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Re: You can never have too many PFE reefers

Mike Brock <brockm@...>
 

Tom Madden asks:


"I've just posted a photo from the Colo. RR Museum collection.

http://home.att.net/~pullmanproject/Cheyenne.jpg

Date and location aren't noted, but my guess is looking east from
the bridge over the Cheyenne yard. That's 4-12-2 9014 approaching,
but look at all the PFE reefers. Plus assorted tank cars, one of
which (right side of photo) has 3 domes of two different sizes.

Is this Cheyenne? I'd like to make sure so I get this and companion
photos indexed correctly."

I think I'm willing to say it's Cheyenne. The turnouts on the left match the drawing in Darwin's book and the oil refinery to the right is in the correct place. Other features matching are the mainline turning to the right at the far end of the yard plus the enormous mess to the left where UP had its various stores and car shops.

The far right track shows H-70-1 3 bay hoppers so we can say 1948 or later.

Mike Brock


Re: Illinois Central orange box car?

mcindoefalls
 

This scheme is circa 1967 and so beyond the scope of this group, I'd imagine. But new IC
orange boxes had orange ends and galvanized roofs. Repainted older cars probably had
orange ends and the roofs could well have been orange too.

Walt Lankenau


Hello all-can any one tell me if this car had orange top and ends as
well as orange sides? Was another color ever used top and ends?
Thanks, Doug Pearce in Calif.


Illinois Central orange box car?

dphobbyman <dopear9@...>
 

Hello all-can any one tell me if this car had orange top and ends as
well as orange sides? Was another color ever used top and ends?
Thanks, Doug Pearce in Calif.


Re: Help on a Birmingham Southern caboose

hoghead32 <buckfiveoh@...>
 

--- In STMFC@..., "Garrett W. Rea" <Garrett.Rea@w...>
wrote:

All:

Any idea of the builder of this gem:

http://www.homestead.com/StagmiesALRailpics/files/JWR_100X.jpg

I saw a small photo of one of these cabs (maybe this oen?) and
thought it may be PRR N5 design, but this photo it appears much
shorter?

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Garrett Rea
Nashville, TN
The New Haven had a fleet of cabs very similar.


You can never have too many PFE reefers

pullmanboss <tgmadden@...>
 

I've just posted a photo from the Colo. RR Museum collection.

http://home.att.net/~pullmanproject/Cheyenne.jpg

Date and location aren't noted, but my guess is looking east from
the bridge over the Cheyenne yard. That's 4-12-2 9014 approaching,
but look at all the PFE reefers. Plus assorted tank cars, one of
which (right side of photo) has 3 domes of two different sizes.

Is this Cheyenne? I'd like to make sure so I get this and companion
photos indexed correctly.

Tom Madden


Help on a Birmingham Southern caboose

Garrett W. Rea <Garrett.Rea@...>
 

All:

Any idea of the builder of this gem:

http://www.homestead.com/StagmiesALRailpics/files/JWR_100X.jpg

I saw a small photo of one of these cabs (maybe this oen?) and
thought it may be PRR N5 design, but this photo it appears much
shorter?

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Garrett Rea
Nashville, TN


Identification of boxcars...

Jan Kohl <kohlj@...>
 

Hello!

Just rejoined this list after a little hiatus, and have some questions about some cars. I'm redoing some of my galleries at Castle Graphics with larger images, color correction and lighten dark areas, and some of the early freight galleries are suffering greatly as they were rapidly scanned in without any notation whatsoever. So, I'm going back to try and collect information on them.

Information about these photos would be most appreciated:
http://www.castlegraphics.com/graphic/transportation/id/freight64.jpg
http://www.castlegraphics.com/graphic/transportation/id/freight65.jpg
http://www.castlegraphics.com/graphic/transportation/id/freight66.jpg
http://www.castlegraphics.com/graphic/transportation/id/freight67.jpg
http://www.castlegraphics.com/graphic/transportation/id/freight68.jpg
http://www.castlegraphics.com/graphic/transportation/id/freight69.jpg

Thanks for the support you have given my galleries, I see a few people have been using them for what they are meant for, to use as reference for projects and railroad history.

BTW...I noticed that someone noted that some photos were without proper identification or credits. I take pride in insuring that the galleries are as correct as they possibly can be, so please use the feedback page (or email me) if you see something that is mis-identified or similar. Many photos I have were recieved without any notation on the photo whatsoever, so in many cases I have no idea if they are duplicates from another collection or if the photo captions are correct...and in some cases, I have found that they were not.
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Cheers!

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castle graphics - http://www.castlegraphics.com


Re: other PS-1 Boxcars, incl. P&WV and PRR

Charles Tapper <chastap@...>
 

OK, I have "heard-tell" of these folks. I understand that they are an insular group. Too bad, and although I am from Monroeville, PA, I live in the Four Corners, and I'm working in Birmingham, AL. Unfortunately I don't have much time or disposible income to make the rounds on meets, especially on the East coast. Darn.

And of course, Ben, you will have checked your references before citing them<G>. I only scanned the top of your response. Apologies for wasted bandwidth. You nailed it down.

Charlie Tapper

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From: Benjamin Hom
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Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 8:43 PM
Subject: RE: [STMFC] other PS-1 Boxcars, incl. P&WV and PRR


Charlie Tapper wrote:
"OK, I'll bite. What is the "P&WV Society" and how could they have "covered"
these cars? Never heard of the group, and thus I am unaware of any
publications."

There is a P&WV group that set up a large display of photos and rolling
stock model at the last MCR/MER joint regional and, IIRC, the last
Pittsburgh RPM meet. They are not listed in the Mainline Modeler historical
society calldown, and I'm not aware of any publications, but clearly some
sort of group exists. Perhaps Larry Kline or Dick Flock can shed more light
on this group.


"I believe some photos of the P&WV cars were included in the general PS-1
overview articles published in RMJ years ago."

Where did you think the references I cited in my previous e-mail came from?
If I cite a source, you can be sure that I checked it out before posting it
to the group.


Ben Hom



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Re: You can never have too many PFE reefers

SD9E@...
 

In a message dated 2/11/2005 4:57:50 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
tgmadden@... writes:

http://home.att.net/~pullmanproject/Cheyenne.jpg



Toward the left is a sort of a tower set up across one of the tracks. Is it
used for straightening up shifted lumber loads on flat cars?

Jeff Pape


Milwaukee Boxcar Question

railsnw1 <railsnw@...>
 

Trying to pin down a history of a CMSTP&P Side Rib Boxcar. The last
number the car had is MILW 33845. This is what is known: Built by the
Chicago, Milwaukee, St. Paul & Pacific shops in August 1940, original
number not known, this car was part of a class of cars ranging from
MILW 18000 to MILW 21187. In 1969 Authorization for Expenditures AFE
3551-9 was written to perform heavy repairs and reinforcements to a
number of these boxcars with this car being renumbered MILW 33845.

Anyone have any info on original number and what heavy repairs were
done later.

Thanks,

Richard


Re: Steam meets, modern meets, barbequed meets...

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Shawn Beckert said:
This whole conversation has become amusing, in a cynical, fatalistic way.
We've got vesties vs rivet counters, freight vs passenger, and the NMRA
vs just about everybody. Now we're going to add steam vs diesel vs *really
modern* diesel. If we fragment any more we're going to end up with meets
that have an attendance of a half-dozen people. Or less.
Ah, but they will really, really get a lot out of the meeting and will learn a huge amount from each other (unless of course they subdivide again).
Those who are marveling at the divisions which have surfaced were pretty likely not party to some of the rather vivid, even angry, exchanges which have taken place in the past about these issues. I will say that RIchard Hendrickson has always argued for inclusion rather than the reverse, and was instrumental in preventing the original RPM from being a "modern only" movement. But I well understand his sensitivity to perceived exclusion, as he has definitely "been there before."

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Re: Steam meets, modern meets, barbequed meets...

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Mr. Beckert wrote:
One can NEVER have enough tank car kits - ever.
Shawn Beckert, where did I put those Athearn chemical cars...
First sentiment is fine. Second one, I hope you put them in the round file . . .

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Re: RPM Meets, Was: San Francisco Bay Area PM Meet

Jim Scott
 

Bob,

Thank you for your point. No I didn't mean it that
way. Rob is open to all eras. Just let hime know.

Guess I should quit while I am ahead...

Jim
--- Bob Webber <rswebber@...> wrote:

Jim, there is a problem with this note, and you'll
not recognize it. Let
me explain. When attempting to convince an audience
that there are no
intentions at exclusions, the use of a conditional
statement completely
negates your intent. I don't doubt that you didn't
mean it that way, but
that is how it is read (having learned this the hard
way). Read the
snipped message and see what I mean:

At 09:31 AM 2/11/2005, you wrote:
John,
Couldn't agree with you more. <snip>
all are welcome at the meet. <snip> If there is
interest in the
steam era, he welcomes those modelers <snip>
Jim Scott
Lompoc, CA.
That singular *IF* negates the intent completely.
What it indicates is
that the writer sees no reason why there *should* be
any interest in such a
thing but if there actually is such a thing why then
I guess such a thing
will be allowed.

I don't write this as a criticism of you or the note
- as contradictory as
that may be. The effect is sub-conscience, and it
is likely that most
people read that and felt good - yet something
bothered them all the same.

When people are looking for non-inclusion, they will
find it - unfortunate
as that may be. This is why coaches try to explain
to their players before
important games that they have to be VERY careful
with their words lest
they show up on opponent's bulletin boards. Some
players feed on any
"disrespect" they might find.



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Re: Steam meets, modern meets, barbequed meets...

Shawn Beckert
 

Paul sez:

What do you mean "Tank car Kits" we don't need any of
those, we are waiting on "Boxcar Kits". <g>
One can NEVER have enough tank car kits - ever.

Shawn Beckert, where did I put those Athearn chemical cars...

I'm KIDDING Richard, I'm kidding!!!


Re: Steam meets, modern meets, barbequed meets...

BuyGone Treasures <buygone@...>
 

Shawn:

What do you mean "Tank car Kits" we don't need any of those, we are waiting
on "Boxcar Kits". <g>

Paul Koehler

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From: Beckert, Shawn [mailto:Shawn.Beckert@...]
Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 10:20 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Steam meets, modern meets, barbequed meets...


Jerry Glow gets philosophical:

After all, isn't seeing models a big part of why we go to these things?
Me, I just go for the beer...

This whole conversation has become amusing, in a cynical, fatalistic way.
We've got vesties vs rivet counters, freight vs passenger, and the NMRA
vs just about everybody. Now we're going to add steam vs diesel vs *really
modern* diesel. If we fragment any more we're going to end up with meets
that have an attendance of a half-dozen people. Or less.

The general public already has the impression that this is a "dying" hobby.
The media isn't helping - read the book reviews of Sam Posey's "Playing with
Trains". If we don't start working at getting along to some degree, those
obits that some people are writing about us are going to come true.

Then who are we going to get to make all those tank car kits we're waiting
on?

Shawn Beckert

"If we don't hang together, we shall certainly all hang separately"




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Re: P&WV Boxcars

Gatwood, Elden <Elden.Gatwood@...>
 

Ben;
Thanks for the info. I have a copy of Greg Martin's article, but have not seen a photo of the P&WV PS-1's, particularly roof details. However, it looks like Stan Rydarowicz' roof may be an option for this car, and other changes look to be less dramatic. I have some PRR cars to finish first, but I will get this car done.

The other P&WV car that looks really cool is the double door DF car that Paul Dunn took a photo of, that Larry Kline and Greg tell me is ex-NKP. Has anyone done that car? It looks to have an unusual side panel construction, and may have unusual ends, too. Anyone know of a source for the ends? Will Stan's 50' Viking roof be the trick for this car?

Thanks all,

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: Benjamin Hom [mailto:b.hom@...]
Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 6:42 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: RE: [STMFC] other PS-1 Boxcars, incl. P&WV and PRR


Elden Gatwood asked:
"I also understand that P&WV did their change to black paint in 1958.
Did that also involve a change in lettering to include the "symbol of
service" logo, or did that occur earlier? Have these guys been covered
in print anywhere?"

Pittsburgh & West Virginia 1300-1399, 100 cars built in 1948, 6 foot 7-panel
Superior door. The cars were delivered in boxcar red with black ends. The
"symbol of Service" slogan wasn't added until the switch to black. I don't
know if the P&WV society ever covered these cars; photos of the P&WV cars
appeared in the July 1987 issue of Model Railroading and the July 1997 issue
of Railmodel Journal. A George Sisk photo of P&WV 1375 is posted on pay
side of the RPI website at
http://railroad.union.rpi.edu/rolling-stock/Box-cars/PS-1's/XM-PS-1-P&WV-Win
ters.jpg


Ben Hom


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Steam meets, modern meets, barbequed meets...

Shawn Beckert
 

Jerry Glow gets philosophical:

After all, isn't seeing models a big part of why we go to these things?
Me, I just go for the beer...

This whole conversation has become amusing, in a cynical, fatalistic way.
We've got vesties vs rivet counters, freight vs passenger, and the NMRA
vs just about everybody. Now we're going to add steam vs diesel vs *really
modern* diesel. If we fragment any more we're going to end up with meets
that have an attendance of a half-dozen people. Or less.

The general public already has the impression that this is a "dying" hobby.
The media isn't helping - read the book reviews of Sam Posey's "Playing with
Trains". If we don't start working at getting along to some degree, those
obits that some people are writing about us are going to come true.

Then who are we going to get to make all those tank car kits we're waiting on?

Shawn Beckert

"If we don't hang together, we shall certainly all hang separately"


Re: Southern Pacific B-50-34 Boxcars

buchwaldfam <duff@...>
 

Shawn,

Great link! Thanks! The Cotton Belt pages help too!

Phil Buchwald


--- In STMFC@..., "Beckert, Shawn" <shawn.beckert@d...>
wrote:
Phil Buchwald asked:

To that end, when was the B-50-34 series constructed, and what
was the number series? I'd like to get a photo (Bob's or a
Sunshine
book?) to see what the car looks like... things like: a good
look at
the straight sills that you mentioned.

Phil,

Here is roster information courtesy of Lee Gautreaux's web site:

http://www.railgoat.railfan.net/spcars/byclass/box/b050-34.htm

Hope this helps,

Shawn Beckert


Re: A New Book Soon

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Do photo contributors get a comp copy?
Yes, you are on the list and the book should be on the way from our shipper. I don't, however, send books to those providing only one or two photos, but am happy to recognize those, like yourself, who are generous with resources.

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2942 Linden Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
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Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: A New Book Soon

BuyGone Treasures <buygone@...>
 

Tony:

Do photo contributors get a comp copy?

Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: Anthony Thompson [mailto:thompson@...]
Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 11:57 PM
To: 'STMFC@...'
Subject: [STMFC] A New Book Soon


Next out from Signature Press: Volume 3 of _Southern Pacific
Freight Cars_ which covers automobile cars and flat cars. Included are the
wood-chip cars converted from auto cars; piggyback and other flat car
conversions; and heavy-duty flat cars. Era covered is roughly 1870 to 1965
or so.
Book has 416 pages, 701 photos, 59 drawings, and lots of rosters;
price is $65. It's expected from the printer later this week, and it seems
likely it will be for sale at Winterail this year. For more info (and
on-line ordering), see our Web site (URL below).

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