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Re: L&A Howe Truss Boxcars
James F. Brewer <jfbrewer@...>
Ok, I give up. I've been quietly following this thread as I have the same Sunshine kit, albeit still in the box to be built.
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On the running board, wood or metal? Jim Brewer Glenwood MD
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From: "Jerry" <jrs060@...> To: <STMFC@...> Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 6:51 PM Subject: [STMFC] Re: L&A Howe Truss Boxcars --- In STMFC@..., cobrapsl@a... wrote:
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Re: Life Like P2k 10k Insulated Tankcar Type 21
Jerry <jrs060@...>
--- In STMFC@..., "Patrick Wider" <pwider@s...> wrote:
--- In STMFC@..., "luzhin1" <gsmith@c...> wrote: --- In STMFC@..., "Patrick Wider" <pwider@s...> wrote: Other cars obviously for tar were: Montazuma Asphalt (Pan American Petroleum Co.), Tarvia (The Barrett Co.), and ROTAR (Dominion Tar & Chemical Co.). This discussion is reminding me that I have some lovely Tarvia (Barrett) decals but have never been able to find out what type tank car (circa 1930) Barrett would have owned. Would it have been insulated? Has anyone done up a Tarvia car? And what model did you use? Thanks, Greg Smith Greg, Check out BMX5281 I just loaded into the files section. Pat Wider Oh Pat, I'd love to model this one (BMX 5281). It would not take that much work to change the details on the Life Like car, a little plastic for the dome walkways, and some pipe fittings from Precession Scale for the heater pipes. Yes, the decals are the problem, even if you can use the logo in the Microscale set you still have a problem with getting the correct data and test information. I had looked at some of the preproduction samples that Larry Grubb had at Naperville and noted that the cars all had correct lettering and data, but none were lettered with heater pipe test data. They all were type ARA III without heater pipes for general service, or ARA type IV cars for volatile commodities that may need to have the pressure unloading fitting added to the dome? ARA type III cars for dense heavy commodities, asphalt, cut back, or roofing tar would all have heater pipes, and or steam jacketed outlet pipe. Say, has anyone noted that the Sinclair car used in the add photos by Walthers(Life Like)has a different car number on the ends and underframe than on the tank side? Sure hope thay fixed that! Regards, Jerry Stewart Chicago, Ill.
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Re: MDT 1941 Composite reefer
Roger Hinman <rhinman@...>
Unlikely, there is an excellent photo of one of the 6000 series cars in the LOC collection
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already painted in orange in the early 40s; given these were wood sided cars, I doubt any survived the war without a repaint and would have gotten the change. I would love to see a photo to the contrary though Roger Hinman
On Dec 6, 2005, at 10:09 PM, Bruce Smith wrote:
On Tue, December 6, 2005 5:38 pm, Roger Hinman wrote:The 1941 cars were never in the white scheme as shown by numerousRoger,
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Re: MDT reefers
Roger Hinman <rhinman@...>
Dates are never absolute, but the white was only used on the first few lots of the steel
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cars and if I get my notes I can state exactly which ones. My suspicion is they were repainted orange during their next shopping period. The 8300 series you mention, I'm presuming is the 8000 series of 1941; what you probably mean is the large fleet of wood reefers built from 1911-1928 and yes many of them were painted orange as well as many being renumbered. Roger Hinman
On Dec 6, 2005, at 11:06 PM, Ron Morse wrote:
OK you guys, ya got me completly confused......the white steel MDT
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Re: MDT 1941 Composite reefer
Roger Hinman <rhinman@...>
I hate to say it but 8350 is a bum number' the 8000 series cars were numbered 8000-8149
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Roger Hinman
On Dec 7, 2005, at 3:46 AM, marcuj10 wrote:
Many thanks to you all.
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Re: L&A Howe Truss Boxcars
Paul Lyons
Jim, Go to the files and see the picture that Pat posted. It clearly shows
the car to have a wood roof walk and AB brakes. Take note of the brake part locations as they are different from what is called for in the Sunshine directions. With Jerry and Richard confirming these cars had Ajax power hand brakes all the parts of the puzzle are finally in place. You might find it interesting that I used Westerfield ladders on this kit as they were the only ones I could find that had the right spacing. Paul Lyons Laguna Niguel, CA
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Re: MDT "orange"
Roger Hinman <rhinman@...>
My suspicion on definitive orange is there may not have been one. On a painting diagram I have
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for the 1947 white cars, it basically states white and a red shade for the two colors, no reference to specific mfgs numbers as some other drawings have. There is a very interesting photo in the LOC collection of 4 different MDT cars at a freight house, 3 have the faded yellow appearance in the photos you mention below but the other is a much brighter orange more similar to the later color used in the sixties, obviously having been freshly repainted. It leads one to belive their choice of colors weathered very quickly. Roger Hinman
On Dec 7, 2005, at 2:29 PM, Ron Morse wrote:
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Re: L&A Howe Truss Boxcars
Jerry <jrs060@...>
--- In STMFC@..., cobrapsl@a... wrote:
FANTASTIC Pat, The photo answers all my question except what type power hand brakes these cars were equiped with. I am assuming they were Ajax, but can anybody else put the last piece of this puzzle in place. Thanks in advance. Paul Lyons Laguna Niguel, CA Paul, the L&A Howe Truss Cars were built with Ajax power hand brakes. I have seen them show up in the backround of some old L&A photos to prove this. Remember they were built in 1930, rather late for the old chain wind-up brake. Regards, Jerry Stewart Chicago, Ill.
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Re: MSTL Station Car Records
ljack70117@...
On Dec 7, 2005, at 4:45 PM, Brian J Carlson wrote:
Not true. I am not a Yahoo member and I can access the files. Thank you Larry Jackman ljack70117@... The 50-50-90 Rule: Anytime you have 50-50 chance of getting something right, there is 90% probability you'll get it wrong.
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Re: MSTL Station Car Records
Allen Rueter <allen@...>
They were up loaded to STMFPH, not STMFC, half of STMFC members don't
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belong to STMFPH. Which was considered the thru line on the MSTL to points south at Albia from Minneapolis/StPaul? the one to the west thru Des Moines, or the eastern one thru Marshaltown? Allen Rueter
On Wed, Dec 07, 2005 at 04:10:41PM -0500, Thomas Baker wrote:
Doug: --
------ Allen P Rueter o0000o Phone: 314/935-6429 email allen :) artsci.wustl.edu .oO* there are at least three sides to every issue.
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Re: MSTL Station Car Records
Brian J Carlson <brian@...>
Tom, are you a Yahoo member or just a group member? Anyone can join the
group, but only those with a Yahoo account can view the files area. At least that is how it used to be. Brian J Carlson
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Re: MSTL Station Car Records
Thomas Baker
Doug:
I am very interested in downloading what you have posted in regard to freight movements through the three towns but I cannot break into the system. I am puzzled about this since I am on the STMFC, although the site informs me that I am not a member. I receive the e-mails daily. Any idea what the problem is. Tom ________________________________ From: STMFC@... on behalf of Douglas Harding Sent: Tue 12/6/2005 2:09 PM To: STMFC@... Subject: [STMFC] MSTL Station Car Records Freight car fans I recently had brief access to some Station Books for the M&StL towns of Minburn and Dallas Center, Iowa. These towns are in the county west of Des Moines, Iowa. I was allowed to photocopy a few pages. I have created an Excel Spreadsheet which contains the Station Car Records for Minburn and Dallas Center Iowa for the years 1945 and 1949, and also contains some listings for 1944, 1946, 1947, 1948, 1950, & 1954. As these were hand written records, some were difficult to decipher, but I did my best. The record lists every car that was Received at Minburn and Dallas Center. What is really nice is the record lists where the car came from. Some of the records contain Code numbers, indicating a town/location on the M&StL. This Excel file has been added to the STMFPH files at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/STMFPH/files/ as there was no room in the regular group files. A few notations: I believe G Bx means an empty boxcar for grain loading. Corn and soybeans were loaded out, but almost nothing else. What is really interesting is the lack of Petroleum products delivered in 1945, remember WWII was still going on, but in 1949 Petroleum products dominate deliveries in Minburn. Also note that all Petroleum comes from TX, OK and KS. I can only assume that, as this line came out of Des Moines, that Petroleum products came to DM via the RI then interchanged with the M&StL. Can anyone shed any light on this? I am trying to track down the M&StL interchange for Petroleum products Another thing I noticed in 1945 was the M&StL must have been relaying track in the area. Lots of company cars and work trains. In the Dallas Center records I noticed a very interesting traffic pattern. In the summer of 1949 lots of tank cars with water were delivered to the city of Dallas Center, along with cars of pipe. The city must have lost its water supply, ie a drought or shallow wells dried up, and had to ship in water until a new system was installed. Deliveries began the later part of May and were regular until the end of August. Remember both of these communities are small rural towns in Iowa, neither had any manufacturing or factories. So it was Ag products out, basic necessities it. It gives a nice picture of the traffic such towns witnessed. This is also a wonderful record of the cars that were delivered. I look forward to comments and analysis. The file is in MS Excel, a spreadsheet program. If you do not have Excel, Microsoft offers a free viewer, so you can look and print. Go to http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=c8378bf4-996c-4569- b547-75edbd03aaf0&displaylang=EN Doug Harding Iowa Central Railroad http://d.harding.home.mchsi.com Yahoo! Groups Links
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Re: MDT "orange"
Ron Morse <ronstrainshop@...>
Ed
Thank you for the link. These then are the plain "MDT" not "NYC MDT" cars, that is where I was confused! Ron Morse NYC/C&O O scale no longer confused in cool Springfield,MO --- In STMFC@..., "ed_mines" <ed_mines@y...> wrote: R.R.) for the search you will find a picture of MDT 5721 taken in 1943which is lemon yellow (i.e. no red). There's another print of MDTreefers beneath a Pabst sign which shows the same color.but Kodachrome usually exaggerates color.
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Re: SSW decals - Blues
Tim Gilbert <tgilbert@...>
Shawn,
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For some good chemical reason, light to medium blues seems to have faded quicker than any other color in the 1950's. John Nehrich addressed this in one of his NEB&W Guides. Not only was the "blue" of the Blue Streak affected, but also the "blue" which the B&M applied to engines and boxcars in the mid-to-late 1950's. There should be other examples, too. Part of the problem may have been the rarity of a natural blue pigment which was stable. For instance, when I was in sixth grade, the headmaster took a sabbatical in India. In India, he found that all pigments except blue could be found naturally; thus, we six graders were forced to pony up pennies to buy blue paint to send to India. This fading did not seem to affect dark blue as much as lighter shades. In the modern day, the problem with blue seems to have been solved although Conrail Blue may be an example of quicker fading than say BN Green. Tim Gilbert Beckert, Shawn wrote:
I'm not clear on what the problem with the SSW herald faux pas is. But I have a photo of SSW 20067 taken in 1946 that shows a plainWhen new - or nearly new - the "Blue Streak" herald looked like this:
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Re: SSW decals
Andy Carlson
There is another option, a superior one in my
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estimation, in selecting heralds for the "Blue Streak" schemes. Tom Hood's CDS dry transfers for the Cotton Belt has at least 2 sets which does this herald very well, and unlike the aforementioned decals, comes out 100% opaque. The irritant to some about the need to layer the CDS's 2 different colors can be an asset for the more distressed forms Shawn cites (the heralds are done in single colored layers which are applied one over the other). Unfortunatly, CDS is going out of business soon and these fine sets will become difficult to obtain, so some searching now might be prudent. -Andy Carlson Ojai CA --- "Beckert, Shawn" <shawn.beckert@...> wrote: If you're going to model the car as Cotton
Belt intended the
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Re: SSW decals
Shawn Beckert
I'm not clear on what the problem with the SSW herald faux pas is.When new - or nearly new - the "Blue Streak" herald looked like this: http://www.railgoat.railfan.net/sswcars/by_number/33500-33849.htm Blue lightning bolt with white outline. The Champ decal set gets this correct, and I recommend using it for new or lightly weathered cars. With moderate weathering you get this: http://www.railgoat.railfan.net/sswcars/ssw_bytype/box/ssw_box.htm The blue is starting to fade, but the white outline is still there. The next two images show cars where the white outline is fading or almost gone: http://www.railgoat.railfan.net/sswcars/by_number/35175-35849.htm http://www.railgoat.railfan.net/sswcars/by_number/34800-35149.htm If you want to model a car that's really beat up from the elements, then go ahead and use the Micro Scale set, which doesn't have the white outline around the bolt. I suspect they didn't produce it with that effect in mind, but without the white outline, that's all it's good for.If you're going to model the car as Cotton Belt intended the paint job to look, you need the Champ set. Shawn Beckert
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Dome and a half Barret Tarvia tank car
Miller, Andrew S. <asmiller@...>
Tom,
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I too went back to Pennsy Power I and could not find the photo. I wonder now where I saw it. I built the car almost 30 years ago, so it was not a recent book. I distinctly remember the picture. It was a PRR freight on the corridor being pulled by a P5 electric. regards, Andy Miller
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From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Thomas M. Olsen Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 10:05 PM Hi Andy, I went looking for the Tarvia car behind an electric in Pennsy Power I but could not locate the photo in question. I also checked Pennsy Power II and III to no avail. . . . Tom Olsen Miller, Andrew S. wrote: An interesting photo appears in Pennsy Power I of a train containing asingle dome car modified to two compartments. It has a large dome in thelikely.
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Looking for a Photo of a CB&Q Composite Hopper and PC Gondola
rrhistorian
Hello all,
I am looking for the address photo that is on the web somewhere. In the foreground of the photo is a Penn Central Gondola (likely nee NYC - with a C. 1950 built date) and in the rear a CB&Q composite gondola in chinese-red paint with billboard "Everywhere West" lettering. The photograph was taken just south of Chicago Union Station (CUS) C. 1973. In the rear of the photograph the massive PRR/Western Warehousing freight terminal is being demolished. The CB&Q car was in a line of cars supplying coal to the steam plant. My specific interest in this photo is for use in illustrating a paper on the history of the PRR freight terminal. While I can remember the details of the photo clearly, I have not been able to relocate it after many hours of searching, My hope is that someone here will know the photo -- if for nothing else as this is a rather late date for a composite hopper to be in service. Many thanks, Tom Cornillie
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MDT "orange"
ed_mines
If you go to the library of congess photo web site -
http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/fsacquery.html and type in railroad freight cars (or yard or Illinois Central R.R.) for the search you will find a picture of MDT 5721 taken in 1943 which is lemon yellow (i.e. no red). There's another print of MDT reefers beneath a Pabst sign which shows the same color. I didn't find it today but there's also a photo of yellow MDT cars assigned to IC that are also yellow. All these photos were probably taken with the same batch of film but Kodachrome usually exaggerates color. Does anyone have anything definative on MDT orange? Ed
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Re: Small town oil distribution: cars/facilities/practices
jim peters
Gordon,
I'm a new member to the group - but in the past I was considering building a diorama of a small town oil distribution facility. The one article that may be just what you're looking for is of The Bulk Oil Depot at Devils Lake, N.D. December 1994, Railmodel Journal, page 12. There were a couple of others that might fit your needs - I'll go through my files tonight. Jim Peters Coquitlam, B.C. From: "Milepost 131" <mp131@...>_________________________________________________________________ Take charge with a pop-up guard built on patented Microsoft� SmartScreen Technology. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN� Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*.
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