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Re: More old photos

Roger Miener <Roger.Miener@...>
 

Tim O'Connor says ...

I don't think it's a DC-3... so what is it?
http://content.lib.utah.edu/USHS_Shipler/image/88058152382002_39222000700570.jpg

Hi Tim,

Think Convair ... That is my first guess ... DC-3s were tail draggers
and the animal in question certainly ain't a tail dragger. Convairs
were tricycles. They had a nose wheel.

Oops, let's think about this again. Maybe it is a DC-bigger than 3 -
everything from Douglas after the three had a nose wheel.

So does that make it a DC-4? I don't know. It is obvious that the
airplane in the photo has four engines (I think that Convairs of the
era only had two engines) and this dude has got a nose wheel. Well,
DC-4, DC-6 ??? Pretty sure it ain't a DC-7.

Roger Miener
at Tacoma WA


Re: More old photos

Tim O'Connor
 

You'll also find for example a lot full of PIE trailers and cabs from 1946
http://content.lib.utah.edu/cgi-bin/htmldoc.exe?CISOROOT=/USHS_Shipler&CISOPTR=9902

P-I-E truck terminal
http://content.lib.utah.edu/USHS_Shipler/image/35721179102002_39222000706841.jpg
Oil refinery... (north of Salt Lake City)
http://content.lib.utah.edu/USHS_Shipler/image/17323172082002_39222000702980.jpg
http://content.lib.utah.edu/USHS_Shipler/image/98322172082002_39222000702972.jpg
Utah Apex mine... (defies description)
http://content.lib.utah.edu/USHS_Shipler/image/75222172082002_39222000702964.jpg
http://content.lib.utah.edu/USHS_Shipler/image/12819172592002_39222000706221.jpg
Texaco oil dealer... (neat as a pin)
http://content.lib.utah.edu/USHS_Shipler/image/88716182862002_164412286200239222000702956.jpg
Union Portland Cement, Devil's Slide...
http://content.lib.utah.edu/USHS_Shipler/image/74214172592002_39222000706171.jpg
Gold Coast at Salt Lake City...
http://content.lib.utah.edu/USHS_Shipler/image/48314182862002_144412286200239222000702790.jpg
Castle Valley train...
http://content.lib.utah.edu/USHS_Shipler/image/47133214112002_39222000728423.jpg
Citizen's Coal Company... (before and after)
http://content.lib.utah.edu/USHS_Shipler/image/4415182862002_144412286200239222000702816.jpg
http://content.lib.utah.edu/USHS_Shipler/image/64121172082002_39222000702832.jpg
Magna-Arthur Mills... (is this what they call a stamp mill?)
http://content.lib.utah.edu/USHS_Shipler/image/9052172592002_39222000700869.jpg
Moffat Road, Colorado... (is this Rollins Pass?)
http://content.lib.utah.edu/USHS_Shipler/image/18520179102002_39222000706833.jpg
UP in Weber Canyon... (musta been a washout)
http://content.lib.utah.edu/USHS_Shipler/image/9218179102002_39222000706791.jpg
"Cudahy Crossing"... (FGE reefers on D&RGW. Look at those brake beams.)
http://content.lib.utah.edu/USHS_Shipler/image/29615151482002_39222000700489.jpg
I don't think it's a DC-3... so what is it?
http://content.lib.utah.edu/USHS_Shipler/image/88058152382002_39222000700570.jpg

Tim O.


Re: tank car question

Richard Hendrickson
 

Would anyone be able to steer me to information on when, why, where
and who handrail enclosed platforms were used/started on certain
tankers? I appreciate your time.

Aubrey Wiley
Lynchburg, Va.
Railed platforms began to appear at least as early as the mid-1930s. They
were hardly ever applied to cars in petroleum service but became common on
cars used for chemical and acid loading, which did not have bottom
discharge valves, and on high pressure cars which were both loaded and
unloaded through valves in the valve casing on top of the tank. The
purpose of railed platforms was, of course, increased safety for workmen
who frequently had to handle loading and unloading equipment on top of the
tank.

Richard H. Hendrickson
Ashland, Oregon 97520


tank car question

Aubrey Wiley <VgnRy43@...>
 

Would anyone be able to steer me to information on when, why, where
and who handrail enclosed platforms were used/started on certain
tankers? I appreciate your time.

Aubrey Wiley
Lynchburg, Va.


Re: More old photos

Bob Webber <zephyr1@...>
 

Oh - for some nice tanks, check out photo 142

At 09:14 PM 11/20/2004, you wrote:

Sorry for the interruption - but some of these are just too nice not to
share...

For those who went into the Utah Shipler collection and DIDN'T look at the
panoramic collection, you missed out. The description say "the beauty of
the intermountain west in panoramic photos". Well if you are a mine
lover, a railroad lover or a truck lover I suppose that is so.

You'll also find for example a lot full of PIE trailers and cabs from 1946

http://content.lib.utah.edu/cgi-bin/htmldoc.exe?CISOROOT=/USHS_Shipler&CISOPTR=9902

But there is the Gold Coast Limited, there are a few UP photos, there are A
LOT of mine photos, and a lot of general railroad photos masquerading as
mine load photos. You won't find nice close ups, but you will find some
great scenes and some great ideas. And you will
see some cars there that just don't seem to be in the right place.

Searching is a bit harder, but it's worth while taking your time looking at
some of the coal and iron mining operations. There are some hoopers in the
iron mining scenes that are kind of useful. Your mileage may vary, and I
know this is all western stuff, but there are some neat photos in this part
of the collection. Besides, taking a look at the Bingham hole in the
ground with all those trains running around the bowl is really neat....





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More old photos

Bob Webber <zephyr1@...>
 

Sorry for the interruption - but some of these are just too nice not to share...

For those who went into the Utah Shipler collection and DIDN'T look at the panoramic collection, you missed out. The description say "the beauty of the intermountain west in panoramic photos". Well if you are a mine lover, a railroad lover or a truck lover I suppose that is so.

You'll also find for example a lot full of PIE trailers and cabs from 1946

http://content.lib.utah.edu/cgi-bin/htmldoc.exe?CISOROOT=/USHS_Shipler&CISOPTR=9902

But there is the Gold Coast Limited, there are a few UP photos, there are A LOT of mine photos, and a lot of general railroad photos masquerading as mine load photos. You won't find nice close ups, but you will find some great scenes and some great ideas. And you will
see some cars there that just don't seem to be in the right place.

Searching is a bit harder, but it's worth while taking your time looking at some of the coal and iron mining operations. There are some hoopers in the iron mining scenes that are kind of useful. Your mileage may vary, and I know this is all western stuff, but there are some neat photos in this part of the collection. Besides, taking a look at the Bingham hole in the ground with all those trains running around the bowl is really neat....


Re: Mather Stock cars

Brian Carlson
 

Thanks Richard, now what to do with them, since neither works for my 1957 layout. Maybe I'll repaint them into a later Mather, CB&Q, B&O or NP those seem to have been around longer.

Brian carlson

Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@...> wrote:
I've got two LL P2k Mather stock cars I'd like some more information
about, specifically the time of lease. I've re-read Richard
Hendrickso's articles in the Nov. and dec. 1987 Model Railroading,
but they don't have the information I am looking for. I don't have
the 1997 issue to read the review.

From Richard's article I see that the ACY had 15 cars double deck in
the series 285-299, however, when did the ACY lease end. The data in
the table is from 1948. The P2k car has a 1949 reweigh date.
3 cars remained in this series in 10/50 and 1/53; all were gone by 1/55.

I also have a Gotham Stock Express car, GSX 4081, During what time
frame did Mather use the GSX reporting marks, I couldn't find them in
the 1955 ORER I own.
Cars frequently came and went from Mather's own fleet as they were leased
to, or returned from, lessees. The ORERs show a bunch of GSX cars in the
late 1940s but none in the mid-1950s.

Richard H. Hendrickson
Ashland, Oregon 97520



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Re: FS 1900 ORER

Westerfield <westerfield@...>
 

Ted - For $20 I'll sell you the June 1900 issue on disk! - Al
At $650, I'll borrow this one or any other late 19th or early 20th
Century ORER from Stanford and photocopy it for you for the bargain
price of $500!

Regards,
Ted Culotta



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Re: Mather Stock cars

Richard Hendrickson
 

I've got two LL P2k Mather stock cars I'd like some more information
about, specifically the time of lease. I've re-read Richard
Hendrickso's articles in the Nov. and dec. 1987 Model Railroading,
but they don't have the information I am looking for. I don't have
the 1997 issue to read the review.

From Richard's article I see that the ACY had 15 cars double deck in
the series 285-299, however, when did the ACY lease end. The data in
the table is from 1948. The P2k car has a 1949 reweigh date.
3 cars remained in this series in 10/50 and 1/53; all were gone by 1/55.

I also have a Gotham Stock Express car, GSX 4081, During what time
frame did Mather use the GSX reporting marks, I couldn't find them in
the 1955 ORER I own.
Cars frequently came and went from Mather's own fleet as they were leased
to, or returned from, lessees. The ORERs show a bunch of GSX cars in the
late 1940s but none in the mid-1950s.

Richard H. Hendrickson
Ashland, Oregon 97520


CGTX tank cars

Brian Carlson
 

Were any of the CGTX tankcars in the 1001-1100 ACF Type 27's. If so
how usual was it to see CGTX cars in the US in the mid-late 1950's

Thanks
Brian carlson.


Brass Westinghouse KC brake castings

Rob Adams
 

I need to apply KC brake components to some brass waycar models and am seeking recommendations from fellow modelers about the available parts. Since I don't have access to a hobby shop that stocks such things, I would have to order them sight-unseen. As we know, not all castings are created equal. Do any of you have experience with the various KC offerings from Cal Scale, Precision Scale, etc.? Can you recommend any of them as being comparable in proportions, fidelity, etc. to the styrene parts such as those from Tichy?

Thanks in advance.

Kind regards, Rob Adams


Mather Stock cars

Brian Carlson
 

I've got two LL P2k Mather stock cars I'd like some more information
about, specifically the time of lease. I've re-read Richard
Hendrickso's articles in the Nov. and dec. 1987 Model Railroading,
but they don't have the information I am looking for. I don't have
the 1997 issue to read the review.

From Richard's article I see that the ACY had 15 cars double deck in
the series 285-299, however, when did the ACY lease end. The data in
the table is from 1948. The P2k car has a 1949 reweigh date.

I also have a Gotham Stock Express car, GSX 4081, During what time
frame did Mather use the GSX reporting marks, I couldn't find them in
the 1955 ORER I own.

Thanks
Brian Carlson


Re: M&StL green

armprem
 

Gotcha.LOLROF.A

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From: "Anthony Thompson" <thompson@...>
To: <STMFC@...>
Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 1:27 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: M&StL green



Clark Propst wrote:
Sorry Marty, I'm not interested in the green or red cars. They have
been done before. Only interested in the 54000's in bcr. Remember I'm
the guy buying them. Would you like me to pole the M&StL yahoo group?
Wow! Am I glad I'm not in that group! That's going to HURT!

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2942 Linden Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history





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Re: M&StL green

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Clark Propst wrote:
Sorry Marty, I'm not interested in the green or red cars. They have
been done before. Only interested in the 54000's in bcr. Remember I'm
the guy buying them. Would you like me to pole the M&StL yahoo group?
Wow! Am I glad I'm not in that group! That's going to HURT!

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2942 Linden Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: LV Scale Test Car Info (was info needed)

Benjamin Hom <b.hom@...>
 

Bud Rindfleisch asked:
"I'm in need of anyone with an ORER from about 1950 on up to the 60's,
to take a peek and see if info exists on the dimensions of an LV scale test
car # 96670 or 96672. I know this might not qualify as a freight car by the
scope of this group, but I'm hitting a lot of bumping posts trying to find
this
info and was hoping someone would be kind enough to help out."

Bud, the only non-revenue cars that the LV listed in their ORER entries are
cabooses. You're better off looking in a diagram book.


Ben Hom


Re: M&StL green

rockroll50401 <cepropst@...>
 

--- In STMFC@..., Marty McGuirk <mac@i...> wrote:
Clark,

Thanks for the feedback.

My intention is to do four car numbers -- on kits -- on our 1937
AAR
boxcar -- two of them in red and two in green.

If you send me the exact car numbers made on the BLT and RC kits I
will
do my best not to duplicate the numbers they did.

These will be very limited runs (I don't want to end up with an
inventory problem again), produced almost to dealer orders with
just a
little over.

Marty
Sorry Marty, I'm not interested in the green or red cars. They have
been done before. Only interested in the 54000's in bcr. Remember I'm
the guy buying them. Would you like me to pole the M&StL yahoo group?
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa


Re: info needed

BlackDiamondRR@...
 

Hello again,
I'm in need of anyone with an ORER from about 1950 on up to the 60's,
to take a peek and see if info exists on the dimensions of an LV scale test
car # 96670 or 96672. I know this might not qualify as a freight car by the
scope of this group, but I'm hitting a lot of bumping posts trying to find this
info and was hoping someone would be kind enough to help out. Many thanks in
advance!

Bud Rindfleisch


Re: discontinued Sunshine cars (was M&StL green)

pullmanboss <tgmadden@...>
 

Paul Lyons wrote:
Tom, You wrote "Martin knows how to cast one piece resin castings
and for his own reasons has choosen not to so". I, and I hope others
on this list, find that statement extremely interesting. One piece
castings,in my opinion and I think yours, are the future of resin
castings, yet Martin doesn't care to do them. How can this be,
unless you are wrong and he really doesn't know how to cast one
piece bodies, or he feels he can make enough money(hard to believe)
before the next generation of resin kits takes over. <

By previous arrangement I gave Martin a 2-hour closed mold casting
tutorial in July 1999 at the Santa Fe Society meet in Denver. I did
the same for Al at Naperville that October. Al had his first one-
piece body kit, the MILW gondola, on the market that December. We're
still waiting for Martin. He feels he can be as busy as he wants to
be for as long as he wants without taking the risk of switching
technologies.

And it is a risk. Al alternately curses and thanks me for showing
him the way. Flat casting is a batch process - mix lots of resin,
fill lots of molds, cap 'em and let 'em cure overnight. Closed mold
casting is one (or a few, depending on the resin) at a time. Plus
you need one or more pressure tanks and a decent air compressor.
Better products, but more work, more equipment and lower production.
Al bit the bullet early and went from there. Martin can only see the
large effort it would take to convert his product line to one-piece
bodies, at a time when he's got more business than he can handle as
it is.

Tom Madden


Re: FS 1900 ORER

Dave Nelson <muskoka@...>
 

Yeah, not to mention that Al sells the June 1900 ORER on cd for $20.

Actually, there are a lot of times I don't post such leads because I know
the price is way out of line for common items. And sometimes it's not
posted because I buy it myself (e.g., two ancient CBD's from Germany for
$64, incl shiping). But in this case I posted it because it was unusual,
not because I thought it was a fair price.

Dave Nelson

-----Original Message-----
From: Schuyler Larrabee [mailto:schuyler.larrabee@...]
Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 7:47 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: RE: [STMFC] FS 1900 ORER


Subject: [STMFC] FS 1900 ORER
1. The Official Railway Equipment Register. Six
Volumes.
Bound as One Volume. by (anon). New York. The
Railway
Equipment and Publication Company.

The price of the book is US$ 650.00
WOW! Guess my 1901 was a better deal than I thought . . .

SGL



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