AHM / Roco had a heavy duty fishbelly flat in HO similar to the car
in the
picture. I don't know if the car has been offered in the recent decades
but
it did exist (along with the more familiar depressed center flat) as an
AHM
import during the mid 60's.
AMTRAK had some of these cars which they inherited from DODX.
Charlie Vlk

Charlie,

The Roco car is pretty good for the 1953 Magor built cars. USAX is not
one of these (obviously, given the 1949 date <G>, but also due to some
construction spotting features like sill height) so that's why I was
asking. I am curious to know more about its history.

Regards
Bruce
Bruce Smith
Auburn AL

Charlie Vlk wrote

I haven't cross-referenced them with the NP equipment, but I know
that the CB&Q built flatcars using a NP design that, at least
generally, looks like the models being discussed here.

Yep. Aaron has photos of his model on his web site, and mentions
the NP/CB&Q/SP&S cars. The CB&Q cars had one minor difference that
he points out.

W&R did these in brass years ago, as well as the rebuilt bulkhead
cars. Byron Rose was very annoyed because the W&R cars used oversize
stringers on the underframe!

Ted, when you do those NP single sheathed 50 footers, I will be one
happy camper! One thing lacking on 1950's layouts is enough of the
1920's 50 foot cars...

Tim O.

Two copies of RMJ arrived yesterday along with original photos. It
looks like the only thing that did not go as planned, other than not
having model photos, was that the two builders photos alluded to in
the text were not used. No editing was done to the text or the photo
captions, which IMO is a positive thing and a negative thing. Even
the best writers profit from a good editor, and I would have
appreciated more/any back and forth about the article, and in fact I
made what in retrospect was misleading statement that I wish an
editor with a good historical undestanding of World War Two era
operations could have helped me recast. Also, given the range of
information I included to give readers a good historical perspective
of the FGE/WFE/BRE consortium, this was a long article, but made
longer by some unnecessary wordiness that a good editor could have
helped me with.

But actually, I have little to complain about, and appreciate the
fact that Bob S. allowed for the fact that I knew the subject. I do
wish he had waited until the model was available, but now it opens up
the possibilty of a follow-up article.

I offer all of this as encouragement to people on this list as
encouragement to share your knowledge. I have realized that I have
invested a significant amount of money in collecting photos and that
doing articles is a great way to justify some of that expense and
recoup some of it, or using the money to upgrade to a digital camera,
for example.

Bill Welch

$25 seems cheap. Don't know seller.

Dave Nelson

New this morning (Mar 17).

Useful for locating/understanding history of major industries and their
products. Amount of detail info varies considerably, from none to some.
I've not seen one this modern so I can't comment further on what to expect.
I have two ('47 and '54) and find both useful.

Very hard to find. Price is on the high side but then it's available and
that's normally not the case. Don't know seller.

Dave Nelson
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AHM / Roco had a heavy duty fishbelly flat in HO similar to the car in the
picture. I don't know if the car has been offered in the recent decades but
it did exist (along with the more familiar depressed center flat) as an AHM
import during the mid 60's.
AMTRAK had some of these cars which they inherited from DODX.
Charlie Vlk

If the CB& Q had these cars, do you know if the C&S or FW&D also had them. I would be interested in diagrams and will have to see if I have the #15 Bulletin. Thanks, Steve Fuchs

Charlie Vlk <cvlk@...> wrote:I haven't cross-referenced them with the NP equipment, but I know that the
CB&Q built flatcars using a NP design that, at least generally, looks like
the models being discussed here. This is the class FM14 53'-6" straight
side sill fishbelly centersill flat 80200-29249 built at Galesburg and
92075-92349 at Havelock on the Q. During
1944 these were equipped with metal housings to carry B29 wing root fusalage
and nose sections to Martin-Marietta's Fort Cook, Nebraska B29 assembly
plant. The
housings were removed strarting in September 1945 when B29 production ceased
at the end of the war.
Presentation drawings of the FM14 with the housing were in Burlington
Bulletin No.15. IIRC I have some construction drawings on the cars in my
collection if anyone needs them.
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I haven't cross-referenced them with the NP equipment, but I know that the
CB&Q built flatcars using a NP design that, at least generally, looks like
the models being discussed here. This is the class FM14 53'-6" straight
side sill fishbelly centersill flat 80200-29249 built at Galesburg and
92075-92349 at Havelock on the Q. During
1944 these were equipped with metal housings to carry B29 wing root fusalage
and nose sections to Martin-Marietta's Fort Cook, Nebraska B29 assembly
plant. The
housings were removed strarting in September 1945 when B29 production ceased
at the end of the war.
Presentation drawings of the FM14 with the housing were in Burlington
Bulletin No.15. IIRC I have some construction drawings on the cars in my
collection if anyone needs them.
Charlie Vlk

Jim:

Yes, I believe they are. I had these on the radar before I had heard about Aaron's plans. For the time being, I won't expend the effort on them. However, if Aaron has the same problems with shipping that he has had in the past, I will produce my own versions. Since Tom Madden will be casting them, a good supply of castings should not be an issue. If they are not the same prototype, then I will continue. I have had access to phenomenal builder's photos of these flats that I hate to have go unused. The next offering after the Southern gons will be the NP 50' 1-1/2 door single sheathed auto cars. I know many people have been waiting on the Southern gons. I should have the parts to assemble into the one-piece body by Saturday. Formal "launch" of the kit is tentatively scheduled for the Savannah meet in early April.

Regards,
Ted Culotta

On Mar 17, 2005, at 11:37 AM, Jim and Lisa Hayes wrote:

Ted, is this the same NP flatcar Speedwitch is doing?

Jim Hayes
Portland Oregon

-----Original Message-----
From: D R Stinson [mailto:dano@...]
Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 7:06 AM
To: NP Modelers list
Subject: [NP Modelers] Re: New NP models coming


Earlier in the week we had a short discusson about the Aaron Gjermundson NP
stockcar and flatcar kits. I have just gotten word from Aaron that these
masters have been slightly modified to make them easier to produce and
should be on their way to the commercial resin caster he has found to work
with in the next couple days. I have personally had some contact with the
resin caster he's working with, and this person is a professional with a
good reputation. He's done some stuff for Martin Lofton at Sunshine, so you
know his quality has to be pretty good. There is a good chance we could see
these kits back on the market in a few months. As I noted, I'm sure Aaron's
business practices have changed a lot from his earlier experiences, and I
know he has some serious regrets about his previous efforts.

If you want to know more, Aaron has created a web site to keep people
informed about what's happening. It's at www.northernspecificmodels.com .

Dan Stinson
Helena, Montana





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Undecorated HO Kits I am offering for sale.

RED CABOOSE
'37 AAR 6' SD w-corner posts (Have 13) $10.00 ea.
Mather Meat Reefer (1 only)
$11.00

IMWX
'37 AAR SD Square corner (4)
$10.00

LIFE-LIKE P2K
Mather Single Deck Stockcar (1)
$7.00
10000 Gallon Type 21 Tankcar (30)
$5.00

ATLAS (These are Undec RTR)
#1030 11000 Gallon Pressure Tankcar W/O platform
(2) $14.00
#1060 11000 Gallon Pressure Tankcar W/ platform
(2) $14.00
#1400 ACF 4650 pre-71 Centerflow Covered Hopper
(4) $15.00
#1800 PS-2 2 Bay Covered Hopper (8)
$9.00

INTERMOUNTAIN RAILWAY CO
#40495 40' PS-1 Boxcar 7' door (1) $9.00
#40599 40' PS-1 Boxcar 8' door (1) $9.00
#40699 50' PS-1 Boxcar Double D (2) $9.00
#41099 40' 12 Panel SD Boxcar (7) $9.00
#42099 ACF phII 4650 Centerflow (2) $12.00
#42098 ACF phI 4650 Centerflow (1) $12.00
#40799 '37 AAR-W Corner 6' door (1) $9.00
#40899 '41 AAR W-Corner 6' door (1) $9.00

BRANCHLINE TRAINS
#1400 40' 6' door AAR Boxcar (12)
$10.00
#1500 40' 8' door AAR Boxcar (1)
$10.00
#1600 40' 7' door AAR Boxcar (5)
$10.00
#1000-A 50' SD straight sill (4)
$10.00
#1000-B 50' SD fishbell sill (1)
$10.00
#1000-C 50' SD tabbed sill (2)
$10.00
#1900-B 50' Welded SD fishbelly sill (1)
$10.00

Shipping is $2.00 for first car, add another $1.00 for
each additional car. Larger orders will have shipping
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Thanks,
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

Ted, is this the same NP flatcar Speedwitch is doing?

Jim Hayes
Portland Oregon

Hello everyone,

A couple weeks ago I picked up a Proto 2000 B&O N-37 war emergency
hopper model. It's a ready-to-run car, and upon close investigation
when I got it home, I'm somewhat disappointed with it. The main
problems are that parts are not fitted properly and the lettering
(when compared to prototype photos) is in the wrong location, not to
mention the roadname is crooked! Consequently, I'm reworking the car
and I have a few questions that aren't answered by the prototype
photos I have.

1. What sort of brake step should it have? The existing step has
round holes in it (Morton?).

2. Did the prototype have roping tabs, and if it did, where were they
located?

3. Are there any decals for these cars? The Champ set has most of
what I'll need, but if there is a specific set for the N-37s I'd use
that instead.

Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Mark Heiden

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southern Indiana over a line it purchased which ultimately made its way to
Louisville. There was a major yard in St Bernice, Indiana which consolidated much
coal traffic into movements northward

Mike Wilson

I'd love to see this loaded on a flat!

http://www.missing-lynx.com/gallery/modern/dmt28.htm
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Thanks!

Brian Ehni

As a side issue, isn't this what became the M103 heavy tank?
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Thanks!

Brian Ehni

Hi Folks,

Here is a link to images of loading an experimental heavy tank (T29, T30) onto a flatcar circa 1949.
http://www.afvnews.ca/cgi-bin/web-bbs/webbbs_config.pl/read/60976
The car is USAX 38005. I am curious to know any additional information about this flat car.

Regards
Bruce

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I wrote:
"One nice thing about this model is that it's weighed vice being
too light."

Tom Madden replied:
?????

Out of the box, the model is within NMRA RP-20.1 for car weight,
which is more than I can say for most open-top freight cars on the
market.
http://www.nmra.org/standards/pdf/rp-20_1.pdf

In fact, it may exceed RP-20.1, but I'm at work now and cannot
confirm this until I go home and weigh the car.


Ben Hom

larry kline wrote:

<snip> "There is a photo showing part of an as-built Frisco USRA
composite gon on p84 of the Polaritz P&LE 2-8-2 book. The Jan 53 ORER
lists 385 of the 1000 Frisco USRA gons (85000-85999) as _steel
frame_."

I have uploaded a photo of SL-SF 85954 to STMFPH that still has its
original wood sides. Unfortunately, I have lost the origins of the
photo.

Bob Witt

http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/stmfph/vwp?.d
ir=/Gondolas&.src=gr&.dnm=USRA+comp+gondola.jpg&.v
iew=t&.done=http%3a//photos.groups.yahoo.com/group
/stmfph/lst%3f%26.dir=/Gondolas%26.src=gr%26.view=t

The 49 PFE will be assembled. We have a hard time getting InterMountain to
ship us kits because they are doing all the painting and lettering in China
now. Thanks for your inquiry!

Tom

Ben Hom:

One nice thing about this model is that it's weighed vice being
too light.

?????

Tom Madden