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Re: Freight Tariffs

DRGW482@...
 

In a message dated 1/3/2005 9:16:54 P.M. Central Standard Time,
raildata@... writes:

No question that the freight traiffs will be preserved in Colo RR Museum.
Question is how many more should we accumulate when already pressed for
archival
storage space.

My only point is that we almost never have requests for them.

Chuck Y
Boulder CO



I think they are actually fun to read... Well, you don't want to read them
as a standard reference book or you'd go nuts! Same with station listings or
shippers guides.

I never knew what people are actually shipping! For folks that really want
to have traffic, they are neat!
Sounds like I'm the only idiot who actually paid money to get two...

Several years ago only a few people knew what ORERs are about. Now you buy
them on CDs. Sanborn maps... how many folks used them for railroad research 10
years ago? Car Builders Cyclopedias. Even 10 years ago I purchased several
for under significantly $100. Watch the prices go for them on Ebay...

The tariffs are not nearly as informative as the stuff listed above, but
it's part of the whole picture...

Martin


Freight Tariffs

Gene Green <lgreen@...>
 

Included in a lot of stuff I bought on eBay was a bunch of
supplements to Freight Tariffs. At first I was just going to throw
them away but then I thought I'd put them on eBay and see what they
would bring. Today I thumbed through them to get an idea of what
they were so I could write a description.

When I first glanced at them they looked as indecipherable as Chinese
arithmetic but perhaps these things have some use for a model
railroader. Most are dated 1956, 1957 or 1958.

One item, dated July 1, 1965, sure to be of interest "contains a
list of firms receiving carload shipments under weight agreement,
showing commodities covered. Also, a list of stations and firms
receiving carload shipments of grain, seeds, soybeans, etc. under
official weight status in order to avoid unnecessary track scale
weighing, waybills covering such shipments should be noted by issuing
agent: 'Do not weight, Destination Weights applicable'."

States included are Arkansas, Colorado, Idaho, Illinois, Indiana,
Iowa, Kansas, Louisiana, Michigan, Minnesota, Missouri, Montana,
Nebraska, New Mexico, North and South Dakota, Oklahoma, Oregon,
Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Wisconsin, and Wyoming. Commodities included
are grain and related articles, iron or steel scrap, pulpwood,
cotton, cottonseed, hides, pelts, tallow, wool, beets, raw sugar,
beans & peas, ores & concentrates, dried vegetables, scrap paper,
acid & gases, logs, fibres (sic) and more. To give an example, the
Ralston Purina Co. In Iowa Falls, Iowa receives grain, grain
products, soybeans, feed, limestone, molasses NOIBN, oils, phosphate
rock and tallow but not livestock. (NOIBN occurs here and there
throughout and I have no idea what it means.)

Section 2 lists only those stations and companies receiving
livestock. Section 3 lists only those stations and companies
receiving grain and related products. This 1965 item is clean enough
that good scans should result in case anyone is interested.

My question is, is there anyone in this group who has experience
using Freight Tariffs either in the real world or as an adjunct to
modeling?

Gene Green


Re: Freight Tariffs

raildata@...
 

No question that the freight traiffs will be preserved in Colo RR Museum.
Question is how many more should we accumulate when already pressed for archival
storage space.

My only point is that we almost never have requests for them.

Chuck Y
Boulder CO


Re: photos

Richard Hendrickson
 

I would also be interested in Hershey Reefers. I am new to this group and
have been reading with great interest many of the discussions.

I model the railroad "Ma and Pa" and am interested in obtaining information
during the steam era regarding them as well as any of their predecessor lines
(before 1901).

Hershey foods is a bit out of their area--but still somewhat in their general
vacinity. I did hear once that Broguerville, PA was home to Reeses before
Hershey had purchased it. The website that contained this information is no
longer working. Does anybody know of where I can verify this claim?
Rocky, I have photos of Hershey reefers from several different periods in
their history; what era do you model? Perhaps I should add that the
Hershey cars actually weren't reefers but insulated box cars without ice
bunkers, though they were modified versions of standard NADX reefers built
for North American Car Copr. by the Hegewisch, IL plant of the Pressed
Steel Car Co. The Hershey cars were generally operated by North American on
assigned routes, so they didn't turn up randomly on other lines. For
example, one of those routes was Hershey, PA to Oakdale, CA on the Santa
Fe, where Hershey had a plant that processed bulk chocolate into packaged
products for distribution on the west coast. No doubt Hershey had similar
satellite plants in other parts of the country. Whether and when the
Hershey cars ever traveled to the former Reese plant in Pennsylvania I
don't know.

Richard H. Hendrickson
Ashland, Oregon 97520


Re: SFRB 5800-5999 Rr64

Richard Hendrickson
 

Can anyone point me to a decent shot of Santa Fe RBL series SFRB
5800-5999? Class is Rr64.
Ron, I'm sending as an attachment a JPEG of a photo I shot at Modesto, CA
in 1971.

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Richard H. Hendrickson
Ashland, Oregon 97520


Re: Broadway Limited K7A stock car

smithbf@...
 

Tom,

You probably saw my post to PRR-talk, but just in case - as best I know
there is only one set of numbers offered so far. Hopefully we will see
additional 4 packs...

Regards
Bruce

Bruce,

The one question that seems to have escaped everyone is how many numbers
are available from Broadway Limited when you buy more than one
four-pack? So if you buy more than the four cars, does that mean that
you have to scrub the numbers off the rest and renumber them, with the
possibility that you may have to repaint the car?

There seems to be no listing of individual car numbers or groups of
numbers that are available, similar to what was offered with the N&W
H2a
hoppers. Since there has been no H2a Hoppers, either undecorated or
decorated but without numbers made available (even though they are
catalogued), one would sense that it would be prudent to buy the
decorated cars and do your own thing. What are your feelings regarding
this?

The other rumor that I had heard was the Tony wentzel and the fellow who
was the head of QSI are no longer with Broadway Limited. I heard this
from my hobby dealer, but no one knows who is now in charge or if they
were bought out or kicked out by the other backers. Anything on this?

Tom Olsen
7 Boundary Road, West Branch
Newark, Delaware, 19711-7479
(302) 738-4292
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Re: NY State- Finger Lakes/Southern Tier

cripete <pjboylanboylan@...>
 

--- In STMFC@..., "PGrace" <pgrace@a...> wrote:
Does anyone know what the main industries were in the Finger Lakes
area
of New York State in the period 1945 - 1955

I am in the process of planning a new club HO American and want to
make sure
that the industries are reasonable....
Patrick Grace

Patrick:
The other replies you have received should be helpful ,
but you should be also aware that this was a region that
produced major amounts of the small arms weaponry ( e.g.
Remington and Ithaca) and was the major source of
edged weaponry used by U.S. Armed Forces.
CAMILLUS, CATTARAUGUS, ONTARIO, QUEEN, and ROBESON were
among the well known cutlers that come to mind.

In Olean, immediately S.W. of the Finger Lake country,
Union Cutlery (Ka-Bar trench knives, among others) and
Aldase Cutlery were producing. The latter had been founded
by Alcoa's domestics division (Wearever pots, et al) and Case
knives to make reasonably priced civilian goods. Case Cutlery,
by the way, was in Bradford, Pennsylvania. This home of
cigarette lighters, specialty glass goods, and the only
railroad company surgeon (ERIE) that held a ticket to
hold down the right hand seat box that he used on weekends,
was just over the hills to the south of the Lake region.
Geneva Forge, and Utica Forge were producing all sorts of
military goods. Oneida Community, makers of table cutery,
knocked out some 210 million serving pieces (a/ks) for WW2.

I do not have everything at finger tips, but recall
some staggering (i.e. to me) figures.
Camillus, for instance, became economically secure as a result
of producing 1/2 million knives and bayonets for the Great
War. We were only in that show for a year and half. The
Watervliet Arsenal, and I presume others, proofed nearly a
quarter million artillery breech blocks made for the Second
World War, by makers in the central New York region.

Local history societies, as well as urban public libraries,
and the academic reference libraries, have books or periodicals
produced after the war by manufacturers that give details of
what they accomplished. Commonly, they have titles such as,
"Wow We Won our E". This refers to the blue and red standards
having a big block letter 'E', given to makers of war materials.
This was for maximal Effort, in fulfilling production goals.

The nature of modern war being what it is, all goods are
war materiale. So every organized form of production, of any
kind, was given incentives. Hence, everybody from Twinky makers
to bulldozer producers, justifiably - could feel part of the
struggle, and could, and did, leave behind an enormous collection
of production details.

Cornell University's library , being
both in the heart of the region and possessing in-depth
regional economic holdings, would be the first place to
start looking for this material. Since you are in England
this will require some phoning and ultimately, going
through a major (probably, academic)library over there to
work out interlibrary loans; if needed.
What you will have in England is copies of the,
"THOMAS REGISTER of MANUFACTURERS and TOP HANDS in ALL LINES",
in the British Museum. They also are going to be
available in various years at major Research Libraries, but
few will have every years because of the tonnage of printed
paper involved. These are annuals issued giving
names and locations of purveyors of processed or manufactured
goods in the United States. In the time frame you are interested in
they are very good for locating production points. Today, because
of: the centralization of producers and a diminution of
their overall numbers; the loss of domestic producers, with
their replacement by importers; and lastly, the
separation of clerical activities directly related to
sales from production sites, the current volumes have little
utility for locating discrete production sites.

Fifty years ago, there are also some discordancies,but
a researcher with some knowledge of the nation will
recognize the major office districts in New York, Chicago,
Philadelphia, and a few other places when they appear in
"THOMAS' REGISTER". Thus, when a producer lists
a Park Avenue,Broad Street, and so forth...form of address
-one can discount these appearances as production nodes.

Manufacturing activity with a strong bias towards both small
firms, and needing proximaty to related producers and
suppliers of materials (such as the fashion clothing industry and
notions making and selling), will require more detailed local
information.

Still, none of these activities are heavy industry
related, and their finished products were users of LCL
and express services, rather than carload. If you
know zilch about an industry , you would be advised
to get the Input-Output tables from the Dept. of Commerce,
for the time period, and the industry that concerns you .
However, that is not what your folks will need to do
to accomplish there ends.

There is one other Finger Lakes related military phenomenon.
Sampson Naval Base on Lake Keuka, was the principal U.S.
Navy boot camp( i.e.basic training base) for the eastern U.S.
So lots of trainloads of once, and future tars, were online
in WW2 through Korean War.
In mid 50s it became a state park.

Good-Luck, Peter Boylan


Re: photos

W.B.
 

--- In STMFC@..., Carrock1998@a... wrote:
I would also be interested in Hershey Reefers. I am new to this
group and
have been reading with great interest many of the discussions.

I model the railroad "Ma and Pa" and am interested in obtaining
information
during the steam era regarding them as well as any of their
predecessor lines
(before 1901).

Hershey foods is a bit out of their area--but still somewhat in
their general
vacinity. I did hear once that Broguerville, PA was home to
Reeses before
Hershey had purchased it. The website that contained this
information is no
longer working. Does anybody know of where I can verify this
claim?


A history of Reeses is available at the following web site:
<http://www.hersheys.com/products/details/reesespeanutbuttercups.asp>



Mr. Westerfield--do you plan on producing the Ma and Pa cars that
you
produced a number of years ago again?

I am learning so much from all of you.

Robert R (Rocky) Jackson



Re: Rolling Resistance Data for selected trucks.

Tim O'Connor
 

... trucks are only a small proportion of the overall mass in
this kind of test as opposed to the tester with only the mass
of the truck.
The Reboxx tester can really only be used to compare the change in
rolling resistance of a particular set of sideframes, with different
wheelsets. It is useless for predicting performance under an actual
model car. I discovered years ago that Kato trucks roll incredibly
well -- until you put a car body on them. They do perform much
better after I replace the wheelsets with Reboxx.

I've been trying to talk my club into building an inclined ramp
with an electronic HO scale speedometer at the bottom. This should
allow fairly accurate car-to-car comparisons regardless of the brand
of trucks and wheels in use.

Tim O.


Re: Freight Tariffs

raildata@...
 

We have a ton of Freight Tariffs at the Colo RR Museum.

Aside from some lawyers who show up once in a while to use them there seems
tob e no obvious use for them or info contained in them.

Chuck Yungkurth
Boulder CO


Re: S.S.W. 20067 & U.P. 193685

Shawn Beckert
 

Rob,

I'm pretty sure I have drawings and specs for the SSW cars at home. Give me a day or two
to dig them out and I'll get the information to you.

Shawn Beckert

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 11:18 AM
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Subject: [STMFC] S.S.W. 20067 & U.P. 193685



Thanks again for the further detail on the SSW car. Those ACR sides are neat, if a challenge, but if I start with unpainted models, or strip models and apply Athearn rivets, I should be able to get close enough. Depending on the accuracy of the info out there.

I've done a search this morning of the Model Trains Magazine Index and, while I found a Feb 1979 article in Prototype Modeler that may relate to the Cotton Belt car, I found absolutely nothing for the UP car. So two follow up questions:

1) can anyone with a Feb 1979 copy of the Prototype Modeler mag check it to see if the article covers (especially with drawings) the SSW 20000-20094 series cars? and

2) does anyone know where drawings showing rivet placement on the UP 193000-193748, Class B-50-33, built 1941-42 at Omaha can be had?

Thanks again

Rob Kirkham






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Re: M&StL

Tim O'Connor
 

There is a 1960 color photo of one of these cars in Morning Sun's
Rock Island In Color, Volume 1, page 65. By then they were fairly
weathered, and it looks pretty much like other box car colors, a
dull brownish red.

I picked up my BCR version of this car last Thursday and was very
surprised to see just how bright the red is.
Me, too, Bill. I'll be interested in what the Louie mavens have to
say about this.

Richard H. Hendrickson
Ashland, Oregon 97520


Re: SFRB 5800-5999 Rr64

Tim O'Connor
 

Builder photo, page 355 of the 1961 Car Builder Cyclopedia.

Can anyone point me to a decent shot of Santa Fe RBL series SFRB
5800-5999? Class is Rr64.


Re: Stock cars, etc.

charles slater
 

The Ft-M class cars were 40 foot cars not 50 foot. Another Athearn mistake.
Charlie Slater
Bakersfield Ca.

From: Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@...>
Reply-To: STMFC@...
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Stock cars, etc.
Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 14:39:36 -0800

I noticed in the 4th quarter "Warbonnet" announcements section the IM
Sk-T stock cars kits are expected to be available. I'm guessing
production
is way behind however it appears that kits will be offered _sometime_!
Also noted is an Athearn Ft-M flat car with early trailers. Does
anyone
know if these are new cars or just repaint schemes on old cars?
Same antique Athearn flat cars, though with improved paint/lettering.

As for the IM stock cars, I can't tell you exactly when the kits will be
available, but I've just finished building two models from pre-production
parts and I'm currently working on an illustrated kit review for the
Warbonnet. The kits are among the best ever done in HO scale. They take
time to assemble, as there are lots of detail parts (including
free-standing wire grabs, etc.) but the holes for the wire parts are cored
and everything fits together very well. All parts are included to model
any of the five classes of Pennsyvania Car Co. stock cars - both KC and AB
air brakes, vertical staff and Ajax hand brakes, letterboards for all
periods in the history of the cars, two styles of end doors, etc. etc. The
sides for the double deck Sk-Q and Sk-S class cars are still in the process
of being tooled, but the decks, doors, and hoisting mechanisms for these
cars are included on the parts sprues. We owe a lot to list member Marty
McGuirk for thorough research on the prototypes and thoughtful design and
engineering on the models. Anyone who doesn't like these kits should be
advised to take up some other hobby like quilting or bottle cap collecting.

Richard H. Hendrickson
Ashland, Oregon 97520


Re: Walthers USRA Gondolas

Westerfield <westerfield@...>
 

John - The Walthers gons are not correct. Even though their development manager attended my clinic and took the handout describing the cars, they put the wrong lettering on them - the car numbers are for physically different clones delivered in 1923 or 1925 (I forget which) that had different drop ends and other details. Go figure. - Al Westerfield

----- Original Message -----
From: John Golden
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 5:23 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Walthers USRA Gondolas


Guys,

Has anyone done research on the Walthers USRA gons?
I'm interested in the NYC car--are they the right
color (they come painted black), right numbers, right
details, etc. for the early 1950s period? Thanks much
for the assist.

John

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O'Fallon, IL
http://www.pbase.com/golden1014



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Re: obsolete M&StL freight cars

Douglas Harding <d.harding@...>
 

Great post Gene. I too would like to see that train, in HO. Now the
question. In HO, what models would best replicated this train? I have an
idea, but as you know freight cars, including available models, I just have
to ask?

Doug Harding
Iowa Central Railroad
http://d.harding.home.mchsi.com/


Re: Rolling Resistance Data for selected trucks.

Norman+Laraine Larkin <lono@...>
 

Andy,
When Reboxx first demonstrated their wheelsets at the NSMRC, they used an Athern boxcar and trucks. I believe they ran three tests. The first was straight Athern including wheels. The second was with Kadee replacement sets, and the third was Reboxx wheels. The tests consisted of placing the car on a 2.5% grade and letting it run free. Rolling capabilities were based on distance the cars traveled beyond the bottom of the grade. The difference between the Reboxx and the other two was dramatic. The Reboxx set traveled 30-40 feet further than either of the others. The point here is the trucks are only a small proportion of the overall mass in this kind of test as opposed to the tester with only the mass of the truck. I believe it is a better evaluation method, though cumbersome. In short, I agree with you.
Regards,
Norm Larkin

----- Original Message -----
From: Andy Miller
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 9:10 AM
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Rolling Resistance Data for selected trucks.


Denny,

The low initial numbers on many trucks leads me to wonder how much of the
poor performance is a function not of roll-resistance but rather of lack of
momentum on the roll tester. Very lightweight trucks such as the Lindberg
performed poorly. When they were first introduced in the 60s, the Lindberg
truck was famous for enabling cars to roll very, very well, despite the fact
that the naked truck did not roll well at all! Given metal wheel sets they
have far more momentum and therefore roll well. I perceive that a different
type of roll test, one with equal weight of truck, might produce different
results, and ones more akin to what you might expect under a 3.5 oz HO
freight car.

regards,

Andy Miller

-----Original Message-----
From: Denny Anspach [mailto:danspach@...]
Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 11:16 PM
To: Steam Era Freight Car List
Subject: [STMFC] Rolling Resistance Data for selected trucks.


Using a Reboxx rolltester, here are my findings in testing some selected
trucks to determine the best wheel sets allowing the most rolls. I have only
had the roll tester for 16 months, so a lot of different trucks that were
converted prior that time cannot be listed, inasmuch as they were only
"eyeball" tested.
The numbers given are the number of rolls observed, each movement counted no
matter how small.

10 0r less: Not acceptable
10-13: Minimally acceptable.
14-20: Acceptable
21 and above: Ideal

Kadee Bettendorf:
* Original Kadee wheels: 4, 4, 4.
* Reboxx 1.020" wheels: 16, 17, 19.

Kadee Bettendorf T-section:
* Original Kadee wheels: 14, 15, 15.
* Reboxx 1.020": 20, 19, 19.
Kadee ARchbar:
* Original Kadee wheels: 8,8,8.
* Reboxx 1.025": 17, 17, 18.
* Reboxx 1.020": 8, 8, 8.

Central Valley Archbar:
* CV wheels: 8, 8, 8
* Reboxx 1.020" 12, 13, 14, 14, 14.

Lindberg (no weight)
* Lindberg wheels: 4, 4, 4.
* Reboxx 1.020": 9,9,8.
* Reboxx 1.020": 19. 26. 23.

Accurail Bettendorf:
* Accurail wheels: 11, 11, 11.
* Reboxx 1.010": 23, 22, 22.

Accurail Andrews:
* Accurail wheels: 8, 8, 8.
* Reboxx 1.030": 20, 20, 20.
* Reboxx 1.025": 22, 22, 23.

Athearn "AAR" #1:
Reboxx 1.030" 26, 26, 25.

Athearn "AAR" #2:
Athearn metal wheels: 15, 16, 16.
Reboxx 1.025": 21, 21, 21.
Reboxx 1.030": 19, 19, 19.
Reboxx 1.035": 20, 21, 22.

I have others as well, mostly passenger.

Denny


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Sacramento, California




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Re: Rolling Resistance Data for selected trucks.

Andy Miller <asmiller@...>
 

Denny,

The low initial numbers on many trucks leads me to wonder how much of the
poor performance is a function not of roll-resistance but rather of lack of
momentum on the roll tester. Very lightweight trucks such as the Lindberg
performed poorly. When they were first introduced in the 60s, the Lindberg
truck was famous for enabling cars to roll very, very well, despite the fact
that the naked truck did not roll well at all! Given metal wheel sets they
have far more momentum and therefore roll well. I perceive that a different
type of roll test, one with equal weight of truck, might produce different
results, and ones more akin to what you might expect under a 3.5 oz HO
freight car.

regards,

Andy Miller

-----Original Message-----
From: Denny Anspach [mailto:danspach@...]
Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 11:16 PM
To: Steam Era Freight Car List
Subject: [STMFC] Rolling Resistance Data for selected trucks.


Using a Reboxx rolltester, here are my findings in testing some selected
trucks to determine the best wheel sets allowing the most rolls. I have only
had the roll tester for 16 months, so a lot of different trucks that were
converted prior that time cannot be listed, inasmuch as they were only
"eyeball" tested.
The numbers given are the number of rolls observed, each movement counted no
matter how small.

10 0r less: Not acceptable
10-13: Minimally acceptable.
14-20: Acceptable
21 and above: Ideal

Kadee Bettendorf:
* Original Kadee wheels: 4, 4, 4.
* Reboxx 1.020" wheels: 16, 17, 19.

Kadee Bettendorf T-section:
* Original Kadee wheels: 14, 15, 15.
* Reboxx 1.020": 20, 19, 19.
Kadee ARchbar:
* Original Kadee wheels: 8,8,8.
* Reboxx 1.025": 17, 17, 18.
* Reboxx 1.020": 8, 8, 8.

Central Valley Archbar:
* CV wheels: 8, 8, 8
* Reboxx 1.020" 12, 13, 14, 14, 14.

Lindberg (no weight)
* Lindberg wheels: 4, 4, 4.
* Reboxx 1.020": 9,9,8.
* Reboxx 1.020": 19. 26. 23.

Accurail Bettendorf:
* Accurail wheels: 11, 11, 11.
* Reboxx 1.010": 23, 22, 22.

Accurail Andrews:
* Accurail wheels: 8, 8, 8.
* Reboxx 1.030": 20, 20, 20.
* Reboxx 1.025": 22, 22, 23.

Athearn "AAR" #1:
Reboxx 1.030" 26, 26, 25.

Athearn "AAR" #2:
Athearn metal wheels: 15, 16, 16.
Reboxx 1.025": 21, 21, 21.
Reboxx 1.030": 19, 19, 19.
Reboxx 1.035": 20, 21, 22.

I have others as well, mostly passenger.

Denny


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Sacramento, California




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SFRB 5800-5999 Rr64

mopacfirst
 

Can anyone point me to a decent shot of Santa Fe RBL series SFRB
5800-5999? Class is Rr64. I have tried the usual places I look for
photos, and it's not in the Santa Fe books I have. Because I'm primarily
interested in the mechanical details, it doesn't have to be in the
as-built paint scheme.

This car was produced by Branchline, and I don't want to start building it
until I know I can modify it. I'm expecting some differences around the
sill steps and the ends of the side sill, based on a lot of the other
Santa Fe cars of the era. This will also be the first time I add a
cushion underframe to a Branchline car, so it should be interesting.

Ron Merrick (aka mopacfirst)

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obsolete M&StL freight cars

Gene Green <lgreen@...>
 

Minneapolis, January 23, 1953

Mr. W.O. Rux,
Mr. F.B. Clark,
Mr. C.S. Weatherill,
Mr. R.C. Goebel,
Mr. F. B . Matthews:

At Marshalltown, as of this time, we have on hand a considerable
number of freight cars in heavy bad order.

In this group, there is a considerable number of obsolete units, and
the cost of repairs to these and others, is such to make it
unprofitable rehabilitate them for further use.

We have therefore arranged to, through outright sale, dispose of 103
of these cars.

Attached hereto is a list of 53 box cars and 50 hoppers, a total of
103 units, which the Mechanical Department will now put in proper
running order, and the Transportation Department will assemble in a
train to leave Marshalltown January 30th, 1953, billed to The Purdy
Company, Burnham, Illinois, and routed Peoria-GM&O - IHB delivery.

Mr. Rux has made tentative arrangements with the GM&O concerning this
movement, but he will now proceed and make a specific arrangement, it
being the intention to move the cars intact between Peoria and
Burnham.

Mr. Rux will also issue the necessary specific instructions in
respect of the waybilling for this movement.

Mr. Clark will in due time submit to this office, certification as to
the exact cars that were included in the train movement, and which
are eventually delivered to the GM&O at Peoria.

It should be understood that there are to be no substitutions in
respect of the specific cars included in the attached statement.

Mr. Weatherill will arrange to include these units in AFE issued to
cover retirement of freight cars in 1953.

We shall wish to have your acknowledgment of receipt of this letter.

J.W. Devins
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Now this is a train I wish I had seen!

The train was made up of 39 24000 series box cars which were a
variation of the 1929 ARA 40-ton single-sheathed design; 14 box cars
from 52000 series which were 'USRA' box cars built by the M&StL on
USRA reefer underframes from the C&NW; 8 two-bay open hoppers from
the 63001 series; and 42 two-bay open hoppers from the 65001 series.
Both hopper series were used USRA hoppers the M&StL acquired in 1941
and 1944 respectively.

The officials named had the following titles:
Mr. W.O. Rux - Asst. to Genl. Mgr. (Car Service)
Mr. F.B. Clark - General Superintendent
Mr. C.S. Weatherill - Chief Engineer
Mr. R.C. Goebel - Mechanical Superintendent
Mr. F. B . Matthews - Purchasing Agent
J.W. Devins - President (had been VP & GM for years)

Gene Green

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