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Re: WP 50 DD ss box to 40 DD ss box conversion
Benjamin Hom <b.hom@...>
Charlie Vlk asked:
"A neat conversion. How close is it to what prototype(s)?" It's closest to the WAB radial roof SS automobile boxcars. It scales out about 1' too long and ~4-6" too high. The number of roof carlines will be correct but are slightly off in spacing. The MDC doors are 6'-6'; the Wabash cars look to be 5'-6' or 5'-7'. The end door is a decent match to the WAB cars; the A end will have to be replaced with a 3/3/3 Dreadnaught end (the Tyco 50 ft plug door boxcar is one source!) or 5/5/6 Murphy end. See George Drake's article in the November/December 1980 Mainline Modeler for more information on the Wabash cars. "The same conversion could be done in N with the Walthers car." If the N scale Walthers car is the same as the HO car, it has a peaked roof vice the radial roof. I'm not sure what prototypes would match. Ben Hom |
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building craftsman kits
Mike Barone <mike_barone@...>
Gentlemen:
I'm reposlting this note as it appears that my computor did not send it last week. While I've been on the group for a couple of months I haven't written in before so I'm still fairly knew to it. Some of the comments under "building craftsman kits" have prompted to note some of my experiences. First: in regard to heating resin kit parts to flatten them be very carefull. I recently tried to flatten a resin passenger car roof the was very slightly bowed, about 1/16", in the middle. I put it into oven on a plate glass surface and set at 150 degrees. The treatment didn't flatten the roof as the temperature was too low. It was however high enough to shrink it 1/8". The car now has a new wood roof. If at all possible avoid heating the resin parts to flatten them. I find that once the part is attached to other parts it will be straight, if not, internal bracing is better. Second: I would suggest even more caution in regard to using toaster ovens flatten or bake paint as your model will be a matter of an inche or two from the elements where the localized temperature could be high enough to melt solder. In a regular oven the model or parts will be some distance form the elements so the temperature will be much more even and considerable lower. Mike Barone |
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Re: bulk flour loading
That rats would ignore the boxcar while flour is available on the ground, is puzzling. Perhaps it is the same reason that they ignore all the food present on land, and scurry to get aboard ships destined to go to sea. - HankRats are very intelligent creatures. Some have even been elected to high office. |
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Re: bulk flour loading
hanel29@...
That rats would ignore the boxcar while flour is available on the ground, is puzzling. Perhaps it is the same reason that they ignore all the food present on land, and scurry to get aboard ships destined to go to sea. - Hank
-------------- Original message from Bud Rindfleisch <BlackDiamondRR@...>: -------------- Hello, Tim O. mentioned cars used for bulk flour loading not being used for other purposes, that is most likely correct. The part about vermin and rats crawling in the cars seems a little farfetched. The rats I saw were on the ground, why would they try to climb into the car when it was plentiful on the ground? Shortly after my brief stint on the BCK I worked as a yard clerk for the LV, whose yard was close to the BCK and along with the EL was a co-owner of the BCK. In the LV's Tifft yard was a track known as the "cooper track" which is where these 40' boxcars got placed for cleaning out of leftover flour. That area was teeming with rats and I had to throw pieces of ballast ahead of me at night to scatter the rats before I got there. Had to walk the yards to get car numbers in this pre computer era. Never heard of rat droppings in Cheerios but I have heard stories about some awful gross ingredients in hot dogs, ketchup, etc. Bud Rindfleisch Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/STMFC/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: STMFC-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. |
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Re: Single-Compartment GATC Airslide Hopper Kits
Schuyler Larrabee
-----Original Message-----I have one of those too. It's the only evidence I have that there was ever one of these cars lettered for the railroad which was the result of the merger of the ERIE and DL&W. Can't mention that railroad on this list, I don't think. Doesn't exist yet. SGL |
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Re: Wabash to the B&O at Decatur
There is really no way to tell from the list, where the
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cars originated. Wabash could have picked them up either at Council Bluffs or Kansas City, or even somewhere else. And of course, since they are listed over several days, there could be multiple paths. At Kansas City, cars could have arrived via the UP or via the Rock Island. Potatoes were grown in very large quantities in California, so the presence of spuds does not automatically mean they came from Idaho. A question that interests me, personally, is whether the list dates from after the time when the B&O gave up control of the Chicago & Alton. Before giving up control, B&O probably would prefer to take delivery from the Alton rather than from one of the Alton's competitors... Thanks for posting this. Very interesting. Any idea |
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Re: AAR 70 ton Flat Car
Rich, I was looking for HO scale. I plan on ordering a Sunshine kit.
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Brian Carlson Rich Yoder <oscale48@...> wrote: What scale model are you looking for? Richard Yoder
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Re: Station Symbol Additions
Richard Hendrickson
John Golden writes:
Some additions to your excellent station symbol list:Thanks for the additions, John. As for FAD, most of the entries in the list are based on photographic evidence, but it isn't always easy to make out the stenciling on the cars in the photos, and it is sometimes the case that a car was reweighed off-line. Variations in lettering style may make this obvious, but not always. If we just all keep chipping away at it, we'll eventually resolve most of the anomalies and fill in most of the blanks. Richard H. Hendrickson Ashland, Oregon 97520 |
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Re: AAR 70 ton Flat Car
What scale model are you looking for?
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From: "prrk41361" <prrk41361@...> To: <STMFC@...> Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 12:31 AM Subject: [STMFC] AAR 70 ton Flat Car What are the visual differences between the AAR 70 ton introduced in the early 1940's and the AAR 50 ton flat introduced at the same time. Can the LL P2k 50 ton flat be used as a resonable stand-in for the 70 ton car? Has anyone done this? |
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Station Symbol Additions
golden1014
Mr. Brewer,
Some additions to your excellent station symbol list: 1. EMR on the ACL is Emerson Shops (Rocky Mount, NC) 2. Add SAV for Savannah to the SAL table 3. I've never heard of "FAD" on the Seaboard. Perhaps we misread some letters? John John Golden O'Fallon, IL Message: 9 Date: 19 Jan 2005 20:29:21 -0000 From: STMFC Subject: New file uploaded to STMFC Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the STMFC group. File : /Station & Reweigh Symbols.xls Uploaded by : jamesfbrewer <jfbrewer@...> Description : Reweigh & Station Symbols You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/STMFC/files/Station%20%26%20Reweigh%20Symbols.xls To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, jamesfbrewer <jfbrewer@...> ===== John Golden O'Fallon, IL http://www.pbase.com/golden1014 |
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Re: CP minibox kitbash
Benjamin Hom <b.hom@...>
Phil Buchwald wrote:
"Here's the part that ties this into the MDC 50ft car string: I've got three of these cars, one of them is to try to cobble up a CP "minibox", using the roof from the MDC car. I'd like to use the ends from a Red Caboose X29, if they are compatible. Same number of corrugations.... (I don't like the quality of the F&C minibox end castings.)" The Red Caboose X29 ends will work - they match up well with the MDC radial roof. You'll have to file down the top rib to match the CP end and possibly have to add styrene to the top of the roof to match the curve of the MDC roof. Walt Lankenau wrote: "I had once started to kitbash a batch of CP miniboxes using the Santa Fe steel reefer by C&BT Shops as a starting point. The Intermountain Santa Fe reefer shell might be an even better starting point, also having the reverse Dreadnaught end. Overall, the Santa Fe reefer body is quite close to the CP box dimensionally, and the door is even the right size (therefore, so are the body panels). I don't remember which roof I intended to use; maybe the Central Valley NP stock car roof." Sounds like a good use for the old C&BT kits, which have been largely superceded by the Intermountain cars. (The detail sprues were crap anyway, so they're no real loss.) The CV NP stockcar roof doesn't match the prototype Hutchins radial roof; again, you can harvest one from the MDC 50 ft SS automobile boxcar. Ben Hom |
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Re: "Boraxo" Covered Hoppers
Shawn Beckert
Sam,
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Thanks very much for the information. It looks like this car can't be done then, without kitbashing the roof to get the hatch spacing right. Sounds like an opportunity for another "aftermarket" part to be made. Shawn Beckert
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From: sentto-2554753-37678-1106180341-shawn.beckert=disney.com@.... yahoo.com [mailto:sentto-2554753-37678-1106180341-shawn.beckert=disney.com@returns .groups.yahoo.com]On Behalf Of mail@... Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 3:17 PM To: STMFC@... Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: "Boraxo" Covered Hoppers Hello Shawn Becket, Bobs' Photo has a photo of NAHX #31060 with the large Boraxo paint scheme. S-Helper did this car in "S" scale but unfortunately used the wrong body style. The car has the 1954-56 channel end ribs and the early less common narrow hatch spacing with the notched hatch straps. Because of the narrow hatch spacing we will not be doing this car in the near future, or maybe even the distance future. Sam Clarke Kadee Quality Products ----- Original Message ----- From: "Beckert, Shawn" <shawn.beckert@...> To: <STMFC@...> Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 3:43 PM Subject: [STMFC] Re: "Boraxo" Covered Hoppers
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Re: bulk flour loading
Brian Termunde
Some, who have probably even seen a steam era freight car (in order to remain
at least partially within boundaries) or two have even been reelected ;< Take Care! Brian R. Termunde West Jordan, Utah "Ship and Travel the Grand Canyon Line!" Grand Canyon Railway Utah District In a message dated 1/19/2005 9:57:47 PM Mountain Standard Time, timboconnor@... writes: That rats would ignore the boxcar while flour is available on the ground, ispuzzling. Perhaps it is the same reason that they ignore all the food present on land, and scurry to get aboard ships destined to go to sea. - Hank Rats are very intelligent creatures. Some have even been elected to high office. |
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Re: Wabash to the B&O at Decatur
jaley <jaley@...>
Mike,
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UP to Omaha / CoB seems like the logical routing for the spuds. For the other vegetables, I wonder whether they came from northern or southern California. If the latter, I wonder if they came via SP / CRI&P to Kansas City, and then to WAB. Regards, -Jeff
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Re: "Boraxo" Covered Hoppers
Shawn Beckert
Brian Carlson wrote:
Atlas did a PS-2 in this version and I think a photoIIRC Atlas did do this paint and lettering scheme, but I'd much prefer having it on a Kadee PS-2 rather than the Atlas car. Fortunately Champion makes decals for this car; the problem is *which* Kadee car to use. There are different versions, with the ribs and roof hatches being different on each one. This is why I'd like to have a good photo - not that I'd ever find one showing roof details... Shawn Beckert |
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Re: "Boraxo" Covered Hoppers
Atlas did a PS-2 in this version and I think a photo of one appeared in a PS-2 article in RMJ back when the Atlas and/or KAdee cars came out.
either here, Pullman-Standard 70-ton PS-2 Two-Bay Covered Hoppers from Atlas or MDC kits Railmodel Journal, April 1995 page 4 or Pullman-Standard PS-2 two-bay covered hoppers from Kadee models Railmodel Journal, December 2003 page 11 I bet Bob's photo's has this car also. Brian J Carlson "Beckert, Shawn" <shawn.beckert@...> wrote: List, Does anyone know of a source for photographs of "Boraxo" covered hoppers? They would be in lease markings with "BORAXO" billboard lettering.I don't need a scan, just want to know who might have them for sale. Thanks, Shawn Beckert --------------------------------- Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/STMFC/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: STMFC-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' |
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Re: "Boraxo" Covered Hoppers
SamClarke
Hello Shawn Becket,
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Bobs' Photo has a photo of NAHX #31060 with the large Boraxo paint scheme. S-Helper did this car in "S" scale but unfortunately used the wrong body style. The car has the 1954-56 channel end ribs and the early less common narrow hatch spacing with the notched hatch straps. Because of the narrow hatch spacing we will not be doing this car in the near future, or maybe even the distance future. Sam Clarke Kadee Quality Products
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Re: Single-Compartment GATC Airslide Hopper Kits
Doug Brown <brown194@...>
I have an old Con-Cor kit with mostly wood components. It does have
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preprinted sheet plastic sides. I think the address was in Chicago proper. Doug Brown
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From: Tim O'Connor [mailto:timboconnor@...] Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 2:13 PM To: STMFC@... Subject: Re: [STMFC] Single-Compartment GATC Airslide Hopper Kits Shawn, a long time ago I took a good look at the kits from Concor, ECW, and Walthers, as well as Overland brass models. I posted the results somewhere or other on the FCL or STMFC, I forget where... I do recall I concluded that (1) all of the models are flawed and (2) the Concor model was the best one to use, given the various tradeoffs. Avoid the Walthers model, it is the worst of the bunch. Tim O. Who besides Eastern Car Works made the single-compartment Yahoo! Groups Links |
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Re: Wabash to the B&O at Decatur
Michael Aufderheide
Chet,
Thanks for posting this. Very interesting. Any idea how these were routed. UP to Council Bluffs? Were these cars part of block dropped at Decatur from a train going through to the east? Regards, Mike Aufderheide --- Chet French <cfrench@...> wrote:
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"Boraxo" Covered Hoppers
Shawn Beckert
List,
Does anyone know of a source for photographs of "Boraxo" covered hoppers? They would be in lease markings with "BORAXO" billboard lettering.I don't need a scan, just want to know who might have them for sale. Thanks, Shawn Beckert |
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