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Off-line cars [Was: NYC "USRA" Boxcars - How Many . . .]

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

For those on the list interested in wheel reports, I have just gotten a copy of an Excel version of a very interesting and complete set of pages from a 1901 SP conductor's book. This is a little early for many on this list, but is interesting to me largely because there are so FEW off-line cars listed in trains.

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Re: NYC "USRA" Boxcars - How Many is Enough?

Mike Brock <brockm@...>
 

Bruce Smith says:

"So, if I go with 100 "foreign" boxcars, and NYC has 9% of the total box
car fleet, I will need 9 cars and if I go with the 150 level, I will
need 13-14 NYC box cars, total.

Heck, I even need an SP boxcar or two (or 4-6 actually <G>)"

Who cares. The only important thing to realize is that...regardless of the number of Pennsy, NYC and even SP box cars you have...Brock's 5th...or is it the 6th?...rule of frt cars must not be broken. "In any non coal, oil tank car or reefer block frt train of over 20 cars in length, thou shall have at least one Northern Pacific box car."
Violation of that rule will cause an immediate response by the Prototype Police .<G>.

BTW, I noted a recent Southern frt train consist recently by Jack Wyatt [ bomb shipment ] in which he listed about 25 box cars. One was an NP box car...as expected.

Mike Brock


Re: PRR Steel Boxcar Kits

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Doug Brown wrote:
The X43, X44 and X48 classes were the only PRR boxcar classes not
designed by PRR until the high cube long auto cars came along.
Neglecting, of course, the X26 (which, to be fair, wasn't steel until rebuilt).

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Hobby Shops

Bruce
 

Thank you one and all for your suggestions on hobby
shops in the Chicago area. I have been to Zientek
hobby shop before. But it was so long ago, I didn't
think he was still located in the same place. Last
time we were there there was a shooting about a block
away. Neat neighborhood. The tavern part of the
building comes right out of the "mill town" 1920's
era. It is a must see shop in Chicago. I will be
stopping there on Saturday. Thanks again.

Bruce

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Re: X29 NYC USRA Box Cars

Richard Hendrickson
 

IMHO There are far too Few Pennsy steel Box Cars other than the
X29s.For what it's worth.Armand Premo
Well, Armand, the round roof cars have been pretty well covered if you're
willing to repaint and re-letter Bowser's models. As for other PRR steel
box cars, one reason they have so seldom been modeled except in resin is
that the Pennsy was too perverse to buy freight cars of the same designs
that almost all other RRs used. Instead of AAR box cars, they got X37s
with obsolete underframes, weird roof eaves, and riveted roofs adapted from
the X29 design that, their experience should surely have told them by that
time, were guaranteed to leak sooner rather than later. And they put the
same roofs and eaves on their 50' cars as well. What was up with that?
Acting as though your in-house engineering is superior to everyone else's
is only justified if it actually IS superior, not twenty-plus years out of
date. Actually, the sheer quantity of freight cars the PRR owned is the
only reason you guys have ANY models of Pennsy freight cars. Then, of
course, we could talk about Pennsy steam locomotive design, compared with
which the sinking of the Titanic was a trivial event, but Mike and Jeff
would get after me for wandering off-topic, so let's not go there.

Richard H. Hendrickson
Ashland, Oregon 97520


Re: Identification of boxcars...

BuyGone Treasures <buygone@...>
 

Jan:

Try P.E. Railway Co.

Paul C. Koehler

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Jan
http://www.castlegraphics.com/graphic/transportation/id/freight67.jpg

The first letter is probably an "R", the second an "E", the rest
are
pretty hit-or-miss. I'm fairly sure it says "Co" at the end as
well.

The first three letters are P. E. P. proably followed by a C
immediately behind the C is a trinagle of dots, which makes it appear
to be Co.

Ron Rudnick





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Re: N&W 41366 model help

Jeff Coleman
 

Jim,
Thanks for info. I'll need both doors.
Jeff Coleman
--- In STMFC@..., "James F. Brewer" <jfbrewer@c...> wrote:
Jeff,

The information that I have seen on this indicates that these cars
were
built in 1925. The auxiliary doors were sealed 1932-34. The cars
received
"repairs" and were made single door 1940-42.

Jim Brewer
Glenwood MD






Re: Bulk supplies

George Hollwedel <georgeloop1338@...>
 

WH-026, 60 strips of 12 each strip for a total of 720 1/4 ounce weights.


Jon Miller <atsf@...> wrote:

I ordered a box of 1/4 ounce adhesive wheel weights from patchboy.com for
$23<
Which exact ones did you order. I see WH-013BK which is around 15.5
pounds for 38.40!

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Re: NYC "USRA" Boxcars - How Many is Enough?

Gatwood, Elden <Elden.Gatwood@...>
 

Ow, Jeff! Zing! That hurt.

Elden

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Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 3:57 PM
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Subject: [STMFC] Re: NYC "USRA" Boxcars - How Many is Enough?



To answer Shawn's question,

--- In STMFC@..., "Beckert, Shawn" <shawn.beckert@d...>
wrote:

. . . Al's 2901 and 2951(dreadnaught end)
kits. Which one would have been more prevalent in the late
1950's, the dreadnaught version?
In all eras, the Murphy-end 8'7"IH cars outnumbered the Dreadnaught-
end 8'7"IH cars by about nine-to-one. There were 18,900 Murphy-end
cars built vs. 2,050 of the Dreadnaught-end cars. Dreadnaught-end
cars did not have a significantly higher longevity to skew the
proportions in later times.

Then you need to parse out the cars with single-door vs. auxiliary-
door (4' + 6'): 4,000 built with Murphy ends; none with Dreadnaught.

And then you need to think about all the cars built that were not
8'7" IH, some 11,750 cars of which the only models ever made in any
scale were in O-scale brass, and those don't cover all the
variations.

As for how many NYC cars are needed by those SPFs, who cares? Their
layouts will still be unattractive; you can put lipstick on a hog,
but you still have a hog! Running for cover now, 8^)

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Re: NYC "USRA" Boxcars - How Many is Enough?

benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
 

Jeff English wrote:
"As for how many NYC cars are needed by those SPFs, who cares?
Their layouts will still be unattractive; you can put lipstick on a
hog, but you still have a hog!"

But at least you have a hog, and NYC modelers fail to have enough of
these cars on their layouts too. As I stated in my comments in this
month's Mainline Modeler Miscellany column, I would love to see this
car produced in an injection molded styrene kit so you can get it
out in the numbers that modelers need, whether SPFs, NYC, or Warrior
River Terminal modelers. There are many NYC freight car models that
should be produced, especially given the fact that (as several
listers have pointed out) many PRR cars are available. If NYC
modelers actually gave a rat's posterior about freight cars, we'd
have these models.


Ben Hom


Re: Bulk supplies

Jon Miller <atsf@...>
 

I ordered a box of 1/4 ounce adhesive wheel weights from patchboy.com for
$23<
Which exact ones did you order. I see WH-013BK which is around 15.5
pounds for 38.40!

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Re: NYC "USRA" Boxcars - How Many is Enough?

Benjamin Hom <b.hom@...>
 

Tim Gilbert wrote:
"Bruce models the PRR in 1944 IIRC. Therefore, he should have a lot more
X29's than the NYC "USRA" (sic.) steel boxcars."

Didn't you read Bruce's post? His ratio is 28 X29 to 9 NYC USRA-design
steel boxcars.


Ben Hom


Re: NYC "USRA" Boxcars - How Many is Enough?

Jeff English
 

To answer Shawn's question,

--- In STMFC@..., "Beckert, Shawn" <shawn.beckert@d...>
wrote:

. . . Al's 2901 and 2951(dreadnaught end)
kits. Which one would have been more prevalent in the late
1950's, the dreadnaught version?
In all eras, the Murphy-end 8'7"IH cars outnumbered the Dreadnaught-
end 8'7"IH cars by about nine-to-one. There were 18,900 Murphy-end
cars built vs. 2,050 of the Dreadnaught-end cars. Dreadnaught-end
cars did not have a significantly higher longevity to skew the
proportions in later times.

Then you need to parse out the cars with single-door vs. auxiliary-
door (4' + 6'): 4,000 built with Murphy ends; none with Dreadnaught.

And then you need to think about all the cars built that were not
8'7" IH, some 11,750 cars of which the only models ever made in any
scale were in O-scale brass, and those don't cover all the
variations.

As for how many NYC cars are needed by those SPFs, who cares? Their
layouts will still be unattractive; you can put lipstick on a hog,
but you still have a hog! Running for cover now, 8^)

Jeff English
Troy, New York


Re: Chicago--Hobby Shop

Denny Anspach <danspach@...>
 

John Fitts writes about hobby shops-
By far the best in Chicago:

Zientek's, 2001 W. 18th Street (corner of Damen & 18th). It's a hobby shop and tavern, owned by John Zientek, an avid model railroader.

Yes, you will not believe Zientek's Hobby Shop/Tavern until you see and visit it. It is "pure Chicago", as is its slightly gritty neighborhood. If you are visiting UC (University of Chicago, not California!), then this would be your best bet because it is already on the South Side.

Well worth the visit!


Denny (a former UC student!)


Re: PRR X37 and X38 box cars

Doug Brown <brown194@...>
 

Two X37B bodies and a lot of cutting and pasting will give you a pretty
good X38. Add a diagonal panel roof and you have X38F. A smooth plug
door of the right width and the d.p. roof gives you an X38L. The X37 and
X37A are both too short for the X38s.

Doug Brown

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Doug;

I am sure you, too, have thought about a bash from the Sunshine X37 for
a basic X38. If Sunshine still offers the X37, X37A, and X37B, isn't
that class pretty much covered, or am I missing some subclass?

I agree the X38 is the biggest missing hole in PRR boxcar kits, but
there are those that would argue a number of others. The real challenge
would be doing all those unique rebuilds, many of which do not seem to
have photographic coverage.

I'll be the first to buy a kit if someone does them.

BTW, doesn't Al offer the X23? And you have pretty good kits in the
Branchline versions of X43B and C, X44 and X53. Oriental and Rail
Classics did the X40 and X40B. Railworks and Bowser did the X33. We PRR
guys are pretty fortunate.

Elden Gatwood


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Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 2:42 PM
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Subject: RE: [STMFC] X29 NYC USRA Box Cars


Don't forget Bowser's X32 family.

The different subclasses of X37 would be really great to have. Different
subclasses had different IH by having different height transitions from
the side sheets to the roof. All had 9'-7 1/2" high door openings with a
4" range of overall height. Look at the corner caps of the different
subclasses. Almost everything else used a Z-bar to connect the two. The
X38 and X41 had the same transition as the X37B. The X37 and X38 are
also unusual in that the sides were made with one steel sheet spanning
two panels. There are no lap seams between the first and second panels,
third and fourth panels, etc. The diagram sheets also show this. The X38
diagram shows two sheets on the left and three on the right. Most of the
roof sheets also spanned two panels. Only the end roof sheets and the
center one on the X38 spanned only one panel.

Doug Brown


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On Feb 15, 2005, at 1:31 PM, armprem1 wrote:

IMHO There are far too Few Pennsy steel Box Cars other than the
X29s.For what it's worth.Armand Premo
X25 - Westerfield
X26c - coming from Sunshine
X31 family - Sunshine, West Shore Line and Bowser
X37 - Sunshine
X41 - Sunshine

These cover a LOT of cars in addition to the X29 family. An X38 would
be nice, but we're hardly starving!

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Re: N&W 41366 model help

James F. Brewer <jfbrewer@...>
 

Jeff,

The information that I have seen on this indicates that these cars were built in 1925. The auxiliary doors were sealed 1932-34. The cars received "repairs" and were made single door 1940-42.

Jim Brewer
Glenwood MD

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Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 6:16 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: N&W 41366 model help




Ben,
Do you know when the N&W started removing the aux. door on the BPa?
Jeff Coleman
--- In STMFC@..., "benjaminfrank_hom" <b.hom@w...> wrote:

Rob Kirkham asked:
"In terms of bashing this N&W car, were patch panels as much the
rage at N&W or did they have a different solution to the rust
problem?"

I have not seen photos of these cars later in life (only the ones
pulled from the Virginia Tech N&W Historical Collection) - the only
photo that I've seen of these cars with some form of patch panel is
this one:
http://spec.lib.vt.edu/imagebase/norfolksouthern/full/ns048.jpeg
which shows partial patches on either side of the doors. The
single
door BPa post-rebuilding photo:
http://spec.lib.vt.edu/imagebase/norfolksouthern/full/ns046.jpeg
does not show patch panels at all. Perhaps the N&W gave the cars
fresh sides when they brought them into the shops to lose the
auxiliary door.

At any rate, these cars shared the same design flaw of the X29/1923
ARA proposed steel boxcar, so some sort of repair would eventually
be needed.


Ben Hom






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Re: Bulk supplies

George Hollwedel <georgeloop1338@...>
 

I ordered a box of 1/4 ounce adhesive wheel weights from patchboy.com for $23 and change plus shipping. I requested USPS Priority mail in the $7.70 flat rate box and he adds around $3 for handling.

ron.merrick@... wrote:
I, too, listen to the wife complaining but in my case it's a) how much
money goes into freight cars and b) how many times I go to the hobby shop.

I've been able to find a good deal on screws. Best deal was from J. I.
Morris (website www.morris01550.com) where I was able to get a thousand
brass round head 2-56 x 3/16 screws for 8.9 cents each. Real value to me
is that it'll be a couple years before I have to go buy screws again.

Web search would be 'miniature screws' rather than other ordinary types of
fasteners because most regular fastener houses don't have anything this
small.

Now I'm waiting for the bulk order of egg sinkers (my preferred car
weight) so I don't have to go to the sporting goods store again either.

Ron Merrick

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Bulk supplies

mopacfirst
 

I, too, listen to the wife complaining but in my case it's a) how much
money goes into freight cars and b) how many times I go to the hobby shop.

I've been able to find a good deal on screws. Best deal was from J. I.
Morris (website www.morris01550.com) where I was able to get a thousand
brass round head 2-56 x 3/16 screws for 8.9 cents each. Real value to me
is that it'll be a couple years before I have to go buy screws again.

Web search would be 'miniature screws' rather than other ordinary types of
fasteners because most regular fastener houses don't have anything this
small.

Now I'm waiting for the bulk order of egg sinkers (my preferred car
weight) so I don't have to go to the sporting goods store again either.

Ron Merrick

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Re: N&W 41366 model help

Jeff Coleman
 

Ben,
Do you know when the N&W started removing the aux. door on the BPa?
Jeff Coleman
--- In STMFC@..., "benjaminfrank_hom" <b.hom@w...> wrote:

Rob Kirkham asked:
"In terms of bashing this N&W car, were patch panels as much the
rage at N&W or did they have a different solution to the rust
problem?"

I have not seen photos of these cars later in life (only the ones
pulled from the Virginia Tech N&W Historical Collection) - the only
photo that I've seen of these cars with some form of patch panel is
this one:
http://spec.lib.vt.edu/imagebase/norfolksouthern/full/ns048.jpeg
which shows partial patches on either side of the doors. The
single
door BPa post-rebuilding photo:
http://spec.lib.vt.edu/imagebase/norfolksouthern/full/ns046.jpeg
does not show patch panels at all. Perhaps the N&W gave the cars
fresh sides when they brought them into the shops to lose the
auxiliary door.

At any rate, these cars shared the same design flaw of the X29/1923
ARA proposed steel boxcar, so some sort of repair would eventually
be needed.


Ben Hom


Re: Chicago--Hobby Shop

Paul Gehrett
 

--- John Fitts <jefitts2003@...> wrote:


By far the best in Chicago:

Zientek's, 2001 W. 18th Street (corner of Damen &
18th). It's a hobby shop and tavern, owned by John
Zientek, an avid model railroader.
Zientek's has a great selection. It's a rather unique
place for sure. Plan on spending some time there
looking thru the parts selection, there's alot of
stuff in a relatively small space.

The building was probably built in the 1920's. It's a
classic 2 story structure with a storefront business
on the first floor (the tavern) and an apartment on
the 2nd floor (now serves as the hobby shop). The
tavern itself probably hasn't changed much at all
since the 1920's.

If you do stop at Zientek's, bring cash or your
checkbook. He doesn't take credit cards.

Paul Gehrett

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