MR Turpin wrote: wrote:

Picked up a HO scale model of a Pre WW2 B and M hopper 4 bay type at a
fle market. looks so much like the MOPAC 56025 in online photo's that
it had good kit bash potential and only cost $2.50 so I bought it the
next day. it may be an AAR type.where are there good photo's online
better than the MOPAC site so I can convert it to closely resemble the
prototype. It looks like some sanding off on the sides is in order.

It appears that you picked up a B&M #8000-8999 series 1928 Quad Hopper made by Athearn. The problem that you may have is that Athearn released a B&M hopper painted blue with a number in the #71000 series. The B&M never had an open top hopper painted blue and #71000 was a boxcar series on the B&M. The model you bought was cheap for a reason.

The B&M's #8000 hoppers were built in 1929-30, and were painted black originally with the words BOSTON AND MAINE in a gothic font inside the outline of a rectangle - the lettering is white. Later after WWII, B&M's Minuteman was applied. By the late 1950's, all had been scrapped or sold to the DL&W.

I am aware of no on-line photo source for B&M's #8000 series hoppers.

Tim Gilbert

Picked up a HO scale model of a Pre WW2 B and M hopper 4 bay type at a
fle market. looks so much like the MOPAC 56025 in online photo's that
it had good kit bash potential and only cost $2.50 so I bought it the
next day. it may be an AAR type.where are there good photo's online
better than the MOPAC site so I can convert it to closely resemble the
prototype. It looks like some sanding off on the sides is in order.

Sincerely,

Mr. Turpin

Calcium Chloride is used as an ice/snow melter - but as you might imagine by it's composition, it is more than a little harsh on metals. DId they use it to keep switches free of ice?

Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:
On May 31, 2005, at 8:15 AM, John Fitts wrote:

Excuse me if I'm late to the party and missed something, but what
exactly was the purpose of this car?

John

John,

Good question! It is clearly a conversion to company service/MOW.
Jack Consoli's comment about Calcium Chloride has me wondering. What
was CaCl used for? Was the car used to store CaCl? Was there some
application of CaCl that could be accomplished by a rail car?


Regards
Bruce

Bruce F. Smith
Auburn, AL
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Bob Chaparro wrote:

You will find
a 1928 image of PFE Reefer 15110 being loaded with vegetables in
Lake County, Florida. This, of course, is more evidence of PFE cars
far from their normal routes being loaded with something other than
California citrus or vegetables. On the other hand, this probably
was more of an exception than anything else.

Some parts of the year this might be okay. But other parts you
can be sure that there was a PFE traffic guy trying very hard to
prevent this particular load going into that car.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2942 Linden Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history

The article's in the July 1988 issue.

--- In STMFC@..., "al_brown03" <abrown@f...> wrote:

I've been storing supermarket "Krazy Glue" in a Mason jar with some
desiccant. ACC of course sets by polymerization, and one of the
effective polymerizing agents is water. In theory if you keep your

ACC

dry it should set slower. I find it keeps pretty well, even down

here;

I wouldn't imagine Nevadans would need this trick! :-) Wayne
Wesolowski wrote about the chemistry of ACC in Model Railroader

some

years back; I don't have the citation here at home, but will dig it
out in the office tomorrow unless someone beats me to it. I

sometimes

give the article to organic chem classes for cultural reading.

Al Brown
Melbourne, Fla.

--- In STMFC@..., Andy Carlson <midcentury@s...> wrote:

"Krazy Glue" found most anywhere (I get mine at a 99
cent store) lasts to the last micro drop. I have
almost given up on the hobby brands.
-Andy carlson
Ojai CA

All:

This may be common knowledge, so sorry if it is and I am the last guy to
learn about this one.

I have in front of me on loan a Xerox copy of an NC&StL diagram book with
most all drawings dating before 1930, many from the '09-11 range. There are
some neat gems in here, including a couple off road cars (a tiny 28' long
wood Tennessee Central single bay wood trussrod hopper), many of them marked
as obsolete or destroyed, almost giving the impression that the book was a
record of removed classes.

There is one diagram however that is of different nature however. Dated 29
January 1929, it is an NC&StL three bay offset side self cleaning hopper,
class 4D-HT2. Rated 50 tons with a level CU capacity of 2174. At the bottom
right of the drawing is "A.R.A PROPOSED CONSTRUCTION" and the word
"Obsolete" hand written with pencil in the top left corner. None of the
typical construction details listed that are common on N&C diagrams, so I am
sure it is a safe bet that this thing never saw the light of day.

Assuming this was an ARA proposal, why did it never materialize? Were
other roads looking at using this car? Any other details of note?

Thanks-

Garrett Rea
Mount Juliet, TN




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Tichy and GrantLine both make "Nut-Bolt-Washer" (NBW) castings in a variety
of sizes. Many craft kits provide these along with the preformed wire
grabs. Just glue them on the car side above the ends of the grab.

regards,

Andy Miller

The January '43 ORER shows 52 cars in series 180000-181185 and 1055
cars in series 190500-197999, both series originally drop bottom
cars but about half converted to solid bottom. The USRA cars seem to
have been gone by then.

Al Brown
Melbourne, Fla.

--- In STMFC@..., "Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton"
<smokeandsteam@s...> wrote:

when did the Southern RR remove from revenue service the last

gon of

the 41 foot composite type <<


The Southern's USRA gondolas (199800-199999) were apparently all

gone

from revenue service by the forties, though the some of their
underframes **may** have ended up under their first homebuilt

batch of

bay window cabooses.

Southern also had a series of composite gons which at a casual

glance

appeared similar to the USRA cars having the same 1770 cu ft

capacity

and similar dimensions. However these had 11 unequally sized

panels and

flat plate ends with horizontal braces. Some of these may have

lasted

into the post war period - series 180000-190362 in the 1935 ORER,

but I

don't have one for the wartime or immediate post war period to

check

their last appearance

Aidrian



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That collection is amazing ... But, many of the captions are sketchy
(e.g., "Train car"). So, it pays to "search" a relatively un-
specific keyword (e.g., "railroads") and browse.

Al Brown
Melbourne, Fla.

--- In STMFC@..., "Bob Chaparro" <thecitrusbelt@y...>
wrote:

As described on its website, "The Florida Photographic Collection

is

a nationally recognized component of the State Archives of Florida
and contains more than 850,000 photographs, and approximately

2,500

movies and video tapes. Over 100,000 of the photographs have been
scanned and placed on this website."

This is located at
http://www.floridamemory.com/PhotographicCollection/ . Go to this
site and in the "Search the Photo Collection" type in "Pacific

Fruit

Express" (without the quotes). You will find a 1928 image of PFE
Reefer 15110 being loaded with vegetables in Lake County,

Florida.

This, of course, is more evidence of PFE cars far from their

normal

routes being loaded with something other than California citrus or
vegetables. On the other hand, this probably was more of an
exception than anything else.

There are a lot of images of Florida railroading, equipment and
structures on this site, also.

Bob Chaparro
Moderator
Citrus Industry Modeling Group
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/citrusmodeling/

As described on its website, "The Florida Photographic Collection is
a nationally recognized component of the State Archives of Florida
and contains more than 850,000 photographs, and approximately 2,500
movies and video tapes. Over 100,000 of the photographs have been
scanned and placed on this website."

This is located at
http://www.floridamemory.com/PhotographicCollection/ . Go to this
site and in the "Search the Photo Collection" type in "Pacific Fruit
Express" (without the quotes). You will find a 1928 image of PFE
Reefer 15110 being loaded with vegetables in Lake County, Florida.
This, of course, is more evidence of PFE cars far from their normal
routes being loaded with something other than California citrus or
vegetables. On the other hand, this probably was more of an
exception than anything else.

There are a lot of images of Florida railroading, equipment and
structures on this site, also.

Bob Chaparro
Moderator
Citrus Industry Modeling Group
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/citrusmodeling/

I don't know whether this link has been noticed before - its my first time to see it - but an interesting history of tank car development at UTLX. http://www.utlx.com/history/index.asp

Rob Kirkham

I've placed in the photo section a photo of a completed SC&F 60 ft 2 door Harriman baggage car decorated in the SP version.

Mike Brock

I have a question on building realistic grab irons.

I am building a HO model that needs grab irons. I started testing
with some thin wire (about .012), but it just did not look right. It
occurred to me that I was missing the bolt that connects the grab to
the body. How do I simulate this?

How do you simulate the bolt so it looks right? or is there a
manufacturer that builds grab iron with the bolt?

The model I am building is Baldwin Class B Steeple Locomotive. The
body is brass and I wanted to build the model out all metal. Forgive
me if this is not a Steam era car question, but I would think some one
on this list would know how to model a grab iron well. (The model is
from the steam era.)

Thanks
Phil Jannusch

Bill,

Can you please contact me at your convenience?

John Golden
O'Fallon, IL
Golden1014@...

John Golden
O'Fallon, IL
http://www.pbase.com/golden1014

when did the Southern RR remove from revenue service the last gon of

the 41 foot composite type <<


The Southern's USRA gondolas (199800-199999) were apparently all gone
from revenue service by the forties, though the some of their
underframes **may** have ended up under their first homebuilt batch of
bay window cabooses.

Southern also had a series of composite gons which at a casual glance
appeared similar to the USRA cars having the same 1770 cu ft capacity
and similar dimensions. However these had 11 unequally sized panels and
flat plate ends with horizontal braces. Some of these may have lasted
into the post war period - series 180000-190362 in the 1935 ORER, but I
don't have one for the wartime or immediate post war period to check
their last appearance

Aidrian



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joe binish wrote:

All,
I have 2 q's

2. On page 88 of the 3/2002 RMC is a photo in NH of a B&M train with P&LE
5120 in it. Is this a 10'IH car?

No. The Inside Height of P&LE's #5000-5999 series was 10' 6". This 1,000 car series was built as NYC Lot #774-B by Dispatch Shops in 1949.

Tim Gilbert

birdbiz2003 asked:
"...did the C&0 use any [USRA composite gons] in revenue service post 1947."

No. 300 of the C&O (ex-Hocking Valley) cars were rebuilt to 9-panel
all-steel cars (losing their diagonals) in 1936 (C&O 29000-29299). All of
the remaining composite cars were gone by 1938.


Ben Hom

P.S. - Please sign your posts in accordance with list guidelines. Thanks.

The classic book Farewell to Steam by David Plowden while focusing on
the actual steam loco has some great pictures for the serious modler of
freight cars. One picture shows a USRA 41 foot composite type drop
bottom gondola still in revenue service in canada or the midwest in
1956.It looked still wooden sided as some panels were see through to
the opposite side in the top right before they join the frame. I find
this book in general and the 1931 National Geographic pg 576 showing
the huge railyard of the huge chemicals from corn and grain plant at
Pekin Illinois filled with boxcars tank cars and hoppers great
resources for the prototypes.

when did the Southern RR remove from revenue service the last gon of
the 41 foot composite type and did the C & 0 use any in revenue service
post 1947. I know the Frisco converted many to steel sides in 1930's
and have photos from a website showing so.

All,
I have 2 q's
1.Is there a std height above deck for a flat car horizontal brake wheel?
Gene Green drew a M&StL 23000 series car that is approx 24". I am sure his
drawing is correct. I am 38 and 6' tall. That is a long way to bend for a
brake wheel!
2. On page 88 of the 3/2002 RMC is a photo in NH of a B&M train with P&LE
5120 in it. Is this a 10'IH car? I really am interested in a model of one
of these for some reason.(those who know me will say I am goofy, as
evidenced by the fact that I model the M&StL!) I looked in the 37 and 37mod
list from Ted's site, but did not find that series listed. A new date of
3-49 is visible on the car.

TIA,
joe binish

I wrote:
I'm hedging on height right now as I don't have an ORER at work with
me to confirm - I'll double check tonight if nobody beats me to it.

The January 1945 ORER lists the height of the GTW 106500-108499 series
as 10 ft, so the Tichy panel side USRA twin is too tall and too long.


Ben Hom