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Re: Speedwitch Update

joe binish <joebinish@...>
 

Ted,
Good news. I received the Southern boxcar decals and am very impressed.
Any idea when the journal will be available?
Joe Binish


Re: What did REA Refrigerator carry ?

jerryglow2
 

I believe in a clinic, Martin Loftin indicated they often carried dry
goods in off season.

Jerry Glow

--- In STMFC@..., Anthony Thompson <thompson@s...> wrote:

All of PFE's express refrigerator cars were in the REA pool,
I
believe that was true of most other roads in the REA pool, that all
the
company's express cars were so assigned. So if you had a load
of "first
crop" strawberries and wanted to ship it east in a hurry, you called
REA.

Tony Thompson


Re: Is there any plate or serial number on freight cars?

Tim Gilbert <tgilbert@...>
 

Steve Fuchs wrote:

I have run into problems identifying some freight cars. Is there a
builders plate, serial number or something else that would identify a
car builder? Also, I am interested in the 50's and 60's. Is there a
group like this that deals with the decade emediately after the era
discussed in this group?
Steve,

Go to the Baby Boomers Freight Car List at bbfcl-subscribe@... for 1960's discussions. The BBFCL's Fuhrer is Tim O'Connor who believes in Harikari.

Tim Gilbert


Re: non coal revenue hoppers

Tim Gilbert <tgilbert@...>
 

--- In STMFC@..., "rwitt_2000" <rmwitt@i...> wrote:
Bulk materials with densities greater than coal typically would be
carried in twin hoppers. For the B&O, since they had so many AAR
off-set side twin hoppers, those would be the ones seen. Photographs
and movie records confirm this. (SNIP for brevity>
Dean Payne wrote:

Didn't we see some photos of "slope sheet only" loading a while back?

I think it was for limestone/slag or something. I've never seen this
modeled. I suppose I could be talked into trying... Using HO ballast,
maybe? And, why slope sheet and not just "fill to this line"? The center of
gravity would be better, but I doubt that was any concern...
To load a car to the full Load Limit, the load had to extend beyond the truck centers - if all the weight was between the bolsters, the car could have its back broken. On Flat Cars and Drop End Gons, if the length of the load was 18' or less, the load could weigh only 75% of the LD LMT if a car had a fishbelly sidesill and 66.6% if it had another type of Sill. If the load was less than 10' on a Fixed End Gon, only 40% of the Load Limit could be loaded; between 10'-20', 50%; between 20' & 24', 60%; over 24' to the truck centers, 75%; and 100% if the load stretched beyond the truck bolsters.

While I don't have the "penalties" vs. the Load Limit, I do know that hoppers loaded with iron ore on the Ore Train between Erie PA and Bethlehem PA had that ore pile high up on the slope sheet so as to maximize the load limit of the 70 Ton Hoppers. I don't know what the procedure was if the load slipped off the slope sheet, but since the practice was followed for years, I suspect that it was not considered to be much of a problem - after all, the Ore Train was more of a plodder than a high speed manifest.

Tim Gilbert


Re: O Scale and Proto48 comments (was: Freytag Book For Sale)

allmansipe <lallman@...>
 

Hello Gene
Received an e-mail from Ed Bommer that Yahoo was "cleaning house"
and had just removed several lists. Perhaps that is what happened to
the previous list.

Keep Smilin'
Len Allman

--- In STMFC@..., "Gene Deimling" <losgatos48@c...>
wrote:
I just replaced the old Proto48 group on Yahoo with a new one.
The previous moderator pulled the group for some reason.

The new forum can be found at
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/p48_modeler/


Gene Deimling

--- In STMFC@..., GCRDS@a... wrote:


In a message dated 6/9/2005 4:23:31 P.M. Mountain Daylight
Time,
atkott@s... writes:

Hey, Justin -

What happened to the Oscale and Proto48 Yahoo groups?? I
cannot
access
either one of them! Probably some N scaler gave them a virus!
A.T. Kott


---> Oh I rather doubt that, us Normal Scalers are perfectly
coNteNt with
our ChoseN scale. If somethiNg like that happeNed, it more
likely
would be some
disgruNtled HOer! <G> We N scalers oNly feel sympathy for
those
misguided
soles N those other scales! We hope that you all will oNe day
see
the light
aNd coNvert to the oNe true scale! <VBG>


Take Care!

Brian R. Termunde
West Jordan, Utah

"Ship and Travel the Grand Canyon Line!"
Grand Canyon Railway
Utah District





Re: What did REA Refrigerator carry ?

Fred in Vt. <pennsy@...>
 

Tom,

REA cars from the Boston, MA area used to carry the following:
S S Pierce & Co specialty food items & liquors
Sealtest ice cream mix
Chocolates loaded in Everett,Ma[Russell Stover?]
Old Mr Boston liquor products
Necco / New England Confectionary Co
Iced barrells of lobsters & other seafood

As you see, there are many possibilities. Check in the area of your modeling interest, and the list may be very different.

Fred Freitas

----- Original Message -----
From: rrhistorian
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 5:42 PM
Subject: [STMFC] What did REA Refrigerator carry ?


Hello all,

How did the commodities carried by Railway Express Agency refrigerator
cars used on passenger trains differ from those owned by the railroads
or companies like Pacific Fruit Express? Was there competition or
overlap in the services offered by REA and conventional railroad
refrigerator service?

I am particularly interested in how the cars built for REA in 1957 by
General American Transportation were used.

Many thanks,
Tom Cornillie




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Speedwitch Update

Ted Culotta <tculotta@...>
 

The email about the ATSF stock car decals is a good segue to provide an update on Speedwitch. There are several new decal sets and there is also an update on what's going on with other things (click on the "Latest Speedwitch News" link on the right above the main "Newest Releases" bar.)

I will be moving early the week of June 20th. Paypal orders will still ship in an uninterrupted fashion as I will have inventory with me. Mail orders may be slowed slightly. The new address will be posted the middle of this week.

Regards,
Ted Culotta

Speedwitch Media
100 14th Avenue, San Mateo, CA 94402
info@...
www.speedwitch.com
(650) 787-1912


Re: Tichy was Re: Walthers USRA hoppers

William Keene <wakeene@...>
 

Ben,

Oh!... That much too wide!

Too bad as the Tichy model is a good looking car. And I have several
waiting for assembly in the back shop (on the shelf).

Thanks,
-- Bill Keene

On Jun 10, 2005, at 7:54 PM, Benjamin Hom wrote:

Jerry Glow asked:
"Did I miss something before I joined the list re the Tichy USRA
hoppers? Do
they have any problems or inaccuracies?"

Schuyler Larrabee replied:
"Middle [two] panels [are] too wide . . . Or so I'm told."

Bill Keene responded:
"OK... I'll bite...
How too wide?"

See for yourself:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/STMFPH/files/Side-by-Side/
Select "Prototype - Tichy HO USRA Twin Hopper Side-by-Side.JPG"

The model photo has been scaled to match the prototype photo.  The
vertical
white lines mark identical points of reference on both prototype and
model
photos, with the center three lines passing directly through the
center of
the three center side stakes.


Ben Hom



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Re: Tichy was Re: Walthers USRA hoppers

Doug Brown <brown194@...>
 

It appears that the end to first stake (and bolster) distance is
shortened with the difference made up in the middle panels, perhaps to
increase hopper to wheel flange distance.

Doug Brown

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of
Ted Culotta
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 10:20 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Tichy was Re: Walthers USRA hoppers


On Jun 10, 2005, at 7:54 PM, Benjamin Hom wrote:

Jerry Glow asked:
"Did I miss something before I joined the list re the Tichy USRA
hoppers? Do
they have any problems or inaccuracies?"

Schuyler Larrabee replied:
"Middle [two] panels [are] too wide . . . Or so I'm told."

Bill Keene responded:
"OK... I'll bite...
How too wide?"

See for yourself:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/STMFPH/files/Side-by-Side/
Select "Prototype - Tichy HO USRA Twin Hopper Side-by-Side.JPG"

The model photo has been scaled to match the prototype photo. The
vertical
white lines mark identical points of reference on both prototype and
model
photos, with the center three lines passing directly through the
center of
the three center side stakes.
Interestingly, it looks like the error is not simply that the two
middle panels are too wide, but that every other side members is moved
outwards by a corresponding amount, which masks the flaw to some
degree.

Regards,
Ted Culotta

Speedwitch Media
100 14th Avenue, San Mateo, CA 94402
info@...
www.speedwitch.com
(650) 787-1912


Re: Rib Side Cars

ian clasper <ianclasper@...>
 

This is an interesting notion that he has, as there where many
changes to the cars that followed the 1939/40 rib side car.

The only 40ft car that he could do that he can reuse most of the
present kit would be the grain car conversions, however these are out
of the scope of tis list as these happened either in the sixties or
seventies.

Starting from the 1942 Autocars, all the follow on batches of cars
featured the plain portions next to the doors and ends, and the roof
changed too the Mk2 welded roof. This had a different panel layout to
the one modeled. Add to this a change in end design and car height,
leaves us with the detail parts and the underframe.

So if he does any other 40ft rib side car using the present car parts
as a basis, then we end up with something not much better than the
roundhouse offering ! Joe Public might buy it, but it would not pass
prototype police inspection !

I wish him luck with his project, however I still see potential for
resin kits of all the other rib side cars.

Ian Clasper
- back in the PNW



--- In STMFC@..., Andy Carlson <midcentury@s...> wrote:
I have talked to George of Ribside Cars about this topic. He wants
to do 2 or 3 different 40' cars so he can reuse as much of his
existing tooling as possible. 50' cars will be done perhaps in the
future, but I would not call it "near-".
-Andy Carlson
on the road to Canada


Re: 40' fishbelly gondolas; was CG Gons

Doug Brown <brown194@...>
 

PRR G22

Doug Brown

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of
Richard Hendrickson
Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 1:17 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] 40' fishbelly gondolas; was CG Gons

On Jun 8, 2005, at 9:36 AM, Garth Groff wrote:

Granted, TYCO's rendition of these cars with fishbelly sills was
spurious, but I wonder if there were such cars. Excluding flat cars
with
wooden bodies applied (PRR and UP/SP Harriman cars for example) can
anyone cite any 40' steel gondolas with fishbelly sills? I have a shot
in my collection of such a GM&O car, though it was taken at a 3/4
angle
and might actually be a 50 footer.
Garth, it isn't clear to me whether you're referring to fishbelly
center sills or fishbelly side sills. In any case, there were numerous
examples of each. For instance, I have a 1967 photo of GM&O 13222, a
41'6" gon with fixed ends and fishbelly side and center sills (the
photo shows a 1941 build date, but this car had just been renumbered so
it's not clear what number series it previously belonged to). DT&I
bought 300 cars in the 7000-7299 series in 1941 which had fishbelly
side and center sills and drop ends (post-WW-II, they had racks
installed for auto frame loading). Georgia RR got 100 cars in 5-49
that were 39'5" IL with fixed ends and fishbelly side and center sills.

Atlantic Coast Line and Seaboard both owned large numbers of low side
40' gons, used primarily in limestone service, which had fishbelly
center sills and straight side sills. Newburgh & South Shore bought
several series of low side 40' fixed-end gondolas in the '40s which had
straight side sills but fishbelly center sills (some of these cars
later went to the Lake Terminal RR and the Youngstown & Northern).
Union RR had 42'5" steel gons with straight side sills and fishbelly
center sills. No doubt systematic research would turn up a variety of
other examples.

And there were, of course, many 38' to 40' composite gons built in the
teens and twenties with steel framing and wood sheathing which had
fishbelly side and center sills: CNJ, RDG, PRR, LNE, NYO&W, etc.

None of this is to say that there was a prototype for the crude generic
model in question. But there certainly were prototype cars of that
basic design.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: CG Gons

Doug Brown <brown194@...>
 

I have the C&NW box and SFRD reefer.


Doug Brown

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of
Charlie Vlk
Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 10:23 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] CG Gons

Ben-
Were all the Lindberg cars actually released? IIRC no. The
steel-resheathed composite hopper was only released in a small run as a
kit...(before Manchewa got the tooling) and I don't recall ever hearing
about the tank car, box car, and flat. I think the reefer did make it
to
market.
Charlie Vlk


Re: a little Mantua and Tyco History

Doug Brown <brown194@...>
 

I had a Varney Old Lady 2-8-0 with a cheap Asian motor with the worst
excuse for an armature I have ever seen. I replaced it with the armature
from a Mantua motor. After that the loco ran great!

Doug Brown

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of
Robert Welsh
Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 10:11 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] a little Mantua and Tyco History

It is interesting to note though that among all my
Rivarossi and other "high-end" locomotives - Y6's, a
J, a couple Mikes - the best running locomotive i have
is one my dad bought me in 1969, a Mantua/Tyco Pacific
that I relettered for an N&W Pacific. It runs even
better than the ones that I have that were remotored.


Re: Walthers USRA hoppers

Doug Brown <brown194@...>
 

I opened the box and compared them with an Accurail kit (both PRR GLd)
noting that the Walthers car had the center mounted brake cylinder with
AB valve and two compartment air tank.

Doug Brown

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of
rwitt_2000
Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 10:34 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Walthers USRA hoppers

Doug Brown wrote:
I saw Walthers USRA hopper cars at a hobby shop this week. Surprise,
surprise! They looked very familiar. They have Accurail parts except
for the trucks (Walthers "Bettendorf"), couplers, coupler box covers,
and coupler and truck mounting screws instead of press pins.<

Doug,

Are you sure of this? I looked at a set recently, but did not take
one out of the box. To me they didn't look right. The bodies did not
look proportioned as correctly as does the Accurail. It definely sits
too high on the trucks. The B&O version has the classification for a
box car and the lettering type face is totally incorrect. They look
like "toys". Potentially only the unknowing will buy these ...

Has someone done a side-by-side comparsion of the Walthers body with
the Accurail body and the Tichy body?

Bob Witt


Re: USRA hoppers

Doug Brown <brown194@...>
 

Walthers USRA hoppers ARE Accurail cars with Walthers cast sideframe
trucks and coupler box cover. Screws are used instead of pins to fasten
trucks and couplers. P/L is different.

Doug Brown

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of
ed_mines
Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 10:57 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] USRA hoppers

Someone asked why anyone would buy Walthers hoppers rather than
Accurail.
<snip>


Tichy was Re: Walthers USRA hoppers

rwitt_2000 <rmwitt@...>
 

Ben Hom wrote: "The model photo has been scaled to match the prototype
photo. The vertical white lines mark identical points of reference on
both prototype and model photos, with the center three lines passing
directly through the center of the three center side stakes."

Ben, your photo comparisons are great. It looks like if you drew two
lines at the body blosters you would find that the distance from them
to the end sills would be shorter on the Tichy model than the
prototype. As I recall Tichy did this so the non-scale wheel flanges
would clear the hopper bays. They then added the amount lost to the
center panels to retain the correct length for the car body.

Bob Witt


Side by Side

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Thanks, Ben, for putting up those photos.

Very useful

SGL


Re: Tichy was Re: Walthers USRA hoppers

Schuyler Larrabee
 

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On
Behalf Of Ted Culotta
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 11:20 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Tichy was Re: Walthers USRA hoppers


On Jun 10, 2005, at 7:54 PM, Benjamin Hom wrote:

Jerry Glow asked:
"Did I miss something before I joined the list re the Tichy USRA
hoppers? Do they have any problems or inaccuracies?"

Schuyler Larrabee replied:
"Middle [two] panels [are] too wide . . . Or so I'm told."

Bill Keene responded:
"OK... I'll bite...
How too wide?"

See for yourself:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/STMFPH/files/Side-by-Side/
Select "Prototype - Tichy HO USRA Twin Hopper Side-by-Side.JPG"

The model photo has been scaled to match the prototype photo. The
vertical white lines mark identical points of reference on both
prototype and model photos, with the center three lines passing
directly through the center of the three center side stakes.
Interestingly, it looks like the error is not simply that the
two middle panels are too wide, but that every other side
members is moved outwards by a corresponding amount, which
masks the flaw to some degree.

Regards,
Ted Culotta
Except, Ted, that the last rib before the slope sheet shows on the side . . . The relationship
between the bottom of the sloping line, and the bracket to brace to the sill, gets somewhat mucked
up.

SGL


Re: Steam Era B&O Fonts

bdg1210 <Bruce_Griffin@...>
 

Group,

Jack Rodriguez and Archivist Nick Fry should have also been mentioned
as prime movers in this effort.

--- In STMFC@..., "bdg1210" <Bruce_Griffin@u...> wrote:
Group,

Some members of the B&O Historical Society, including Ben Sullivan,
have put together electronic fonts for B&O lettering. They are at:
http://borhs.org/Logos/bo_font_logo.html . Credits should go to the
B&ORRHS. There is an active group of B&O modelers who will be
publishing more in the coming year, including diagrams on how to use
these excellent fonts.

Regards,
Bruce D. Griffin


Re: non coal revenue hoppers

Dean Payne <deanpayne@...>
 

--- In STMFC@..., "rwitt_2000" <rmwitt@i...> wrote:
Bulk materials with densities greater than coal typically would be
carried in twin hoppers. For the B&O, since they had so many AAR
off-set side twin hoppers, those would be the ones seen. Photographs
and movie records confirm this. (SNIP for brevity>
Bob Witt
Didn't we see some photos of "slope sheet only" loading a while back?
I think it was for limestone/slag or something. I've never seen this
modeled. I suppose I could be talked into trying... Using HO ballast,
maybe?
And, why slope sheet and not just "fill to this line"? The center of
gravity would be better, but I doubt that was any concern...
Dean Payne