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building craftsman kits

Mike Barone <mike_barone@...>
 

Gentlemen:
I'm reposlting this note as it appears that my computor did not send it last week.
While I've been on the group for a couple of months I haven't written in before so I'm still fairly knew to it. Some of the comments under "building craftsman kits" have prompted to note some of my experiences. First: in regard to heating resin kit parts to flatten them be very carefull. I recently tried to flatten a resin passenger car roof the was very slightly bowed, about 1/16", in the middle. I put it into oven on a plate glass surface and set at 150 degrees. The treatment didn't flatten the roof as the temperature was too low. It was however high enough to shrink it 1/8". The car now has a new wood roof. If at all possible avoid heating the resin parts to flatten them. I find that once the part is attached to other parts it will be straight, if not, internal bracing is better.
Second: I would suggest even more caution in regard to using toaster ovens flatten or bake paint as your model will be a matter of an inche or two from the elements where the localized temperature could be high enough to melt solder. In a regular oven the model or parts will be some distance form the elements so the temperature will be much more even and considerable lower.
Mike Barone


Re: bulk flour loading

Tim O'Connor
 

That rats would ignore the boxcar while flour is available on the ground, is puzzling. Perhaps it is the same reason that they ignore all the food present on land, and scurry to get aboard ships destined to go to sea. - Hank
Rats are very intelligent creatures. Some have even been elected
to high office.


Re: bulk flour loading

hanel29@...
 

That rats would ignore the boxcar while flour is available on the ground, is puzzling. Perhaps it is the same reason that they ignore all the food present on land, and scurry to get aboard ships destined to go to sea. - Hank

-------------- Original message from Bud Rindfleisch <BlackDiamondRR@...>: --------------

Hello,
Tim O. mentioned cars used for bulk flour loading not being used
for other purposes, that is most likely correct. The part about vermin
and rats crawling in the cars seems a little farfetched. The rats I saw
were on the ground, why would they try to climb into the car when it was
plentiful on the ground?
Shortly after my brief stint on the BCK I worked as a yard clerk for
the LV, whose yard was close to the BCK and along with the EL was a
co-owner of the BCK. In the LV's Tifft yard was a track known as the
"cooper track" which is where these 40' boxcars got placed for cleaning
out of leftover flour. That area was teeming with rats and I had to
throw pieces of ballast ahead of me at night to scatter the rats before
I got there. Had to walk the yards to get car numbers in this pre
computer era.
Never heard of rat droppings in Cheerios but I have heard stories
about some awful gross ingredients in hot dogs, ketchup, etc.
Bud Rindfleisch



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Re: Single-Compartment GATC Airslide Hopper Kits

Schuyler Larrabee
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Doug Brown [mailto:brown194@...]


I have an old Con-Cor kit with mostly wood components.
I have one of those too. It's the only evidence I have that there was ever one
of these cars lettered for the railroad which was the result of the merger of
the ERIE and DL&W. Can't mention that railroad on this list, I don't think.
Doesn't exist yet.

SGL


Re: Wabash to the B&O at Decatur

Tim O'Connor
 

There is really no way to tell from the list, where the
cars originated. Wabash could have picked them up either
at Council Bluffs or Kansas City, or even somewhere else.
And of course, since they are listed over several days,
there could be multiple paths.

At Kansas City, cars could have arrived via the UP or
via the Rock Island. Potatoes were grown in very large
quantities in California, so the presence of spuds does
not automatically mean they came from Idaho. A question
that interests me, personally, is whether the list dates
from after the time when the B&O gave up control of the
Chicago & Alton. Before giving up control, B&O probably
would prefer to take delivery from the Alton rather than
from one of the Alton's competitors...

Thanks for posting this. Very interesting. Any idea
how these were routed. UP to Council Bluffs? Were
these cars part of block dropped at Decatur from a
train going through to the east?

Regards,

Mike Aufderheide


Re: AAR 70 ton Flat Car

Brian Carlson
 

Rich, I was looking for HO scale. I plan on ordering a Sunshine kit.

Brian Carlson

Rich Yoder <oscale48@...> wrote:
What scale model are you looking for?
Richard Yoder

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What are the visual differences between the AAR 70 ton introduced in
the early 1940's and the AAR 50 ton flat introduced at the same
time. Can the LL P2k 50 ton flat be used as a resonable stand-in for
the 70 ton car? Has anyone done this?







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Re: Station Symbol Additions

Richard Hendrickson
 

John Golden writes:

Some additions to your excellent station symbol list:

1. EMR on the ACL is Emerson Shops (Rocky Mount, NC)
2. Add SAV for Savannah to the SAL table
3. I've never heard of "FAD" on the Seaboard. Perhaps
we misread some letters?
Thanks for the additions, John. As for FAD, most of the entries in the
list are based on photographic evidence, but it isn't always easy to make
out the stenciling on the cars in the photos, and it is sometimes the case
that a car was reweighed off-line. Variations in lettering style may make
this obvious, but not always. If we just all keep chipping away at it,
we'll eventually resolve most of the anomalies and fill in most of the
blanks.

Richard H. Hendrickson
Ashland, Oregon 97520


Re: AAR 70 ton Flat Car

Rich Yoder
 

What scale model are you looking for?
Richard Yoder

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Subject: [STMFC] AAR 70 ton Flat Car


What are the visual differences between the AAR 70 ton introduced in the early 1940's and the AAR 50 ton flat introduced at the same time. Can the LL P2k 50 ton flat be used as a resonable stand-in for the 70 ton car? Has anyone done this?
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Station Symbol Additions

golden1014
 

Mr. Brewer,

Some additions to your excellent station symbol list:

1. EMR on the ACL is Emerson Shops (Rocky Mount, NC)
2. Add SAV for Savannah to the SAL table
3. I've never heard of "FAD" on the Seaboard. Perhaps
we misread some letters?

John

John Golden
O'Fallon, IL


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Re: CP minibox kitbash

Benjamin Hom <b.hom@...>
 

Phil Buchwald wrote:
"Here's the part that ties this into the MDC 50ft car string:
I've got three of these cars, one of them is to try to cobble up a
CP "minibox", using the roof from the MDC car. I'd like to use the
ends from a Red Caboose X29, if they are compatible. Same number of
corrugations.... (I don't like the quality of the F&C minibox end
castings.)"

The Red Caboose X29 ends will work - they match up well with the MDC radial
roof. You'll have to file down the top rib to match the CP end and possibly
have to add styrene to the top of the roof to match the curve of the MDC
roof.


Walt Lankenau wrote:
"I had once started to kitbash a batch of CP miniboxes using the Santa
Fe steel reefer by C&BT Shops as a starting point. The Intermountain
Santa Fe reefer shell might be an even better starting point, also
having the reverse Dreadnaught end. Overall, the Santa Fe reefer body
is quite close to the CP box dimensionally, and the door is even the
right size (therefore, so are the body panels). I don't remember
which roof I intended to use; maybe the Central Valley NP stock car
roof."

Sounds like a good use for the old C&BT kits, which have been largely
superceded by the Intermountain cars. (The detail sprues were crap anyway,
so they're no real loss.) The CV NP stockcar roof doesn't match the
prototype Hutchins radial roof; again, you can harvest one from the MDC 50
ft SS automobile boxcar.


Ben Hom


Re: "Boraxo" Covered Hoppers

Shawn Beckert
 

Sam,

Thanks very much for the information. It looks like this car can't be
done then, without kitbashing the roof to get the hatch spacing right.
Sounds like an opportunity for another "aftermarket" part to be made.

Shawn Beckert

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Hello Shawn Becket,

Bobs' Photo has a photo of NAHX #31060 with the large Boraxo paint
scheme. S-Helper did this car in "S" scale but unfortunately used the wrong
body style. The car has the 1954-56 channel end ribs and the early less
common narrow hatch spacing with the notched hatch straps. Because of the
narrow hatch spacing we will not be doing this car in the near future, or
maybe even the distance future.

Sam Clarke
Kadee Quality Products

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Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 3:43 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: "Boraxo" Covered Hoppers



Brian Carlson wrote:

Atlas did a PS-2 in this version and I think a photo
of one appeared in a PS-2 article in RMJ back when
the Atlas and/or KAdee cars came out.
IIRC Atlas did do this paint and lettering scheme, but
I'd much prefer having it on a Kadee PS-2 rather than
the Atlas car. Fortunately Champion makes decals for this
car; the problem is *which* Kadee car to use. There are
different versions, with the ribs and roof hatches being
different on each one. This is why I'd like to have a good
photo - not that I'd ever find one showing roof details...

Shawn Beckert




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Re: bulk flour loading

Brian Termunde
 

Some, who have probably even seen a steam era freight car (in order to remain
at least partially within boundaries) or two have even been reelected ;<

Take Care!

Brian R. Termunde
West Jordan, Utah
"Ship and Travel the Grand Canyon Line!"
Grand Canyon Railway
Utah District



In a message dated 1/19/2005 9:57:47 PM Mountain Standard Time,
timboconnor@... writes:
That rats would ignore the boxcar while flour is available on the ground, is
puzzling. Perhaps it is the same reason that they ignore all the food present
on land, and scurry to get aboard ships destined to go to sea. - Hank

Rats are very intelligent creatures. Some have even been elected to high
office.


Re: Wabash to the B&O at Decatur

jaley <jaley@...>
 

Mike,

UP to Omaha / CoB seems like the logical routing for the spuds.
For the other vegetables, I wonder whether they came from northern or
southern California. If the latter, I wonder if they came via SP / CRI&P
to Kansas City, and then to WAB.

Regards,

-Jeff

On Jan 19, 2:53pm, Mike Aufderheide wrote:
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Wabash to the B&O at Decatur

Chet,

Thanks for posting this. Very interesting. Any idea
how these were routed. UP to Council Bluffs? Were
these cars part of block dropped at Decatur from a
train going through to the east?

Regards,

Mike Aufderheide
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Re: "Boraxo" Covered Hoppers

Shawn Beckert
 

Brian Carlson wrote:

Atlas did a PS-2 in this version and I think a photo
of one appeared in a PS-2 article in RMJ back when
the Atlas and/or KAdee cars came out.
IIRC Atlas did do this paint and lettering scheme, but
I'd much prefer having it on a Kadee PS-2 rather than
the Atlas car. Fortunately Champion makes decals for this
car; the problem is *which* Kadee car to use. There are
different versions, with the ribs and roof hatches being
different on each one. This is why I'd like to have a good
photo - not that I'd ever find one showing roof details...

Shawn Beckert


Re: "Boraxo" Covered Hoppers

Brian Carlson
 

Atlas did a PS-2 in this version and I think a photo of one appeared in a PS-2 article in RMJ back when the Atlas and/or KAdee cars came out.

either here, Pullman-Standard 70-ton PS-2 Two-Bay Covered Hoppers from Atlas or MDC kits
Railmodel Journal, April 1995 page 4
or
Pullman-Standard PS-2 two-bay covered hoppers from Kadee models
Railmodel Journal, December 2003 page 11

I bet Bob's photo's has this car also.

Brian J Carlson

"Beckert, Shawn" <shawn.beckert@...> wrote:
List,

Does anyone know of a source for photographs of
"Boraxo" covered hoppers? They would be in lease
markings with "BORAXO" billboard lettering.I don't
need a scan, just want to know who might have them
for sale.

Thanks,

Shawn Beckert


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Re: "Boraxo" Covered Hoppers

SamClarke
 

Hello Shawn Becket,

Bobs' Photo has a photo of NAHX #31060 with the large Boraxo paint
scheme. S-Helper did this car in "S" scale but unfortunately used the wrong
body style. The car has the 1954-56 channel end ribs and the early less
common narrow hatch spacing with the notched hatch straps. Because of the
narrow hatch spacing we will not be doing this car in the near future, or
maybe even the distance future.

Sam Clarke
Kadee Quality Products

----- Original Message -----
From: "Beckert, Shawn" <shawn.beckert@...>
To: <STMFC@...>
Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 3:43 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: "Boraxo" Covered Hoppers



Brian Carlson wrote:

Atlas did a PS-2 in this version and I think a photo
of one appeared in a PS-2 article in RMJ back when
the Atlas and/or KAdee cars came out.
IIRC Atlas did do this paint and lettering scheme, but
I'd much prefer having it on a Kadee PS-2 rather than
the Atlas car. Fortunately Champion makes decals for this
car; the problem is *which* Kadee car to use. There are
different versions, with the ribs and roof hatches being
different on each one. This is why I'd like to have a good
photo - not that I'd ever find one showing roof details...

Shawn Beckert




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Re: Single-Compartment GATC Airslide Hopper Kits

Doug Brown <brown194@...>
 

I have an old Con-Cor kit with mostly wood components. It does have
preprinted sheet plastic sides. I think the address was in Chicago
proper.

Doug Brown

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From: Tim O'Connor [mailto:timboconnor@...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 2:13 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Single-Compartment GATC Airslide Hopper Kits



Shawn, a long time ago I took a good look at the kits from
Concor, ECW, and Walthers, as well as Overland brass models.
I posted the results somewhere or other on the FCL or STMFC,
I forget where... I do recall I concluded that (1) all of
the models are flawed and (2) the Concor model was the best
one to use, given the various tradeoffs. Avoid the Walthers
model, it is the worst of the bunch.

Tim O.


Who besides Eastern Car Works made the single-compartment
Airslide covered hopper in H.O.? Walthers, or someone else?
And if it *was* Walthers, can I assume that the Eastern Car
Works version was probably the better kit?

Thanks,

Shawn Beckert





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Re: Wabash to the B&O at Decatur

Michael Aufderheide
 

Chet,

Thanks for posting this. Very interesting. Any idea
how these were routed. UP to Council Bluffs? Were
these cars part of block dropped at Decatur from a
train going through to the east?

Regards,

Mike Aufderheide
--- Chet French <cfrench@...> wrote:


While looking for something else, which I did not
find, I came upon a
list of perishable loads delivered to the B&O from
the Wabash at
Decatur, IL, between April 13th and 23rd, 1951
destined to
Indianapolis. Hope it will be of interest to some.

4/13 PFE 2698 Vegts
4/13 PFE 73087 Vegts
4/13 PFE 66779 Vegts
4/14 PFE 62605 Spuds
4/15 PFE 67017 Lettuce
4/15 PFE 98318 Spuds
4/15 PFE 7588 Carrots
4/15 PFE 68032 Lettuce
4/16 PFE 43022 Lettuce
4/16 MDT 23668 Lettuce
4/16 PFE 98538 Lettuce
4/17 PFE 66402 Carrots
4/17 MDT 7178 Onions
4/17 PFE 93742 Onions
4/18 PFE 38633 Can Gds
4/18 PFE 98413 Spuds
4/18 PFE 97992 Lettuce
4/18 PFE 96500 Spuds
4/18 PFE 3680 Lettuce
4/18 PFE 40658 Lettuce
4/19 PFE 61266 Spuds
4/19 PFE 4694 Spuds
4/19 NWX 70052 Can Gds
4/19 SFRD 34071 Lettuce
4/20 PFE 90355 Spuds
4/21 PFE 75355 Lettuce
4/21 PFE 66468 Spuds
4/21 PFE 2988 Lettuce
4/21 PFE 90355 Spuds
4/22 PFE 97736 Spuds
4/22 PFE 76111 Lettuce
4/22 PFE 64158 Spuds
4/22 ART 24467 Lettuce
4/23 PFE 42032 Carrots

Chet French
Dixon, IL







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"Boraxo" Covered Hoppers

Shawn Beckert
 

List,

Does anyone know of a source for photographs of
"Boraxo" covered hoppers? They would be in lease
markings with "BORAXO" billboard lettering.I don't
need a scan, just want to know who might have them
for sale.

Thanks,

Shawn Beckert


VIsit to Wilbur Whittaker

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

List members may like to know that Will is still doing fine these days; I went to visit this morning. He has now passed his 97th birthday, so is well ahead of most of us on this list <g>. We talked all sorts of railroad topics, though he can't speak very easily, and I dropped off a book for Anna to read to him. She mentioned Garth Groff's generosity in sending rail videos, which Will enjoys very much. He's one of the real pioneers of freight car photography, so I always enjoy a visit with him, even in his diminished state. As Anna likes to say, he was fine until he turned 92 <g>.

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