Don Worthy wrote:
"Hey group, I ran across this shot of some PRR gons and hoppers and
noticed the wide range in shades of their colors. I don't see how
anyone could argue about someone's model being "off color"."

OK, Don, how many of these cars are painted Tuscan Red? Didn't think
so.

Everybody here agrees that weathering affects otherwise identical cars
in different ways, and this photo proves it beyond a shadow of a
doubt; however, I don't see how you can argue that properly
matching "as built" prototype colors can be a bad thing. Otherwise,
we'll still be running Tuscan Red Athearn twin hoppers on our layouts.


Ben Hom

--- In STMFC@..., "armand premo" <armprem@s...> wrote:

Grandt Line has an excellent kit of a typical small town oil
distribution facility..Armand Premo

I can attest to this. I purchased three on sale and will use them to
kitbash distribution facilities on my Alma branch layout. With photos,
measurements, and station plats I should be able to come up with models
that are pretty close to the prototype.

Jared Harper
Athens, GA

Hey group, I ran across this shot of some PRR gons and hoppers and noticed the wide range in shades of their colors. I don't see how anyone could argue about someone's model being "off color".

I'll try again to post this photo. I don't know if I can add it as an attachment.
Don Worthy


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---Mr. Groff may have some info on this subject from the 1920-1960
era in VA . His book on the rural as possibly can be Buckingham
Branch in C & o days talked a little about the petroleum products
distributor in Dillwyn ,VA.He also did a book on the soapstone
industry and rr and towns in the regions where the author of the
waltons stuff is from. Because of Mr. Groff's book I knew to buy a
pre ww2 built tank car to model the branch circa 1955.
Sincerely,

Tyler Turpin

In STMFC@..., "Clark Propst" <cepropst@n...> wrote:

Try Jeff Wilson's book 'Industries along the tracks' by Kalmbach.

It has a section on the oil industry, oil stuff on the cover. General
info and easy reading.

I have a friend who grew up in Britt, Iowa small town on the

Milwaukee east west main across northern Iowa and M&StL Albert Lea to
Ft Dodge, DM line. He lived there pre WWII. He hung around the tracks
as all good young boys should. As I remember his story the local oil
disb was on the Milw which had one siding with several spots. He
would put a siphon pipe in the car's dome, then start a small pump
that would suck the stuff out of the car into a storage tank. If the
Milw needed to spot a car passed his spot he would have to pull the
siphon pipe so the train crew could move his tank car and spot the
other car, then put his car back and he would have to start all over
again.

Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa

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Grandt Line has an excellent kit of a typical small town oil
distribution facility..Armand Premo

Try Jeff Wilson's book 'Industries along the tracks' by Kalmbach. It has a section on the oil industry, oil stuff on the cover. General info and easy reading.

I have a friend who grew up in Britt, Iowa small town on the Milwaukee east west main across northern Iowa and M&StL Albert Lea to Ft Dodge, DM line. He lived there pre WWII. He hung around the tracks as all good young boys should. As I remember his story the local oil disb was on the Milw which had one siding with several spots. He would put a siphon pipe in the car's dome, then start a small pump that would suck the stuff out of the car into a storage tank. If the Milw needed to spot a car passed his spot he would have to pull the siphon pipe so the train crew could move his tank car and spot the other car, then put his car back and he would have to start all over again.
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa

On a somewhat related topic, I just recieved my latest Keystone mag. On page
60 there's a photo of an X29 with numerals (328?) above the Pennsylvania
reporting mark. Ben any idea what these numbers mean? Todd Horton

--- In STMFC@..., Roger Hinman <rhinman@r...> wrote:

My suspicion on definitive orange is there may not have been one.

On

a painting diagram I have
for the 1947 white cars, it basically states white and a red

shade

for the two colors, no reference to
specific mfgs numbers as some other drawings have.

There is a very interesting photo in the LOC collection of 4
different MDT cars at a freight house, 3 have the faded
yellow appearance in the photos you mention below but the other is

a

much brighter orange more similar to the later color
used in the sixties, obviously having been freshly repainted. It
leads one to belive their choice of colors weathered very quickly.

Roger Hinman

If my memory is serving me correctly, the LA&SL book by Mark
Hemphill has a picture of a derailment with a close up shot of an
orange MDT refer.

Shay Stark

Another thing that makes me think that the white is just faded away is the
fact that the bolt "looks narrow" to me.

May be just my eyeballs, though.
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Thanks!

Brian Ehni

Rob Kirkham wrote:

One of your photos convinces me that its possible the herald
has a blue lightning bolt in this photo, but frankly, I still
have my doubts. So I scanned it at 2400 dpi and posted it to
the files section of STMPFC (or whatever its called). Its in
the file titled "blue streak", which you will find at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/STMFPH/files/.

Rob, after looking at the image, I can almost agree with you that
the lightning bolt looks to be entirely white. If so, it's the
first one I've ever seen on a steel car. The problem is that the
image is so fuzzy it's hard to tell for sure.

Can I get you to post the entire photo to the files? I'd like to
see the whole car before jumping to any conclusions.

Thanks,

Shawn Beckert

Hello....Is there a chance anyone might have the instructions to an HO
Ambroid poultry car kit? If so, I'd be happy to pay for postage and
copying expenses. I have a kit without instructions and that is a real
challenge. More challenge than I need right now. Would appreciate the
help. Thanks....Ed Loizeaux

Sunshine will be coming out with these cars next year. The semi-completed
masters were being passed around the Naperville Proto Meet in October. For
those afraid of resin, they'll be coming with one-piece bodies, and some of
the end grabs cast on as well.

Sunshine, as usual, will have the decals made by Rail Graphics in South
Elgin, and will have sets available for sale as individual items.

Ray Breyer

Dear Group,
There is a guy in Blue Island IL offering three Athearn Offset Hoppers as
lettered for the IC Historical Society on e-Bay which I would like to bid on
as stand-ins until I can get something more respectable. Unfortunately he
won't ship them but will only arrange for local pick-up. Nor will he accept
payment except by Money Order or Check, (he will probably take cash if
offered).
Is there any noble soul who lives nearby who would be willing to collect,
pay for and ship these items to me here in Botswana? I will meet all your
costs with pleasure. The Item number is 6020741800.
If you are willing, please contact me off line at rhwhite@....
Thank you very much
Richard White



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I am planning to attend Prototype Rails in Cocoa Beach. Anyone want to
go half on a room?

Jared Harper
Athens, GA
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Roger,

Let me broaden the question and narrow the year - would there likely be ANY MDT reefers in white paint in 1944 (the year I model)?


On Dec 7, 2005, at 6:18 PM, Roger Hinman wrote:

Unlikely, there is an excellent photo of one of the 6000 series cars
in the LOC collection
already painted in orange in the early 40s; given these were wood
sided cars, I doubt any survived the
war without a repaint and would have gotten the change.


I would love to see a photo to the contrary though

Roger Hinman

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Bruce

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Richand and Paul,

Thanks! I've gathered all this info together, printed it out, and filed in the kit box. Hopefully, soon, I'll get back to building some freight cars!

Jim Brewer
Glenwood MD

Rob Kirkham:

any thoughts on "bluing" the
bolt? I was thinking maybe an appropriately coloured pencil
crayon could be used to add just a hint of colour.

That's a pretty good idea. You want Prismacolor pencils. They're slightly waxy, and will stick
better. There is another brand that's common, Derwent, which are much more chalky, and don't really
stick to lettering very well, or other slick surfaces. They also HAVE to be overcoated, whereas
Prismas generally don't.

SGL

Well, OK - I already conceded its possible. I also concede my photo is not proof of anything because it just doesn't have the quality with which to judge with certainty. But I wish I could catch some hint of a boarder around the lightning bolt in this print. Each of the four photos on the web pages does have observable evidence of a border. But I see nothing in this black and white print. (Perhaps this is no surprise to those who understand the colour conversion characteristics of black and white film?)

I'll take this a different direction. Since I will be modelling this car in very faded condition from a LL P2K 50' car with factory paint intact, any thoughts on "bluing" the bolt? I was thinking maybe an appropriately coloured pencil crayon could be used to add just a hint of colour. I've ordered the CDS transfers, so will see whether they will work, but I expect they won't overlay the LL paint perfectly, and I don't want to have to remove the factory paint.

Rob Kirkham

On Dec 7, 2005, at 5:00 PM, James F. Brewer wrote:

Ok, I give up. I've been quietly following this thread as I have the same
Sunshine kit, albeit still in the box to be built.

On the running board, wood or metal?

Wood, Jim. Even when the KCS took them over and shopped them for general repairs in the mid-'50s, they didn't get metal RBs.

Richard Hendrickson

Allen, the thru line for the M&StL was the former Iowa Central line which
came down through Mason City, Marshalltown and Oskaloosa to Albia. At
Oskaloosa the line turned east to Peoria.

The original M&StL line out of Minneapolis/St. Paul came to Albert Lea then
headed towards Fort Dodge. Via various merger the M&StL got to Des Moines
via this line. This line never went any further south, but rather the M&StL
had trackage rights from DM to Albia via the Wabash. Dallas Center and
Minburn were on the DM to Fort Dodge line, between Waukee and Perry. The
cement plants in DM were a major source of traffic.

I can send a M&StL map off line if you would like or go to
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mstl/ to view the map.

Doug Harding (MSTL list owner)
Iowa Central Railroad
http://d.harding.home.mchsi.com