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Re: bomb shipments

C J Wyatt
 

<<

ERIE 78292
WRR <sic> 84221 <WABASH?>
Jack couldn't that be "Ware River Railroad"? Is that one
of those oddball cars Sunshine did?

No - you must be thinking of Warrior River Terminal Company. The number is
not in WRT's box car number series. The number is consistent with a Wabash
box car series. However the conductor would have to have been inconsistent
for it to be Wabash, since he mostly abbreviated Wabash as WAB. However I
found another WRR in the Conductor's Book that also had a number that was
consistent with a Wabash series. I'm casting my vote for Wabash.

Jack Wyatt


Re: bomb shipments

Tim O'Connor
 

ERIE 78292
WRR <sic> 84221 <WABASH?>
Jack couldn't that be "Ware River Railroad"? Is that one
of those oddball cars Sunshine did?


Re: bomb shipments

C J Wyatt
 

For your enjoyment and enlightenment:

Southern Railway train 1/50 departing Asheville, NC for Spencer, NC at 10:45
pm, 1/3/1944.

engine 5026, caboose X2914, 25 box cars of bombs destined Newport News.

ATSF 125732
IC 25671
MKT 76265
NKP 16828
NYC117902
SOU 14035
B&O 465058
N&W 47056
PM 83099
C&O 8666
UP 306170
IC 14890
IC 19974
NYC 277468
ERIE 75044
PRR 79819
ATSF 129069
MP 94507
CB&Q 31860
CB&Q 33000
SOU 22328
ERIE 78292
WRR <sic> 84221 <WABASH?>
NP 27304
P&LE 35796

Jack Wyatt


Re: bomb shipments

C J Wyatt
 

<<
Hello list,
The recent discussion of shipping of 500 lb bombs in boxcars
coincided with an article in yesterday's Sunday newspaper magazine "The
Parade". It was not about the means of shipment but about the use of
black Naval personel strictly to load and uload these bombs and the
inherent dangers associated with. Anyways, there is a photo of a group
unloading a Northern Pacific 40' steel boxcar at a pier. Sorry, can't
tell anymore about the car, AAR, roof type, ends, etc. Not enough is
shown of the car.
Bud Rindfleisch
The most infamous example was, of course, the Port Chicago disaster during
WWII:

http://intergate.cccoe.k12.ca.us/pc/the_explosion.htm

Anyhow back to bomb shipments, I wonder during WWII what condition was
required for box cars to carry bombs? I suspect they tended to be the better
cars. In more modern times during my car distributor years, I asked a fellow
distributor about box cars for bombs (my specialty was covered hoppers). If
I remember right what he said, the cars must not have any holes in the
floor, and they were equipped with shields to keep sparks caused by the
braking action from flying up under the car. I didn't ask what these shields
look like. Is anyone familar with them? I also am curious if such devices
were used on the WWII bomb cars?

Jack Wyatt


Re: bomb shipments

Brian Paul Ehni <behni@...>
 

I think the shields were required after the big Roseville explosions (during
Viet Nam, and therefore out of this lists' time frame), but not before. The
after incident report pointed to these sparks as being a possible cause.
--

Brian Ehni

From: Jack Wyatt <cjwyatt@...>
Reply-To: <STMFC@...>
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2005 23:04:40 -0500
To: <STMFC@...>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] bomb shipments


<<
Hello list,
The recent discussion of shipping of 500 lb bombs in boxcars
coincided with an article in yesterday's Sunday newspaper magazine "The
Parade". It was not about the means of shipment but about the use of
black Naval personel strictly to load and uload these bombs and the
inherent dangers associated with. Anyways, there is a photo of a group
unloading a Northern Pacific 40' steel boxcar at a pier. Sorry, can't
tell anymore about the car, AAR, roof type, ends, etc. Not enough is
shown of the car.
Bud Rindfleisch
The most infamous example was, of course, the Port Chicago disaster during
WWII:

http://intergate.cccoe.k12.ca.us/pc/the_explosion.htm

Anyhow back to bomb shipments, I wonder during WWII what condition was
required for box cars to carry bombs? I suspect they tended to be the better
cars. In more modern times during my car distributor years, I asked a fellow
distributor about box cars for bombs (my specialty was covered hoppers). If
I remember right what he said, the cars must not have any holes in the
floor, and they were equipped with shields to keep sparks caused by the
braking action from flying up under the car. I didn't ask what these shields
look like. Is anyone familar with them? I also am curious if such devices
were used on the WWII bomb cars?

Jack Wyatt







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Re: Ordnance Works and Freight Cars

steamgene@...
 

An unfuzed bomb that has not been dropped from a plane is not
very dangerous as long as you don't take a blowtorch to it.
Gene Moser
From: "Schuyler Larrabee" <schuyler.larrabee@...>
Date: 2005/02/07 Mon PM 10:07:36 EST
To: <STMFC@...>
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Ordnance Works and Freight Cars




-----Original Message-----
From: Garth Groff
the UP was still finding unexploded 500 pound bombs [in
Roseville]
when they rebuilt the yard in the 1990s.
Gee, were there any "incidents?"

SGL





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Re: (unknown)

Schuyler Larrabee
 

That's about right, though I'd consider it an upgrade from Main Line. Kinda
in-between the two. I have a Canadian Northern car, and I think another, not
sure. Made up into nice models, at least at that time (mid-70s).

SGL

-----Original Message-----
From: Roger Aultman [mailto:raul@...]
Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 4:34 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] (unknown)


I have one of those for Barf Beer. I would liken it more to
Main Line
than LaBelle. Roger Aultman



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Does anyone know anything about a company (probably long
since defunct) called Canadian Railway Models? At one time
they offered U.S. and Canadian prototype truss rod reefers in
34', 36' and 38' lengths. My guess is the construction was
basswood with cast metal details.

How was their quality in comparison, let's say, with a
LaBelle, an Ambroid, or a Main Line kit?

As time allows I'll plow through my collection of Model
Railroaders from the '50s in search of their ads or maybe a
product review.

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Re: Ordnance Works and Freight Cars

Schuyler Larrabee
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Garth Groff
the UP was still finding unexploded 500 pound bombs [in Roseville]
when they rebuilt the yard in the 1990s.
Gee, were there any "incidents?"

SGL


Re: 1941 ACF L&N 1937 AAR boxcar found in Nashville, TN

Garrett W. Rea <Garrett.Rea@...>
 

--- In STMFC@..., "jhb9498" <bilbrey98@h...> wrote:

Gene,

I tried but I think I might have crashed the Photos section.

Sorry all,
James Bilbrey
James, I think the files section of this grouep is full, I think they
have to be posted here:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/STMFPH/

Cheers-

Garrett Rea
Mount Juliet, TN


New Group for the former Tennessee Central

Garrett W. Rea <Garrett.Rea@...>
 

All:

For those with interest in the Tennessee Central, we have started a
new group to focus on the operations and finescale modelling of the
railroad until its demise in 1968.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TC-SIG/

We are hoping to tap into some of the freightcars owned by the line
once we make sense of a lot of archival and ORER data.

Cordially-

Garrett Rea
Nashville, TN


Re: San Francisco Bay Area PM Meet?

jaley <jaley@...>
 

On Feb 7, 5:59pm, Richard Hendrickson wrote:
Subject: RE: [STMFC] San Francisco Bay Area PM Meet?
I don't know all of those listed as organizers of this meeting,
but the ones I do know are all modern era modelers, which strikes me as
a
bit ominous. I therefore e-mailed for more information. If the
proposed
meeting is, in fact, going to be devoted largely or entirely to modern
era
prototype modeling, then it's not worth my while to travel close to 400
miles each way to attend it. I'll let y'all know what I find out.

Richard H. Hendrickson
Ashland, Oregon 97520

Richard,

We share the same concern. The photos from last year include some
very finely done modern diesels, and little else. I was hoping some of
the locals (e.g. Mssrs. Thompson and Culotta) could offer some endorsement
of this event. Otherwise, I'll wait for the Sunshine meet in Pleasanton.

Regards,

-Jeff

P.S. I believe it is a great credit to the SF Bay Area if they can support
both modern-era and steam-era PM meets.

P.P.S. I noted that the original announcement was addressed to various
email lists including the Modern Freight Cars List (MFCL), but not the
STMFC...

--
Jeff Aley jaley@...
DPG Chipsets Product Engineering
Intel Corporation, Folsom, CA
(916) 356-3533


Re: San Francisco Bay Area PM Meet?

Richard Hendrickson
 

Jack Burgess writes:

I obviously didn't read the original post close enough! This is a fantastic
facility...I was the Project Manager for both phases of the project (the
second phase has four indoor pools). Assuming that you will be using the
Meeting Room in the first phase, it is equipped with a computer video
project and screen, etc.
So if anything malfunctions, we can call you, right?

Seriously, I find it curious that anyone would put on a prototype modelers'
meet in Jack Burgess' home town of Newark without inviting Jack - who
deserves the title of "Mr. Prototype Modeler" in the Bay Area if anyone
does, since he's been doing it longer and better than anyone else I can
think of. I don't know all of those listed as organizers of this meeting,
but the ones I do know are all modern era modelers, which strikes me as a
bit ominous. I therefore e-mailed for more information. If the proposed
meeting is, in fact, going to be devoted largely or entirely to modern era
prototype modeling, then it's not worth my while to travel close to 400
miles each way to attend it. I'll let y'all know what I find out.

Richard H. Hendrickson
Ashland, Oregon 97520


Re: San Francisco Bay Area PM Meet?

Jack Burgess <jack@...>
 

I obviously didn't read the original post close enough! This is a fantastic
facility...I was the Project Manager for both phases of the project (the
second phase has four indoor pools). Assuming that you will be using the
Meeting Room in the first phase, it is equipped with a computer video
project and screen, etc.

Jack Burgess
www.yosemitevalleyrr.com


Box car interiors [Was: MILW Rib-Side cars]

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Richard Hendrickson wrote:
Jeff, the MILW made their own welded panel doors, which were unusually thin
and fit outside the upper door tracks. As a result, the widest point on
the cars wasn't the doors but the side ladders. By putting flush panels
behind the ladders and grabs on the sides, it was possible to get another
couple of inches of inside width without having the ladders exceed the
then-current AAR clearance diagram.
Sounds brilliant on Milwaukee's part; but the AAR, like the ARA and MCB before them, had attempted to standardize interior dimensions of box cars for the convenience of shippers. You may think that an enlargement couldn't hurt, but for those who pre-cut bracing and other dunnage for their loads, the Milwaukee cars would have been an irritation.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2942 Linden Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: San Francisco Bay Area PM Meet?

Jim Scott
 

Jeff:

Like I said earlier, contact Rob and he can fill you in. I talked
with him about it last week and it sounds very interesting and is on
a larger scale than the one held previously two years ago.

Jim Scott
Lompoc, CA.

-- In STMFC@..., jaley <jaley@p...> wrote:
On Feb 7, 4:24pm, Jack Burgess wrote:
Subject: RE: [STMFC] San Francisco Bay Area PM Meet?

It is an invitational layout operation event...see

http://www.bayrails.org/

Jack Burgess
www.yosemitevalleyrr.com
Jack,

Thanks, but that's not the event I am referring to. (There's
lots
of good stuff happening in the Bay Area, eh?).

For clarification, here's the email that I received:

[QUOTE]

Mark you calendars to attend the second annual San Francisco Bay
Area
Prototype Modelers (BAPM) meet in Newark, CA. We've reserved the
space
and
are planning for a great get together! Spend a day with local
prototype
railroad modelers, visit with and see the manufacturer tables,
attend some
great clinics, and enjoy a fun-filled raffle!

We welcome modelers of all roads, scales, and eras.

What: Bay Area Prototype Modelers Meet 2005

When: Saturday, April 30, 2005
10:00 a.m. - 5:00 p.m.

Where: George M. Silliman Activity Center
6800 Mowry Avenue
Newark CA 94560

Map: http://shorterlink.com/?4I6JKO

Registration: Before April 16: $15.00
After April 16: $18.00

Bringing together railroad prototype modelers from across Northern
California and Northern Nevada, this event will feature:
- Clinics on prototype and modeling subjects
- Display tables for models - and bring along those unfinished
projects!
- Manufacturer tables - see the latest parts and kits
- Raffle for great prizes!

For a look back at BAPM 2003 held in conjunction with CP
MaggieFest, visit
these sites:
www.geocities.com/crimlawhelp/cpmf
http://www.geocities.com/crimlawhelp/cpmfabout.html
http://www.pbase.com/espeeboy/cpmf03_bapm
http://www.pbase.com/espeeboy/cpmf03

For more information on BAPM 2005, please contact:

Rob Sarberenyi
37171 Sycamore St. #1427
Newark CA 94560

Email: espeef5@p...

Include a SASE with written inquiries.

Make checks or money orders payable to: Rob Sarberenyi c/o BAPM
You can also pre-pay via PayPal, contact espeef5@p... for details:

When registering be sure to include your:
Name
Address
City
State
ZIP
Phone (optional)
Email

The local BAPM Organizing Committee includes:
- Elizabeth Allen
- Thom Anderson
- Ryan Martin
- Bob Pires
- Dave Pires
- Rob Sarberenyi
- Harry Wong

Additional resources include:
- Tim Costello
- Dave Hussey
- Brian Rutherford

We are currently preparing topics for clinics/presentations.
Additional
details on BAPM 2005 will be available soon.


Rob Sarberenyi
espeef5@p...

--
Jeff Aley jaley@p...
DPG Chipsets Product Engineering
Intel Corporation, Folsom, CA
(916) 356-3533


Re: MILW Rib-Side cars

jaley <jaley@...>
 

On Feb 7, 4:27pm, Richard Hendrickson wrote:
Subject: Re: [STMFC] MILW Rib-Side cars

Jeff Aley wrties:

I didn't really understand the comments about the later cars with the
flat
sections on either side of the doors. The article said that this was
done
to allow the cars to be built slightly wider, while fitting in the same
loading gauge. I don't see how this helps, unless the door tracks had
a
"jog" in them, or the doors were akin to plug doors.
Jeff, the MILW made their own welded panel doors, which were unusually
thin
and fit outside the upper door tracks. As a result, the widest point on
the cars wasn't the doors but the side ladders. By putting flush panels
behind the ladders and grabs on the sides, it was possible to get
another
couple of inches of inside width without having the ladders exceed the
then-current AAR clearance diagram.

Richard H. Hendrickson
Ashland, Oregon 97520

Richard,

Thanks for the clarification. I got confused because the photos
also show a non-ribbed section on either side of the door opening, and I
thought that these were the panels to which you had referred.

Regards,

-Jeff

--
Jeff Aley jaley@...
DPG Chipsets Product Engineering
Intel Corporation, Folsom, CA
(916) 356-3533


Re: San Francisco Bay Area PM Meet?

jaley <jaley@...>
 

On Feb 7, 4:24pm, Jack Burgess wrote:
Subject: RE: [STMFC] San Francisco Bay Area PM Meet?

It is an invitational layout operation event...see

http://www.bayrails.org/

Jack Burgess
www.yosemitevalleyrr.com
Jack,

Thanks, but that's not the event I am referring to. (There's lots
of good stuff happening in the Bay Area, eh?).

For clarification, here's the email that I received:

[QUOTE]

Mark you calendars to attend the second annual San Francisco Bay Area
Prototype Modelers (BAPM) meet in Newark, CA. We've reserved the space
and
are planning for a great get together! Spend a day with local prototype
railroad modelers, visit with and see the manufacturer tables, attend some
great clinics, and enjoy a fun-filled raffle!

We welcome modelers of all roads, scales, and eras.

What: Bay Area Prototype Modelers Meet 2005

When: Saturday, April 30, 2005
10:00 a.m. - 5:00 p.m.

Where: George M. Silliman Activity Center
6800 Mowry Avenue
Newark CA 94560

Map: http://shorterlink.com/?4I6JKO

Registration: Before April 16: $15.00
After April 16: $18.00

Bringing together railroad prototype modelers from across Northern
California and Northern Nevada, this event will feature:
- Clinics on prototype and modeling subjects
- Display tables for models - and bring along those unfinished projects!
- Manufacturer tables - see the latest parts and kits
- Raffle for great prizes!

For a look back at BAPM 2003 held in conjunction with CP MaggieFest, visit
these sites:
www.geocities.com/crimlawhelp/cpmf
http://www.geocities.com/crimlawhelp/cpmfabout.html
http://www.pbase.com/espeeboy/cpmf03_bapm
http://www.pbase.com/espeeboy/cpmf03

For more information on BAPM 2005, please contact:

Rob Sarberenyi
37171 Sycamore St. #1427
Newark CA 94560

Email: espeef5@...

Include a SASE with written inquiries.

Make checks or money orders payable to: Rob Sarberenyi c/o BAPM
You can also pre-pay via PayPal, contact espeef5@... for details:

When registering be sure to include your:
Name
Address
City
State
ZIP
Phone (optional)
Email

The local BAPM Organizing Committee includes:
- Elizabeth Allen
- Thom Anderson
- Ryan Martin
- Bob Pires
- Dave Pires
- Rob Sarberenyi
- Harry Wong

Additional resources include:
- Tim Costello
- Dave Hussey
- Brian Rutherford

We are currently preparing topics for clinics/presentations. Additional
details on BAPM 2005 will be available soon.


Rob Sarberenyi
espeef5@...

--
Jeff Aley jaley@...
DPG Chipsets Product Engineering
Intel Corporation, Folsom, CA
(916) 356-3533


Re: MILW Rib-Side cars

Richard Hendrickson
 

Jeff Aley wrties:

I didn't really understand the comments about the later cars with the flat
sections on either side of the doors. The article said that this was done
to allow the cars to be built slightly wider, while fitting in the same
loading gauge. I don't see how this helps, unless the door tracks had a
"jog" in them, or the doors were akin to plug doors.
Jeff, the MILW made their own welded panel doors, which were unusually thin
and fit outside the upper door tracks. As a result, the widest point on
the cars wasn't the doors but the side ladders. By putting flush panels
behind the ladders and grabs on the sides, it was possible to get another
couple of inches of inside width without having the ladders exceed the
then-current AAR clearance diagram.

Richard H. Hendrickson
Ashland, Oregon 97520


Re: San Francisco Bay Area PM Meet?

Jim Scott
 

Jeff,

Contact the following espeef5@.... Rob can
fill you in on the details. It isn't the Sunshine
Models meet in Pleasanton.

Jim Scott
Lompoc, CA.
--- jaley <jaley@...> wrote:

I have recently received info about a Bay Area PM
Meet (BAPM) on April 30.
I have never heard of this before. Does anyone
know if this is a
modern-era focused meet, or is it something that we
STMFC-types should
attend?

Note: This is NOT the Sunshine Models meet in
Pleasanton.

Thanks,

-Jeff

--
Jeff Aley jaley@...
DPG Chipsets Product Engineering
Intel Corporation, Folsom, CA
(916) 356-3533

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Re: 1941 ACF L&N 1937 AAR boxcar found in Nashville, TN

jaley <jaley@...>
 

On Feb 7, 3:37am, jhb9498 wrote:
Subject: [STMFC] Re: 1941 ACF L&N 1937 AAR boxcar found in Nashville, TN


Gene,

I tried but I think I might have crashed the Photos section.

Sorry all,
James Bilbrey

James,

Well, I wouldn't say, "crashed", but it did fill up. I have just
deleted dehusman's C&NW box car photos. I did save them to my hard drive
before deleting, so if dehusman (or anyone else) wants a copy, drop me a
note.

Regards,

-Jeff

--
Jeff Aley jaley@...
DPG Chipsets Product Engineering
Intel Corporation, Folsom, CA
(916) 356-3533

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