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Re: F&C kits

Pete Brown &#92;(YahooGroups&#92;) <YahooLists@...>
 

Thanks Ben, that's exactly what I needed.

It might have been CP. If it's not WM, they all look the same to me ;-)

Pete
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From: Benjamin Hom [mailto:b.hom@...]
Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 3:37 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: RE: [STMFC] RE: F&C kits

Pete Brown asked:
"Do you know which, if any of those kits, is the 1932 boxcar we've
been speaking about? I see a CN 1932 box car, but that's it."

Look under the 6800 series:

Flat Kits
6810 - CG
6811 - UP
6812 - MP
6813 - MEC
6814 - CRR
6815 - NYC
6816 - PRR
6817 - C&O
6830 - BAR

One-Piece Body
6820 - CG
6821 - UP
6822 - MP
6823 - MEC
6824 - CRR
6825 - NYC
6826 - PRR
6827 - C&O

I don't see a "CN 1932 box car" - you might be referring to kit #6440, the
CP 1932 Minibox, which is a different car.

Ben Hom


Re: F&C kits

Ted Culotta <tculotta@...>
 

On Dec 17, 2004, at 12:37 PM, Benjamin Hom wrote:

I don't see a "CN 1932 box car" - you might be referring to kit #6440, the
CP 1932 Minibox, which is a different car.
Pete might also be referring to the CN "1923" single sheathed box car. I often wonder where Steve gets the dates he applies to cars.

Regards,
Ted Culotta

Speedwitch Media
100 14th Avenue, San Mateo, CA 94402
info@...
www.speedwitch.com
(650) 787-1912


We're amateurs!

Ted Culotta <tculotta@...>
 

I am modeling a car that has one of the early power hand brakes where there is a staff hand brake and at the bottom of the staff there are two gears to multiply each turn by the carmen. If you have the 1932 ARA box car book (shameless plug) this is the type of hand brake used on the ARA prototype, C&O, Erie and NKP cars as built. I thought that a good way to model these gears would be to use gears from an old wristwatch (no I don't need to be committed!) I went to a local jewelry store that does repairs and asked if they had an old throwaway wrist watch that I could buy. They gave me an old Omega ladies model and said "since you work with small things you should have the screwdrivers you'll need." I got home and proceeded to take it apart, or at least try. My smallest "jewelers" screwdriver was about 10x too large. Some of the slots for the head of the screwdriver are practically invisible. I proceeded to look on the web and found a jewelers tool dealer here in the Bay Area called Otto Frei. I ordered some really small screwdrivers and also perused the web site. If you like trains and like tools, this place is a candy store. The screwdrivers arrived today and I took the watch apart. I nearly fell over! The level of precision and miniaturization is staggering and breathtaking. I now consider myself to be a ham-handed rube after seeing this work. So, to make a short story long, I think I have the parts I need, I found a great new source of tools (check out their bead blaster) and learned a little bit about working in miniature.

Regards,
Ted Culotta

Speedwitch Media
100 14th Avenue, San Mateo, CA 94402
info@...
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(650) 787-1912


Gene Green reefer book

ed_mines
 

--- In STMFC@..., "Gene Green" <lgreen@e...> wrote:"
This matter is one of the things I covered in my Ice-bunker, Private-
owner Reefer book for Morning Sun (excuse the shameless plug,
please)."

Is this a new book? Tell us about it.

Ed


Re: F&C kits

Benjamin Hom <b.hom@...>
 

Pete Brown asked:
"Do you know which, if any of those kits, is the 1932 boxcar we've
been speaking about? I see a CN 1932 box car, but that's it."

Look under the 6800 series:

Flat Kits
6810 - CG
6811 - UP
6812 - MP
6813 - MEC
6814 - CRR
6815 - NYC
6816 - PRR
6817 - C&O
6830 - BAR

One-Piece Body
6820 - CG
6821 - UP
6822 - MP
6823 - MEC
6824 - CRR
6825 - NYC
6826 - PRR
6827 - C&O

I don't see a "CN 1932 box car" - you might be referring to kit #6440, the
CP 1932 Minibox, which is a different car.



Ben Hom


Yankee Clipper 1932 box cars

Tim O'Connor
 

These are the Y.C. 1932 kits that I know about. I cannot
vouch for their accuracy. I am pretty sure that the CGW
kit was incorrect, for example. If F&C has released them
anew, I hope any mistakes were corrected. But I have my
doubts!

1932.00 1932 ARA steel box 4/4E flat roof NYC
1932.10 1932 ARA steel box 4/4E flat roof PRR #36986
1932.20 1932 ARA steel box 4/4E rect roof SOO
1932.21 1932 ARA steel box 4/4E flat roof SOO
1932.30 1932 ARA steel box 4/4E flat roof C&O
1932.40 1932 ARA steel box 4/4E rect roof MP
1932.50 1932 ARA steel box 4/4E rect roof MEC
1932.60 1932 ARA steel box 5/4E rect roof BAR
1932.70 1932 ARA steel box 4/4E rect roof UP #182500
1932.80 1932 ARA steel box Dreadnaught ends rect roof CRR
1932.90 1932 ARA steel box 4/4E rect roof CofG
1932.100 1932 ARA steel box 4/4E viking roof Norfolk Southern
1932.110* 1932 ARA steel box radial roof NKP
1932.120 1932 ARA steel box Buck ends viking roof ERIE
1932.310* 1932 ARA steel box radial roof C&O
1932.410 1932 ARA steel box Murphy ends/panel door CGW

* one piece body castings


Re: 1942-42 color Yard photos (Jack Delano)

ed_mines
 

--- In STMFC@..., Bruce Smith <smithbf@v...> directed us
to some fantastic Jack Delano photos.

Bruce, Thanks for the leads. I've floundered around that web site
for hours without finding anything. What seach method did you use?

Ed


Re: reefer question

raildata@...
 

These explanations of the salt / ice phenomena are part of the new "alternate
physics" rampant here in Boulder. Based upon "surely it must be" rather
than any scientific facts or laws!

Chuck Y
Boulder CO


Re: F&C kits

Pete Brown &#92;(YahooGroups&#92;) <YahooLists@...>
 

Thanks. I thought someone here said that F&C had them.

The F&C web site is pretty impossible unless you know the road name or kit
number you're looking for. If you're just looking for a 1932 boxcar that may
be similar to the one your road uses, unless you know the road that had it,
you can't find it.

Pete

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From: Tim O'Connor [mailto:timboconnor@...]
Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 2:33 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] RE: F&C kits


Do you know which, if any of those kits, is the 1932 boxcar we've
been speaking about? I see a CN 1932 box car, but that's it.
Pete
The F&C 1932 box cars were commissioned by Yankee Clipper. If F&C
has released them under their own brand, I don't know the numbers.
Check the website.


Re: reefer question

Tim O'Connor
 

Andy Sperandeo wrote

That Maybrook story is in the January '05 "Trains," not that other publisher's offering. The guys on the upper deck of that icing platform are handling carts of salt, and using the light-colored chute to mix salt with the ice in the SRLX reefer's bunkers. Salt wasn't ordinarily used with produce, but its use with meat shipments was pretty common.
When salt is mixed with ice, the temperature of the melt water
will drop to freezing (32 degrees) -- which slows down melting
of larger chunks of ice. It also would severely damage produce!
Since meat was hung up it didn't come into direct contact with
the ice or water.


Re: 1942-42 color Yard photos (Jack Delano)

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Bruce Smith wrote:
Many of you are probably aware of this resource, but I was reminded
just this week of how wonderful it is. That is the collection of Jack
Delano photos in the Library of Congress. In particular, there are a
series of color photos from the WWII era that are wonderful examples of
the color and weathering patterns of cars of this era. The sea of
brown/red, with a few yellow/orange reefers, and just a couple of white
cars is a remarkable confirmation of what we expect in this era.
These photos also give the lie to those modelers who complain that heavily weathered freight car models from the steam era, such as the excellent ones Richard Hendrickson produces, are "overdone."

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2942 Linden Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: F&C kits

Tim O'Connor
 

Do you know which, if any of those kits, is the 1932 boxcar we've
been speaking about? I see a CN 1932 box car, but that's it.
Pete
The F&C 1932 box cars were commissioned by Yankee Clipper. If F&C
has released them under their own brand, I don't know the numbers.
Check the website.


Re: reefer question

Bob Webber <zephyr1@...>
 

Yes, as I was corrected, so true. I'm completely unfamiliar with such, not seeing that with my interests (not that it is an excuse mind you)

At 01:11 PM 12/17/2004, you wrote:

Bob Webber wrote:
I'm not sure how many people saw the article in Railfan & Railroad in
(I
think) the December issue. I believe it was in Maybrook - there was a
large icing platform, and the platform was higher than those I'd seen
on
Western RR's, and there were chutes positioned over the hatches of the
reefers - and the guys on the platform had wheel barrows with what
seemed
to be crushed or broken ice rather than block ice to put in these
chutes -
blocks (unless quite small) wouldn't have fit. The whole operation
was
quite unlike that which I was more accustomed to seeing.
Isn't that upper deck a salt deck, and the wheelbarrow loads
salt?

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2942 Linden Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history





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Re: reefer question

Bob Webber <zephyr1@...>
 

Oops!!... my bad - I assumed it was the other one more on location than anything else - I should have known. There were some nice photos in the story, though to be honest, my interest in the area is less than just about anywhere else, I still took more of a look than I normally would have.

At 01:07 PM 12/17/2004, you wrote:

Hi Bob,

That Maybrook story is in the January '05 "Trains," not that other publisher's offering. The guys on the upper deck of that icing platform are handling carts of salt, and using the light-colored chute to mix salt with the ice in the SRLX reefer's bunkers. Salt wasn't ordinarily used with produce, but its use with meat shipments was pretty common.

If I can give my colleagues down the hall a pat on the back, I appreciated that story a lot. I've known about Maybrook's one-time importance as a gateway to New England, but never really knew much about its layout or traffic as covered in J.W. Swanberg's story.

Happy holidays,

Andy

Andy Sperandeo
Executive Editor
MODEL RAILROADER Magazine
262-796-8776, ext. 461
Fax 262-796-1142
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Re: 1932 ARA Boxcars: A Contrarian View

earlyrail
 

From: David Soderblom [mailto:drs@...] Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 8:57 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] 1932 ARA Boxcars: A Contrarian View
I just got Ted's book today and did some elementary statistics to assess whether or not a styrene model of this car had commercial potential. I claim no knowledge of the business, but off the following:
First, a recap of their population in the 5301 ORER:
Road Series No. blt. No. in 1953
BAR 65000-65649 650 645
C&O 7000-7649 650 632
CG 4000-4499 500 488
CGW 89000-89998 500 487 Note 1
Note 1: Series numbers in book's table wrong? Last should be 89999?
Note 2: Series numbers in book's table wrong? First should be 15001?
The CGW series is correct - even numbers only

Howard


Re: reefer question

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Bob Webber wrote:
I'm not sure how many people saw the article in Railfan & Railroad in (I
think) the December issue. I believe it was in Maybrook - there was a
large icing platform, and the platform was higher than those I'd seen on
Western RR's, and there were chutes positioned over the hatches of the
reefers - and the guys on the platform had wheel barrows with what seemed
to be crushed or broken ice rather than block ice to put in these chutes -
blocks (unless quite small) wouldn't have fit. The whole operation was
quite unlike that which I was more accustomed to seeing.
Isn't that upper deck a salt deck, and the wheelbarrow loads salt?

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2942 Linden Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Tank Car ID Help Needed

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Thomas Baker wrote:
It's hard to be certain, but do I detect friction-bearing trucks on the tank car?
No, no. They are solid-bearing trucks. All trucks sustain friction.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2942 Linden Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: reefer question

Andy Sperandeo <asperandeo@...>
 

Hi Bob,

That Maybrook story is in the January '05 "Trains," not that other publisher's offering. The guys on the upper deck of that icing platform are handling carts of salt, and using the light-colored chute to mix salt with the ice in the SRLX reefer's bunkers. Salt wasn't ordinarily used with produce, but its use with meat shipments was pretty common.

If I can give my colleagues down the hall a pat on the back, I appreciated that story a lot. I've known about Maybrook's one-time importance as a gateway to New England, but never really knew much about its layout or traffic as covered in J.W. Swanberg's story.

Happy holidays,

Andy

Andy Sperandeo
Executive Editor
MODEL RAILROADER Magazine
262-796-8776, ext. 461
Fax 262-796-1142
asperandeo@...


Re: reefer question

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Bill Lane wrote:
I have been wondering about this for a while. I have seen a cutaway of an
average wood reefer. I am wondering why the large ice blocks don't crash
straight through the floor when dropped from icing platform to charging the
icing bunker?
You are identifying the exact reason that the large blocks (300 pounds) were NOT, repeat NOT, dropped into the bunkers, but were chopped to sizes around a watermelon or cantaloupe at the largest. Modelers who show an icing deck crew shoving 300-pounders right into he car obviously haven't done their research. This is covered in detail in the PFE book.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2942 Linden Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


1942-42 color Yard photos (Jack Delano)

Bruce Smith <smithbf@...>
 

Folks,

Many of you are probably aware of this resource, but I was reminded
just this week of how wonderful it is. That is the collection of Jack
Delano photos in the Library of Congress. In particular, there are a
series of color photos from the WWII era that are wonderful examples of
the color and weathering patterns of cars of this era. The sea of
brown/red, with a few yellow/orange reefers, and just a couple of white
cars is a remarkable confirmation of what we expect in this era.

http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/fsac/1a34000/1a34800/1a34810v.jpg
http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/fsac/1a34000/1a34800/1a34811v.jpg
C. M. St. P. & P. R.R., general view of part of the yard, Bensenville,
Ill., 1943 May

http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/fsac/1a34000/1a34600/1a34660v.jpg
General view of part of the Proviso yard of the Chicago and
Northwestern railroad, Chicago, Ill., 1943 April or May - note the C&NW
explosives cars with the "X" on the doors in the second row, and the
PRR X29 a number of rows back coupled to the NP SS autocar.

http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/fsac/1a34000/1a34700/1a34787v.jpg
llinois Central R.R., freight cars at the South Water Street freight
terminal, Chicago, Ill., 1943 April - note car in front (B&O M-26?)

http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/fsac/1a34000/1a34600/1a34632v.jpg -
WEOX (red?) 2 dome tank car
Proviso (?) yard, C & N RR., Chicago, Ill., 1942 Dec.

Regards
Bruce

Bruce F. Smith
Auburn, AL
http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu/~smithbf/

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