Thanks Ben! I had this article in my library, but had long forgotten it. I
really appreciate the info. It seems to confirm what I had thought, that the
Atlas rendition of the door isn't at all close to the prototype. I will either
need to scrap (IOW - sell off), or replace the doors on these cars. Again,
appreciate the into!

Take Care!

Brian R. Termunde
West Jordan, Utah

"Ship and Travel the Grand Canyon Line!"
Grand Canyon Railway
Utah District

--- In STMFC@..., Tony Thompson <thompsonmarytony@s...> wrote:

Mike Brock wrote:

Not only that. The late Terry Metcalfe's UP Modeler, Vol 1, shows
photos of
the consist of the UP Fast Mail in 1957 in Nebraska. Included is SP
5713 box
car fitted with steam lines in this case so one might not consider it
to be
a "plain" box car.

The 50 cars numbered 5700-5749, along with the 450 "Overnight"
box cars of Class B-50-24, were separately equipped with steam and
signal lines, tight-lock couplers, and marker light brackets, painted
SP Dark Olive with Dulux Gold lettering, and classed "BX" for head-end
service. By 1957 many had received GSC outside-equalizer trucks. They
were delivered with ASF A-3 trucks.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@s...
Publishers of books on railroad history

Additional photos of these cars: RP CYC, Vol. 6, p. 30 (SP 5700) and RP CYC, Vol. 8, p. 21
(SP 5712). The lettering on SP 5700 reads: "ASSIGNED NEW YORK CITY - CALIFORNIA
EXPRESS SERVICE."

Pat Wider

--- In STMFC@..., "ed_mines" <ed_mines@y...> wrote:

--- In STMFC@..., "Beckert, Shawn" <shawn.beckert@d...>
wrote:
One of the latest images posted on the Los Angeles Public

Library web site shows ordinary boxcars being loaded with
Christmas mail on the Union Pacific in Los Angeles, headed
for the east coast. The picture is dated December 4, 1945:

http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics45/00057025.jpg

The Erie box car looks like it had a yellow diamond!

Ed

The ACF bills of materials indicate that Erie box cars built 7-46 (lot 2862) had Dulux Gold
and black monograms yet those built 1-42 (lot 2288) had white monograms.

Pat Wider

I have finally gotten around to dealing with the USH panelside triple hopper car (unfortunately I have only an old set of Walthers decals but will live with them); can anyone point me toward a good view of either the NYC or P&LE ones (a list member several months ago having confirmed my suspicion that there were no others), preferably in the black scheme (I really would prefer not to strip and repaint)?
And I foolishly did not even note the number series for them, either, when the kind informant told me what I would have preferred not to hear.

Jace Kahn, General Manager
Ceres and Canisteo RR Co.

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Andy,

I don't know if this is the same car or not, but Sylvan makes a GTW
rebuild. See:

http://www.isp.on.ca/Sylvan/ho-scaleproducts.htm

Regards,

Mike

I have just screened a color slide I recently
purchased, the subject is a Pacific Lumber Co (of
Scotia, CA) steam switch engine spotting some boxcars
for loading. I was interested in one of the cars, a
GTW 40' steel rebuild of a former woodside 7/8 ended
boxcar. The car has 10 side panels, plus an
interesting splice between the 7/8 end panels- a
single "pickle fork" dreadnaught inspired rib. I am
interested in making a model of this car, and I am
asking for information on this car's roof. I am unable
to make out the car's number, so I am asking this
group for the info I need. Can anyone direct me to
some published data on this car?

Thanks,
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

There are two excellent references on hand brakes:

21st Century Clinics edited by Anthony Thompson and Peter Weiglin, 21st Century

Limited, PO Box 2801, Alameda, CA 94501 and

Railway Prototype Cyclopedia #10, RP Cyc Publishing Company, PO Box 451,

Chesterfield, MO 63006-0451.

I don't know if either reference is still available but members of this list can answer that

question and I ask that they do so.

Gene Green

There are beaucoup copies of Railway Prototype Cyclopedia, Volume 10, still available
direct from the address listed above for $24.95.

Pat Wider

While the photos are nice, only the moderator and poster can see the full
size image if they are in the Photo section.

Could you either move them to the files area, or email them to me? I'm on
broadband, so size is not an issue.
--
Thanks!

Brian Ehni

I have just screened a color slide I recently
purchased, the subject is a Pacific Lumber Co (of
Scotia, CA) steam switch engine spotting some boxcars
for loading. I was interested in one of the cars, a
GTW 40' steel rebuild of a former woodside 7/8 ended
boxcar. The car has 10 side panels, plus an
interesting splice between the 7/8 end panels- a
single "pickle fork" dreadnaught inspired rib. I am
interested in making a model of this car, and I am
asking for information on this car's roof. I am unable
to make out the car's number, so I am asking this
group for the info I need. Can anyone direct me to
some published data on this car?

Thanks,
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

I was born in Encino in the very late 1950's, and lived in the SFV until the late 1980's. Then returned for a short period before moving here to Salt Lake two years ago. While I unfortunately missed the steam era itself. I was able to see a few related things before they disappeared completely. So these photos are a great reminder of what once was.

Thanks!

Take Care!

Brian R. Termunde
West Jordan, UT
"Ship and Travel the Grand Canyon Line!"

Grand Canyon Railway
Utah District

Gerard, the e-mail address I have for you doesn't work. Please contact me off-line.

Richard Hendrickson

I have posted 6 photos in the STMFPH site under the Richard W. folder.
These photos are part of a group that I acquired earlier this year.
They appear to be something NP or Paccar put together to show the NP
Refrigerator Car series built by Pacific Car & Foundry in 1947. The
views I posted are side and 3/4 views of NP 91072 as well as an end
view of this car. The other 3 views are side, 3/4, and top view of the
A-3 truck used under this car. The other views I have but not posted
are underframe construction, interior with insulation being installed,
as well as roof construction views. About 15 photos in all.

I realize that the photos are small under the photos section but the
size I scanned in would overload the available space.

Enjoy !

Richard Wilkens

Brian

This page has a view looking the other direction. (actually 2 views, 3 images).

http://catalog1.lapl.org/cgi-bin/cw_cgi?resultsScreen+31217+1+2+2

We moved into the San Fernando Valley in 1951 (just 40 years later). We lived at the end of continuous occupation. There were small villages past us, but from our track east it was continuously occupied. Oh yes, we lived near Magnolia and Woodman, just south of the Chandler (Burbank) branch.

Yes, it is hard to imagine it looked lik this!

Peter
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Thanks Peter. It's hard to believe that the San Fernando Valley (where I grew up) ever looked like that! <G>

Take Care!

Brian R. Termunde
West Jordan, Utah

"Ship and Travel the Grand Canyon Line!"
Grand Canyon Railway
Utah District

--
Peter J. McClosky
Formerly of Los Angeles, CA
Now Living in Eugene, Oregon
http://home.earthlink.net/~pmcclosky
pmcclosky@...

http://www.trainboard.com/ultimatebb.php/ubb/get_topic/f/9/t/005199/p
/1.html

I think anyone that's interested can look at that thread without
being a member. There's no real secret about the technique, but if
you have more questions, shoot me an email offline.

Sorry Mr. Brock!

Mike Skibbe
www.cgwrr.com

--- In STMFC@..., "bierglaeser" <bierglaeser@y...> wrote:

Whether it belongs on this list or not, I, too, would like to know.
Gene Green
Out in the West Texas Town of El Paso

--- In STMFC@..., "jerryglow2" <jerryglow@c...> wrote:

Why off list - inquiring minds want to know. I think corn can be
considered a potential load or product enough to qualify it as

valid

subject matter for the list.

Jerry Glow

--- In STMFC@..., "James F. Brewer" <jfbrewer@c...>

wrote:

Mike,

Could you please reply to me off list to advise how you

created

the

corn?

Many thanks.

Jim Brewer
Glenwood MD
jfbrewer@c...

Hi again,
I have a photo of a DL&W express boxcar (40', 10'IH, 6' door) equipped with steam lines and the reason I bought the photo...sitting on Allied Full Cushion trucks! Talk about a "plain" car...none of the usual "Phoebe Snow" slogan, just DL&W reporting marks. I think these were common at the head end of Lackawanna trains judging by various photos of them I've seen, except for the AFC trucks!
Bud Rindfleisch

The trainman on the car from SP may of '46, is giving an "easy" or "steady" signal which was given just before swinging a stop signal which we called "that'll do". The only hand signal associated with a strike was usually a raised fist! I was involved in a wildcat strike back in Feb. 1969 after only 3 yrs on the RR. Remember seeing guys with 40 yrs seniority on the outside looking in. I had just closed on my first house and remember thinking I'm glad the wife was working!
Bud Rindfleisch
conductor, South Buffalo Rwy

Whether it belongs on this list or not, I, too, would like to know.
Gene Green
Out in the West Texas Town of El Paso

--- In STMFC@..., "jerryglow2" <jerryglow@c...> wrote:

Why off list - inquiring minds want to know. I think corn can be
considered a potential load or product enough to qualify it as

valid

subject matter for the list.

Jerry Glow

--- In STMFC@..., "James F. Brewer" <jfbrewer@c...>

wrote:

Mike,

Could you please reply to me off list to advise how you created

the

corn?

Many thanks.

Jim Brewer
Glenwood MD
jfbrewer@c...

I know that roof walks went thru many changes (wood/steel/banned).
But I don't know when the RRs stopped using brake wheels on box cars
that stuck up above the roof line. Was this one of those deals that
first was prohibited equipment on new cars - then prohibited from
interchange? Any one have dates(year is close enough)? Were the
car top brake wheels associated with a particular type of brake?
If the car was converted to some later brake type was the wheel
moved to the "on the end" location? Always? Did some cars equipped
with these survive in MOW service for a long time after they were
banned in interchange (or was it just a few years)? Would it have
been "exceedingly rare" to see a car top brake wheel in the 50's?
In the 40's? Quite common in the 30's?
(I'm not certain what the correct term is for this equipment -
so I just used something that makes it easy to figure it out.)

In a message dated 11/16/2005 1:58:28 A.M. Mountain Standard Time,
rhwhite@... writes:

Thanking all of you in advance for the numerous erudite responses which will
follow.


---> Richard, I sure hope you get more replies then I did with my question
regarding PS-1 doors...


Take Care!

Brian R. Termunde
West Jordan, Utah

"Ship and Travel the Grand Canyon Line!"
Grand Canyon Railway
Utah District

Dear Group,
I bought one of these in a lot on e-bay.
It looks rather toy like, due to the garish red and black colours, and is
lettered "The Southern Railroad" and "New 7-51".
Does this car represent a prototype, and if so, which roads used it and is
it appropriate for the sream era?
Thanking all of you in advance for the numerous erudite responses which will
follow.
Richard White



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Dear Group,
Do any of you have an interior view of a coal hopper in colour to help me
with weathering some recently built models?
Thank you in advance
Richard White



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