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Re: Intermountain George Railroad Single Sheathed

Richard Dermody <ddermody@...>
 


I just saw the new Intermountain George Railroad Single Sheathed car. Can
anyone comment on its prototypical accuracy.
Steve,

Look in Classic Freight Cars, Vol 1, page 39, same car number.

Dick


Re: Intermountain George Railroad Single Sheathed

Richard Hendrickson
 

Steve Sandifer asks:

I just saw the new Intermountain George Railroad Single Sheathed car. Can
anyone comment on its prototypical accuracy.
http://www.walthers.com/exec/productinfo/85-452602
Steve, these are Tichy kits which InterMountain sends to China for
assembly, painting, and lettering. The prototype crs were USRA 50 ton
composite box cars built during WW I which the Georgia RR rebuilt with
single steel sheathed sides and corrugated steel doors in the late 1930s
and early '40s. The model is mostly correct but the roof is wrong. Tichy
puts the original USRA roof in the kits but the rebuilt Georgia RR cars had
either Zenith (similar to Hutchins) roofs or home made welded steel roofs.
You're better off building the Tichy kit yourself, putting on a correct
roof, and doing your own painting and lettering. Also, before/during/after
WW II most of these cars were painted aluminum with black lettering; the
models represent the mineral red paint applied to the early (ca. 1936-'38)
rebuilds and to all of the cars in the 1950s.

Richard H. Hendrickson
Ashland, Oregon 97520


Intermountain George Railroad Single Sheathed

Steve Sandifer <jssand@...>
 

I just saw the new Intermountain George Railroad Single Sheathed car. Can anyone comment on its prototypical accuracy.
http://www.walthers.com/exec/productinfo/85-452602

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ADMIN: Moderate Jail

Mike Brock <brockm@...>
 

I guess it's time to make it clear to the members that group policy does not include criticizing manufacturers. Criticizing products of a manufacturer...or praising...is entirely within scope. We've been over this several times before and the result of generally taking issue with a manufacturer does not provide meaningful and useful results. Again, analysis of a product is useful...to both the buyer and the seller.

I would again suggest that members should pay particular attention to the mandate that discussion of software subjects...unless directly tied to a frt car issue...is out of scope. Some seem to ignore warnings about out of scope subjects. One moderate citation was handed out today and a member has been placed in moderate jail because of failure to follow very public warnings.

The subject matter for this group is clearly defined in the group rules:

"Members are permitted to criticize or praise manufacturer's products free
from criticism from other members. Criticism of a manufacturer's business practices is, however, not within the scope of the group.

ALL SUBJECTS OTHER THAN THOSE DIRECTLY ASSOCIATED WITH STEAM ERA FREIGHT
CARS ARE PROHIBITED FROM MEMBER MESSAGES. Thus, all
admin, security, or "policing" functions will be conducted only by myself or
my representatives. Warnings about virus activity is strictly
prohibited. Threads or subjects may be terminated only by myself or my
representatives. When threads/subjects are terminated, members are expected
to avoid sending messages associated with such threads/subjects."

Mike Brock
STMFC Owner


Re: Mainline Modelers Freight cars vol 1

James F. Brewer <jfbrewer@...>
 

I checked my Volume 1 and Volume 2...neither include this car.

Jim Brewer
Glenwood MD

----- Original Message -----
From: "Lynn Finch" <lmfin@...>
To: <STMFC@...>
Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2004 7:49 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Mainline Modelers Freight cars vol 1



Does anyone know if Mainline Modelers best of freight cars, Vol 1 includes
the B&O M53 wagon top boxcars?
Lynn










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Re: ADMIN: Moderate Jail

Greg Martin
 

But wha' we want ta know is how long ya gonna keep 'em in Jail Sheriff and is
dere gonna be a lynchin' #^)

Greg "Festus" Martin


Re: Domion car

Rob Kirkham <rdkirkham@...>
 

Let me be clear about my point Allen. I understand from reading your e-mail sent to another list that the dimensions used on this car - prototype and model - are as follows:

Comparing the model dimensions to the dimensions of the
Prototype car, as depicted on Canadian Car and Foundry
drawing H320, which is a manufacturing drawing of a typical
Fowler car produces the following result:

Top of Rail to Bottom of Side Sill
CC&F Prototype: 40.25 in. Hobbcraft: 40 in.

Top of Rail to Top of Running Board
CC&F Prototype: 160.5 in. Hobbycraft: 161 in.

Bottom of Side Sill to Roof Eave
CC&F Prototype: 102.188 in. Hobbycraft: 102 in.

My own measurements (not precise) agree with those numbers. They also match the drawings in Mainline Modeller from June 1985 as close as I can read them with a scale rule. So there is a lot that is right about the model.

Which is why I wrote "looks like it rides too high on the trucks". Its the relative relationship between the two components that is the concern. I suspect it was introduced to accomodate NMRA flanges, but that's just a guess.

I just laid my model over the Mainline Modeller drawings and the difference appears to be that on the prototype the top edge of the sideframes of the trucks sit at a height from the rail head that is 2 or 3 inches above the bottom of the bolsters. On the model, the top edge of the truck side frames sit approximately level with the bottom of the bolsters. Further, on the MM drawings, the top of the truck wheels appears to be higher from rail head than the bottom of the steel centre sill. Not so on the model.

Maybe its an illusion - could it be that the steel centre sill does not sit the right height above the tracks? On the drawing it looks like the centre sill bottom should be about 10 inches lower than the bottom of the side sill. On the model it looks about 4 inches. Maybe that is the problem?

Happy to hear from anyone who can tell me how to get this model looking "right".



Rob Kirkham

----- Original Message -----
From: Alan C. Welch
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2004 9:00 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Domion car - (was Too rich for me)


At 06:04 PM 10/21/2004 -0700, you wrote:

>I've purchased a "Domion car" - if you are referring to the new model out
>from Life Like Canadian HobbyCraft.
>
>
> - the car looks like it rides to high on the trucks -
>
>Rob Kirkham

You may feel that this is the situation, but it is not.

Al Welch


Re: Replicating lettering streaking down the carside

Tim O'Connor
 

In addition to washes and chalks, you can use an airbrush with a
paper "mask". For letters cut an opening the width of the letter
and hold it so the letter is exposed but above the letter is masked.
Hit the edges of the paper with diluted white (or whatever color).
(In other words aim the airbrush at the paper, not at the model.)
Experiment with it to learn how to get sharp edges / fuzzy edges /
uniform streaks / streaks that fade from top to bottom / etc. A
set of artist's pencils (or the chalk pencil Greg mentioned) is
great to have in your toolbox. You can highlight individual rivets
with rust, accentuate seams, darken door tracks and tack boards,
etc. I like "French Grey" for chalk marks because white is really
too bright except for marks that are five minutes old. Good pencils
are pigment-based and are not changed by clear overcoats.

Once you get good control with airbrushing, you can just use Post-It's
or index cards as masks. Now I make masks for special cases, mostly.

I've got a couple of cars that are completed, painted, decaled and
oversealed. When I get ready to weather these I want to replicate the
downward streaking of lettering paint I see in some photos. Does
anyone have a technique they are happy with and are willing to share?

TIA,

Walter M. Clark
Time stopped in November 1941
Riverside, California


Re: Mainline Modelers Freight cars vol 1

jimbojk2003
 

--- In STMFC@..., "Lynn Finch" <lmfin@c...> wrote:
Does anyone know if Mainline Modelers best of freight cars, Vol 1
includes
the B&O M53 wagon top boxcars?
Lynn
It does not;however,there is an excellent article on B&O wagontops
in the no.9 issue of Railway Prototype Cyclopedia.
Regards,Jim Cummings


NS 1947 10-6 40' boxcar #27088

Andy Carlson
 

Anyone on this list desiring a low res JPEG of this
NS boxcar, with a reweigh date of 1-1957, send me an
off-list email requesting this color view.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA < midcentury@... >


Re: Mainline Modelers Freight cars vol 1

Rob Adams
 

Lynn;
The copy I have does not.

Kind regards, Rob Adams


Lynn Finch wrote:

Does anyone know if Mainline Modelers best of freight cars, Vol 1 includes
the B&O M53 wagon top boxcars?
Lynn







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Re: Domion car - (was Too rich for me)

Andy Carlson
 

Al,
being a Canadian expert, can you comment on Byron
Rose's observations of these cars he made to you last
year at Naperville???
Thanks,
-Andy Carlson



--- "Alan C. Welch" <acwelch@...> wrote:

- the car looks like it rides to high on the
trucks -

Rob Kirkham
You may feel that this is the situation, but it is
not.

Al Welch



Mainline Modelers Freight cars vol 1

w2msj
 

Does anyone know if Mainline Modelers best of freight cars, Vol 1 includes
the B&O M53 wagon top boxcars?
Lynn


Re: F&C Web Page is online

Brian Paul Ehni <behni@...>
 

Which is exactly why I gave their webmaster a polite rely, telling him what
behavior I saw on the site.
--
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From: "Rev. Bob 'Bob' Crispen" <revbob@...>
Organization: http://www.crispen.org/
Reply-To: <STMFC@...>
Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 17:41:59 -0500
To: <STMFC@...>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] F&C Web Page is online


The voices are telling me Brian Paul Ehni said on 10/23/2004 4:51 PM:

Then you shouldn't go to Walthers, either. Or a lot of places, I expect.

http://validator.w3.org/check?verbose=1&uri=http%3A//www.walthers.com
Well yeah, but since Walthers never actually *has* anything, it's
pointless warning them off of there.

;-)

Actually, F&C got screwed. They deserve our pity, not our censure.
--
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bob at crispen dot org
Ex Cathedra Weblog: http://blog.crispen.org/

Flexibility has its virtues. No one was more decisive than George
Armstrong Custer and the last thing that went through his mind was
an arrow. -- after Argus Hamilton


Re: Replicating lettering streaking down the carside _MY METHOD

Milepost 131 <mp131@...>
 

This seems to work well for me...

I use acrylic paint. I match the color of the lettering. I apply small drops
or a "line" to the actual point on the letter and then I pull a dry cloth in
the direction of the streak. (Let's face it you're really streaking paint.)

If I want it more faint I dampen the rag first.

The less paint and the more the streak will come to a fine point.

I'm doing it in N scale so it shoul,d work even better for you big guys.


Gordon Andrews

-----Original Message-----
From: Tim O'Connor [mailto:timboconnor@...]
Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2004 7:45 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Replicating lettering streaking down the carside



In addition to washes and chalks, you can use an airbrush with a paper
"mask". For letters cut an opening the width of the letter and hold it so
the letter is exposed but above the letter is masked. Hit the edges of the
paper with diluted white (or whatever color). (In other words aim the
airbrush at the paper, not at the model.) Experiment with it to learn how to
get sharp edges / fuzzy edges / uniform streaks / streaks that fade from top
to bottom / etc. A set of artist's pencils (or the chalk pencil Greg
mentioned) is great to have in your toolbox. You can highlight individual
rivets with rust, accentuate seams, darken door tracks and tack boards, etc.
I like "French Grey" for chalk marks because white is really too bright
except for marks that are five minutes old. Good pencils are pigment-based
and are not changed by clear overcoats.

Once you get good control with airbrushing, you can just use Post-It's or
index cards as masks. Now I make masks for special cases, mostly.


I've got a couple of cars that are completed, painted, decaled and
oversealed. When I get ready to weather these I want to replicate the
downward streaking of lettering paint I see in some photos. Does
anyone have a technique they are happy with and are willing to share?

TIA,

Walter M. Clark
Time stopped in November 1941
Riverside, California



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Re: Produce Lists and consists

Roger Hinman <rhinman@...>
 

Not an easy thing to look up right away but I'll put it on my list as I go through these and let you know if I find anything


Roger H.

On Oct 23, 2004, at 11:24 AM, Andy Laurent wrote:



I'm interested to see if there are any WRX or AW refrigerator cars in that mix. The AW cars would be in the 3000 series and would show up from 1947-1952. I have a photo of one of these "home road" cars in New Jersey, so I'm interested to see if it was hauling condensed milk or cherries as intended, or if it got commandeered for other service, as I expect, after its first eastward run.

Andy

Ahnapee & Western


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Re: F&C Web Page is online

Rev. Bob 'Bob' Crispen
 

The voices are telling me Brian Paul Ehni said on 10/23/2004 4:51 PM:

Then you shouldn't go to Walthers, either. Or a lot of places, I expect.
http://validator.w3.org/check?verbose=1&uri=http%3A//www.walthers.com
Well yeah, but since Walthers never actually *has* anything, it's pointless warning them off of there.

;-)

Actually, F&C got screwed. They deserve our pity, not our censure.
--
Rev. Bob "Bob" Crispen
bob at crispen dot org
Ex Cathedra Weblog: http://blog.crispen.org/

Flexibility has its virtues. No one was more decisive than George
Armstrong Custer and the last thing that went through his mind was
an arrow. -- after Argus Hamilton


Re: F&C Web Page is online

Brian Paul Ehni <behni@...>
 

Then you shouldn't go to Walthers, either. Or a lot of places, I expect.

http://validator.w3.org/check?verbose=1&uri=http%3A//www.walthers.com
--
Brian Ehni

From: "Rev. Bob 'Bob' Crispen" <revbob@...>
Organization: http://www.crispen.org/
Reply-To: <STMFC@...>
Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 16:06:36 -0500
To: <STMFC@...>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] F&C Web Page is online


The voices are telling me Jeff Lodge said on 10/19/2004 8:19 PM:

After way too long - 20 months - the Funaro and Camerlengo web site
is up and running. It can be found at www.fandckits.com
It's traditional when people announce new websites for me to play the
part of the grinch and note how the site doesn't validate:
<http://validator.w3.org/check?verbose=1&uri=http%3A//www.fandckits.com/>

However, this goes beyond the usual warnings! NOBODY should visit this
website!

At least until I've got those covered hopper kits safely in my workshop.
Then you can visit the site.

I'll let you know.

;-)
--
Rev. Bob "Bob" Crispen
bob at crispen dot org
Ex Cathedra Weblog: http://blog.crispen.org/

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Re: Replicating lettering streaking down the carside

Gary Laakso <glaaks0@...>
 

Where does one look for Bragdon's supplies?

----- Original Message -----
From: <RUTLANDRS@...>
To: <STMFC@...>
Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2004 3:30 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Replicating lettering streaking down the carside



Walt,
I've had good luck simply using chalks. I'm about to start trying
Bragdon's weathering system which looks like but isn't chalks.
Chuck Hladik
Rutland Railroad
Virginia Division








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Re: F&C Web Page is online

Rev. Bob 'Bob' Crispen
 

The voices are telling me Jeff Lodge said on 10/19/2004 8:19 PM:

After way too long - 20 months - the Funaro and Camerlengo web site is up and running. It can be found at www.fandckits.com
It's traditional when people announce new websites for me to play the part of the grinch and note how the site doesn't validate:
<http://validator.w3.org/check?verbose=1&uri=http%3A//www.fandckits.com/>

However, this goes beyond the usual warnings! NOBODY should visit this website!

At least until I've got those covered hopper kits safely in my workshop. Then you can visit the site.

I'll let you know.

;-)
--
Rev. Bob "Bob" Crispen
bob at crispen dot org
Ex Cathedra Weblog: http://blog.crispen.org/

Flexibility has its virtues. No one was more decisive than George
Armstrong Custer and the last thing that went through his mind was
an arrow. -- after Argus Hamilton