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Re: USAX 38005 heavy duty flat

Ian Cranstone
 

Gene Green asks:

Wouldn't T29 and T30 be Soviet tanks?
In this case, no. The U.S. Army assigned Txx numbers to test vehicles, and only assigned the Mxx numbers after they had been given production status.

If these are the same vehicles referred to in my "British and American Tanks of World War II" book, the T29 was a heavy tank prototype mounting a 105 mm gun, originally intended for use in the invasion of Japan. The T30 was an essentially identical vehicle, but mounted a 155 mm gun. There was also a variant T34 design which mounted a 120 mm gun, which apparently evolved into the M103 heavy tank.

According to their vital statistics, these were huge vehicles, weighing 69 & 72 tons -- the M4 Shermans ran about 33-35 tons.

Now moving off this topic before our moderator steps in...

Ian & Katherina Cranstone
Osgoode, Ontario, Canada
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http://freightcars.nakina.net


Re: Car Cement

ed_mines
 

--- In STMFC@..., Denny Anspach <danspach@m...> asked:
OK, I can understand now that car cement is somewhat like car
undercoating, a petroleum based product- . If so, then I would
suspect that it would be thick (i.e. have some bulk) and would be
expected to at least "round off" or obscure the finer details (I
picture the coating to be not unlike very thin asphalt paving!).
I have 20+ years experience as a coatings formulator.

I agree that that car cement was probably a petroleum based product -
probably the residue remaining after refining that's called "tar"
in my part of the country (like in Barretts Tarvia) or asphalt. This
material is used to pave roads, make shingles and water proof roof
seams.

At least some tar is solid that has to be melted to be applied but
it can also be dissolved in a solvent like turpentine, allowing the
it to be applied at any viscosity and suitable for spraying.

I'm sure the railroads used the minimum amount of car cement to save
money. The layer of car cement may be a little thicker than paint
but it's not likely to obscure any details. Some railroads only
applied car cement to roof seam caps only.

AS for the dulling of the car cement over time it may be oxidizing.

Car cement looked pretty permanent though and I've seen some picture
of cars repainted over the car cement.

Ed


Re: USAX 38005 heavy duty flat

Brian Paul Ehni <behni@...>
 

The "T" series of tanks, when discussing American armored vehicles, refers
to experimental series.
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Thanks!

Brian Ehni

From: bierglaeser <bierglaeser@...>
Reply-To: <STMFC@...>
Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2005 17:52:47 -0000
To: <STMFC@...>
Subject: [STMFC] Re: USAX 38005 heavy duty flat


Wouldn't T29 and T30 be Soviet tanks?

Gene Green


Re: Sergent couplers

Jared Harper <harper-brown@...>
 

--- In STMFC@..., "David Karkoski" <karkoskd@t...> wrote:
I believe in the letter he sent to me with the new coupler he stated
that they would be available in the market place in November. They
are
not available at this time.

David
The Sergent Engineering website www.sergentengineering.com says the
new diecast couplers will be available in May.

Jared Harper
Athens, GA


Re: USAX 38005 heavy duty flat

bierglaeser <bierglaeser@...>
 

The US military had/has an odd way of keeping track of railway
equipment. I have a copy of Technical Manual 55-208, Railway
Equipment Characteristics and Data dated October 1976. For those of
us used to ORERs, equipment diagram books and so on, TM 55-208 is
really lame. Reporting marks and number series are NOT included.
Sometimes there are enough dimensions that one can make an educated
guess from the ORER but not always.

The lowest numbered cars in 38000 series for which I can find records
and builder's photos and any accurate information is 38016-38665, 54'-
0" IL flats with six-wheel trucks and 200,000 capacity built by Magor
in 1953. Obviously not the car in the photos. USAX (now marked DOD)
38116 sets on an Army siding about 50 miles from where I live. It
has Buckeye trucks.

The reporting marks USAX were used only for tank cars in the October
1948 ORER. In 1943 there was no such thing as USAX reporting marks.

In the April 1950 and Jan 1951 ORERs I find USAX flats 38000 and
38008, the former a well car, the latter apparently not. The
Department of Defense, formerly War Dept. and Navy Dept., bought lots
of used cars and still does. USAX 38005 could conceivably be a one-
of-a-kind car in the Army's roster. I have Xerox copies of undated
photos of 38008 and 38007. USAX 38008 has four six-wheel trucks of
a really weird design connected with span bolsters. USAX 38007 has
four four-wheel "bettendorf" trucks, span bolsters, etc. The two
cars are nothing alike.

Wouldn't T29 and T30 be Soviet tanks?

Gene Green
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--- In STMFC@..., Bruce Smith <smithbf@v...> wrote:
Hi Folks,

Here is a link to images of loading an experimental heavy tank
(T29,
T30) onto a flatcar circa 1949.
http://www.afvnews.ca/cgi-bin/web-bbs/webbbs_config.pl/read/60976
The car is USAX 38005. I am curious to know any additional
information
about this flat car.

Regards
Bruce

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Auburn, AL
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Re: Sergent couplers

Jared Harper <harper-brown@...>
 

--- In STMFC@..., "Earl Myers" <emyers5@n...> wrote:
Has anyone had any operating experience with these couplers, meaning
the new diecast couplers??
Earl Myers
PRR Lines West in 1944

If I understand correctly the new diecast versions will be out in
May. Check their website at www.sergentengineering.com.

Jared Harper
Athens, GA


Re: Sergent couplers

Jared Harper <harper-brown@...>
 

--- In STMFC@..., Steve Fuchs <fuchst900@y...> wrote:
Maybe I missed something, is there a website for these couplers?
Steve Fuchs

Jared Harper <harper-brown@j...> wrote:
I just got a letter today with samples of the new Sergent HO
couplers. He has gone to diecast. The couplers will be available
preassembled, and in a rust color. The new, improved diecast
versions
will sell for $6.00 a package of five in kit form. The assembled
versions will cost $9.00.

Jared Harper
Athens, GA

www.sergentengineering.com


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Re: Car Cement

Gatwood, Elden <Elden.Gatwood@...>
 

Denny;
Yes, that slick finish did not last long. It was a sticky substance,
and therefore, a coat of dirt would adhere rather quickly.

Elden

-----Original Message-----
From: Denny Anspach [mailto:danspach@...]
Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 9:30 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Car Cement


OK, I can understand now that car cement is somewhat like car
undercoating, a petroleum based product- . If so, then I would
suspect that it would be thick (i.e. have some bulk) and would be
expected to at least "round off" or obscure the finer details (I
picture the coating to be not unlike very thin asphalt paving!).
However, in photos it looks to have a glossy "skin" when newly
applied, apparently enough that it can accept painted numbers, etc.
However, it would seem probable that dulling of the finish would
occur fairly quickly, and that in our modeling a flat black finish
would be most appropriate, even for cars that are relatively new.

Do I understand this correctly?

Denny
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Sacramento




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Re: Sergent couplers

David Karkoski <karkoskd@...>
 

I believe in the letter he sent to me with the new coupler he stated
that they would be available in the market place in November. They are
not available at this time.

David

-----Original Message-----
From: Earl Myers [mailto:emyers5@...]
Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 11:47 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Sergent couplers


Has anyone had any operating experience with these couplers, meaning the
new diecast couplers??
Earl Myers
PRR Lines West in 1944

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Ohio Hobby Shops - Any Good Ones?

Shawn Beckert
 

Guys,

I'll be in the Cleveland / Akron area of Ohio visiting
relatives this coming June. Are there any hobby shops,
bookstores, RR museums, etc. worth seeing in NE Ohio?

Thanks,

Shawn Beckert


Sergent couplers

Earl Myers <emyers5@...>
 

Has anyone had any operating experience with these couplers, meaning the new diecast couplers??
Earl Myers
PRR Lines West in 1944


B&O Class M-41 boxcar modeling

Eric Hansmann <ehansmann@...>
 

Mark Heiden wrote:

I have pictures of 4002 and 4003 that are clearly marked M-41. I
haven't found a picture of 4000, but I'd bet it is the same.

Do you know of any models for these cars, or if nothing accurate
exists, any good stand-ins?
==================================



Mark,

The Western Maryland had some similar DS boxcars, and I have a few
on the program to build for my circa 1926 HO scale layout. I have
builders images of the WM and BR&P cars I bought from Keith
Retterer. They have several similarities, including the IL and the
fishbelly underframe. I was looking at a quick and dirty conversion
using MDC/Roundhouse old time boxcars and substituting a Bethlehem
Car Works fishbelly underframe. Here's their website, but this part
is not listed:
http://www.bethlehemcarworks.com/

After test fitting the underframe and examining the prototype
photos, I may just scratchbuild the box to fit the frame. This would
follow the prototype as it seems the box structure sits on top of
the sills instead of overlapping them. I still need to compare
height to the running boards on this project, but there are a few
more things to finish up before I progress on these cars.

The underframes are $5 each. You may want to pick up one or two and
see how you want to approach modeling these cars. These comments and
materials are for HO scale models.

Eric Hansmann
Morgantown, W. Va.


Re: Car Cement

Denny Anspach <danspach@...>
 

OK, I can understand now that car cement is somewhat like car undercoating, a petroleum based product- . If so, then I would suspect that it would be thick (i.e. have some bulk) and would be expected to at least "round off" or obscure the finer details (I picture the coating to be not unlike very thin asphalt paving!). However, in photos it looks to have a glossy "skin" when newly applied, apparently enough that it can accept painted numbers, etc. However, it would seem probable that dulling of the finish would occur fairly quickly, and that in our modeling a flat black finish would be most appropriate, even for cars that are relatively new.

Do I understand this correctly?

Denny
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Sacramento


Re: Eureka! I have to ask.....1937 AAR "w" question

bierglaeser <bierglaeser@...>
 

I don't understand why we continue to refer to the "W-section corner
post" when "round" is the term used by Standard Railway Equipment
Mfg. Co. (SREM).

To support my argument that we should simply say "round" instead
of "W-section corner post" I quote from the following Standard
Railway Equipment Mfg. Co. ads:

Ry Age, Dec 9, 1939, page 30: "The round corner and W section post
combination develops greater strength thru restrained beam action."

Ry Age, May 25, 1940, page 204: "Strength increase is developed thru
the restrained beam action of the round corner end and W-section
corner posts."

Ry Age, June 15, 1940, page 14: "A strength increase combination,
Round Corner Dreadnaught Ends and W-section corner posts."

Ry Age, Jan 4, 1941, page 122: "The Round Corner Dreadnaught End
when used with W-Section Corner Posts as a combination ... W-Section
corner posts furnished by the builder."

I believe it can be inferred from the foregoing that SREM saw the end
and the corner post as two separate items, the latter NOT being part
of the former. The END - supplied by SREM - has round corners. The
FRAME has a W-section corner post which was NOT supplied by SREM.
Why do we continue to refer to an element of the frame that is
invisible on both the model and the prototype when an obvious term
used by the manufacturer is available to describe the end which IS
visible?

Gene Green
modeling the M&StL in 1950 (or at least thinking about doing so)
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--- In STMFC@..., Scott Pitzer <scottp459@e...> wrote:
Garrett,
Try not to get interested in more modern stuff-- you'll never find
the "X" on what some people call an "X-post" box car!
Scott Pitzer
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-----Original Message-----
From: "Garrett W. Rea" <Garrett.Rea@w...>
Sent: Mar 28, 2005 4:43 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Eureka! I have to ask.....1937 AAR "w" question



--- In STMFC@..., "Schuyler Larrabee"
<schuyler.larrabee@v...> wrote:
Garrett, you aren't alone (or at least, you weren't 8^) )
because
this can
take a while to sort out.

Square corners are, uh . . .square. A regular corner like on
your
house.

A "W" corner has two corners, with an inverted corner between
them. OK, look at
it in plan view. One side of the W is fastened to the side, the
other side of
the W is fastened to the end. Kind of like a pleat between the
side and the
end.

l
l
l l
l l_
I__
______________

Forgive the space between the vertical part (the side, as
I 'drew'
it) and the
horizontal part (the end as I 'drew' it). Do you see the W
making
the corner?

SGL
"Doah!"

-Homer J Simpson

I always thought it was the BOTTOM corner, not the side/end seam!
No
wonder it did not make sense, I was always looking down in the area
of the poling pocket, not the taller vertical seam.

Thanks-

Garrett Rea
Nashville, TN


Re: B&O boxcar class and length

Mark Heiden
 

--- In STMFC@..., "rwitt_2000" <rmwitt@i...> wrote:

If it is an ex-M-13B it has to have an IL of 36-ft. Does the cars
have fishbelley side sills as that would confirm it to be an ex-M-
13?
The equivalent 40-ft cars are class M-15, but they have straight
side
sills with fishbelley underframes.
The car does have what appears to be a shallow fishbelly underframe,
sort of like the underframe on Walther's HO X29 boxcars. A faded
class designation is stenciled on the right side of the car near the
ladder. Only M-1? is clear, the final digit being very faded.

Yes, the B&O Class M-41 were ex-BR&P box cars.

BR&P 3500 to 3999 built 1914 IL 36'-0" with 60 cars listed in the
1938
S of E became B&O 188000 to 188485

The series was reduced to 1888014 to 188408 with 6 cars still listed
in the 1955 S of E.

I have seen some photos of the cars repainted by the WAG, but still
carrying the B&O classifications.
I have pictures of 4002 and 4003 that are clearly marked M-41. I
haven't found a picture of 4000, but I'd bet it is the same.

Do you know of any models for these cars, or if nothing accurate
exists, any good stand-ins?

Thanks,
Mark Heiden


Re: Southern low side gondolas

Richard White
 

On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 Bill McCoy wrote:

"These cars were very popular for sand, gravel, and stone along with
agricultrial limestone because of the relative ease of unloading with
a clam shell and laborers at public team tracks. The low sides gave
good lineside visibility and lent themselves to the inevitable
shovel work. During the summer in the south the heat inside a high
side gon becamed a man killer."

There are two photographs of one of these cars, SOU 54807, being positioned
for loading with stone on the N&W Abingdon branch on pages 100/101 in O.
Winston Link/Thomas H Garvers' "The last steam railroad in America"
published by Abradale Press at $19.98. Beautiful book, crazy price, how do
they do it?

Richard White



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Bay Area Prototype Modelers - Newark, CA 4/30/05

Rob Sarberenyi <espeef5@...>
 

San Francisco Bay Area Prototype Modelers meet

Saturday, April 30, 2005
10:00 a.m. - 5:00 p.m.

George M. Silliman Activity Center
6800 Mowry Avenue
Newark CA 94560

Online registration and meet info is now available, visit our website:
http://www.bayareaprototypemodelers.org/

Admission is $15.00, or just $12.00 if you bring at least one model to
display.

SPACE IS LIMITED, SO REGISTER EARLY!

Bringing together railroad prototype modelers from the steam era to present
day, showcasing all roads and scales, BAPM 2005 will feature:

* Display tables for models
* Local model railroad manufacturers
* Speakers and topics:
Elizabeth Allen - building diesel locos from styrene and Cannon parts
Tony Thompson - Southern Pacific's famed Coast Line, pre-1960

We'll close the meet with a raffle for some great prizes donated by several
model railroad manufacturers and local hobby shops.

Contact me with questions.

Rob Sarberenyi
espeef5@...


Re: B&O boxcar class and length

rwitt_2000 <rmwitt@...>
 

"Mark Heiden" <mark_heiden@h...> wrote:
I have a photo of this car as Wellsville,
Addison & Galeton 4001. On the WAG, it has a single, looks like 6
foot wide door (it was in captive service on the WAG, so no ORER
details are available). I think this car may have been conveyed to
the WAG on start-up in 1956, so it wouldn't be in the 1957 S of E.
It
does have the Indestructable ends, and although the photo isn't
great, it looks like it has z-bar bracing rather than an all wood
end. Did the Indestructable ends lead to a shorter interior length?
The 4001 looks like a 40 foot long boxcar.
If it is an ex-M-13B it has to have an IL of 36-ft. Does the cars
have fishbelley side sills as that would confirm it to be an ex-M-13?
The equivalent 40-ft cars are class M-15, but they have straight side
sills with fishbelley underframes.

Does the 1955 S of E have an entry for class M-41 boxcars? I
understand that these are ex-Buffalo, Rochester and Pittsburgh
cars,
and comprised the other three boxcars in the 4000 series on the
WAG.
I'd be interested in knowing the same sort of things about the
M-41s

Yes, the B&O Class M-41 were ex-BR&P box cars.

BR&P 3500 to 3999 built 1914 IL 36'-0" with 60 cars listed in the 1938
S of E became B&O 188000 to 188485

The series was reduced to 1888014 to 188408 with 6 cars still listed
in the 1955 S of E.

I have seen some photos of the cars repainted by the WAG, but still
carrying the B&O classifications.

Bob Witt


--- In STMFC@..., "rwitt_2000" <rmwitt@i...> wrote:

"Mark Heiden" wrote:


Could someone provide me with the class and length of B&O
boxcar
190186, circa 1956?
Mark,

According to the B&O Summary of Equipment for January 1, 1955 car
190186 is a Class M-13B 40-ton, steel-underframe box car with IL
of
36'-0" built in 1910 by the AC&F. These were "automobile box
cars"
with staggered doors with an opening of 10'-0". They had
fishbelley
underframes and side-sills. According to the ORER for 1953 (NMRA
reprint) the car still had its 10-ft door openings.

It is gone by the the 1957 S of E and I do not have a 1956 S of E.

Do you have a photo of the car? I would speculate that by 1950
the
car was rebuilt with "indestructible ends" which are steel and/or
wood
braced single-sheathed ends (see the Westerfield M-15 kits for
examples).

My speculation is these old cars, although listed in the ORER as
available for interchange, did not interchange, but were used to
haul
materials between the B&O company stores. I have not been able to
verify this fact, but there were several class M-15 that lasted
into
the early 1960s well beyond there expected life times.

Bob Witt


Re: Branchline Blueprint reefer paint again

Rob Adams
 

Dean;

Which paint scheme is it? For Branchline's NWX gray reefers, I used Polly Scale Oxide Red with good results.

Kind regards, Rob Adams

Dean Payne wrote:


I asked once before and we got off track a bit, due to my tendency to
ramble.
What (acrylic paint) color is best for touching up Branchline reefer
roofwalks? Where the sprue was taken off, there is a black spot, and
PS box car red is too brown. I might also need to do a complete strip and repaint of an Oscar Mayer
reefer, I haven't found anyone willing to trade it for an undec. So, I
could also use the paint to re-do ends and roof.
Dean Payne




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Re: Investment Castings (was PSC Castings)

Rob Kirkham <rdkirkham@...>
 

I was e-mailing David Braun just last week, always with a prompt reply. His e-mail was:dbraun@...

Rob Kirkham

----- Original Message -----
From: S. Busch
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 7:05 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Investment Castings (was PSC Castings)


While on the subject of PSC brass castings, does anyone have any idea why David Braun of The Back Shop and PIA, has not been able to answer email? I corresponded with him just before Christmas, and sent along an order (through the US Mail) for some HO parts about the same time. His web site says he had a computer crash which was fixed early February, but no answers to my email since, and he hasn't cashed the check I sent, either. Hope he is OK - does anyone know?

Thanks!

Steve Busch
Duncan, SC





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