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Re: MSTL Station Car Records

Allen Rueter <allen@...>
 

They were up loaded to STMFPH, not STMFC, half of STMFC members don't
belong to STMFPH.

Which was considered the thru line on the MSTL to points south at Albia
from Minneapolis/StPaul? the one to the west thru Des Moines, or the
eastern one thru Marshaltown?

Allen Rueter

On Wed, Dec 07, 2005 at 04:10:41PM -0500, Thomas Baker wrote:
Doug:

I am very interested in downloading what you have posted in regard to freight movements through the three towns but I cannot break into the system. I am puzzled about this since I am on the STMFC, although the site informs me that I am not a member. I receive the e-mails daily. Any idea what the problem is.

Tom

________________________________

From: STMFC@... on behalf of Douglas Harding
Sent: Tue 12/6/2005 2:09 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] MSTL Station Car Records



Freight car fans I recently had brief access to some Station Books for the
M&StL towns of Minburn and Dallas Center, Iowa. These towns are in the
county west of Des Moines, Iowa. I was allowed to photocopy a few pages. I
have created an Excel Spreadsheet which contains the Station Car Records for
Minburn and Dallas Center Iowa for the years 1945 and 1949, and also
contains some listings for 1944, 1946, 1947, 1948, 1950, & 1954. As these
were hand written records, some were difficult to decipher, but I did my
best. The record lists every car that was Received at Minburn and Dallas
Center. What is really nice is the record lists where the car came from.
Some of the records contain Code numbers, indicating a town/location on the
M&StL. This Excel file has been added to the STMFPH files at
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/STMFPH/files/ as there was no room in the
regular group files.

A few notations: I believe G Bx means an empty boxcar for grain loading.
Corn and soybeans were loaded out, but almost nothing else. What is really
interesting is the lack of Petroleum products delivered in 1945, remember
WWII was still going on, but in 1949 Petroleum products dominate deliveries
in Minburn. Also note that all Petroleum comes from TX, OK and KS. I can
only assume that, as this line came out of Des Moines, that Petroleum
products came to DM via the RI then interchanged with the M&StL. Can anyone
shed any light on this? I am trying to track down the M&StL interchange for
Petroleum products

Another thing I noticed in 1945 was the M&StL must have been relaying track
in the area. Lots of company cars and work trains.

In the Dallas Center records I noticed a very interesting traffic pattern.
In the summer of 1949 lots of tank cars with water were delivered to the
city of Dallas Center, along with cars of pipe. The city must have lost its
water supply, ie a drought or shallow wells dried up, and had to ship in
water until a new system was installed. Deliveries began the later part of
May and were regular until the end of August.

Remember both of these communities are small rural towns in Iowa, neither
had any manufacturing or factories. So it was Ag products out, basic
necessities it. It gives a nice picture of the traffic such towns witnessed.
This is also a wonderful record of the cars that were delivered.

I look forward to comments and analysis.

The file is in MS Excel, a spreadsheet program. If you do not have Excel,
Microsoft offers a free viewer, so you can look and print. Go to
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=c8378bf4-996c-4569-
b547-75edbd03aaf0&displaylang=EN

Doug Harding
Iowa Central Railroad
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Re: MSTL Station Car Records

Brian J Carlson <brian@...>
 

Tom, are you a Yahoo member or just a group member? Anyone can join the
group, but only those with a Yahoo account can view the files area. At least
that is how it used to be.

Brian J Carlson


Re: MSTL Station Car Records

Thomas Baker
 

Doug:

I am very interested in downloading what you have posted in regard to freight movements through the three towns but I cannot break into the system. I am puzzled about this since I am on the STMFC, although the site informs me that I am not a member. I receive the e-mails daily. Any idea what the problem is.

Tom

________________________________

From: STMFC@... on behalf of Douglas Harding
Sent: Tue 12/6/2005 2:09 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] MSTL Station Car Records



Freight car fans I recently had brief access to some Station Books for the
M&StL towns of Minburn and Dallas Center, Iowa. These towns are in the
county west of Des Moines, Iowa. I was allowed to photocopy a few pages. I
have created an Excel Spreadsheet which contains the Station Car Records for
Minburn and Dallas Center Iowa for the years 1945 and 1949, and also
contains some listings for 1944, 1946, 1947, 1948, 1950, & 1954. As these
were hand written records, some were difficult to decipher, but I did my
best. The record lists every car that was Received at Minburn and Dallas
Center. What is really nice is the record lists where the car came from.
Some of the records contain Code numbers, indicating a town/location on the
M&StL. This Excel file has been added to the STMFPH files at
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/STMFPH/files/ as there was no room in the
regular group files.

A few notations: I believe G Bx means an empty boxcar for grain loading.
Corn and soybeans were loaded out, but almost nothing else. What is really
interesting is the lack of Petroleum products delivered in 1945, remember
WWII was still going on, but in 1949 Petroleum products dominate deliveries
in Minburn. Also note that all Petroleum comes from TX, OK and KS. I can
only assume that, as this line came out of Des Moines, that Petroleum
products came to DM via the RI then interchanged with the M&StL. Can anyone
shed any light on this? I am trying to track down the M&StL interchange for
Petroleum products

Another thing I noticed in 1945 was the M&StL must have been relaying track
in the area. Lots of company cars and work trains.

In the Dallas Center records I noticed a very interesting traffic pattern.
In the summer of 1949 lots of tank cars with water were delivered to the
city of Dallas Center, along with cars of pipe. The city must have lost its
water supply, ie a drought or shallow wells dried up, and had to ship in
water until a new system was installed. Deliveries began the later part of
May and were regular until the end of August.

Remember both of these communities are small rural towns in Iowa, neither
had any manufacturing or factories. So it was Ag products out, basic
necessities it. It gives a nice picture of the traffic such towns witnessed.
This is also a wonderful record of the cars that were delivered.

I look forward to comments and analysis.

The file is in MS Excel, a spreadsheet program. If you do not have Excel,
Microsoft offers a free viewer, so you can look and print. Go to
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=c8378bf4-996c-4569-
b547-75edbd03aaf0&displaylang=EN

Doug Harding
Iowa Central Railroad
http://d.harding.home.mchsi.com








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Re: MDT "orange"

Ron Morse <ronstrainshop@...>
 

Ed
Thank you for the link.
These then are the plain "MDT" not "NYC MDT" cars, that is where I
was confused!
Ron Morse
NYC/C&O O scale no longer confused in cool Springfield,MO



--- In STMFC@..., "ed_mines" <ed_mines@y...> wrote:

If you go to the library of congess photo web site -

http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/fsacquery.html

and type in railroad freight cars (or yard or Illinois Central
R.R.)
for the search you will find a picture of MDT 5721 taken in 1943
which
is lemon yellow (i.e. no red). There's another print of MDT
reefers
beneath a Pabst sign which shows the same color.

I didn't find it today but there's also a photo of yellow MDT cars
assigned to IC that are also yellow.

All these photos were probably taken with the same batch of film
but
Kodachrome usually exaggerates color.

Does anyone have anything definative on MDT orange?

Ed


Re: SSW decals - Blues

Tim Gilbert <tgilbert@...>
 

Shawn,

For some good chemical reason, light to medium blues seems to have faded quicker than any other color in the 1950's. John Nehrich addressed this in one of his NEB&W Guides. Not only was the "blue" of the Blue Streak affected, but also the "blue" which the B&M applied to engines and boxcars in the mid-to-late 1950's. There should be other examples, too.

Part of the problem may have been the rarity of a natural blue pigment which was stable. For instance, when I was in sixth grade, the headmaster took a sabbatical in India. In India, he found that all pigments except blue could be found naturally; thus, we six graders were forced to pony up pennies to buy blue paint to send to India.

This fading did not seem to affect dark blue as much as lighter shades. In the modern day, the problem with blue seems to have been solved although Conrail Blue may be an example of quicker fading than say BN Green.

Tim Gilbert

Beckert, Shawn wrote:

I'm not clear on what the problem with the SSW herald faux pas is. But I have a photo of SSW 20067 taken in 1946 that shows a plain
white lightning bolt. Its a small photo, so I suppose an argument
could be made about the ability to detect the blue, but I'm pretty
confident from what I can see.
When new - or nearly new - the "Blue Streak" herald looked like this:

http://www.railgoat.railfan.net/sswcars/by_number/33500-33849.htm

Blue lightning bolt with white outline. The Champ decal set gets this
correct, and I recommend using it for new or lightly weathered cars.

With moderate weathering you get this:

http://www.railgoat.railfan.net/sswcars/ssw_bytype/box/ssw_box.htm

The blue is starting to fade, but the white outline is still there.
The next two images show cars where the white outline is fading or
almost gone:

http://www.railgoat.railfan.net/sswcars/by_number/35175-35849.htm

http://www.railgoat.railfan.net/sswcars/by_number/34800-35149.htm

If you want to model a car that's really beat up from the elements,
then go ahead and use the Micro Scale set, which doesn't have the
white outline around the bolt. I suspect they didn't produce it with
that effect in mind, but without the white outline, that's all it's
good for.If you're going to model the car as Cotton Belt intended the
paint job to look, you need the Champ set.


Re: SSW decals

Andy Carlson
 

There is another option, a superior one in my
estimation, in selecting heralds for the "Blue Streak"
schemes. Tom Hood's CDS dry transfers for the Cotton
Belt has at least 2 sets which does this herald very
well, and unlike the aforementioned decals, comes out
100% opaque. The irritant to some about the need to
layer the CDS's 2 different colors can be an asset for
the more distressed forms Shawn cites (the heralds are
done in single colored layers which are applied one
over the other). Unfortunatly, CDS is going out of
business soon and these fine sets will become
difficult to obtain, so some searching now might be
prudent.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

--- "Beckert, Shawn" <shawn.beckert@...> wrote:
If you're going to model the car as Cotton

Belt intended the
paint job to look, you need the Champ set.


Re: SSW decals

Shawn Beckert
 

I'm not clear on what the problem with the SSW herald faux pas is.
But I have a photo of SSW 20067 taken in 1946 that shows a plain
white lightning bolt. Its a small photo, so I suppose an argument
could be made about the ability to detect the blue, but I'm pretty
confident from what I can see.
When new - or nearly new - the "Blue Streak" herald looked like this:

http://www.railgoat.railfan.net/sswcars/by_number/33500-33849.htm

Blue lightning bolt with white outline. The Champ decal set gets this
correct, and I recommend using it for new or lightly weathered cars.

With moderate weathering you get this:

http://www.railgoat.railfan.net/sswcars/ssw_bytype/box/ssw_box.htm

The blue is starting to fade, but the white outline is still there.
The next two images show cars where the white outline is fading or
almost gone:

http://www.railgoat.railfan.net/sswcars/by_number/35175-35849.htm

http://www.railgoat.railfan.net/sswcars/by_number/34800-35149.htm

If you want to model a car that's really beat up from the elements,
then go ahead and use the Micro Scale set, which doesn't have the
white outline around the bolt. I suspect they didn't produce it with
that effect in mind, but without the white outline, that's all it's
good for.If you're going to model the car as Cotton Belt intended the
paint job to look, you need the Champ set.

Shawn Beckert


Dome and a half Barret Tarvia tank car

Miller, Andrew S. <asmiller@...>
 

Tom,

I too went back to Pennsy Power I and could not find the photo. I
wonder now where I saw it. I built the car almost 30 years ago, so it
was not a recent book. I distinctly remember the picture. It was a
PRR freight on the corridor being pulled by a P5 electric.

regards,

Andy Miller

-----Original Message----- (in part)
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of
Thomas M. Olsen
Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 10:05 PM

Hi Andy,

I went looking for the Tarvia car behind an electric in Pennsy Power I
but could not locate the photo in question. I also checked Pennsy
Power
II and III to no avail.
. . .

Tom Olsen


Miller, Andrew S. wrote:

An interesting photo appears in Pennsy Power I of a train containing a
Barrett Tarvia tank car behind a PRR electric. I have always referred
to this car as the "dome and half" tank car. It was obviously a
single
dome car modified to two compartments. It has a large dome in the
middle of the car and a noticeably smaller one at one end. I built a
model of this car many, many years ago and unfortunately, not having
the standards I do today, wasted the decals on a crude model of an
inappropriate car. I think it was a early Mantua plastic tank car. I
have looked at this car recently in hopes of finding a way to bring it
up to my current standards for a stand-in, but it does not seem
likely.

regards,

Andy Miller


Looking for a Photo of a CB&Q Composite Hopper and PC Gondola

rrhistorian
 

Hello all,

I am looking for the address photo that is on the web somewhere. In
the foreground of the photo is a Penn Central Gondola (likely nee NYC
- with a C. 1950 built date) and in the rear a CB&Q composite gondola
in chinese-red paint with billboard "Everywhere West" lettering. The
photograph was taken just south of Chicago Union Station (CUS) C.
1973. In the rear of the photograph the massive PRR/Western
Warehousing freight terminal is being demolished. The CB&Q car was in
a line of cars supplying coal to the steam plant.

My specific interest in this photo is for use in illustrating a paper
on the history of the PRR freight terminal. While I can remember the
details of the photo clearly, I have not been able to relocate it
after many hours of searching, My hope is that someone here will know
the photo -- if for nothing else as this is a rather late date for a
composite hopper to be in service.

Many thanks,
Tom Cornillie


MDT "orange"

ed_mines
 

If you go to the library of congess photo web site -

http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/fsacquery.html

and type in railroad freight cars (or yard or Illinois Central R.R.)
for the search you will find a picture of MDT 5721 taken in 1943 which
is lemon yellow (i.e. no red). There's another print of MDT reefers
beneath a Pabst sign which shows the same color.

I didn't find it today but there's also a photo of yellow MDT cars
assigned to IC that are also yellow.

All these photos were probably taken with the same batch of film but
Kodachrome usually exaggerates color.

Does anyone have anything definative on MDT orange?

Ed


Re: Small town oil distribution: cars/facilities/practices

jim peters
 

Gordon,

I'm a new member to the group - but in the past I was considering building a diorama of a small town oil distribution facility.

The one article that may be just what you're looking for is of The Bulk Oil Depot at Devils Lake, N.D.
December 1994, Railmodel Journal, page 12. There were a couple of others that might fit your needs - I'll go through my files tonight.

Jim Peters
Coquitlam, B.C.


From: "Milepost 131" <mp131@...>
Reply-To: STMFC@...
To: <STMFC@...>
Subject: [STMFC] Small town oil distribution: cars/facilities/practices
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 19:05:26 -0500

I'm looking for photos/information on small town oil distributors and the
way this was handled with steam era tank cars.

Standard Oil seems to be one of the main companies.

Some questions:

Rivet patterns on the tank cars
Could they carry multiple products
Types of trucks and brakes
Railroad practices for placement of these cars
Loading unloading facilities
Length of time to unload a tank car
What a local distributor looked like

Lots of questions. Few answers.

Yeah I've search Model Railroader, Mainline etc.

I've seen whole "unit" trains during WWII but not detailed pictures or info.

Thanks.

Gordon Andrews

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Re: Penzoil tanks: was Small town oil

Tim Gilbert <tgilbert@...>
 

Garth Groff wrote:


Some time ago there was a comment made here about Penzoil cars. I didn't
pay attention, as it didn't seem to matter to my interestes. Recently I
discovered that there was a Penzoil facility at Swanston/North
Sacramento on the SN during the 1950s, an area I am considering
modeling. I seem to remember someone said that Penzoil was shipped in
leased cars without any special lettering of their own. Could someone
please confirm this? Which company? Any special type of car?
Garth,

According to the abbreviated history of Standard Oil at http://www.us-highways.com/sohist.htm web site , South Penn, Pennzoil's parent until the 1950's, was a Standard Oil Production Company. As such, Pennzoil probably leased UTLX tank cars.

Tim Gilbert


Re: Small town oil distribution: cars/facilities/practices

Tim Gilbert <tgilbert@...>
 

--- In STMFC@..., Richard Hendrickson wrote:

Before WW I, Standard Oil was broken up by federal anti-trust action
into a number of smaller regional units. So which Standard Oil

you're


talking about depends on the area your modeling.

Jared Harper asked:


Which Standard Oil company covered Kansas?


I replied:

Go to http://www.us-highways.com/sohist.htm for an abbreviated history
of the "Baby Standards" after the break up of the Standard Oil Trust in
1911.
Also, for those interested in how Union Tank Car (UTLX) operated &
managed their business after the breakup of the Standard Oil Trust, the
last two thirds of Albert Z. Carr's JOHN D. ROCKEFELLER'S SECRET WEAPON
(1961) is a good read although it only addresses the engineering of tank
cars in passing. The book is available on http://www.bookfinder.com in
the under $5.00 range.

Tim Gilbert


Re: Small town oil distribution: cars/facilities/practices

Tim Gilbert <tgilbert@...>
 

--- In STMFC@..., Richard Hendrickson wrote:


Before WW I, Standard Oil was broken up by federal anti-trust action
into a number of smaller regional units. So which Standard Oil
you're
talking about depends on the area your modeling.
Jared Harper asked:


Which Standard Oil company covered Kansas?
Go to http://www.us-highways.com/sohist.htm for an abbreviated history of the "Baby Standards" after the break up of the Standard Oil Trust in 1911.

Tim Gilbert


Penzoil tanks: was Small town oil

Garth Groff <ggg9y@...>
 

Friends,

Some time ago there was a comment made here about Penzoil cars. I didn't pay attention, as it didn't seem to matter to my interestes. Recently I discovered that there was a Penzoil facility at Swanston/North Sacramento on the SN during the 1950s, an area I am considering modeling. I seem to remember someone said that Penzoil was shipped in leased cars without any special lettering of their own. Could someone please confirm this? Which company? Any special type of car?

Kind regards,


Garth G. Groff


Re: MDT 1941 Composite reefer

Jonathan MARCUS
 

Many thanks to you all.
I kind of thought it was wrong in paint-scheme and number. My main reference source is a
fair number of Sunshine flyers/data sheets from their HO models. I had my 1941 car painted
according to the Sunshine suggestions ie in the yellow, numbered 8350.
It's a shame about thw white car - its a great paint-scheme.
Thanks again for all the expertise deployed here.
Jon


SSW decals

Rob Kirkham <rdkirkham@...>
 

I'm not clear on what the problem with the SSW herald faux pas is. But I have a photo of SSW 20067 taken in 1946 that shows a plain white lightning bolt. Its a small photo, so I suppose an argument could be made about the ability to detect the blue, but I'm pretty confident from what I can see.

Rob Kirkham


Re: DVD's

David Jobe, Sr.
 

Adding to what Bob has already posted, Raymond Vecchie has unfortunately
passed away. While the originals were shot on 8mm and not always of the
best quality I would not part with my copy, YMMV. For my personal interests
it includes about a half hour of Illinois Terminal footage covering both
electric passenger and freight scenes as well as some brief diesel scenes
including the new GP7s. There is also a brief scene taken at Ice House
curve entering Decatur where steam era freight cars ran daily beyond the
cut-off time of this list.

From my notes, here is a brief synopsis of the sections on the tape:
* C&IM - Includes good coverage of the coal dumper at Havana,
Illinois. This could easily be worth the price of the tape...
* Central Illinois Steam
* Central Illinois Diesels
* Illinois Terminal
* 40s & 50s Chicago Area
* Colorado
* National Museum of Transport
* 50s Aircraft (Most notable to me were scenes of the old and new
Lambert Terminals and several interesting aircraft - a definite bonus.)
* Total Length - 3:17:20

It appears that the tape is now called "Mid-America at Mid-Century". Follow
the links and click on the cover to read the back cover notes for further
information. Hope this helps.

Best regards,
David E. Jobe, Sr.
St. Ann, Missouri
Illinois Traction System 1926 - 1928
http://www.illinoistractionsociety.org/

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Bob
Webber
Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2005 7:18 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] DVD's

Sorry to be late finding this (wasn't there a quote about the easiest
way to lose something is to misfile it in a big library? The
alternative is a small library).

The VHS Tape is from Raymond Vecchie from Taylorville Il. It is
called 1940's and 1950's Memories #3. All color. 3 hours worth (&
15 mintus of aviation scenes at Midway and O'Hare along with
Rockford, Lambert Field and others).

It contains 45 minutes of C&IM steam & diesel runbys including the
Havana coal dumper operation described previously. Also included
is smattering of CB&Q, NPK (sic), EJ&E, IC, Soo and Milw. Trips in
a dome from Chicago to St. Louis and to St. Paul. RI early diesels
and C&NW passenger ops. GTW 4-84 fan trip, and a lot more. The main
thing is he has a lot of good freight cars in color in this era.

I don't know if he has DVD's now or not. It would be worth checking into.

Others are available here (Supposedly these 3 as well though I can't
find them in the list):
http://www.revelationvideo.com/video/historic/index.html

This *might* be the latest info:

Raymond Vecchie, PO Box 192, Kincaid, IL 62540; (217) 237-2829.

The narration gets tiring, but the scenes do not!
At 08:37 AM 12/5/2005, you wrote:
Dave Nelson asks:
I know this has come up before but I can't find it right now... Any
recommendations for DVD's with emphasis on steam era freight cars?
Without a doubt...Union Pacific Big Boy Collection by Pentrex. This tape
shows numerous trains of frt cars including three or four entire consists.
Hooters on Blue Ridge also shows considerable frt car footage. There are
some more that I'll try to examine later today.

Mike Brock
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Re: Small town oil distribution: cars/facilities/practices

D. Scott Chatfield
 

Few Answers Andrews asked:

I'm looking for photos/information on small town oil distributors and the
way this was handled with steam era tank cars.
Standard Oil seems to be one of the main companies.
That's an understatement! Even after the breakup of the Standard Oil trust circa 1911, the "baby Standards" still covered most of the US (plus the Esso of Canada), and there was usually a "big brother" and "little brother" Standard in each region. The big brother got to use the name "Standard" in their marketing in that region, while the little brother had to come up with another marketing name. Thus we have Standard Oil of Indiana, known as "Standard" throughout much of the Midwest out to the Rockies, but called "American" elsewhere. The torch-on-oval logo was the same, just the name changed. Today, we call it Amoco, short for American Oil Company, although in an ironic twist British Petroleum bought it a few years back.

By WW2, the baby Standards had shaken out to six players, SO of New Jersey (aka Esso or Humble), SO of New York (Socony or Mobil), SO of Ohio (Standard or Sohio), SO of Indiana (Standard or American), and SO of California (Standard or Chevron), plus Esso of Canada.

The common thread linking the Standards in the post-1911 years was Union Tank Car. The UTLX fleet served almost all the needs of the Standards, and did it almost entirely with plain black UTLX tanks. So if you have a Standard Oil distributor on your layout, and odds are good that you should, you need a bunch of UTLX tanks. And the vast majority of UTLX tanks in the late steam years were X-3 designs of several gallonages. The only models of these are resin kits made by Sunshine.


Some questions:
Rivet patterns on the tank cars
Depends on the design, the builder, and when built.

Could they carry multiple products
Not at the same time! But after a good cleaning, yes.

Types of trucks and brakes
Depends on the design, the builder, and when built.

Railroad practices for placement of these cars
Placing cars loaded with flammable liquids or gases several cars away from the power or caboose was not required in the steam era, but some roads may have done it. But a look through several employee timetables I have from the '50s makes no mention of the practice.

Loading unloading facilities
Very long at the refineries, and usually very short at the local distributors, known as "bulk plants."

Length of time to unload a tank car
In the steam era, usually not very long, since the average storage tank was a bit bigger than the average tank car, so the whole car could usually be emptied in one pumping. But some smaller bulk plants used the cars as the storage tanks, especially for product that didn't sell as fast. That was between the car owner and the bulk plant, and the railroads had no say in the matter.

What a local distributor looked like
An unloading standpipe or three, a couple or more storage tanks, an office, and maybe a warehouse for canned or barreled products. A few may have had their own packaging facility for stuff like motor oil. Which, by the way, generally arrived in barrels since very few bulk plants sold it fast enough to justify an entire tankcar load.



I've seen whole "unit" trains during WWII but not detailed pictures or info.
That was usually shipments of crude from oil fields in the West and Southwest to eastern refineries. In those days, most of America's refining capacity was near Chicago and New York. Before WW2, coastal shipping handled most of the crude oil from the Southwest to the Northeast (plus some movement of refined products). Nazi U-boats put a quick end to that practice, and unit oil trains handled much of the traffic until the Big Inch and Little Inch pipelines were built. After the war, pipelines steadily wiped out most of the railroads' long distance petroleum business, that is, until the rise of the plastics industry created all new sources of tank car traffic.

Scott C


Re: Small town oil distribution: cars/facilities/practices

Jared Harper <harper-brown@...>
 

--- In STMFC@..., Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@o...>
wrote:

Before WW I, Standard Oil was broken up by federal anti-trust action
into a number of smaller regional units. So which Standard Oil
you're
talking about depends on the area your modeling.
Which Standard Oil company covered Kansas?

Jared Harper
Athens, GA

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