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Re: a possible BIG change is Yahoo Groups
Garth Groff <ggg9y@...>
Friends,
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Since I receive all my e-mail through the University, if Yahoo imposes charges, I will be frozen out. Kind regards, Garth G. Groff Andy Harman wrote:
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Basic Skills
Rob Kirkham <rdkirkham@...>
I think this idea would be appealling - especially if at a B & B kind of
place - somewhere remote and scenic - but equipped with a great shop, with metal working equipment, stores of styrene and brass sheet and shapes, rivet modelling tools, etching equipment, CAD software equipped computers, drawings tables, maybe even lazer cutting tables, libraries of drawings, spray booths, freight car parts, etc, etc. The kind of place you could go with a project in mind, and with advance planning the friendly staff would ensure the materials required were in stock, and an instructer for the techniques required would be in attendance, & drawings were already in the computer ready to go, etc. So you could show up and scratch build something over the course of a couple of intense days and develop some skills and use equipment you might not be able to access at home. Rob Kirkham |
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Re: NC&StL boxcar alive and well in 2004
Brian J Carlson <brian@...>
The XM 32 cars had an outside length of 38' according the 1955 ORER. Numbered in series, 20,000-21,399. Garrett are you sure that the number series you posted originally is correct as it doesn't match my 1955 ORER or Freight Car Journal No. 63.
The NC&STL didn't always put class numbers on the sides of boxcars, some go XM_##, some just XM. I have never been able to determine a rhyme or reason to this practice. When used they appeared on the right side of the car near the bolster. BTW Freight Cars Journal No. 63 is very useful. Is the Society of Freight car Historians still around? Brian J Carlson P.E. Cheektowaga NY |
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Re: Casting Resins
Jim or Lisa Hayes <jim-and-lisa@...>
Sounds just like one of the early Sunshine kits #2.1 - 2.6 - "CNW, CMO, RI
steel side rebuilds of USRA double sheathed boxcars" originally issued in 1989 and discontinued long ago. My kit #2.2 is almost ready for paint.<G> Jim Hayes Portland OR I've got the patterns and molds done for a CNW/CMO steel side USRA- |
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Re: TAN Re: Basic Skills
Brian J Carlson <brian@...>
RPM meets often have seminars which provide basic skills for some topics, such as airbrushing, or resin casting.
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Brian J Carlson P.E. Cheektowaga NY
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From: Charlie Vlk To: STMFC@... Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 11:49 PM Subject: Re: TAN Re: [STMFC] Basic Skills I wasn't thinking of LHS classes (if yours has enough space for a classroom they are blessed) but rather a get away with the wife and have a little vacation sort of thing..... Yes, many quilt stores offer classes as an adjunct to their retail sales, but I was thinking of something more independent and not associated with a hobby shop. Charlie Vlk Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/STMFC/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: STMFC-unsubscribe@... c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. |
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Re: TAN Re: Basic Skills
Charlie Vlk
I wasn't thinking of LHS classes (if yours has enough space for a classroom
they are blessed) but rather a get away with the wife and have a little vacation sort of thing..... Yes, many quilt stores offer classes as an adjunct to their retail sales, but I was thinking of something more independent and not associated with a hobby shop. Charlie Vlk |
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Casting Resins
buchwaldfam <buchwaldfam@...>
I've got the patterns and molds done for a CNW/CMO steel side USRA
rebuilt box car. I plan on making several of these, therefore the molds. OK, so now I'm about ready to pour resin. I've got some clear polyester casting resin from the local craft store. I'm going to make a couple of pours to see how the molds work. Question: Is there any problem with going ahead and using this clear resin for the "real" models? I've got an ancient Roller Bearing Models box car kit which is clear resin. The paint has blistered and peeled from the castings. Question: If the clear resin is not good, what is a recommended casting resin? I think it was mentioned here that the stuff that Micro-Mark sells isn't so hot. (???) I'd like something flexible such as the "styro-eurathane" resin that the professionals use, but is that stuff safe for home use and available in quantities appropriate for, say a half dozen models? Thanks in advance, Phil Buchwald |
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Re: Freight cars for brewery late 40's to early 50's
buchwaldfam <buchwaldfam@...>
The Milwaukee Road Historical Society has a book in print
titled, "The Beer Line". The subject is the "north end" operations in Milwaukee. I believe that this would include Blatz and Pabst, as Miller was over on 35th street. Also, Kalmbach's "The Milwaukee Road in its Hometown" has a couple of good photos of the Beer Line operations. Lots of box cars of grain being unloaded, and many reefers outbound full of beer. Regards, Phil Buchwald --- In STMFC@..., "wahlford" <wahlford@m...> wrote: What type of cars would one typically find at a brewery in thepost WWII era? What would they haul? Would reefers need to be icedfor this service and would the brewery ice their own cars?in Jax Brewery in New Orleans.much like an icing dock. Was missing from 1960 Sanborn Map. |
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Re: NC&StL boxcar alive and well in 2004
buchwaldfam <buchwaldfam@...>
OK, so here's the first question. At the risk of seeming too lazy to
look it up myself (I paged through my magazine pile and came up with some photos, but no "XM class #'s"), how long is this car? I've got some broad side views of both 36' and 40' NC&StL cars, but none show any sort of end view and none talk "class". Thanks for the great end shots! Regards, Phil Buchwald --- In STMFC@..., "Garrett W. Rea" <Garrett.Rea@w...> wrote: All:rebuilt MX-32 boxcar that is located in here in Tennessee:Gypsum running boards and a wood brake step. Some also had Murphy endsmore.
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Re: TAN Re: Basic Skills
Ted Culotta <tculotta@...>
On Sep 5, 2004, at 6:53 PM, englishintroy wrote:
The difference of course is that quilters come to learn to quilt andSo this begs the question, is there is big "ready-to-sleep" movement sweeping the ranks of quilting and ruining the hobby? Running with my tongue in cheek, Ted Culotta |
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Re: a possible BIG change is Yahoo Groups
Jeff English
--- In STMFC@..., Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@c...> wrote:
<snip> inspiring.Also, the talk about "reduced ads" is not very confidence back up toReduced means "temporarily reduced", and they will keep creeping I don't mind Yahoo's practice of placing advertsing that shows up informer levels. "No ads" is the only thing worth paying for. its own column on the right side of the page where I'm reading the message. As somebody else pointed out, this is, after all, no different from ignoring a column of advertising that is of no interest in a magazine. What bothers me a lot is the separate web page ad that I have to click to get by, which is especially annoying for those of us who are still on dial-up. Jeff English Troy, New York |
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TAN Re: Basic Skills
Jeff English
--- In STMFC@..., smithbf@v... wrote:
<snip> Indeed, the local quilt shop in Montgomery AL has about 1/3 of itssquare footage devoted to a classroom, and there are classes every weekor so, and sometimes multiple classes on one day. Of course, the ownergets a great "bounce" from the class, since all the tools, fabrics,patterns and books are right out front.The difference of course is that quilters come to learn to quilt and to make a quilt they have to buy the materials which are the shop's bread-and-butter, whereas the hobby shop's bread-and-butter (i.e. product of volume times profit margin) is not kits or styrene strips but all the R-T-R cars and locomotives we love to hate. Secondarily, the hobby is so broad that the number of individuals interested in learning actual model building skills is small compared to the sum of interest in all the other skills also involved (planning, electrical/DCC, scenery techniques, operating practices, etc.) Jeff English Troy, New York |
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WPM: Western Prototype Modelers Meet, October 10, 2004
Timothy Costello
STMFC List:
Here's info on WPM, the Western Prototype Modelers Meet being held on Sunday October 10, 2004 in LaHabra (LA), CA. The west coast's longest running and largest gathering for Prototype Modelers now includes extended display hours, exhibitors and an expanded clinic/seminar program! Model Display: WPM has 4000 sq. ft. of display space for layouts, dioramas and models. New for 2004, models will now be displayed on elevated tables. Last years WPM event featured over 400 models on display. WPM 2004 will feature both an N scale and an HO scale Free-mo operating modular layouts. Bring your modeling projects, finished, or "in the works". Share ideas & techniques with fellow modelers; meet new friends. Clinics/Seminars: WPM 2004 will expand the programming focused on prototype modeling David Casdorph: International intermodal containers Mark T. Evans: History of, and modeling coil steel cars Elden Gatwood: The steel industry in your modeling Dave Hussey: Modeling Santa Fe F-Units from the Highliners kit Mike Rose: Modeling the GE U18B Bob Smaus: Kitbashing buildings for added realism Exhibitors: New for 2004 will be exhibitors: manufacturers, photographers and publishers. (Exhibitors: pre-registration is required, contact WPM at the address below.) Historical Societies: WPM will offer free display space to promote your historical society. Contact WPM below for display information. La Habra Community Center: 101 W. La Habra Blvd. La Habra CA WPM Meet admission: $15.00, or $12.00 if you bring a model(s) to display. Model display area opens 9:00am, Seminars run from 10:00am until 5:00pm, followed by the famous WPM raffle. This year's event has been extended by two hours and runs through 7pm! Updated info on speakers, program & schedule: www.WesternPrototypeModelers.org Write: info@... or call Tim Costello at 714-832-8696 |
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Re: a possible BIG change is Yahoo Groups
Andy, answering the survey is the only way to get your
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message through, as Bill Lane said when he brought up this subject. Tell Yahoo how you feel, and what you think is worth a fee, and what isn't. Also, the talk about "reduced ads" is not very confidence inspiring. |
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Re: WPM: Western Prototype Modelers Meet, October 10, 2004
eabracher@...
In a message dated 9/5/04 7:08:04 PM, tgcostello2@... writes:
models will now be displayed on elevated tables.I am curious. How do you elevate the tables. We tried that and found them to be wobbly. eric |
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TAN Re: Basic Skills
smithbf@...
Charlie says:
My wife is a QuilterHey, I resemble that remark! and they go to weekend and some week long retreats tothere would be any interest in a week long seminar on Model Railroading run inIndeed, the local quilt shop in Montgomery AL has about 1/3 of its square footage devoted to a classroom, and there are classes every week or so, and sometimes multiple classes on one day. Of course, the owner gets a great "bounce" from the class, since all the tools, fabrics, patterns and books are right out front. The was a train shop right accross the street, whose owner continuously complained about not being able to sell kits. I suggested starting some classes to him, and he was interested, but he's gone now (moved to be with family) the hobby shop is closed and the quilt shop is going strong. So strong in fact that Tami has offered to set up classes for interested spouses during the 2005 Southeastern Region (SER) convention. So here's a "model"... rather than a week long retreat, offer to run a 2-3 hour course at the LHS in "building P2K kits" or some other subject near and dear. Start slow, since building flat kits of resin covered hoppers may be beyond a lot of the audience, but suck 'em in. This doesn't need NMRA support. It just needs one person willing to teach and a LHS with a desire to alter the business model. Regards Bruce Bruce Smith Auburn, AL |
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Mike Brock and our Florida Friends
kenedmier@...
I know this is off-topic. but please keep Mike and our Florida friends in
your prayers. I know they must be on-edge not knowing what they are going to find when they get home this week. Let's pray that all are safe and their homes (and layouts) are all fine. Thanks, Ken Edmier |
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Re: Seminar (was: "skills to pay the bills")
Garrett W. Rea <Garrett.Rea@...>
--- In STMFC@..., "Charlie Vlk" <cvlk@c...> wrote:
I often wondered if there would beAs long as there is not the "obligatory" swap meet with guys selling T-Shirts & Tyco, where do I sign? Garrett Rea Nashville, TN |
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Re: a possible BIG change is Yahoo Groups
pullmanboss <tgmadden@...>
--- In STMFC@..., Andy Harman <andy10@g...> wrote:
At 03:08 PM 9/4/2004 -0700, you wrote:is that onThe problem I see with paying for Yahoo groups (as a subscriber) day one, you can kiss 50% of your membership goodbye. That greatlyfor. inspiring. Reduced means "temporarily reduced", and they will keep creepingback up to former levels. "No ads" is the only thing worth paying for.When the Passenger Car List moved to eGroups the List Owner could pay a modest fee (I think it was $35 or $50) to have the group completely ad-free for 12 months. That seemed reasonable, so I immediately paid it. Yahoo absorbed eGroups a few months later and honored eGroups policies until the 12 months ran out, but would not let me renew. I haven't looked at the questionaire yet but would have no problem paying a similar fee on behalf of the PCL. I have ad-blocker software so don't see the Yahoo ads. Still have to click <Continue> to get to the messages when reading them on the web site, but the ads aren't there. That's the conundrum - we want all this great stuff for free, then block the ads that support the "free" stuff. I'm not a big Yahoo booster, but it's not a charity. Tom Madden |
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Re: Freight cars for brewery late 40's to early 50's
Norman+Laraine Larkin <lono@...>
Back sometime in the 1980s, Mike Schafer published a Kalmbach book on track plans that included a brief history of the Milwaukee Road's Beer Line. The article was detailed enough to give an overall picture of operations, and it included a table of cars used by breweries by product and era. Not sure if the info is currently available from Kalmbach, but in summary for late 40s-early 50s:
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Inbound 1)Malt, Barley, rice 40' wood 40' steel boxcars 2)Hops 40' wood 40' steel reefers 3)Corn Grits ------------ 40' steel box 4)coal 40'wood/steel 40' steel hopper 5)oil 40' tank car 40' tank car 6)New bottles, caps, 40' wood box 40'/50' steel box and kegs 7)Cans 40' wood box --trucks-- 8)Reuseable kegs and bottles To brewery in cars that shipped beer to wholesaler -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Outbound 1)Beer 40' wood reefers/box cars 40'steel reefers/box cars 2)Spent grain 40' wood box car 40' wood/steel box car 3)Crushed cans 40' gondolas 40' gondolas 4) Cullet (crushed glass0 40' hoppers 40'hoppers Hope this helps Norm Larkin
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From: Armand Premo To: STMFC@... Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2004 10:52 PM Subject: Re: [STMFC] Freight cars for brewery late 40's to early 50's SLRX shipped Bud.A ----- Original Message ----- From: <smithbf@...> To: <STMFC@...> Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2004 10:25 PM Subject: Re: [STMFC] Freight cars for brewery late 40's to early 50's > Michael asks: > > > > What type of cars would one typically find at a brewery in the post > > WWII era? What would they haul? Would reefers need to be iced for > > this service and would the brewery ice their own cars? > > Michael, > > Having just spent the afternoon helping my better half through her first > all-grain brew (a Belgian ale) I feel I must comment. The concept that > beer must be shipped and stored cold is a figment of a more modern > marketing man's imagination. While it is true that lager beer should be > handled chilled, the vast majority of beer consumed in the post WWII years > would have been ales (or fermented with Ale yeast, such as porters, stouts > and the like). These beers are fermented at room temperature, and are not > harmed by long term storage at room temperature. Indeed, the need to > "filter" beer is ALSO a modern marketing invention, as beer at that time > would have been bottle or keg primed, requiring live yeast and > fermentation to generate the needed CO2. > > Reefers may well have been the car of choice to ship beer, but they were > most often being used as an insulated boxcar. The idea was to protect the > beer from temperature fluctuations and not to refrigerate the beer. In > fact, refrigerating the beer would have compounded distribution issues as > once chilled, beer should not be allowed to come back to room temperature > (hence the need to ship lagers chilled since they are fermented chilled). > > Having consumed a 2 year old, unfiltered, unpasteurized, unrefrigerated > Russian Imperial Stout (of my own brewing) this afternoon, I can happily > confirm that Real Beer does not have "born on dating" <VBG> > > Regards > Bruce > > Bruce Smith > Auburn, AL > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/STMFC/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: STMFC-unsubscribe@... c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. |
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