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Re: Lifelike Simplex Trucks

Ian Wilson
 

--- In STMFC@..., "Clyde Williams" <billdgoat@i...>
wrote:
Also, am I correct in thinking that the
excessive height between trucks and car body in the stock Life-
Like
picture is the fault just of the trucks or is the car body also at
fault?

Bill:

As Al Welch has verified, the height relationship among the top of
rail, bottom of carbody and top of carbody are consistent between
the model and prototype. That being the case, the relationship
between the trucks and the bottom of the carbody is also correct.

What you are seeing is the vast amount of daylight between the top
of rail and bottom of centre sill. On the Life-Like model, the
underframe is recessed too much (in my opinion) into the carbody.
Also, there is a cover plate over the centre sill on the Westerfield
cars (and not on the Life-Like) which adds more depth. The K brake
cylinder on my Westerfield model hangs a little lower than the
prototype, whereas the cast-on blob representing the brake cylinder
on the Life-Like model is evidently too high.

I agree with you on your assessment of the best combination of
trucks. I will attach a set of conventional AAR trucks to the Life-
Like model and post another photo for comparison (after we get
Hallowe'en night out of the way).

Cheers,

Ian


Re: Lifelike Simplex Trucks

Clyde Williams <billdgoat@...>
 

--- In STMFC@..., "Jared Harper" <harper-brown@j...>
wrote:

--- In STMFC@..., "Ian Wilson" <ian@c...> wrote:

I've noted my friend Rich Chrysler's remarks about the trucks,
and
he's come up with a good method of modifying them.

I'm not convinced that there is a problem anyway with these
trucks.
Where did the "0.050 inches too high" come from?

On my web site I've posted comparison photos of:

a) Life-Like car
b) Westerfield car with Life-Like trucks
c) Westerfield car with AAR trucks

You can see these compared to a prototype car photo from my third
book at http://members.rogers.com/canadianbranchline/modelrwy.htm

Cheers,

Ian
Ian,
The Life-Like car looks longer than the Westerfield car. The
Westerfield car in the middle looks taller than the ones on each
end.

Jared Harper
Athens, GA

The best,IMHO, looking car is the Westerfield with the other trucks.
I would like to have seen a Life-Like car with these trucks for
comparisome. As A GN modeler, modeling 1943, I would like more
Canadian cars. Would these cars have had their Simplex trucks
replaced by that time? Also, am I correct in thinking that the
excessive height between trucks and car body in the stock Life-Like
picture is the fault just of the trucks or is the car body also at
fault?
Bill Williams


Re: Lifelike Simplex Trucks

Ian Wilson
 

--- In STMFC@..., "Jared Harper" <harper-brown@j...>
wrote:


Ian,
The Life-Like car looks longer than the Westerfield car. The
Westerfield car in the middle looks taller than the ones on each
end.

Jared:

I held the Life-Like carbodies against the Westerfield carbody, and
they are virtually the same length. The Westerfield car bodies are
both slightly taller than the Life-Like one though. Compared to each
other, the Westerfield carbodies are almost the same height (again,
any discrepancy there is likely due to assembly, as they started as
the same kit).

Cheers,

Ian


Pennsylvania state railroad museum negatives catalog

ed_mines
 

I recently came across a circa 1980 mimeographed catalog of
negatives from the PA state RR museum in Strassburg.

It's about half an inch thick with as many as 4 or 5 columns of
negatives (it's a lot of negatives). The forward states that the
museum had over 150,000 prints.

I bought some prints when I first received the catalog with mixed
results. The general quality was marginal to crappy but there a few
gems - a 36 ft. double sheathed RDG box car is the one I remember
most.

The catalog has a lot of data (size of negatives, date of photo) but
not negative quality.

The subjects are mostly from railroads in and near Pennsylvania but
there are many other railroads represented including some overseas.

Has anyone bought anything from this collection recently? If so,
what are the prices?

Is there an updated catalog?

Ed "should I be optimistic?" Mines


Re: Lifelike Simplex Trucks

Jared Harper <harper-brown@...>
 

--- In STMFC@..., "Ian Wilson" <ian@c...> wrote:

I've noted my friend Rich Chrysler's remarks about the trucks, and
he's come up with a good method of modifying them.

I'm not convinced that there is a problem anyway with these trucks.
Where did the "0.050 inches too high" come from?

On my web site I've posted comparison photos of:

a) Life-Like car
b) Westerfield car with Life-Like trucks
c) Westerfield car with AAR trucks

You can see these compared to a prototype car photo from my third
book at http://members.rogers.com/canadianbranchline/modelrwy.htm

Cheers,

Ian
Ian,
The Life-Like car looks longer than the Westerfield car. The
Westerfield car in the middle looks taller than the ones on each end.

Jared Harper
Athens, GA


Re: Lifelike Simplex Trucks

Ian Wilson
 

--- In STMFC@..., "Jon Miller" <atsf@i...> wrote:
I'm not convinced that there is a problem anyway with these
trucks.
Where did the "0.050 inches too high" come from?<
Maybe my eyes but the center car (Westerfield) looks high
compared to
either the LL car to the left or the Westerfield car to the
right. This
seems to mean that the trucks if used on a LL car are ok but if
used on
other makes are to high. I believe this is where the .050 comment
came
from.
Al Welch has demonstrated that the relationship among top of rail,
bottom of side sill and top of car are consistent between the Life-
Like model and the prototype. The pictures bear that out.

You're right I believe, Jon, about the Westerfield car with the Life-
Like trucks being too high.

However, the relationship between the truck and the centre sill (in
terms of relative height) looks best when the Life-Like trucks are
applied to the Westerfield model (note the daylight above the truck
sideframes in the prototype photo).

It appears to my eye that the Westerfield centre sill extends
farther below the bottom of the car side than does the prototype.
Reduce that dimension (and the carbody bolster) and we approach the
prototype. This can likely be achieved when assembling the resin
kit, and any difference apparent in the photographs may be entirely
my doing (in positioning the floor relative to the sides), as
opposed to an inaccuracy in the kit.

Cheers,

Ian
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mailto:ian@...
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1950s


Re: Lifelike Simplex Trucks

Jon Miller <atsf@...>
 

I'm not convinced that there is a problem anyway with these trucks.
Where did the "0.050 inches too high" come from?<
Maybe my eyes but the center car (Westerfield) looks high compared to
either the LL car to the left or the Westerfield car to the right. This
seems to mean that the trucks if used on a LL car are ok but if used on
other makes are to high. I believe this is where the .050 comment came
from.

Jon Miller
AT&SF
For me time has stopped in 1941
Digitrax, Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI user
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Re: Lifelike Simplex Trucks

Ian Wilson
 

I've noted my friend Rich Chrysler's remarks about the trucks, and
he's come up with a good method of modifying them.

I'm not convinced that there is a problem anyway with these trucks.
Where did the "0.050 inches too high" come from?

On my web site I've posted comparison photos of:

a) Life-Like car
b) Westerfield car with Life-Like trucks
c) Westerfield car with AAR trucks

You can see these compared to a prototype car photo from my third
book at http://members.rogers.com/canadianbranchline/modelrwy.htm

Cheers,

Ian
______
Ian Wilson Canadian Branchline Miniatures
Box 2565, Orillia, ON L3V 7B1
http://www.canadianbranchline.com
mailto:ian@...
Publishers of books on CNR steam operations in Ontario during the
1950s


Lifelike Simplex Trucks

Rich C <richchrysler@...>
 

Steve Lucas wrote:<snip>
The Simplex trucks, though they look nice from
the side of the car, have a bolster that is .050" too
high. >
Then Ian Wilson wrote:<snip>
The guys on the STMFC and CMT lists have had some heated discussions about
this, and Al Welch has even dared to stray in once in awhile. Having not
reviewed the back-and-forth in great detail, I still haven't sorted this
bolster problem out. From what you're saying, a modeller could file down the
top of the truck bolster by about .050", but that wouldn't do him any good
because of the way it mates with the floor, so best to leave it alone? I'm
told that Pierre Oliver might have some thoughts on this (that's a good way
to smoke him out!).
I have not purchased the Lifelike Dominion Fowler car, but have examined a friend's example carefully. For my own reasons I'll stick to Al Westerfield's beautiful kits, but that's just me.
Meanwhile I had already purchased 3 pairs of these Simplex trucks when they first hit the market months ago in hopes of perhaps installing them under some of my Westerfield Dominion Fowler cars. Noting the .050" extra height of the bolster I realized immediately that this would be no simple installation.
The Lifelike Simplex bolster has an inside stepped hole to receive the mounting serew head and smaller diameter of the shank as would be expected. If one was to simply remove the material from the bolster height the smaller inside diameter goes too. Now you're left with an already somewhat oversized hole going right through. I remedied this by installing a styrene bushing made up of Evergreen 3/16" tube, with a second one of 1/8" tube that nicely slides inside the first one. This second one slides in and is installed to the depth needed to act as the inner step for the screw head. All these are anchored with ACC. Lastly a clearance drill is skimmed through to open up the I.D. slightly as required.
This will make the truck assembly fit almost any piece of rolling stock.
Unfortunately the bottom line to all this is the fact that this is a lot of fiddly work to make this Simplex truck (a design we've needed for a long time) useable for any models other than these Lifelike Fowlers. Why on earth the designers of the Lifelike car didn't design this truck to be the same height and fitting characteristics as the rest of their trucks and most other brands for that matter, is a mystery. Their Simplex truck would have been an excellent seller on it's own I would think.
Rich Chrysler


Re: HO freight trucks

Bill Kelly
 

Bruce,

The Life Like National B-1 is the better of the ones available.
The Barber S-2 you need is the one from Branchline.
The ASF double truss would be the Tichy "Bettendorf"

Later,
Bill Kelly





you wrote:
snip <
They are: Barber S-2,
National B-1 and ASF Double Truss.

Can someone suggest who makes a reputable model of
each of these three trucks.
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Re: SFRD reefer kits

Clyde Williams <billdgoat@...>
 

--- In STMFC@..., "ed_mines" <ed_mines@y...> wrote:

Doesn't Intermountain come out with a built up SFRD reefer every so
often?

Do they have an inventory of parts?

I'd like a couple too, the number depending on the cost. I'd like
to
upgrade some C&BT cars that I have but I want some complete kits
too.

Ed
TrainQuest usually has them
Bill


Re: HO freight trucks

George A. Walls
 

Kato makes a Barber Truck and a ASF but I don't know if these are
what you need. If I remember correctly they had pretty good detail.

George



--- In STMFC@..., Bruce Brantner <sfcoyote_2000@y...>
wrote:
I am so confused! I am in the process of doing three
Intermountain box cars. They will be Santa Fe Bx-37
cars. I ask Andy Sperandeo how he did his cars. He
was very helpful in supplying information. All went
well until I got to the part about the trucks.

Andy suggested to check the SFRH&MS book on box cars
for the correct trucks matched to the road number of
the cars that I am doing. How lucky could I be: I am
doing three cars and I need three different trucks.

I checked Ted Cullota's article in RMC; "Essential
Freight Cars #12", the side bar on trucks and
identified the trucks. They are: Barber S-2,
National B-1 and ASF Double Truss. Next I went to
Walther's web site to see who makes these trucks. I
had no idea how many different manufactures make, or
at least claim to have these trucks.

Can someone suggest who makes a reputable model of
each of these three trucks. There are several mfg.
that have the National and Barber trucks, but I was
not able to find an ASF double truss (unless it is
known by another name???).

If nothing else prototype modeling is educational,
frustrating, but a learning experience.

Bruce

=====
Bruce R. Brantner, Sr.
Coyote Trails RR
Coyote Div. of SF RR




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Re: HO freight trucks

Jon Miller <atsf@...>
 

IMHO for the National B-1 it's LifeLike. LikeLike also makes a Barber
S-2 but it's a 100 ton truck and I don't think the Bx-37 used that size (but
then it's out of my era).

Jon Miller
AT&SF
For me time has stopped in 1941
Digitrax, Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI user
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


HO freight trucks

Bruce
 

I am so confused! I am in the process of doing three
Intermountain box cars. They will be Santa Fe Bx-37
cars. I ask Andy Sperandeo how he did his cars. He
was very helpful in supplying information. All went
well until I got to the part about the trucks.

Andy suggested to check the SFRH&MS book on box cars
for the correct trucks matched to the road number of
the cars that I am doing. How lucky could I be: I am
doing three cars and I need three different trucks.

I checked Ted Cullota's article in RMC; "Essential
Freight Cars #12", the side bar on trucks and
identified the trucks. They are: Barber S-2,
National B-1 and ASF Double Truss. Next I went to
Walther's web site to see who makes these trucks. I
had no idea how many different manufactures make, or
at least claim to have these trucks.

Can someone suggest who makes a reputable model of
each of these three trucks. There are several mfg.
that have the National and Barber trucks, but I was
not able to find an ASF double truss (unless it is
known by another name???).

If nothing else prototype modeling is educational,
frustrating, but a learning experience.

Bruce

=====
Bruce R. Brantner, Sr.
Coyote Trails RR
Coyote Div. of SF RR




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Milw ribside cars

Schuyler Larrabee
 

I received two kits, one each version, of the MILW
rib-side cars by John Greedy.

Nice, very nice. I'll probably carve off the
solid grabs for wire, but not a lot else I'll add.
Cut levers and hoses, probably.

These cars should be supported.

SGL


Seeking prototype info for P2K GTW 50' single door boxcar

Mark Heiden
 

Hello everyone,

I'm looking for prototype information about a Proto 2000 50' single
door boxcar. It's in Grand Trunk Western paint with the white wafer
logo, car number 595287. The built date on the car is February 1946.
I haven't been able to locate any information or photos online. Does
anyone know the number series this car belonged to and how the model
compares to the prototype?

Thanks,
Mark Heiden


Re: SFRD reefer kits

Charles Hladik
 

Ed
Yes they do as my local hobby shop just got some in. Try
lynchburgtrainsunlimited.com Chuck Hladik
Lynchburg, Va


Re: Intermountain undec. kits

Brian Paul Ehni <behni@...>
 

Especially since Athearn is all too happy to sell empty blue boxes!
--
Brian Ehni


From: Jon Miller <atsf@...>
Reply-To: <STMFC@...>
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 11:01:37 -0700
To: <STMFC@...>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Intermountain undec. kits
SNIP!

If buyers would be happy with sprues in a plastic sack I'm sure run
numbers could be reduced!

Jon Miller
AT&SF
For me time has stopped in 1941
Digitrax, Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI user
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


hobby shops inventories of kits

ed_mines
 

A week or 2 ago someone sent in a link to the inventory of his hobby
shop.

I thought that was terrific. Hobby shop owners should be a little
creative in selling.

Years ago between jobs I spent the majority of my day waiting for
the telephone to ring and building kits, so I was constantly running
out of kits.

It took a few months to clean out the local hobby shops. Then I
bought some kits at train shows and from guys selling out their
accumulations in the classifieds in MR & RMC but I also started
writing hobby shops listed in the magazines - "what Ambroid type
kits do you have in stock.....". Almost every shop I wrote to had
some that they were happy to get rid of (if selling below the list
price was any indication).

I also found an ad wanting some OOP die cast Alexander passenger
cars. My local hobby shop had a whole bunch of them!

The internet can put a lot of buyers and sellers together.

Ed


SFRD reefer kits

ed_mines
 

Doesn't Intermountain come out with a built up SFRD reefer every so
often?

Do they have an inventory of parts?

I'd like a couple too, the number depending on the cost. I'd like to
upgrade some C&BT cars that I have but I want some complete kits too.

Ed

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