Brian,

You should be able to model one of these welded cars
with 15' double doors:

doors
-------------------------------------------------
SN series 2401- 2500 blt 1955 PS lot 8268 SU 6p
WP series 3801- 3818 blt 1954 PS lot 8213 IY
WP series 3838- 3862 blt 1955 PS lot 8267 IY
WP series 3965- 3989 blt 1960 PS PS
WP series 19301-19400 blt 1955 PS lot 8238 IY
WP series 19401-19450 blt 1955 PS lot 8267 IY
WP series 19601-19700 blt 1956 PS
WP series 35101-35182 blt 1954 PS lot 8213
WP series 35201-35300 blt 1955 PS lot 8239 IY
WP series 35301-35325 blt 1955 PS lot 8267 IY
WP series 35326-35425 blt 1955 PS lot 8268 IY
WP series 35501-35625 blt 1957 PS

Note some were renumbered in the 1960's. I don't know
what era you're modeling.

http://www.mugii.com/john/Pictures/SE_Iowa_1970s/wrnx%20tank%2011427%20(gulf).jpg

While the date of the photo - supposedly April 1970 - is
beyond the time limit of this list, the point is that it
shows a steam-era tank car pretty much in an "as-built"
condition many decades after it was built.

Shawn, I would guess the car is 12 to 16 years old in 1970.
I have Ed's ACF books but I don't feel like looking it up...

Thanks Tim,
Darn I was hoping to model one using the IM 50' car which has welded sides.

Brian J carlson
Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

WP series 35001-35100 built 1954 Pullman Std lot 8183b

Riveted sides, Improved Youngstown doors (7+8 or 8+7 I'm not
sure which), Type 2 sills (see Kadee website for explanation)
Mainline Modeler July 1993 pp.29-34, photo WP 35045.

(Lot 8183a was riveted single door cars for Rock Island.)

I'm looking for information on the above cars. The only information I
have comes from the Westerfield 1955 ORER. They are 50', 10'-6"
interior height cars. Thanks

Brian J. Carlson

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I just loaded it into paint shop pro and manipulated the image a bit. You're
right in that it is 72421

Pete

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From: Spen Kellogg [mailto:spenkell@...]
Sent: Monday, November 15, 2004 8:42 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Any guess on the number of this Erie box car?

Tim O'Connor wrote:

http://www.mugii.com/john/Pictures/SE_Iowa_1970s/CB&Q%20box%2025039.jpg

 

Tim,

It looks like 72421, although I'm less sure of the last digit.

Regards, Spen Kellogg

Tim O'Connor wrote:

http://www.mugii.com/john/Pictures/SE_Iowa_1970s/CB&Q%20box%2025039.jpg

Tim,

It looks like 72421, although I'm less sure of the last digit.

Regards, Spen Kellogg

On Nov 15, 2004, at 3:03 PM, proto48er wrote:

Does anyone know of another source for good photos (other than those
in the SP Freight Cars book) for the SP S-40-4 and T&NO S-40-5 stock
cars?  Did the S-40-4 cars have the single I-beam style of Bettendorf
underframe when built?  Did they keep this I-beam centersill into the
1950's, or were they rebuilt to a more modern centersill in the
1930's?  Inquiring minds want to know!  It seems that these S-40-4
stock cars must have been the last freight cars with the single I-
beam Bettendorf centersill in the late 1940's.

I would recommend a copy of SP Freight Cars Vol. 1 from Signature Press
by Tony Thompson. www.signaturepress.com.

Regards,
Ted Culotta

List,

Here's a photo of WRNX 11427, found lurking amongst a
host of other images discovered by Tim O'Connor:

http://www.mugii.com/john/Pictures/SE_Iowa_1970s/wrnx%20tank%2011427%20(gulf).jpg


While the date of the photo - supposedly April 1970 - is
beyond the time limit of this list, the point is that it
shows a steam-era tank car pretty much in an "as-built"
condition many decades after it was built. Note that there
is no dome platform - I had thought most if not all tank
cars of this vintage had received full platforms by this
late period. Too bad the photo is blurred; I'd like to
know the built-date on this car.

Shawn Beckert

Does anyone know of another source for good photos (other than those
in the SP Freight Cars book) for the SP S-40-4 and T&NO S-40-5 stock
cars? Did the S-40-4 cars have the single I-beam style of Bettendorf
underframe when built? Did they keep this I-beam centersill into the
1950's, or were they rebuilt to a more modern centersill in the
1930's? Inquiring minds want to know! It seems that these S-40-4
stock cars must have been the last freight cars with the single I-
beam Bettendorf centersill in the late 1940's.

Thank you very much for your help. The T&NO S-40-5's are
particularly camera-shy also. A.T. Kott

On Nov 15, 2004, at 1:46 PM, Mike Aufderheide wrote:

Group,

I'm building a pair of Funaro's kit for these gondolas.  My question
is that the numbers shown on
the box photograph and supplied on the decal sheets show a 399xxx
number.  Refering to the NYC
freight car website (recently mentioned here) showed that this series
were actually cars which
were built new as all steel in 1926.  Accordinng to the site the
gondolas which were the original
USRA cars were in the 658000-659999 series (in 8 lots).  It seems to
me that the correct number
should be the 658000-659000.  True?

They were renumbered into the following when rebuilt with steel sides:
379-G; NYC 349000-349499 (DB) to NYC 658000-658499 (DB) or NYC
623000-623499 (FB)
381-G; MC 12000-12199 (DB) to NYC 659000-659199 (DB) or NYC
624000-624199 (FB)
389-G; NYC 349500-349749 (DB) to NYC 658500-658749 (DB) or NYC
623500-623749 (FB)
398-G; MC 12200-12399 (DB) to NYC 659200-659399 (DB) or NYC
624200-624399 (FB)
399-G; MC 12400-12599 (DB) to NYC 659400-659599 (DB) or NYC
624400-624599 (FB)
400-G; MC 12600-12799 (DB) to NYC 659600-659799 (DB) or NYC
624600-624799 (FB)
401-G; MC 12800-12999 (DB) to NYC 659800-659999 (DB) or NYC
624800-624999 (FB)
403-G; NYC 349750-349999 (DB) to NYC 658750-658999 (DB) or NYC
623750-623999 (FB)

Cars were converted to flat bottom when their floors were due for
"renewal" (NYCS term).

Also---these cars are also listed with two different number series:

658000-659999(DB)
623000-624999(FB)

What does the FB & DB mean?

Drop and flat bottom.

Regards,
Ted Culotta

I don't know about the NYC in general, but the Boston & Albany (a part of the NYC system) had a class CA-5 caboose, many of which had no cupola. One hundred and fifty six were built in 1919 in the number series B&A 1117-1299 with some (?) renumbered into the NYC 17000 series (not sure when or how many). Forty eight of the 156 did not have cupolas according to an outline drawing dated 14 Feb 1950. These were wood, steel underframe cabooses with no truss rods. See "Caboose Data Book No 1A, Cabooses of the New Haven and New York Central Railroads" published by N.J. International in 1989. Hope this helps.
Norm Larkin

Group,

I'm building a pair of Funaro's kit for these gondolas. My question is that the numbers shown on
the box photograph and supplied on the decal sheets show a 399xxx number. Refering to the NYC
freight car website (recently mentioned here) showed that this series were actually cars which
were built new as all steel in 1926. Accordinng to the site the gondolas which were the original
USRA cars were in the 658000-659999 series (in 8 lots). It seems to me that the correct number
should be the 658000-659000. True?

Also---these cars are also listed with two different number series:

658000-659999(DB)
623000-624999(FB)

What does the FB & DB mean?

Thanks for your help.

Mike



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Does anyone know if the NYC had a non-cupola version caboose in the
1930's?

Charles,

Can you please contact me off-list when you get this?

Thanks,

Shawn Beckert

Tim O'Connor wrote:

Tony, why apologize for Ed? To each his own; live and let live;
wherever you go, there you are; and so on.

I wasn't apologizing for Ed--I agree with your perspective, Tim. I was kind of apologizing for all of us, not that many of us are at all likely to change.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2942 Linden Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history

72421


regards,

Andy Miller

On Nov 15, 2004, at 11:30 AM, Tim O'Connor wrote:

http://www.mugii.com/john/Pictures/SE_Iowa_1970s/CB&Q%20box%2025039.jpg

Tim:

It looks like 72421, but the original series is probably 97000 or 97500 built in 1929. The auxiliary door has been removed and plated over to create a box car with a 6 ft. door opening.

Regards,
Ted Culotta

The Santa Fe began equipping cabooses (and cab diesels) with radios in 1949. The ATSF never used a "radio equipped" logo, but it did add the letter "R" following the road number of radio-equipped cabooses.

So long,

Andy

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Hi All,

I would like to thank all who have replied to my requests. It is sincerely
appreciated. I have enough info now to do the car.

I don't know how some of you do it. I have been a member of the PRR T&HS
since 1990. I have been studying mostly PRR rolling stock for almost as long
trying to have at least a walking knowledge of what was acceptable and
correct.

Many of you on this list know more then me about the PRR and MANY roads. It
does amaze me at times. The computer and internet sure have helped in
getting the info though.

Thank You,
Bill Lane

Custom Brass Painting
http://www.lanestrains.com

Importing a Brass S Scale PRR X29
http://www.pennsysmodels.com
Production models of the REA Version have arrived

Modeling the Mighty Pennsy in S Scale in 1957

Larry Kline wrote:
"FYI there is a complete NYC Freight Car Diagram book on George
Ellwood's Fallen Flags web site."

Terry Link also has NYC freight car diagrams cross indexed by lot
and car numbers at
http://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/NYC-MODELS-FREIGHT.htm


Ben Hom