
decal for little fixes, or use an undec (or strip a car) to letter it entirely
with the decal?

Scott Pitzer


Re: Gould/Tichy tank car

Tim O'Connor
 

Richard, and other tank car fans:

If Don Tichy could be persuaded to make a new underframe for
the tank car, to model the War Emergency cars, would that be
a worthwhile effort?? I think if such a car were correct that
Intermountain could have them assembled in China and they
just might be a great success. What do you think? Is the tank
body salvageable for this use?

Tim O'Connor


Re: Proto 2000 Mather Stock Car kits

Dave Nelson <muskoka@...>
 

Brad Bourbina wrote:
[much stuff deleted]. It's people like you.
Yup but differently than you think.... It is people like Richard, Tony,
Tim, and Ted who helped create STMFC. And FCL before that. And Tim's
e-mail forum before that. And magazines articles before that (and
afterwards). And let's not overlook the books on freight cars either. Or
research material to create models of freight cars.

People so exactly like them, gee, it was them. How about that?

Real pikers that never share? Give me a freekin break.

Dave Nelson


Re: Proto 2000 Mather Stock Car kits

Brad Bourbina <bbbourb@...>
 

I don't care if your point was to single me out or not, Ted. What I find
reprehensible is the idea that I cannot ask "Does anyone have information
regarding who used the Mather Stock car produced by P2K" without getting a
lecture about how to find the information for myself. It completely and
utterly defeats the purpose of a "forum" in my opinion. Hell, I just wanted
to know if someone happened to have a roster of the things. Got an off-list
reply stating they were used primarily by Midwest railroads and by Gotham,
which is pretty much what I was wanting in the first damned place. Why was
that so hard to put in an e-mail?

Brad Bourbina

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]On Behalf Of
Ted Culotta
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 7:20 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Proto 2000 Mather Stock Car kits



On Dec 16, 2005, at 5:14 PM, Brad Bourbina wrote:

So this isn't a forum in which to share information if you have it? I
appreciate you sending me in the right direction for the articles but
I really don't understand your comment. I've been to index.mrmag.com,
but I know if someone asked for information on NYC cars from 1936 I'd
be checking my ORER from that year to see what I could do, not just
tell them to "go look it up on (insert website here)".
Brad:

My point was not to single you out, and I thought I had made that
clear. If not, then please accept my apologies. However, what I was
trying to convey was different, and I believe Richard's explanation
bore it out, as did your own reply. A specific question about a NYC
car is the exact function of this forum whereas broad questions can be
answered or refined often by seeking out other sources first. No harm,
though. At any rate, my reply elicited the proper effect. Everyone on
the list will remember index.mrmag.com for the next week or so!

Regards,
Ted Culotta

Speedwitch Media
645 Tanner Marsh Road, Guilford, CT 06437
info@...
www.speedwitch.com
(650) 787-1912





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