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Well, that's a relief!
Peter Weiglin <omnibus@...>
Don Smith hastily typed:
Hi Shawn, I think the boxcar peeing out from behind the red Santa Fe car is a Northhampton and Bath car. = = = How many of us have done that out from behind a box car? Peter Weiglin San Mateo CA (soon to be Amelia, OH) |
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Re: Barge Full of Boxcars
MATT HERSON <npry2526@...>
List,
The tug is definitely Bush Terminal. See NY Harbor Railroads Vol. 1 page 121. The tug and floats are on the Hudson River with Jersey City behind. Photographer most likely on one of the railroad owned ferry boats operating between lower Manhattan and Jersey City. Second boxcar from left appears to be B&M. Hope this helps. Matt Herson |
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Re: Erie 10 panel high side gons with drop doors
Robert Welsh <bobwelsh32971@...>
I have a couple gons lettered for Erie, they were my
dad's. I don't know if they are Mantua or not, but they are nice looking cars. My only complaint was that both cars bore the same road number so I simply renumbered one. --- Dean Payne <deanpayne@...> wrote:
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Re: Red Caboose Steel Side gondola
benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
Garth Groff wrote:
"The Red Caboose prototypes were covered in several articles when the models were released, notably in RMJ by Richard Hendrickson. I can dig out Richard's article and check the date tonight if no one else jumps in here." Richard Hendrickson, "General Service Gondolas", Railmodel Journal, March 2000. http://index.mrmag.com/ Ben Hom |
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Re: Red Caboose Steel Side gondola
Garth Groff <ggg9y@...>
Rob,
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The Red Caboose prototypes were covered in several articles when the models were released, notably in RMJ by Richard Hendrickson. I can dig out Richard's article and check the date tonight if no one else jumps in here. Red Caboose has gone on to release some dubious prototypes (like the WP/TS/SN cars) since the articles were published. Caution is advised. Once again I am lobbying Martin Loftin for a 46' GS car, and sent him information on the WP 1953 GATC cars. This design was also used by the D&RGW. If anyone else is interested, please drop Martin a note. Kind regards, Garth G. Groff Rob Kirkham wrote: Thanks Garth. That makes sense. I wonder if this car may have been analysed at some earlier time before STMFC got started? |
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Re: Barge Full of Boxcars
Garth Groff <ggg9y@...>
Bob and Jay,
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The 2005 Walthers catalog lists their (Walthers') barge as a discontinued model. If it interests you, now is the time to pick one up. Kind regards, Garth G. Groff Bob Webber wrote: I thought at one time Sylvan had one, but now the only list coal barges: |
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Re: Freight Car Wheels
Guy Wilber
In a message dated 3/22/05 9:50:59 AM Pacific Standard Time,
thompson@... writes: << Were substantial quantities of cast IRON wheels still being made? Cast steel wheels came in during the 1930s and my understanding was that by 1950 or so, had substantially displaced cast iron. >> Tony, The AAR membership vote (1956) in favor of banning the application of cast iron wheels was nearly twice the number needed for passage. The rule change was added to the next printed supplement which was most likely issued in August. The only protests came from the wheel manufacturers organizations. Their belief was that the iron wheels had progressed to an acceptable level of quality to still be in use. I have no actual numbers, but AAR notes (6/1958) stated; "During the last twelve months six cast iron wheel foundries have been permanently closed in the United States and two have closed in Canada. This represents very close to twenty-five percent of total capacity." A.T. Kott notes the 1959 wheels...I can't find any extension of the rule within my data though my 1957 books are not accesible at the moment. Bill Kelly might have information (at hand). The real proof would be the required AAR stampings on that wheel set. If those marks include an "X" they may have been permitted under AAR guidelines for experimental wheels. An interesting aside to the cast iron wheel revolves around the manufacture of 70 ton wheels applied to covered hoppers of the 1950s. The failure rate was substantial and initiated the first ban of cast iron wheels. Rule 3, w, 4, was added in 1954; "Wheels, cast iron, 70 ton capacity, prohibited on covered hopper cars built new or rebuilt on and after August 1, 1954, and on all cars in interchange on and after January 1, 1956. Regards, Guy Wilber Sparks, Nevada |
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Re: Pad printing (was Bowser lettering)
Thomas M. Olsen <tmolsen@...>
Bill,
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In other words, pad printing is the same as offset printing where the image is transferred from the photo-etched aluminum plate to the rubber blanket and then to the paper. The plate never touches the paper. I worked for 4 years in offset printing before going on the railroad. It is an interesting process, but is much more sophisticated now then when I was in it. Continuous feed web presses were new then and we were still using multiple unit sheet fed presses in the early '60s. Tom Olsen Newark, Delaware, 19711-7479 Bill Schneider wrote: Perhaps if any of our other manufacturer friends are lurking they canOK Charlie, I'll get drawn in here too.... :>) |
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Re: Erie 10 panel high side gons with drop doors
Ed Hawkins
On Tuesday, March 22, 2005, at 07:09 PM, Brian J Carlson wrote:
Does anyone have a 1958 or later ORER they could check for informationBrian, The 1/59 ORER does not list 37002-37748 or 44336. There are 124 cars listed in series 45004-45599. Regards, Ed Hawkins |
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Red Caboose Steel Side gondola
Rob Kirkham <rdkirkham@...>
Thanks Garth. That makes sense. I wonder if this car may have been analysed at some earlier time before STMFC got started?
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Re: Erie 10 panel high side gons with drop doors
Dean Payne <deanpayne@...>
I was just discussing this car off-line with Ray Breyer. The NEB&W
site says the MDC model is incorrect, not long or tall enough, and that the Mantua 10-panel gon is correct (if you can stand the cast-on grabs). However, the Mantua gon is not available lettered for the Erie, the only road that it is correct for! Perhaps one could replace the grabs while stripping the car to repaint/decal. Uh, sorry, I don't have any prototype info. Dean Payne --- In STMFC@..., "Brian J Carlson" <brian@b...> wrote: I'm looking for some information on Erie 70 ton 10 panel high sidegondolas with drop doors. Builders Cyclopedia there is a builders photo of Erie 44,000. A 10 panelhigh side 70-ton gon with 12 drop doors. I do not have an ORER from the1930's so I don't know how many cars were in the original series.the same dimensions as the 1931 entry<Snip> Brian J Carlson P.E. Cheektowaga NY |
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Re: Erie 10 panel high side gons with drop doors
benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
Brian Carlson wrote:
"In the Train Shed Cyclopedia (No. 46) reprint of the 1931 Car Builders Cyclopedia there is a builders photo of Erie 44,000. A 10 panel high side 70-ton gon with 12 drop doors. I do not have an ORER from the 1930's so I don't know how many cars were in the original series." 2,000 cars, built by SSC 1923-24. "I picked up a 1952 or later, photo of 37606 from Bob's photos last weekend and it shows 4 sawtooth hopper bays, as expected. I assume the cars listed in the 1955 ORER were modified and renumbered by the Erie. Does anyone know when these modifications occurred, and know of photos of other cars in the series, either the hopper version of tight bottom." The article "Erie's High Side Gondolas" by Richard Reichenbach appeared in a past issue of the ELHS publication. (My copy does not have a date.) According to him, 749 hopper conversions were done in 1934 at Dunmore Shops. 695 cars were still on the roster in 1953 but were gone by 1959. More photos and a class diagram from the pay side of the RPI website: http://railroad.union.rpi.edu/rolling-stock/gons/Erie-gon-1925.jpg http://railroad.union.rpi.edu/rolling-stock/gons/Erie-gon-hopper- Mischler.jpg http://railroad.union.rpi.edu/rolling-stock/Hoppers/Quads/HT-quad-ex- gon-Erie-diagram.jpg This is the prototype for the Mantua (ex-Lindberg) high side gon. AFAIK, this car has not been re-released by Model Power. Ironically, this car was never offered by Mantua in Erie paint and lettering. Ben Hom |
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Re: Suggestions for decaling a spare IM USRA Composite gon?
Scott Pitzer
Very interesting... it tells us that circa 1955 one could find one of these cars carrying pipe, although the sides of the car might have gaps here and there. WHERE we might find it, is still open to question.
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From: rwitt_2000 <rmwitt@...> Sent: Mar 22, 2005 7:22 PM To: STMFC@... Subject: [STMFC] Re: Suggestions for decaling a spare IM USRA Composite gon? "I have uploaded a photo of SL-SF 85954 to STMFPH that still has its original wood sides." - Bob Witt" "Benjamin Hom" wrote: Bob, could you repost it to the files section of STMFPH? <Ben, I completed that upload today. Still do not know the source of the photo other than I found it in the "Internet ether". Bob Witt Yahoo! Groups Links |
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Re: Suggestions for decaling a spare IM USRA Composite gon?
rwitt_2000 <rmwitt@...>
"I have uploaded a photo of SL-SF 85954 to STMFPH that still has its
original wood sides." - Bob Witt" "Benjamin Hom" wrote: Bob, could you repost it to the files section of STMFPH? <Ben, I completed that upload today. Still do not know the source of the photo other than I found it in the "Internet ether". Bob Witt |
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Erie 10 panel high side gons with drop doors
Brian J Carlson <brian@...>
I'm looking for some information on Erie 70 ton 10 panel high side gondolas
with drop doors. In the Train Shed Cyclopedia (No. 46) reprint of the 1931 Car Builders Cyclopedia there is a builders photo of Erie 44,000. A 10 panel high side 70-ton gon with 12 drop doors. I do not have an ORER from the 1930's so I don't know how many cars were in the original series. Jumping forward to the January 1955 ORER lists 3 series of car with the same dimensions as the 1931 entry 37002-37748, 303 cars, 4 hopper self clearing 44336, 1 car Flat bottom wood floor 45001-45599, 178 cars, Flat bottom steel floor I picked up a 1952 or later, photo of 37606 from Bob's photos last weekend and it shows 4 sawtooth hopper bays, as expected. I assume the cars listed in the 1955 ORER were modified and renumbered by the Erie. Does anyone know when these modifications occurred, and know of photos of other cars in the series, either the hopper version of tight bottom. Does anyone have a 1958 or later ORER they could check for information on the longevity of the car class? Brian J Carlson P.E. Cheektowaga NY |
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Re: Pennsylvania "Turtleback" Boxcars
Brian J Carlson <brian@...>
I did a little more checking on car 81861, it's racks were listed as removed
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in the January 1955 ORER (Westerfield). Guess I know what number to put on the Sunshine kit I picked up at the Kirkland Ohio train show on Sunday. Brian J Carlson P.E. Cheektowaga NY
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Re: Pennsylvania "Turtleback" Boxcars
Benjamin Hom <b.hom@...>
Shawn Beckert asked:
"This car, though, has a reweigh date of 12-59. Would it be safe to say that at this late date the car was in general service with the loading racks taken out?" I replied: "It's a safe assumption, though you can confirm this through the a 1959 ORER issue. If this car is still rack-equipped, it would be noted in the Notes section following the car register in the PRR section." PRR 81861 has had its racks removed, as confirmed by the January 1959 ORER (PRR Note 15. Ben Hom |
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Re: Tichy USRA steel rebuild ends
Benjamin Hom <b.hom@...>
I wrote:
"My bigger concerns with using the Tichy kit would be: - Height - Width - End Pattern - Roof I'll investigate further after work tonight." NYC 100146, the sole NYC rebuilt USRA DS boxcar Data from Jan 1, 1954 equipment diagram IH: 9 ft 4 in EXW: 10 ft End: 1/5/5/5 Murphy Side: ? Roof: ? Door opening: 6 ft (type?) PMcK&Y 83400-83891, Lots 630-B and 638-B, prototype for the Tichy rebuilt boxcar kit Data from Jan 1, 1954 equipment diagram IH: 9 ft 4 in EXW: 10 ft End: 1/5/5/5 Murphy Side: 8 panel riveted Roof: Murphy Panel Door opening: 6 ft (Youngstown door) The Tichy kit (with underframe modifications) looks like a possibility for this NYC one-off. Since Youngstown did this rebuild, one can reasonably assume that the rebuilt USRA DS boxcar had 8 panel riveted sides and Youngstown steel doors. I'm not as sure about the roof. At any rate, a photo would be most helpful in confirming these assumptions. Ben Hom |
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Re: Barge Full Of Boxcars
Tim Gilbert <tgilbert@...>
Bruce Smith wrote:
Also check out AMB. They have an ongoing HO scale rail-marine seriesCarfloats in New York Harbor were usually hauled in pairs with the bows tied together and the tug wedged between the barges towards the aft. The loading/unloading end of the carfloats was always the bow. In New York Harbor, the track work on the float bridges and car floats were standard in order to allow interchange. Feeding the float bridge were twin tracks. On the left side, there would be points on the bridge to permit cars to be loaded onto the middle of three tracks of a transfer car float. (The frog was on the float.) This middle track, however, was not universal. On certain floats, the middle track could be replaced with a loading/unloading platform which made the float a station float. The photographed Bush Terminal #44 appears to have been narrower in beam than than the usual float in New York Harbor allowing only two tracks. The track spacing at the bow, however, had to be similar to the three track transfer float or the two track station float in order op permit interchange. This is the first photo that I have seen of a New York Harbor carfloat in which there were only two tracks with no platform in the middle. The other float in the picture http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/misc-b/btrr-b44amh.jpg could have been either a "normal" two track station float or a three track transfer float - track capacity on the middle track was less than the two outer tracks. What is odd is that the loading switch crew did not balance the load - both floats were bow heavy. The most widely distributed photograph source for New York Harbor might be the two Morning Sun volumes by Tom Flagg on the subject. The New York Harbor coverage of Walthers' RAILROADING ON THE WATERFRONT should be considered to be a mid western view, and not much of a source as to operations in New York Bay. Tim Gilbert |
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Re: 1957 Mason City shipments to Rath Packing in Waterloo, Iowa
earlyrail
--- In STMFC@..., "Clark Propst" <cepropst@n...> wrote:
CGW 86278 arrived April 25, 1957, soybean meal, may have originated onthe soybean meal. The soybean processing plant was on the CGW which also went to Waterloo. Maybe the CGW didn't serve the Rath plant so the 'bean plant' used a reciprocal switching arrangement in Mason City. Clark PropstClark, You need to download the CGW 1957 Inductrial Guide <http://www.geocities.com/scotm2_50158/> Rath in Waterloo was served by the IC and WATL and was open for recipical switching. Also of posible interest was Bordon's Soy Processing Co on the CRIP & WATL I hope this helps. Howard Garner down in the sunny south |
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