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Re: Central of Georgia 1937 1-1/2 door 40' boxcar
Richard Hendrickson
Rich Yoder asks:
DId any other RR had the same car 1-1/2 door car?No. Those cars were unique to the C of Ga. Richard H. Hendrickson Ashland, Oregon 97520 |
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Re: ATSF & other car id help
Benjamin Hom <b.hom@...>
Rob Kirkham asked:
"The two cars I would like to identify to the extent its possible are the ATSF car (second car back of the engine), and hopefully some guesses regarding the box car 5 back, just ahead of the Dominion/fowler car. " Scott Pitzer responded: "For the one ahead of the Dominion car, I see...ILLINOIS CENTRAL on the left above the reporting marks and MAINLINE OF MID-AMERICA on the right side." It's extremely difficult to tell whether or not this car is a pre-war or post-war car as not enough of the end is visible and the door details are non-existent. The most likely possibilities are: - Pre-war car: IC Modified 1937 AAR boxcar, 10' 4" IH, both square corner and round corner variations. See table at http://www.steamfreightcars.com/prototype/frtcars/mod37aarpdfmain.html for specific information. To model this car, use the Intermountain Modified 1937 AAR boxcar kit, plus Sunshine mini-kit MK.10B for those cars with square corner ends. - Post-war car: Most likely IC 27000-27499, 10' 6" IH, 6 ft Youngstown doors, Universal hand brake, Morton running boards, ASF A-3 Ride Control trucks. Ben Hom |
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Re: ATSF & other car id help
George Hollwedel <georgeloop1338@...>
certainly looks like a Bx-57 class PS-1, looks lok a five digit road number starting wit a 3 and looks to be a 10' 6" tall car.
Rob Kirkham <rdkirkham@...> wrote: I've loaded up another poor quality scan. Look for the name "id Santa Fe 1952" at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/STMFPH/files/. The scan shows a train moving east (near Eisenhower junction) on the CPR mainline in November 1952. The two cars I would like to identify to the extent its possible are the ATSF car (second car back of the engine), and hopefully some guesses regarding the box car 5 back, just ahead of the Dominion/fowler car. Regarding the ATSF car, I am assuming this is a post war car? I'd appreciate the car number series if that is possible with so little information. And if it can be had, modelling information. Thanks in advance Rob Kirkham Yahoo! Groups Links George Hollwedel Prototype N Scale Models georgeloop@... 310 Loma Verde Street Buda, TX 78610-9785 512-796-6883 --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term' |
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Re: Central of Georgia 1937 1-1/2 door 40' boxcar
DId any other RR had the same car 1-1/2 door car?
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Rich ----- Original Message -----
From: "Brett Whelan" <brettwhelan@...> To: <STMFC@...> Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 3:07 PM Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Central of Georgia 1937 1-1/2 door 40' boxcar Yes Pieter it is an excellent article, it inspired me |
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Re: Box Car Populations/Frt Train Consists
Rich Ramik <rjramik@...>
I would like to inject this thought. All of this discussion is fascinating
and indeed educational. This information, correct me if I'm wrong, is being analyzed to understand fleet population, movement, etc. The one thing that I have not seen discussed is the effect of the sales departments would have, could have, or should have had on the population of boxcar fleets. This could be one of the deltas (or we used to call the WTFs) that has skewed some of data being examined, i.e., SP boxcars over Sherman Hill or the L&N boxcars heading west. It has been my experience in business that the sales folks could and did have a large impact on whether or not "I reached my forecasted revenue stream." Even for the stodgy railroad industry a good salesman or sales office could have an impact on the population of boxcars within a given geographic region. Finishing this line of thought, this would have had an impact on the general availability of boxcars particularly for online usage. This idea (active regional sales offices) may account for the results and should possibly be considered in the equation. For What It's Worth, Rich Ramik _____ From: Eric Hiser [mailto:ehiser@...] Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2005 12:47 AM To: STMFC@... Subject: RE: [STMFC] Box Car Populations/Frt Train Consists Although I hesitate to venture in where others are (wisely) choosing not to go, it would seem to me that both Brock/Groff and the Gilbert/Nelson hypotheses have some very useful aspects. 1) Gilbert/Nelson is useful in thinking about the total population of cars that "should" traverse the total railroad being modeled and is thus a better than random way to address the proper mix of foreign power on the road; 2) Brock/Groff is useful in thinking about the particular consist anticipated for a specific train or category of trains (e.g., peddler freight, bridge through, etc.). The corollary would seem to be that while individual trains should be selected using the Brock/Groff hypotheses (e.g., where did it come from/where is it going, what do the wheel reports tell us?), the cars used to fill the trains should be selected from the Gilbert/Nelson "pool" and, if enough of the trains on the road were modeled, the Brock/Groff and Gilbert/Nelson hypotheses should tend to converge. That said, thanks to those of you on the list that suggested some resources for the 1880s-1930s period. Very helpful! Eric Hiser Phoenix, AZ |
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Greg Martin
Sorry folks. The first post was sent by accident with out me signing the
post and without some other necessary information as follows... I received from a friend the following... Rod Loder has organized an SP modelers meet in Salem Oregon for May 13 and 14 2005. One day of modeler's meet,including clinics, model contest, slide presentations, vendors swap meet etc. and the second day is a all-day excursion behind SD9s on the rugged Tillamook branch. For more info and registration forms go to... www.espeeinoregon.com And snipped from their website... Southern Pacific Prototype Meet May 13th, 9 am - 5 PM Oregon State Fairgrounds, Salem, Oregon Featuring modeling, clinics, slide shows, manufacturers, publishers and former Southern Pacific employees. Also, you may wish to rent a table and display to show your favorite Espee topics, plans, layout or modeling projects. Bring your Espee models for the Popular Vote Contest with prizes from various vendors! Registration by April 1st - $12.50. With table, $20.00. Extra tables $10.00. Registration after April 1st - $15.00. With table, $25.00. Extra tables $10.00. ***The website also details the trip to Tillamook and I will likely be taking that as well. I do have an interest in SP so I will be there and hope to see more of you all there as well... Please spread the news and again hope to see you all there... Greg Martin |
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ATSF & other car id help
Rob Kirkham <rdkirkham@...>
Thanks Scott
Rob Kirkham |
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ATSF & other car id help
Rob Kirkham <rdkirkham@...>
Thanks Richard.
Rob Kirkham |
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SP Modeling Meet in Salem, OR
Greg Martin
Rod Loder has organized an SP modelers meet in Salem Oregon for May 13 and
14 2005. One day of modeler's meet,including clinics, model contest, slide presentations, vendors swap meet etc. and the second day is a all-day excursion behind SD9s on the rugged Tillamook branch. For more info and registration forms go to... www.espeeinoregon.com |
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Re: ATSF & other car id help
Richard Hendrickson
Rob Kirkham writes:
I've loaded up another poor quality scan. Look for the name "id Santa FeNo, the door is a prewar Youngstown corrugated door, and the side sill configuration identifies the car as Bx-34 class with Duryea cushion underframe. I'd appreciate the car number series if that is possible with so little139500-141300, built by Pullman-Standard in 1940. 1248 cars were delivered with ASF self-aligning spring-plankless trucks, the other 538 with National B-1s. There's no way to decipher a car number from the dots that compose the image Rob posted, but the car has obviously been recently repainted in the post-1947 lettering style with the "Ship and Travel..." slogan replacing the orginal system map on the right side. No way to tell which of the four "name train" slogans was on the opposite side. The bodies of the Bx-34s were 1941 AAR revised standard with 10'4" IH, so the cars can be modeled with an Intermountain box car kit by replacing the AAR underframe with a Duryea underframe. Richard H. Hendrickson Ashland, Oregon 97520 |
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Re: ATSF & other car id help
Scott Pitzer
For the one ahead of the Dominion car, I see: IC!
I see ILLINOIS CENTRAL on the left above the reporting marks and MAINLINE OF MID-AMERICA on the right side. |
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Re: 1932 Box Car Ends
Richard Hendrickson
From Phil Buchwald:
Also, I was told that the DW ends are meant to replace the ends onBoth statements are essentially true. Regarding the relationship of the PFE R-40-10 class to the 1932 AAR box car, see Thompson, et. al. p. 161. Richard H. Hendrickson Ashland, Oregon 97520 |
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ATSF & other car id help
Rob Kirkham <rdkirkham@...>
I've loaded up another poor quality scan. Look for the name "id Santa Fe 1952" at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/STMFPH/files/. The scan shows a train moving east (near Eisenhower junction) on the CPR mainline in November 1952. The two cars I would like to identify to the extent its possible are the ATSF car (second car back of the engine), and hopefully some guesses regarding the box car 5 back, just ahead of the Dominion/fowler car.
Regarding the ATSF car, I am assuming this is a post war car? I'd appreciate the car number series if that is possible with so little information. And if it can be had, modelling information. Thanks in advance Rob Kirkham |
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1932 Box Car Ends
buchwaldfam <duff@...>
Group,
I just put a dial caliper on a Details West (DW-1000/DW-1001) Dreadnaught end and compared it to a Branchline IDE. Interestingly, the scale width difference between the two is 5.79" The inside width difference between the 1932 ARA and the later AAR cars was 5". In HO, 0.79" scales out to 0.009" Now, my hair is getting a little thin, but even so, when I set the calipers to 0.009", I can't slide a hair through the blades. It looks like these are close enough for a kit bash. The height is a little short (about 2.88"), but it is easier to add a little than to split an end down the middle and take out 5 scale inches. Has anyone else tried these ends for a 1932 ARA car? They come in both square and W corner post. Also, I was told that the DW ends are meant to replace the ends on the old Athearn steel side reefers, which are models of the PFE reefers. Were the prototype cars based on the 1932 design? Regards, Phil Buchwald |
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Re: SOU PS-2 Covered Hoppers
mike turner <yardcoolieyahoo@...>
Yes. Kadee is building a good reputation building accurate models and giving correct information. At least with me.
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If Kadee is not going to do the narrow spaced hatches (and they did not say either way), does anyone know a source of Kadee roofs and/or hatches? I scanned their parts lists and did not see a candiate. Cutting and transplanting a few hatches should occupy a few hours. :) Mike Turner Simpsonville, SC GCRDS@... wrote: In a message dated 2/16/2005 1:21:23 PM Mountain Standard Time, yardcoolieyahoo@... writes: |
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black iron wire
ed_mines
I've been using black iron wire 14 mils in diameter (30 gage?)to
replace grab irons. I bought a spool of it for >$3 from McMaster Carr. It's a little too large in diameter but it's black as midnight. It looks particularly good as grab irons on reefers. I don't know how it paints. I've tried without success to find similar wire in smaller diameter. This wire is very soft, comparable to the horrible green florists' wire found in older kits. Ed |
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Re: double stirrup steps and Blacken-It
Richard Hendrickson
Dean Payne writes:
...since I replaced the supplied ladders with wire grabs, I amDean, I routinely blacken brass wire parts with Blacken-It and have never found it necessary to chemically etch the brass beforehand; Blacken-It itself functions as a chemical etch. If the parts are sandblasted first, so much the better. In fact, paint hangs on to sandblasted surfaces like grim death and will not come off with normal handling even if you don't use a chemical blackener. Bite the bullet, buy yourself an abrasive gun, and cobble up a spray booth from second-hand materials or cheap particle board to keep the abrasive powder contained. Once you've used one, you'll wonder how you ever got along without it. (I'm assuming you already have an air brush and air compressor, since it's almost impossible to do serious modeling without one.) I routinely sandblast all models before painting. The myth that you can't sandblast styrene or resin is just that - a myth. Most paints don't adhere any better to shiny plastic than to shiny metal; light sandblasting with fine abrasive provides a "toothy" finish for excellent paint adherance without damaging details. Richard H. Hendrickson Ashland, Oregon 97520 |
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Re: double stirrup steps and Blacken-It
Schuyler Larrabee
I have vinegar-etched metal parts prior to using Blacken-it. You get a really
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nice rich black finish, at least on brass. You have to clearcoat this RIGHT AWAY, because it will rub off on your fingers. Once that's done, it is fairly tough, but it will eventually rub off on the wear points, if you handle/wrap/transport your models. The only way I know of to truly prevent that is to have them plated. The vinegar-etching is pretty essential. Otherwise you won't get an even finish. You can strengthen the etching by dissolving salt into the vinegar until you get a saturated solution (solid salt remains in the bottom of the bottle) to get an acid. I forget, but I think this is hydrochloric acid, but not all that strong. Wear gloves, though, because your hangnails will announce themselves quite stridently. And mark the bottle, you don't want that vinegar in your salad! SGL -----Original Message----- |
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double stirrup steps and Blacken-It
Dean Payne <deanpayne@...>
I am finishing up my kitbash of a 1920's Newburgh and South Shore GS
gondola based on a Red Caboose kit (with plate ends). I am in need of long, double run stirrup steps (sill steps). Tichy has 3045, which appear to be too short, perhaps, but Des Plaines has DPH2001, which might be better. Are these the only sources of non-offset double sill steps? Are the Des Plaines steps any different from the Tichy steps, or are they dimensionally similar? Also, since I replaced the supplied ladders with wire grabs, I am wondering if you have experience with using Blacken-It to turn the wire grabs black. I would hope this would prevent the common problem of paint wearing/chipping off and showing a glint of brass on a black model. I have heard of etching the brass by soaking it in vinegar, and blasting it with abrasive. The cheapest abrasive blaster I know about is the Paasche Air Eraser at $40, which might be more than I want to spend right now. Of course, you can use it to blast truck side frames as well, etc, so you get more versatility. Vinegar is even cheaper than Blacken-it, so I am trying that as a start. I could use Blacken-it over the vinegar "etching", of course. Dean Payne |
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Re: FS: 1933 Moody's
armprem
I have a 1926 Moodys that I will let go for an even hundred.Armand Premo
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From: "Dave Nelson" <muskoka@...> To: "STMFC" <STMFC@...> Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2005 12:54 PM Subject: [STMFC] FS: 1933 Moody's Securities. NY: Moody's Investors Service, 1933 No Jacket. 1st Edition. 2148 pages. Ofvery few markings -- Library paste down on front endpaper, small library stampon title page, and a few library markings on page following title page,library markings on spine. Covers show some wear at edges, corners bumped, spineat top torn down about 1". Very good, original green cloth. (084) (Keywords:the book is US$ 150.00 Please reference the seller's book # 002612 when |
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